Gore just stated that he is voting for Clinton. WTF is going on here?!? lots of activity going on in the last 48hrs. Seems like they're trying to distract us from the real shit that's going down
Why would this surprise you? Who else would he vote for?
Why in the hell would you think that a Democrat announcing he is going to vote for the Democratic nominee is a distraction?
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I think that the WikiLeaks dump has taken away at least 25% of the Bernie supporters who were gonna hold their noses and vote for Hillary.
Three months to go, but I really don't think that this is something that the more idealistic Bernie backers will let go.
Some democrats might say that such a reaction is petulant or short-sighted, because everyone pretty much knew deep down that the DNC was juking the stats for Hillary. To have it confirmed, however, makes this bitter pill go down more like ipecac. The DNC fucked itself. Just dumb. I mean, how many times does someone have to hear "if you don't want it on the cover of the New York Times, then don't press send" before they get it?
Should be interesting to watch from the sidelines. I've got no horse in this race, maybe a slight nod to Trump -- but only because it would increase my chances of talking my wife into moving to Costa Rica, which will hopefully be far enough away from the fallout.
Not that my attitude about this is actually relevant, but FWIW, unless something truly shocking comes to light, which has not happened yet, this wikileak would not have an effect on me if I'd decided to hold my nose and vote Hillary. I haven't seen anything so far that I didn't already know or assume. This wouldn't make me any less frustrated about the rigged system... it's just that so far it's not news as far I'm concerned. There is a lot of reason for concern here, but they aren't new reasons IMO. I'm not really sure that simply seeing what we already knew or assumed in writing will have that huge an impact on voters. What will have an impact is how Hillary handles all of this.
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I think a lot of Democrats will come out and endorse/announce support for Secretary Clinton during the convention as she accepts the party's nomination. It didn't happen so much for the RNC (at least I didn't see it) because many in that party don't like their nominee.
Gore just stated that he is voting for Clinton. WTF is going on here?!? lots of activity going on in the last 48hrs. Seems like they're trying to distract us from the real shit that's going down
Why would this surprise you? Who else would he vote for?
Why in the hell would you think that a Democrat announcing he is going to vote for the Democratic nominee is a distraction?
As Kat said, it shouldn't be surprising to see prominent endorsements during convention time. The timing of this announcement could have been set long ago, or it could have been in the bag and waiting for the right time, and was used today to distract from the wikileaks stuff. I'm sure HRC's VP announcement was partly timing so that it could be locked in before the convention started, but it also immediately followed the end of the RNC convention and immediately shifted the focus away from the RNC convention. I'm sure the timing for most announcements coming out of the campaigns are calculated for maximum impact. I don't think there's anything sinister. You have limited opportunities to grab attention and make an impact, so you make sure that you not only have a strong message, but that the timing works in your favor.
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We are looking at two candidates with huge name recognition. In a change election if Hillary doesn't come out of the convention with at least a tie it will be hard to come back. The kitchen sink has pretty much been thrown at Trump already and he hasn't even spent a dime yet in the swing states.
Those poll numbers are surprising. Basically they reflect Trump picking up lower educated undecideds. If Hillary plays it right, she can swing them back her way.
I love everyone talking about the daily polls, like a horse race even. Of course she's going to swing back, that's the way this game is played. Drama is the main event people, so continue to eat it right up.
We are looking at two candidates with huge name recognition. In a change election if Hillary doesn't come out of the convention with at least a tie it will be hard to come back. The kitchen sink has pretty much been thrown at Trump already and he hasn't even spent a dime yet in the swing states.
Those poll numbers are surprising. Basically they reflect Trump picking up lower educated undecideds. If Hillary plays it right, she can swing them back her way.
I love your liberal elitist attitude; "Basically they reflect Trump picking up lower educated undecideds". So only the most educated are backing Trump?
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We are looking at two candidates with huge name recognition. In a change election if Hillary doesn't come out of the convention with at least a tie it will be hard to come back. The kitchen sink has pretty much been thrown at Trump already and he hasn't even spent a dime yet in the swing states.
Those poll numbers are surprising. Basically they reflect Trump picking up lower educated undecideds. If Hillary plays it right, she can swing them back her way.
I love your liberal elitist attitude; "Basically they reflect Trump picking up lower educated undecideds". So only the most educated are backing Trump?
I believe a poll today has Hillary with a 5 point lead among college educated whites. Would be the first time in a long time Dems carried that demographic.
The same poll has Trump with a 39 point lead among no college whites
We are looking at two candidates with huge name recognition. In a change election if Hillary doesn't come out of the convention with at least a tie it will be hard to come back. The kitchen sink has pretty much been thrown at Trump already and he hasn't even spent a dime yet in the swing states.
Those poll numbers are surprising. Basically they reflect Trump picking up lower educated undecideds. If Hillary plays it right, she can swing them back her way.
I love your liberal elitist attitude; "Basically they reflect Trump picking up lower educated undecideds". So only the most educated are backing Trump?
I believe a poll today has Hillary with a 5 point lead among college educated whites. Would be the first time in a long time Dems carried that demographic.
The same poll has Trump with a 39 point lead among no college whites
Trump is strong with the uninformed voter. There really isn't a nice way to say it.
Uninformed, under educated, incapable of separating fact from fiction.
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We are looking at two candidates with huge name recognition. In a change election if Hillary doesn't come out of the convention with at least a tie it will be hard to come back. The kitchen sink has pretty much been thrown at Trump already and he hasn't even spent a dime yet in the swing states.
Those poll numbers are surprising. Basically they reflect Trump picking up lower educated undecideds. If Hillary plays it right, she can swing them back her way.
I love your liberal elitist attitude; "Basically they reflect Trump picking up lower educated undecideds". So only the most educated are backing Trump?
I believe a poll today has Hillary with a 5 point lead among college educated whites. Would be the first time in a long time Dems carried that demographic.
The same poll has Trump with a 39 point lead among no college whites
Yup. I just highlighted info in the article and get told I have a "liberal elitist attitude".
We are looking at two candidates with huge name recognition. In a change election if Hillary doesn't come out of the convention with at least a tie it will be hard to come back. The kitchen sink has pretty much been thrown at Trump already and he hasn't even spent a dime yet in the swing states.
Those poll numbers are surprising. Basically they reflect Trump picking up lower educated undecideds. If Hillary plays it right, she can swing them back her way.
I love your liberal elitist attitude; "Basically they reflect Trump picking up lower educated undecideds". So only the most educated are backing Trump?
I believe a poll today has Hillary with a 5 point lead among college educated whites. Would be the first time in a long time Dems carried that demographic.
The same poll has Trump with a 39 point lead among no college whites
Yup. I just highlighted info in the article and get told I have a "liberal elitist attitude".
I apologize I misread the quote. I stand corrected, but I still will not vote for Hillary
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Gore just stated that he is voting for Clinton. WTF is going on here?!? lots of activity going on in the last 48hrs. Seems like they're trying to distract us from the real shit that's going down
Your funny did you think he would vote for Trump lol just like all the idiots in the GOP who will vote for Trump I would think they will all vote for him starting with the speaker ..
I don't know what makes one educated. High school diploma? College degree?
It's really about more educated vs. less educated. Trump supporters tend to be less educated. Non-voters tend to be less educated and poorer, so someone raised a good question as to whether current Trump supporters will bother to vote for him come election day at the same level the polls are suggesting.
I don't know what makes one educated. High school diploma? College degree?
It's really about more educated vs. less educated. Trump supporters tend to be less educated. Non-voters tend to be less educated and poorer, so someone raised a good question as to whether current Trump supporters will bother to vote for him come election day at the same level the polls are suggesting.
I'm still wondering whether the uneducated, poor people will actually make it to the polls come election day. Polls are typically done by phone or email, correct?
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I don't know what makes one educated. High school diploma? College degree?
It's really about more educated vs. less educated. Trump supporters tend to be less educated. Non-voters tend to be less educated and poorer, so someone raised a good question as to whether current Trump supporters will bother to vote for him come election day at the same level the polls are suggesting.
I'm still wondering whether the uneducated, poor people will actually make it to the polls come election day. Polls are typically done by phone or email, correct?
Sorry if I offend anyone by saying this, but I think "the left" is being really, really stupid and careless right now, and are on a real nice road to ensuring that Trump wins this thing (I guess I am being a parrot about this by now, but seriously, it's really annoying to watch). I hope they get a grip and acknowledge reality by election day.
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I think that the WikiLeaks dump has taken away at least 25% of the Bernie supporters who were gonna hold their noses and vote for Hillary.
Three months to go, but I really don't think that this is something that the more idealistic Bernie backers will let go.
Some democrats might say that such a reaction is petulant or short-sighted, because everyone pretty much knew deep down that the DNC was juking the stats for Hillary. To have it confirmed, however, makes this bitter pill go down more like ipecac. The DNC fucked itself. Just dumb. I mean, how many times does someone have to hear "if you don't want it on the cover of the New York Times, then don't press send" before they get it?
Should be interesting to watch from the sidelines. I've got no horse in this race, maybe a slight nod to Trump -- but only because it would increase my chances of talking my wife into moving to Costa Rica, which will hopefully be far enough away from the fallout.
I'm going to Costa Rica for the third time in January. Would love to get my family to move there as well. Great call irrespective of who wins.
Sorry if I offend anyone by saying this, but I think "the left" is being really, really stupid and careless right now, and are a real nice road to ensuring that Trump wins this thing (I guess I am being a parrot about this by now, but seriously, it's really annoying to watch). I hope they get a grip and acknowledge reality by election day.
Im with you. I am pretty sad that the Bernie bros are making the things asshats like Limbaugh say about liberals into a reality.
Sorry if I offend anyone by saying this, but I think "the left" is being really, really stupid and careless right now, and are a real nice road to ensuring that Trump wins this thing (I guess I am being a parrot about this by now, but seriously, it's really annoying to watch). I hope they get a grip and acknowledge reality by election day.
Im with you. I am pretty sad that the Bernie bros are making the things asshats like Limbaugh say about liberals into a reality.
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The same poll has Trump with a 39 point lead among no college whites
Uninformed, under educated, incapable of separating fact from fiction.
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we will find a way, we will find our place
we will find a way, we will find our place
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we will find a way, we will find our place
lol j/k
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