remember kids any criticism of the media cartel or the banking cartel, no matter how legitimate, will automatically be deemed anti-Semitic. lol. SAVE IT. Political discourse is the MOST protected form of free speech in America
are there actual classes at Yale Law School that teach them how to be the best liars the world has ever known or was it something this wench gangster was born wit.
Is that more anti-Semitism?
Blatant. He isn't even trying to hide it anymore.
Thread de-railment
Well when you can't fight back against facts that you and others have posted on here you cry racism,sexism, or antisemitism....its in the playbook
are there actual classes at Yale Law School that teach them how to be the best liars the world has ever known or was it something this wench gangster was born wit.
Is that more anti-Semitism?
Blatant. He isn't even trying to hide it anymore.
Thread de-railment
Well when you can't fight back against facts that you and others have posted on here you cry racism,sexism, or antisemitism....its in the playbook
Did you even see the post I quoted? It used Hebrew on the Yale emblem to perpetuate the old anti-Semitic stereotype of the dishonesty of Jews. He also mocked/discredited a video posted solely on the basis that the subject of the video has a first name that is of Jewish origin. Are you defending that post or do you just knee-jerk defend anyone who is accused of racism, sexism, or anti-Semitism?
I'm still fascinated by the support being thrown to Hillary- by people who previously were against her- who either are voting for "lesser of two evils" or now somehow are convinced that all the things they didn't like about Hillary are "not so bad after all"- I believe this is what is known as cognitive dissonance.
We get it, she's not perfect. Yes, she has some flaws. And in spite of the constant fishing expeditions, some people think she's not so bad after all very qualified for the position. In fact, every time there's a new accusation, I learn something more about Hillary that makes me like her more. Fact is, if Jesus Christ himself were running, the Right would smear him for running around with hookers and open an investigation into Temple-gate. It's not cognitive dissonance. It's using critical thinking to see past the political theater.
I'm guessing you have been a Hillary supporter from the get go- that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about people who prior to the convention where strongly critical of HRC and now are saying, "oh, she isn't so bad after all" and even strongly defending her. Please don't alter the content of what I'm asking here.
What's the point of running a campaign, if not to change people's minds? Hillary made her case, people listened, and decided to get behind her. Wasn't that the point of travelling around the country glad-handing for the last few months?
I'm not sure it was Hillary who changed the minds of the people I'm referring to. I think it was fear of not being able to change that which you have no control over (which has created a lot of cognitive dissonance) and a passionate dislike of Trump. Suddenly, for these people (not you), she is "not so bad".
Those are some pretty presumptuous conclusions there Brian. I think many people really have considered facts and really had their minds changed by reality. Many are realizing that the email "scandal" that upset them so isn't actually as big a scandal as they were lead to believe. The FBI thing hurt Clinton's campaign short term, but I think it may have also had a positive impact on the campaign overall, because it really got people examining just what the fuck Hillary did that was so wrong they're supposed to hate her to their core.... and they are finding that the whole thing more seems like an overwrought witch hunt. They are realizing that Clinton isn't as bad as so many people have been duped into believing for so long. That said, strategic voting is also a perfectly valid thing to do, and it doesn't deserve these negative labels that you and Free and couple others like to put on it. To vote for someone to prevent someone much worse from winning is just smart and practical and truly what they consider the right thing to do, not cowardly, as some are trying to make it seem.
Not really, PJ_S, I'm talking about people I know well or at least fairly well.
Sorry, I thought you were talking generally. Anyway, what I said I mean in a general sense. Also, you do still seem to be suggesting that their fear isn't valid, or is a display of "cognitive dissonance". Even if you do know them well... have you considered that their fear vs their beliefs is not cognitive dissonance, but actually perfectly and logically justified, all things considered?
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are there actual classes at Yale Law School that teach them how to be the best liars the world has ever known or was it something this wench gangster was born wit.
Is that more anti-Semitism?
Blatant. He isn't even trying to hide it anymore.
Thread de-railment
Well when you can't fight back against facts that you and others have posted on here you cry racism,sexism, or antisemitism....its in the playbook
Did you even see the post I quoted? It used Hebrew on the Yale emblem to perpetuate the old anti-Semitic stereotype of the dishonesty of Jews. He also mocked/discredited a video posted solely on the basis that the subject of the video has a first name that is of Jewish origin. Are you defending that post or do you just knee-jerk defend anyone who is accused of racism, sexism, or anti-Semitism?
Can we keep this thread focused on discussing Clinton, as the moderator asked.
WIKILEAKS: "We agreed that if she gets a significant primary challenger, we need to consider changing course and getting NY, NJ, and maybe others to move their dates earlier to give her hefty early wins."
Regarding the Seth Meyers video and list- I think this misses the point. Of course Trump is a buffoon and does not belong in the White House. But one man's baffoonery does not eliminated another woman's serious breach of trustworthiness. The indictment should be on the American voting populous for not being able to nominate two respectful candidates.
Regarding your hopes, Kat, that Hillary will receive support after she is elected- she already has a low approval rating and will have to walk on water to change that once elected. Again, what this speaks of is the American voting populous not being able to elect two candidates who inspire hope, who have proven trustworthiness and integrity and who would make good leaders.
As to Hillary being impeached- again, it is the voting public who have proved themselves incapable of making good choices. This should be about us as much as or more than about the two candidates.
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are there actual classes at Yale Law School that teach them how to be the best liars the world has ever known or was it something this wench gangster was born wit.
Is that more anti-Semitism?
Blatant. He isn't even trying to hide it anymore.
Thread de-railment
Well when you can't fight back against facts that you and others have posted on here you cry racism,sexism, or antisemitism....its in the playbook
Did you even see the post I quoted? It used Hebrew on the Yale emblem to perpetuate the old anti-Semitic stereotype of the dishonesty of Jews. He also mocked/discredited a video posted solely on the basis that the subject of the video has a first name that is of Jewish origin. Are you defending that post or do you just knee-jerk defend anyone who is accused of racism, sexism, or anti-Semitism?
Can we keep this thread focused on discussing Clinton, as the moderator asked.
No.
I call bullshit when I see it. If you want to let blatant anti-Semitism ride in pursuit of maintaining your Clinton witch hunt, that's your choice. You won't hold me to the same.
I am against the Isreali occupation and what I believe is an apartheid regime, and I don't care for Clinton's level of Isreali support. I loosely support BDS (in thought and word only) Those things do not preclude me from recognizing blatant anti-Semitism and calling bullshit on it.
WIKILEAKS: "We agreed that if she gets a significant primary challenger, we need to consider changing course and getting NY, NJ, and maybe others to move their dates earlier to give her hefty early wins."
WIKILEAKS: "We agreed that if she gets a significant primary challenger, we need to consider changing course and getting NY, NJ, and maybe others to move their dates earlier to give her hefty early wins."
Regarding the Seth Meyers video and list- I think this misses the point. Of course Trump is a buffoon and does not belong in the White House. But one man's baffoonery does not eliminated another woman's serious breach of trustworthiness. The indictment should be on the American voting populous for not being able to nominate two respectful candidates.
Regarding your hopes, Kat, that Hillary will receive support after she is elected- she already has a low approval rating and will have to walk on water to change that once elected. Again, what this speaks of is the American voting populous not being able to elect two candidates who inspire hope, who have proven trustworthiness and integrity and who would make good leaders.
As to Hillary being impeached- again, it is the voting public who have proved themselves incapable of making good choices. This should be about us as much as or more than about the two candidates.
I agree, Brian. Just because Trump doesn't belong (and he doesn't!) doesn't mean Hillary is the answer. She will get the nod by default, but based on her unpopularity, there won't be an overwhelming mandate for her "vision" and there will be plenty of scrutiny of her actions. She will also continue to be hounded by allegations of wrong-doing, many of which she brought upon herself by being less than transparent. On November 8th, no matter who wins, we will not be electing a great leader. We will be electing the lesser of the two corrupt candidates with record low approval ratings. Hopefully in 4 years we will be ready to be serious about electing a leader. For now, I'm just going to have fun with it so I don't have a stroke.
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Regarding the Seth Meyers video and list- I think this misses the point. Of course Trump is a buffoon and does not belong in the White House. But one man's baffoonery does not eliminated another woman's serious breach of trustworthiness. The indictment should be on the American voting populous for not being able to nominate two respectful candidates.
Regarding your hopes, Kat, that Hillary will receive support after she is elected- she already has a low approval rating and will have to walk on water to change that once elected. Again, what this speaks of is the American voting populous not being able to elect two candidates who inspire hope, who have proven trustworthiness and integrity and who would make good leaders.
As to Hillary being impeached- again, it is the voting public who have proved themselves incapable of making good choices. This should be about us as much as or more than about the two candidates.
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Take a look at the image below. On the right side you’ll see a chart. This is a chart of Hillary’s popularity over time. It was put together by Nate Silver, who based it on over 500 high-quality phone surveys dating back to the early 90’s. If we take a look at the polling data, very obvious patterns emerge.
In the early 90’s her polling was great, which was typical for an incoming First Lady. But Hillary had no interest in being a typical First Lady, and soon took charge of one of the most important policy initiatives of the Clinton Presidency: Universal Health Care. If you look at the first large red arrow I have on the graphic, you’ll see that as soon as she did that her negatives skyrocketed. And yes this was before Whitewater. In fact during the ongoing Whitewater investigations her polling improved dramatically, so she actually became significantly MORE popular during that period, not less.
Now take a look at the second arrow. This is where she declared that she was going to run for the Senate. See what happened? She was at one of the most popular periods of her life, but as soon as she declared a run for the Senate her favorables plummeted while her unfavorables rose sharply. Then once she was elected, her scores stabilized and even improved. Now look at the third arrow. Nearly exactly at the same time she withdrew from the Presidential race her favorables took off again, rising to levels that many considered remarkable. (Or are we pretending not to remember that until very recently Hillary was one of the most popular politicians in the country?) In fact the image on the left of the graph is part of the “bad-ass Hillary” meme that started during this time. And her polling stayed high right up until she decided to run for President again. Her numbers since then are not on this particular graph, but I think we all know what happened to them.
So what do we see in this data? What I see is that the public view of Hillary Clinton does not seem to be correlated to “scandals” or issues of character or whether she murdered Vince Foster. No, the one thing that seems to most negatively and consistently affect public perception of Hillary is any attempt by her to seek power. Once she actually has that power her polls go up again. But whenever she asks for it her numbers drop like a manhole cover.
By any objective measure Hillary Clinton is not just the most qualified candidate this season, she’s one of the most qualified people to ever seek the office. Hillary is nobody’s idea of perfect. Fine. But in my view if a man with her qualifications were running in the Democratic primary, Bernie would have been done before he even started. And if a man with her qualifications had been running for the Republicans, they’d be anointing him the next Reagan while trying to sneak his face onto Mount Rushmore. Most of the people who hate Hillary when she’s running for office end up liking her just fine once she’s won.
WIKILEAKS: "We agreed that if she gets a significant primary challenger, we need to consider changing course and getting NY, NJ, and maybe others to move their dates earlier to give her hefty early wins."
Regarding the Seth Meyers video and list- I think this misses the point. Of course Trump is a buffoon and does not belong in the White House. But one man's baffoonery does not eliminated another woman's serious breach of trustworthiness. The indictment should be on the American voting populous for not being able to nominate two respectful candidates.
Regarding your hopes, Kat, that Hillary will receive support after she is elected- she already has a low approval rating and will have to walk on water to change that once elected. Again, what this speaks of is the American voting populous not being able to elect two candidates who inspire hope, who have proven trustworthiness and integrity and who would make good leaders.
As to Hillary being impeached- again, it is the voting public who have proved themselves incapable of making good choices. This should be about us as much as or more than about the two candidates.
wall of text warning
Take a look at the image below. On the right side you’ll see a chart. This is a chart of Hillary’s popularity over time. It was put together by Nate Silver, who based it on over 500 high-quality phone surveys dating back to the early 90’s. If we take a look at the polling data, very obvious patterns emerge.
In the early 90’s her polling was great, which was typical for an incoming First Lady. But Hillary had no interest in being a typical First Lady, and soon took charge of one of the most important policy initiatives of the Clinton Presidency: Universal Health Care. If you look at the first large red arrow I have on the graphic, you’ll see that as soon as she did that her negatives skyrocketed. And yes this was before Whitewater. In fact during the ongoing Whitewater investigations her polling improved dramatically, so she actually became significantly MORE popular during that period, not less.
Now take a look at the second arrow. This is where she declared that she was going to run for the Senate. See what happened? She was at one of the most popular periods of her life, but as soon as she declared a run for the Senate her favorables plummeted while her unfavorables rose sharply. Then once she was elected, her scores stabilized and even improved. Now look at the third arrow. Nearly exactly at the same time she withdrew from the Presidential race her favorables took off again, rising to levels that many considered remarkable. (Or are we pretending not to remember that until very recently Hillary was one of the most popular politicians in the country?) In fact the image on the left of the graph is part of the “bad-ass Hillary” meme that started during this time. And her polling stayed high right up until she decided to run for President again. Her numbers since then are not on this particular graph, but I think we all know what happened to them.
So what do we see in this data? What I see is that the public view of Hillary Clinton does not seem to be correlated to “scandals” or issues of character or whether she murdered Vince Foster. No, the one thing that seems to most negatively and consistently affect public perception of Hillary is any attempt by her to seek power. Once she actually has that power her polls go up again. But whenever she asks for it her numbers drop like a manhole cover.
By any objective measure Hillary Clinton is not just the most qualified candidate this season, she’s one of the most qualified people to ever seek the office. Hillary is nobody’s idea of perfect. Fine. But in my view if a man with her qualifications were running in the Democratic primary, Bernie would have been done before he even started. And if a man with her qualifications had been running for the Republicans, they’d be anointing him the next Reagan while trying to sneak his face onto Mount Rushmore. Most of the people who hate Hillary when she’s running for office end up liking her just fine once she’s won.
I sincerely appreciate your efforts to create a thoughtful, intelligent argument here. However, re. the bolded statement above- that kind of exaggeration does more harm to your argument than good. And attempting to convince us that there is only one issue that affects Hillary's approval rating just doesn't fly.
Your candidate will win. As to how well she is accepted after that- I would not rush to make such glowing predictions.
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Brian, a LOT of people are calling her the most qualified person to run for POTUS. People who are generally well-respected and knowledgeable. Google it. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean the idea is completely ridiculous. She has a massive amount of experience - more than almost anyone now or ever - so it's not actually a ludicrous premise at all. Just one you don't agree with.
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WIKILEAKS: "We agreed that if she gets a significant primary challenger, we need to consider changing course and getting NY, NJ, and maybe others to move their dates earlier to give her hefty early wins."
Pretty common practice for both parties in presidential primaries anymore. Non-story.
Source?
No source to give. Just my professional experience over the years. Hell, even just Illinois I know was moved in 2008 to get Obama some early momentum. Illinois was also approached to do the same thing in 2016 but it didn't happen
So much of these leaks are just campaign operations. Campaigns are like making a sausage- you don't want to see the sausage being made. It's not pretty.
Brian, a LOT of people are calling her the most qualified person to run for POTUS. People who are generally well-respected and knowledgeable. Google it. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean the idea is completely ridiculous. She has a massive amount of experience - more than almost anyone now or ever - so it's not actually a ludicrous premise at all. Just one you don't agree with.
Also one of the most corrupt...Has there even been someone running for POTUS who was actively being investigated by the FBI (outside of Hoover keeping tabs on anyone who ran)? Who has more baggage than she does over her 30 years of service? Who dare I say is the most corrupt ever? I challenge not her knowledge but her decision making which seems to be in question on a repeated basis
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Try 5,442+ post of pure excuses... And the occasional Ed looks hot post.
Are you defending that post or do you just knee-jerk defend anyone who is accused of racism, sexism, or anti-Semitism?
Can we keep this thread focused on discussing Clinton, as the moderator asked.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/43823
RIGGED!!! RIGHT WING BAITING!!!
Regarding your hopes, Kat, that Hillary will receive support after she is elected- she already has a low approval rating and will have to walk on water to change that once elected. Again, what this speaks of is the American voting populous not being able to elect two candidates who inspire hope, who have proven trustworthiness and integrity and who would make good leaders.
As to Hillary being impeached- again, it is the voting public who have proved themselves incapable of making good choices. This should be about us as much as or more than about the two candidates.
I call bullshit when I see it. If you want to let blatant anti-Semitism ride in pursuit of maintaining your Clinton witch hunt, that's your choice. You won't hold me to the same.
I am against the Isreali occupation and what I believe is an apartheid regime, and I don't care for Clinton's level of Isreali support. I loosely support BDS (in thought and word only)
Those things do not preclude me from recognizing blatant anti-Semitism and calling bullshit on it.
Oh my gosh seeing these politicians playing politics is SHOCKING, just SHOCKING.
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Take a look at the image below. On the right side you’ll see a chart. This is a chart of Hillary’s popularity over time. It was put together by Nate Silver, who based it on over 500 high-quality phone surveys dating back to the early 90’s. If we take a look at the polling data, very obvious patterns emerge.
In the early 90’s her polling was great, which was typical for an incoming First Lady. But Hillary had no interest in being a typical First Lady, and soon took charge of one of the most important policy initiatives of the Clinton Presidency: Universal Health Care. If you look at the first large red arrow I have on the graphic, you’ll see that as soon as she did that her negatives skyrocketed. And yes this was before Whitewater. In fact during the ongoing Whitewater investigations her polling improved dramatically, so she actually became significantly MORE popular during that period, not less.
Now take a look at the second arrow. This is where she declared that she was going to run for the Senate. See what happened? She was at one of the most popular periods of her life, but as soon as she declared a run for the Senate her favorables plummeted while her unfavorables rose sharply. Then once she was elected, her scores stabilized and even improved. Now look at the third arrow. Nearly exactly at the same time she withdrew from the Presidential race her favorables took off again, rising to levels that many considered remarkable. (Or are we pretending not to remember that until very recently Hillary was one of the most popular politicians in the country?) In fact the image on the left of the graph is part of the “bad-ass Hillary” meme that started during this time. And her polling stayed high right up until she decided to run for President again. Her numbers since then are not on this particular graph, but I think we all know what happened to them.
So what do we see in this data? What I see is that the public view of Hillary Clinton does not seem to be correlated to “scandals” or issues of character or whether she murdered Vince Foster. No, the one thing that seems to most negatively and consistently affect public perception of Hillary is any attempt by her to seek power. Once she actually has that power her polls go up again. But whenever she asks for it her numbers drop like a manhole cover.
By any objective measure Hillary Clinton is not just the most qualified candidate this season, she’s one of the most qualified people to ever seek the office. Hillary is nobody’s idea of perfect. Fine. But in my view if a man with her qualifications were running in the Democratic primary, Bernie would have been done before he even started. And if a man with her qualifications had been running for the Republicans, they’d be anointing him the next Reagan while trying to sneak his face onto Mount Rushmore. Most of the people who hate Hillary when she’s running for office end up liking her just fine once she’s won.
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Your candidate will win. As to how well she is accepted after that- I would not rush to make such glowing predictions.
hopefully this isn't perceived as anti- yata yata yata. lol
Ima lawyer myself.
So much of these leaks are just campaign operations. Campaigns are like making a sausage- you don't want to see the sausage being made. It's not pretty.
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