Question: Do we want a woman president because she is a woman or because she would make a good president? I would love to see both but I don't think Stein has much of a chance.
I don't know any women who would vote for a woman just because she's a woman. I guess there are women stupid enough to do that out there somewhere, but to suggest that this might be a common thing is actually an insult to female intelligence.
Really?
It's all over the place. All you have to do is step outside. And I've heard many women say it proudly. Just because she is a woman. PJ_Soul doesn't live in America - it's kind of hard to get a clear understanding of things that are happening on the ground.
I would love to have an honest, ethical, and strong Female President. That would be a great moment. Just like in 2008 with Obama.
OMG, yes.
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Question: Do we want a woman president because she is a woman or because she would make a good president? I would love to see both but I don't think Stein has much of a chance.
I don't know any women who would vote for a woman just because she's a woman. I guess there are women stupid enough to do that out there somewhere, but to suggest that this might be a common thing is actually an insult to female intelligence.
Really?
It's all over the place. All you have to do is step outside. And I've heard many women say it proudly. Just because she is a woman. PJ_Soul doesn't live in America - it's kind of hard to get a clear understanding of things that are happening on the ground.
I would love to have an honest, ethical, and strong Female President. That would be a great moment. Just like in 2008 with Obama.
Well yeah, if it's an American thing, I guess I wouldn't know (besides what I see everyday on social media and in the news and media in general...). Please remember that we do have elections outside of America, and that women are sometimes on the ballot, lol. I was speaking generally, not just in this election. So no, I don't know any women who would vote for a woman JUST because she's a woman (and in BC we know - our premier is a woman, and she is the WORST. I don't know anyone, male or female, who doesn't hate her). Are you guys sure that a lot of women are doing that in the US though? Or are you perhaps misinterpreting their reasoning (outside of a small noisy minority of idiots)? Because I have noticed that there is a misunderstanding about this sometimes, generally, but not always, from men who don't agree with voting for the woman in question. Because yes, that someone is a woman has an impact for other women because a female can, presumably or ideally, understand the needs of women better and act as a better representative for them (and children, some think). For sure. I am not denying that. It makes perfect sense in a world where women are not yet equal and require better representation. Remember how disgistingly underrepresented women are in governmemt. Men would flip out if they were that underepresented in government (or at least I hope they would). But that doesn't mean that women vote for her when she's got nothing else on the table. If she's a horrible politician with no redeeming qualities and who will most likely fuck everything up, but is a woman, most women are not going to vote for her just because she's female.
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PJ_Soul said: Ahaha, always nice to see that high road being taken, lol.
I would also like to not lose anyone else, and would be thrilled if more people would join in... I wonder how many lurkers there are on the AMT? If any of you are reading this, speak up, we need some people to shake up our AMT bubble of aggression and low blows.
I'll take the bait on that.
Quick summary: longtime lurker, first time responder; mid-30s, socially liberal, Red Catholic upbringing, moderately conservative network of friends/co-workers. I try to vote third party simply based on principle of believing we need more voices in the arena, I've never been particularly swayed by any presidential candidate in my life (kinda doubt that's possible, honestly), but voting Democratic this year mostly against Trump, but also somewhat in support of Hillary. I don't feel great voting for her, though I don't mind her, yet I also don't think Armageddon is on the horizon if Trump wins. I think a lot of people that bash Trump (which they may have a valid points for) vastly misinterpret his supporters. The majority of people I know voting for Trump are not stupid, they aren't hateful; they're good people and they work hard and care. Most of them don't necessarily care about big political issues (or, perhaps, the things that put his haters into a rage don't register with them, so they seem clueless?). They are apathetic to the system. Trump has somehow invigorated them into caring (obviously in different degrees), and I've seen some people get swept up in the euphoria of caring. I think anti-Trump people have so much emotion towards him as a person that they have a mental block when it comes to people that don't back away from supporting him. They see him as a person that will change a system that seems fucked up every presidential election, and honestly I respect that mentality and desire. But I think there could be someone smarter and better fit to fuck up the system.
Hope this hasn't angered anyone, not trying to get into one-on-one debates with you all at all. I enjoy reading these threads because I get exposed to lots of voices and idea and sources of information I wouldn't find otherwise, which makes me somewhat wiser, so thank you all for that. I also like the random moments I see one of AMT peeps make a Pearl Jam comment or two. Okay, rant over; America!
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Quick summary: longtime lurker, first time responder; mid-30s, socially liberal, Red Catholic upbringing, moderately conservative network of friends/co-workers. I try to vote third party simply based on principle of believing we need more voices in the arena, I've never been particularly swayed by any presidential candidate in my life (kinda doubt that's possible, honestly), but voting Democratic this year mostly against Trump, but also somewhat in support of Hillary. I don't feel great voting for her, though I don't mind her, yet I also don't think Armageddon is on the horizon if Trump wins. I think a lot of people that bash Trump (which they may have a valid points for) vastly misinterpret his supporters. The majority of people I know voting for Trump are not stupid, they aren't hateful; they're good people and they work hard and care. Most of them don't necessarily care about big political issues (or, perhaps, the things that put his haters into a rage don't register with them, so they seem clueless?). They are apathetic to the system. Trump has somehow invigorated them into caring (obviously in different degrees), and I've seen some people get swept up in the euphoria of caring. I think anti-Trump people have so much emotion towards him as a person that they have a mental block when it comes to people that don't back away from supporting him. They see him as a person that will change a system that seems fucked up every presidential election, and honestly I respect that mentality and desire. But I think there could be someone smarter and better fit to fuck up the system.
Hope this hasn't angered anyone, not trying to get into one-on-one debates with you all at all. I enjoy reading these threads because I get exposed to lots of voices and idea and sources of information I wouldn't find otherwise, which makes me somewhat wiser, so thank you all for that. I also like the random moments I see one of AMT peeps make a Pearl Jam comment or two. Okay, rant over; America!
PJ_Soul said: Ahaha, always nice to see that high road being taken, lol.
I would also like to not lose anyone else, and would be thrilled if more people would join in... I wonder how many lurkers there are on the AMT? If any of you are reading this, speak up, we need some people to shake up our AMT bubble of aggression and low blows.
I'll take the bait on that.
Quick summary: longtime lurker, first time responder; mid-30s, socially liberal, Red Catholic upbringing, moderately conservative network of friends/co-workers. I try to vote third party simply based on principle of believing we need more voices in the arena, I've never been particularly swayed by any presidential candidate in my life (kinda doubt that's possible, honestly), but voting Democratic this year mostly against Trump, but also somewhat in support of Hillary. I don't feel great voting for her, though I don't mind her, yet I also don't think Armageddon is on the horizon if Trump wins. I think a lot of people that bash Trump (which they may have a valid points for) vastly misinterpret his supporters. The majority of people I know voting for Trump are not stupid, they aren't hateful; they're good people and they work hard and care. Most of them don't necessarily care about big political issues (or, perhaps, the things that put his haters into a rage don't register with them, so they seem clueless?). They are apathetic to the system. Trump has somehow invigorated them into caring (obviously in different degrees), and I've seen some people get swept up in the euphoria of caring. I think anti-Trump people have so much emotion towards him as a person that they have a mental block when it comes to people that don't back away from supporting him. They see him as a person that will change a system that seems fucked up every presidential election, and honestly I respect that mentality and desire. But I think there could be someone smarter and better fit to fuck up the system.
Hope this hasn't angered anyone, not trying to get into one-on-one debates with you all at all. I enjoy reading these threads because I get exposed to lots of voices and idea and sources of information I wouldn't find otherwise, which makes me somewhat wiser, so thank you all for that. I also like the random moments I see one of AMT peeps make a Pearl Jam comment or two. Okay, rant over; America!
PJ_Soul said: Ahaha, always nice to see that high road being taken, lol.
I would also like to not lose anyone else, and would be thrilled if more people would join in... I wonder how many lurkers there are on the AMT? If any of you are reading this, speak up, we need some people to shake up our AMT bubble of aggression and low blows.
I'll take the bait on that.
Quick summary: longtime lurker, first time responder; mid-30s, socially liberal, Red Catholic upbringing, moderately conservative network of friends/co-workers. I try to vote third party simply based on principle of believing we need more voices in the arena, I've never been particularly swayed by any presidential candidate in my life (kinda doubt that's possible, honestly), but voting Democratic this year mostly against Trump, but also somewhat in support of Hillary. I don't feel great voting for her, though I don't mind her, yet I also don't think Armageddon is on the horizon if Trump wins. I think a lot of people that bash Trump (which they may have a valid points for) vastly misinterpret his supporters. The majority of people I know voting for Trump are not stupid, they aren't hateful; they're good people and they work hard and care. Most of them don't necessarily care about big political issues (or, perhaps, the things that put his haters into a rage don't register with them, so they seem clueless?). They are apathetic to the system. Trump has somehow invigorated them into caring (obviously in different degrees), and I've seen some people get swept up in the euphoria of caring. I think anti-Trump people have so much emotion towards him as a person that they have a mental block when it comes to people that don't back away from supporting him. They see him as a person that will change a system that seems fucked up every presidential election, and honestly I respect that mentality and desire. But I think there could be someone smarter and better fit to fuck up the system.
Hope this hasn't angered anyone, not trying to get into one-on-one debates with you all at all. I enjoy reading these threads because I get exposed to lots of voices and idea and sources of information I wouldn't find otherwise, which makes me somewhat wiser, so thank you all for that. I also like the random moments I see one of AMT peeps make a Pearl Jam comment or two. Okay, rant over; America!
Great post. The AMT could use more of that. Voting democrat but empathy for the Trump voter.
For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to their knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.
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That won't happen, they'd end up convicting themselves.
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For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.
Slippery slope but I would be fine with that on the surface. There are probably other actions we could take like campaign finance reform, term limits, etc...
Go Cubs.
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PJ_Soul said: Ahaha, always nice to see that high road being taken, lol.
I would also like to not lose anyone else, and would be thrilled if more people would join in... I wonder how many lurkers there are on the AMT? If any of you are reading this, speak up, we need some people to shake up our AMT bubble of aggression and low blows.
I'll take the bait on that.
Quick summary: longtime lurker, first time responder; mid-30s, socially liberal, Red Catholic upbringing, moderately conservative network of friends/co-workers. I try to vote third party simply based on principle of believing we need more voices in the arena, I've never been particularly swayed by any presidential candidate in my life (kinda doubt that's possible, honestly), but voting Democratic this year mostly against Trump, but also somewhat in support of Hillary. I don't feel great voting for her, though I don't mind her, yet I also don't think Armageddon is on the horizon if Trump wins. I think a lot of people that bash Trump (which they may have a valid points for) vastly misinterpret his supporters. The majority of people I know voting for Trump are not stupid, they aren't hateful; they're good people and they work hard and care. Most of them don't necessarily care about big political issues (or, perhaps, the things that put his haters into a rage don't register with them, so they seem clueless?). They are apathetic to the system. Trump has somehow invigorated them into caring (obviously in different degrees), and I've seen some people get swept up in the euphoria of caring. I think anti-Trump people have so much emotion towards him as a person that they have a mental block when it comes to people that don't back away from supporting him. They see him as a person that will change a system that seems fucked up every presidential election, and honestly I respect that mentality and desire. But I think there could be someone smarter and better fit to fuck up the system.
Hope this hasn't angered anyone, not trying to get into one-on-one debates with you all at all. I enjoy reading these threads because I get exposed to lots of voices and idea and sources of information I wouldn't find otherwise, which makes me somewhat wiser, so thank you all for that. I also like the random moments I see one of AMT peeps make a Pearl Jam comment or two. Okay, rant over; America!
Great post. The AMT could use more of that. Voting democrat but empathy for the Trump voter.
For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.
Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.
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For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.
Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.
That's some twist you're putting on what I said. Read it carefully. I clearly said one branch is acting in a treasonous manner (and it's also unAmerican) to try and shut down the other two branches of government. I love my country and I'm sick of obstructionism. No more.
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Question: Do we want a woman president because she is a woman or because she would make a good president? I would love to see both but I don't think Stein has much of a chance.
I don't know any women who would vote for a woman just because she's a woman. I guess there are women stupid enough to do that out there somewhere, but to suggest that this might be a common thing is actually an insult to female intelligence.
Thank you.
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For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.
Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.
That's some twist you're putting on what I said. Read it carefully. I clearly said one branch is acting in a treasonous manner (and it's also unAmerican) to try and shut down the other two branches of government. I love my country and I'm sick of obstructionism. No more.
That is exactly what they are supposed to do when other branches get out of control. That is the ENTIRE point.
For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.
Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.
That's some twist you're putting on what I said. Read it carefully. I clearly said one branch is acting in a treasonous manner (and it's also unAmerican) to try and shut down the other two branches of government. I love my country and I'm sick of obstructionism. No more.
That is exactly what they are supposed to do when other branches get out of control. That is the ENTIRE point.
Yeah, out of control actions such as expecting a SCOTUS nominee to get a hearing.
For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.
Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.
That's some twist you're putting on what I said. Read it carefully. I clearly said one branch is acting in a treasonous manner (and it's also unAmerican) to try and shut down the other two branches of government. I love my country and I'm sick of obstructionism. No more.
That is exactly what they are supposed to do when other branches get out of control. That is the ENTIRE point.
Oh wait, you must be referring to out of control actions like the 14th Amendment and the Civil Rights Act of 64... Things that have led to the elimination of the "white race".
For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.
Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.
That's some twist you're putting on what I said. Read it carefully. I clearly said one branch is acting in a treasonous manner (and it's also unAmerican) to try and shut down the other two branches of government. I love my country and I'm sick of obstructionism. No more.
You said that you want to see the justice department bring them up on charges for treason. There is no twist in that. You want to criminalize elected representatives for failing to vote in a manner you see fit. Just think about that for a bit.
The FBI leaks are coming hard and fast now. The Clinton campaign will not be able to keep up.
Saw this a few minutes ago. Is this legit?
Hard to know but that's the thing... Instead of just brushing off the Comey letter the Clinton Campaign chose to go to war. Now leaks will come out left, right and center that will be impossible to refute. Everything will sound plausible based on public evidence already available and based on Hillary's terrible honest amd trustworthy numbers. The above reporting does not seem far fetched.
Secret Recordings Fueled FBI Feud in Clinton Probe Agents thought they had enough material to merit aggressively pursuing investigation into Clinton Foundation
For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.
Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.
For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.
Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.
That's some twist you're putting on what I said. Read it carefully. I clearly said one branch is acting in a treasonous manner (and it's also unAmerican) to try and shut down the other two branches of government. I love my country and I'm sick of obstructionism. No more.
You said that you want to see the justice department bring them up on charges for treason. There is no twist in that. You want to criminalize elected representatives for failing to vote in a manner you see fit. Just think about that for a bit.
No, I think she is saying their continuous refusal to put a vote is treason. Not how they vote.
Someone mentioned the voters elected these people, well, elections matter. They voted people in to vote on bills. Not be sore losers.
For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.
Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.
For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.
Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.
That's some twist you're putting on what I said. Read it carefully. I clearly said one branch is acting in a treasonous manner (and it's also unAmerican) to try and shut down the other two branches of government. I love my country and I'm sick of obstructionism. No more.
You said that you want to see the justice department bring them up on charges for treason. There is no twist in that. You want to criminalize elected representatives for failing to vote in a manner you see fit. Just think about that for a bit.
No, I think she is saying their continuous refusal to put a vote is treason. Not how they vote.
Someone mentioned the voters elected these people, well, elections matter. They voted people in to vote on bills. Not be sore losers.
No. Those people were voted in to exercise the will of those who sent them there. That will sometimes includes blocking votes when possible. It is not treason and to demand charges be brought against those who block votes within the rules is facism. This is a very dangerous game people are playing as you are advocating for actions that you wouldn't want a President Trump to take.
For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.
Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.
For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.
Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.
That's some twist you're putting on what I said. Read it carefully. I clearly said one branch is acting in a treasonous manner (and it's also unAmerican) to try and shut down the other two branches of government. I love my country and I'm sick of obstructionism. No more.
You said that you want to see the justice department bring them up on charges for treason. There is no twist in that. You want to criminalize elected representatives for failing to vote in a manner you see fit. Just think about that for a bit.
No, I think she is saying their continuous refusal to put a vote is treason. Not how they vote.
Someone mentioned the voters elected these people, well, elections matter. They voted people in to vote on bills. Not be sore losers.
No. Those people were voted in to exercise the will of those who sent them there. That will sometimes includes blocking votes when possible. It is not treason and to demand charges be brought against those who block votes within the rules is facism. This is a very dangerous game people are playing as you are advocating for actions that you wouldn't want a President Trump to take.
I agree with Kat's sentiments but not to lock them up. WE should take other action with campaign contribution and lobbying laws. Congress is broken right now. Absolutely broken. Both sides. Something needs to change. That is the point. Our politicians suck.
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Game, set and match.
Quick summary: longtime lurker, first time responder; mid-30s, socially liberal, Red Catholic upbringing, moderately conservative network of friends/co-workers. I try to vote third party simply based on principle of believing we need more voices in the arena, I've never been particularly swayed by any presidential candidate in my life (kinda doubt that's possible, honestly), but voting Democratic this year mostly against Trump, but also somewhat in support of Hillary. I don't feel great voting for her, though I don't mind her, yet I also don't think Armageddon is on the horizon if Trump wins. I think a lot of people that bash Trump (which they may have a valid points for) vastly misinterpret his supporters. The majority of people I know voting for Trump are not stupid, they aren't hateful; they're good people and they work hard and care. Most of them don't necessarily care about big political issues (or, perhaps, the things that put his haters into a rage don't register with them, so they seem clueless?). They are apathetic to the system. Trump has somehow invigorated them into caring (obviously in different degrees), and I've seen some people get swept up in the euphoria of caring. I think anti-Trump people have so much emotion towards him as a person that they have a mental block when it comes to people that don't back away from supporting him. They see him as a person that will change a system that seems fucked up every presidential election, and honestly I respect that mentality and desire. But I think there could be someone smarter and better fit to fuck up the system.
Hope this hasn't angered anyone, not trying to get into one-on-one debates with you all at all. I enjoy reading these threads because I get exposed to lots of voices and idea and sources of information I wouldn't find otherwise, which makes me somewhat wiser, so thank you all for that. I also like the random moments I see one of AMT peeps make a Pearl Jam comment or two. Okay, rant over; America!
When was this?
Can you post the youtube link?
Quick summary: longtime lurker, first time responder; mid-30s, socially liberal, Red Catholic upbringing, moderately conservative network of friends/co-workers. I try to vote third party simply based on principle of believing we need more voices in the arena, I've never been particularly swayed by any presidential candidate in my life (kinda doubt that's possible, honestly), but voting Democratic this year mostly against Trump, but also somewhat in support of Hillary. I don't feel great voting for her, though I don't mind her, yet I also don't think Armageddon is on the horizon if Trump wins. I think a lot of people that bash Trump (which they may have a valid points for) vastly misinterpret his supporters. The majority of people I know voting for Trump are not stupid, they aren't hateful; they're good people and they work hard and care. Most of them don't necessarily care about big political issues (or, perhaps, the things that put his haters into a rage don't register with them, so they seem clueless?). They are apathetic to the system. Trump has somehow invigorated them into caring (obviously in different degrees), and I've seen some people get swept up in the euphoria of caring. I think anti-Trump people have so much emotion towards him as a person that they have a mental block when it comes to people that don't back away from supporting him. They see him as a person that will change a system that seems fucked up every presidential election, and honestly I respect that mentality and desire. But I think there could be someone smarter and better fit to fuck up the system.
Hope this hasn't angered anyone, not trying to get into one-on-one debates with you all at all. I enjoy reading these threads because I get exposed to lots of voices and idea and sources of information I wouldn't find otherwise, which makes me somewhat wiser, so thank you all for that. I also like the random moments I see one of AMT peeps make a Pearl Jam comment or two. Okay, rant over; America!
Awesome first post in AMT.
Quick summary: longtime lurker, first time responder; mid-30s, socially liberal, Red Catholic upbringing, moderately conservative network of friends/co-workers. I try to vote third party simply based on principle of believing we need more voices in the arena, I've never been particularly swayed by any presidential candidate in my life (kinda doubt that's possible, honestly), but voting Democratic this year mostly against Trump, but also somewhat in support of Hillary. I don't feel great voting for her, though I don't mind her, yet I also don't think Armageddon is on the horizon if Trump wins. I think a lot of people that bash Trump (which they may have a valid points for) vastly misinterpret his supporters. The majority of people I know voting for Trump are not stupid, they aren't hateful; they're good people and they work hard and care. Most of them don't necessarily care about big political issues (or, perhaps, the things that put his haters into a rage don't register with them, so they seem clueless?). They are apathetic to the system. Trump has somehow invigorated them into caring (obviously in different degrees), and I've seen some people get swept up in the euphoria of caring. I think anti-Trump people have so much emotion towards him as a person that they have a mental block when it comes to people that don't back away from supporting him. They see him as a person that will change a system that seems fucked up every presidential election, and honestly I respect that mentality and desire. But I think there could be someone smarter and better fit to fuck up the system.
Hope this hasn't angered anyone, not trying to get into one-on-one debates with you all at all. I enjoy reading these threads because I get exposed to lots of voices and idea and sources of information I wouldn't find otherwise, which makes me somewhat wiser, so thank you all for that. I also like the random moments I see one of AMT peeps make a Pearl Jam comment or two. Okay, rant over; America!
Great post. The AMT could use more of that. Voting democrat but empathy for the Trump voter.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/inspired-life/wp/2016/11/02/what-is-this-election-missing-empathy-for-trump-voters/
For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to their knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.
No, seriously, I do know some but remember, I work with the public and run into a lot of people.
Go Cubs.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/inspired-life/wp/2016/11/02/what-is-this-election-missing-empathy-for-trump-voters/
Keep posting! Love to see new perspectives here left right center and far out!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/11/02/fbi_sources_tell_fox_news_indictment_likely_in_clinton_foundation_case.html
The FBI leaks are coming hard and fast now. The Clinton campaign will not be able to keep up.
Agents thought they had enough material to merit aggressively pursuing investigation into Clinton Foundation
http://www.wsj.com/articles/secret-recordings-fueled-fbi-feud-in-clinton-probe-1478135518?tesla=y
http://sli.mg/taiKLL
Someone mentioned the voters elected these people, well, elections matter. They voted people in to vote on bills. Not be sore losers.