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"Hillary Clinton: She'll say anything and change nothing." -Barack Obama 2008

mrussel1

Free said:

"Hillary Clinton: She'll say anything and change nothing." -Barack Obama 2008

Got it!

Gern Blansten

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/watch-fox-news-brit-hume-cant-believe-trump-is-already-whining-about-rigged-polls/

“They certainly liked [polls] all during the primary season when he was leading, and he couldn’t stop talking about them,” Hume told Fox News’ Martha McCullum. “Now the polls are adverse to him, and that one in particular he doesn’t like. And I’m sure his supporters, the ones I hear from anyway say that the poll is rigged, and all the rest of it.”

Hume also looked at the current polling averages, and said that Trump and his supporters are blind to reality if they think he’s winning at this point.

“Not a single poll that I’ve seen going back more than a month, has shown Donald Trump ahead,” he said. “There were a couple back in May, about mid-May, in which he was ahead by a couple of points, but nothing since then, which shows that he has not been gaining ground over the past month, or six weeks and she has at least to some extent.”

Gern Blansten

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/285921-clinton-has-79-percent-chance-of-winning-presidency

Nate Silver weighs in...

"We're kind of at halftime of the election right now, and she's taking a seven-point, maybe 10-point lead into halftime," Nate Silver, founder of the site, told ABC's "Good Morning America" on Wednesday.
"There's a lot of football left to be played, but she's ahead in almost every poll, every swing state, every national poll."

Clinton, the presumptive Democratic nominee, leads Trump by six points in a RealClearPolitics average of polls. She led Trump in all 18 national polls conducted so far in June that RCP logged.

"Both have a lot of room to grow ... but the last candidate to blow a lead this large was in '88 when Dukakis had a big lead coming out of the spring and summer and wound up losing of course to Bush," Silver said.

"One big lesson of this campaign is don't try to outthink the polls. Don't try to outthink the American public. Trump has never been ahead of Clinton in the general election campaign," he added.

"He did a great job of appealing to the 40 percent of the GOP he had to win in the primary, but that's a lot different that winning 51 percent of 100 percent."

Gern Blansten

Big leads in OH, FL and PA....that's big. The margin will only grow I believe.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/285920-poll-clinton-tops-trump-in-2016-battlegrounds

Clinton up 46-37 in Ohio. Now Trumpenstein will either need to completely pivot or he'll make the bad decision to double down and get increasingly nasty. I'm guessing the latter.

mrussel1

Gern Blansten said:

Big leads in OH, FL and PA....that's big. The margin will only grow I believe.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/285920-poll-clinton-tops-trump-in-2016-battlegrounds

Clinton up 46-37 in Ohio. Now Trumpenstein will either need to completely pivot or he'll make the bad decision to double down and get increasingly nasty. I'm guessing the latter.

I saw that this morning. I feel like these polls are a little over stated and probably over sample democrats. By contrast, the other poll mentioned earlier probably over samples Republicans. They've consistently had the race closer. I always believe in looking at the aggregates of the polls for the overall story:
HRC is probably generally up by 5-7 points
She probably has strong leads in FL, VA. Moderate lead in MI, tighter race in PA and OH. I'm not sure she is winning NC. I think that's a tossup. Here is the chart from Ballotpedia referenced by the Hill

Gern Blansten

Yeah it's really hard to determine which poll to pay attention to. That's why I start to turn to Nate Silver (538 blog) to interpret based on his model.

mrussel1

Gern Blansten said:

Yeah it's really hard to determine which poll to pay attention to. That's why I start to turn to Nate Silver (538 blog) to interpret based on his model.

Exactly. And he has 80/20 for Clinton right now.

PJfanwillneverleave1

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Yeah it's really hard to determine which poll to pay attention to. That's why I start to turn to Nate Silver (538 blog) to interpret based on his model.

Exactly. And he has 80/20 for Clinton right now.

Remember polls only mean something if you want them to.
Don't try to outthink polls.

mrussel1

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Yeah it's really hard to determine which poll to pay attention to. That's why I start to turn to Nate Silver (538 blog) to interpret based on his model.

Exactly. And he has 80/20 for Clinton right now.

Remember polls only mean something if you want them to.
Don't try to outthink polls.

You completely missed the point of him stating "don't out think the polls". You are confusing out think with 'overthink'.

mrussel1

Okay, so I'm an advocate of Tim Kaine in general. He was governor of my beautiful state, mayor of my city and now my Senator. I've met him a few times in the Richmond airport and at a restaurant and found him quite engaging. That being said, Politico has a pretty tough piece on him regarding him being too centrist for Bernie supporters. It's a thoughtful piece, as much as I wish it were not true. I'm curious what the hard core libs on this site think about TK. I'm more of a moderate, particularly on economic issues.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/hillary-clinton-2016-vp-pick-tim-kaine-213997

Gern Blansten

mrussel1 said:

Okay, so I'm an advocate of Tim Kaine in general. He was governor of my beautiful state, mayor of my city and now my Senator. I've met him a few times in the Richmond airport and at a restaurant and found him quite engaging. That being said, Politico has a pretty tough piece on him regarding him being too centrist for Bernie supporters. It's a thoughtful piece, as much as I wish it were not true. I'm curious what the hard core libs on this site think about TK. I'm more of a moderate, particularly on economic issues.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/hillary-clinton-2016-vp-pick-tim-kaine-213997

I don't know much about him except for seeing him on the news. I would rather see Sanders or Warren in the VP slot.

PJfanwillneverleave1

mrussel1 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Yeah it's really hard to determine which poll to pay attention to. That's why I start to turn to Nate Silver (538 blog) to interpret based on his model.

Exactly. And he has 80/20 for Clinton right now.

Remember polls only mean something if you want them to.
Don't try to outthink polls.

You completely missed the point of him stating "don't out think the polls". You are confusing out think with 'overthink'.

Same thing.

rgambs

mrussel1 said:

Okay, so I'm an advocate of Tim Kaine in general. He was governor of my beautiful state, mayor of my city and now my Senator. I've met him a few times in the Richmond airport and at a restaurant and found him quite engaging. That being said, Politico has a pretty tough piece on him regarding him being too centrist for Bernie supporters. It's a thoughtful piece, as much as I wish it were not true. I'm curious what the hard core libs on this site think about TK. I'm more of a moderate, particularly on economic issues.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/hillary-clinton-2016-vp-pick-tim-kaine-213997

I'm pretty liberal but I don't mind centrist politicians very much, on the most important issues they will do what needs to be done and the rest is all academic. There's also the benefit of making the right-wing nuts look even nuttier. As much as they hate Obama, they will hate Clinton even more, and it will be a disaster for them.
Clinton is going to make the GOP go even further toward lunacy with her relative centrism, they will be stumbling to oppose her on positions they themselves argued just a few years ago.

PJfanwillneverleave1

rgambs said:

mrussel1 said:

Okay, so I'm an advocate of Tim Kaine in general. He was governor of my beautiful state, mayor of my city and now my Senator. I've met him a few times in the Richmond airport and at a restaurant and found him quite engaging. That being said, Politico has a pretty tough piece on him regarding him being too centrist for Bernie supporters. It's a thoughtful piece, as much as I wish it were not true. I'm curious what the hard core libs on this site think about TK. I'm more of a moderate, particularly on economic issues.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/hillary-clinton-2016-vp-pick-tim-kaine-213997

I'm pretty liberal but I don't mind centrist politicians very much, on the most important issues they will do what needs to be done and the rest is all academic. There's also the benefit of making the right-wing nuts look even nuttier. As much as they hate Obama, they will hate Clinton even more, and it will be a disaster for them.
Clinton is going to make the GOP go even further toward lunacy with her relative centrism, they will be stumbling to oppose her on positions they themselves argued just a few years ago.

Go Hillary!

mrussel1

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

rgambs said:

mrussel1 said:

Okay, so I'm an advocate of Tim Kaine in general. He was governor of my beautiful state, mayor of my city and now my Senator. I've met him a few times in the Richmond airport and at a restaurant and found him quite engaging. That being said, Politico has a pretty tough piece on him regarding him being too centrist for Bernie supporters. It's a thoughtful piece, as much as I wish it were not true. I'm curious what the hard core libs on this site think about TK. I'm more of a moderate, particularly on economic issues.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/hillary-clinton-2016-vp-pick-tim-kaine-213997

I'm pretty liberal but I don't mind centrist politicians very much, on the most important issues they will do what needs to be done and the rest is all academic. There's also the benefit of making the right-wing nuts look even nuttier. As much as they hate Obama, they will hate Clinton even more, and it will be a disaster for them.
Clinton is going to make the GOP go even further toward lunacy with her relative centrism, they will be stumbling to oppose her on positions they themselves argued just a few years ago.

Go Hillary!

Make sure you mail your ballot in early.

mrussel1

rgambs said:

mrussel1 said:

Okay, so I'm an advocate of Tim Kaine in general. He was governor of my beautiful state, mayor of my city and now my Senator. I've met him a few times in the Richmond airport and at a restaurant and found him quite engaging. That being said, Politico has a pretty tough piece on him regarding him being too centrist for Bernie supporters. It's a thoughtful piece, as much as I wish it were not true. I'm curious what the hard core libs on this site think about TK. I'm more of a moderate, particularly on economic issues.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/hillary-clinton-2016-vp-pick-tim-kaine-213997

I'm pretty liberal but I don't mind centrist politicians very much, on the most important issues they will do what needs to be done and the rest is all academic. There's also the benefit of making the right-wing nuts look even nuttier. As much as they hate Obama, they will hate Clinton even more, and it will be a disaster for them.
Clinton is going to make the GOP go even further toward lunacy with her relative centrism, they will be stumbling to oppose her on positions they themselves argued just a few years ago.

Well there goes Kaine... although this is legal in Virginia, it would create a perception issue that isn't needed. I'm betting one of the people vetting VPs released this to Politico. Sure happened fast after the other article.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/tim-kaine-virginia-veep-mcdonnell-clinton-224888

PJfanwillneverleave1

Republican Donald Trump on Thursday accused Bill Clinton and Attorney General Loretta Lynch of showing bad judgment by meeting at a time when the former president's wife, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary, is under federal investigation.

The private meeting took place on Lynch's plane after she landed in Phoenix on Monday night and Bill Clinton was leaving the airport after a rally he held for his wife earlier that day.

Hillary Clinton is under an FBI investigation for her use of a private email server when she was President Barack Obama's first-term secretary of state.


http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/trump-raises-questions-about-bill-clinton-meeting-amid-probe/ar-AAhP8ei?li=AAggv0m&ocid=mailsignout


Anyone think this is not acceptable?

BS44325

I think you all better be prepared...

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/02/us/politics/loretta-lynch-hillary-clinton-email-server.html?referer=http://www.powerlineblog.com/

This could be setting the table for something huge. The Lynch visit to Bill Clinton might have been a courtesy visit to a former President letting him know that charges could be on the way.

Gern Blansten

BS44325 said:

I think you all better be prepared...

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/02/us/politics/loretta-lynch-hillary-clinton-email-server.html?referer=http://www.powerlineblog.com/

This could be setting the table for something huge. The Lynch visit to Bill Clinton might have been a courtesy visit to a former President letting him know that charges could be on the way.

LOL...have fun while you can