How she feels about Bernie voters, huh? That name should ring a bell, I think. Oh. The guy that lost? Yeah. Bernie lost. If you really believe in him and what he stands for- you'd get over it and follow him in who he is voting for.
Read: You'd sell out like your guy did and understand your place in The game.
Unsung is the most cynical person I've ever encountered. If someone isn't Ron Paul in civic service, they're bought and bribed already. I've been in civic service for 12 years now and I can honestly say the majority of both parties are very respectful citizens.
Unsung is the most cynical person I've ever encountered. If someone isn't Ron Paul in civic service, they're bought and bribed already. I've been in civic service for 12 years now and I can honestly say the majority of both parties are very respectful citizens.
I prefer principled.
Still waiting for you to name all the societies and civilizations that existed without governments....
Unsung is the most cynical person I've ever encountered. If someone isn't Ron Paul in civic service, they're bought and bribed already. I've been in civic service for 12 years now and I can honestly say the majority of both parties are very respectful citizens.
I prefer principled.
Still waiting for you to name all the societies and civilizations that existed without governments....
That's funny. Societies wouldn't exist without government. The human race would become extinct.
Unsung is the most cynical person I've ever encountered. If someone isn't Ron Paul in civic service, they're bought and bribed already. I've been in civic service for 12 years now and I can honestly say the majority of both parties are very respectful citizens.
I prefer principled.
Still waiting for you to name all the societies and civilizations that existed without governments....
That's funny. Societies wouldn't exist without government. The human race would become extinct.
No human society exists without some sort of government, though the forms vary markedly. Socities don't exist without government; it's integral to what a society is. That doesn't mean that a lack of government would automatically lead to extinction, though it certainly could; it just means that humans would remain in small, probably family-based groups only.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
Clinton gives her take on Sanders supporters in leaked fundraising recording
I for one find this kind of talk refreshing. If she would speak like this about the left more often she could actually convince people like me to support her.
You might support her if she put down and labeled more groups of voters? Or because she sounds like she's being honest because she thought no one could hear her?
Clinton gives her take on Sanders supporters in leaked fundraising recording
I for one find this kind of talk refreshing. If she would speak like this about the left more often she could actually convince people like me to support her.
You might support her if she put down and labeled more groups of voters? Or because she sounds like she's being honest because she thought no one could hear her?
Because her summation of the left flank of the democratic base is correct. Someone needs to tell those kids in the basement to wake up.
Clinton gives her take on Sanders supporters in leaked fundraising recording
I for one find this kind of talk refreshing. If she would speak like this about the left more often she could actually convince people like me to support her.
You might support her if she put down and labeled more groups of voters? Or because she sounds like she's being honest because she thought no one could hear her?
Because her summation of the left flank of the democratic base is correct. Someone needs to tell those kids in the basement to wake up.
Clinton gives her take on Sanders supporters in leaked fundraising recording
I for one find this kind of talk refreshing. If she would speak like this about the left more often she could actually convince people like me to support her.
You might support her if she put down and labeled more groups of voters? Or because she sounds like she's being honest because she thought no one could hear her?
Because her summation of the left flank of the democratic base is correct. Someone needs to tell those kids in the basement to wake up.
So you think generalizing an entire and large group of voters can be labeled "kids living in their parents basements". Here's some news for you. There are more baby boomers, Independents, and Generation Xers in that group than you can imagine. She has it all wrong, but you can keep believing what she says.
Clinton gives her take on Sanders supporters in leaked fundraising recording
I for one find this kind of talk refreshing. If she would speak like this about the left more often she could actually convince people like me to support her.
You might support her if she put down and labeled more groups of voters? Or because she sounds like she's being honest because she thought no one could hear her?
Because her summation of the left flank of the democratic base is correct. Someone needs to tell those kids in the basement to wake up.
I guess you didn't know that the largest generation represented in the workforce is...you got it, millennials!
Clinton gives her take on Sanders supporters in leaked fundraising recording
I for one find this kind of talk refreshing. If she would speak like this about the left more often she could actually convince people like me to support her.
You might support her if she put down and labeled more groups of voters? Or because she sounds like she's being honest because she thought no one could hear her?
Because her summation of the left flank of the democratic base is correct. Someone needs to tell those kids in the basement to wake up.
Clinton gives her take on Sanders supporters in leaked fundraising recording
I for one find this kind of talk refreshing. If she would speak like this about the left more often she could actually convince people like me to support her.
You might support her if she put down and labeled more groups of voters? Or because she sounds like she's being honest because she thought no one could hear her?
Because her summation of the left flank of the democratic base is correct. Someone needs to tell those kids in the basement to wake up.
So you think generalizing an entire and large group of voters can be labeled "kids living in their parents basements". Here's some news for you. There are more baby boomers, Independents, and Generation Xers in that group than you can imagine. She has it all wrong, but you can keep believing what she says.
I am not saying that it is politically smart but is nice to hear a democratic candidate tell their base that there is no such thing as a free lunch. You can't just have free education or free healthcare. Everything comes at a cost and millenials need to know that. Bernie was only selling a bunch of nonsense and it's refreshing to hear a grown up in the democratic party to say it.
Clinton gives her take on Sanders supporters in leaked fundraising recording
I for one find this kind of talk refreshing. If she would speak like this about the left more often she could actually convince people like me to support her.
You might support her if she put down and labeled more groups of voters? Or because she sounds like she's being honest because she thought no one could hear her?
Because her summation of the left flank of the democratic base is correct. Someone needs to tell those kids in the basement to wake up.
Clinton gives her take on Sanders supporters in leaked fundraising recording
I for one find this kind of talk refreshing. If she would speak like this about the left more often she could actually convince people like me to support her.
You might support her if she put down and labeled more groups of voters? Or because she sounds like she's being honest because she thought no one could hear her?
Because her summation of the left flank of the democratic base is correct. Someone needs to tell those kids in the basement to wake up.
So you think generalizing an entire and large group of voters can be labeled "kids living in their parents basements". Here's some news for you. There are more baby boomers, Independents, and Generation Xers in that group than you can imagine. She has it all wrong, but you can keep believing what she says.
I am not saying that it is politically smart but is nice to hear a democratic candidate tell their base that there is no such thing as a free lunch. You can't just have free education or free healthcare. Everything comes at a cost and millenials need to know that. Bernie was only selling a bunch of nonsense and it's refreshing to hear a grown up in the democratic party to say it.
Clinton gives her take on Sanders supporters in leaked fundraising recording
I for one find this kind of talk refreshing. If she would speak like this about the left more often she could actually convince people like me to support her.
You might support her if she put down and labeled more groups of voters? Or because she sounds like she's being honest because she thought no one could hear her?
Because her summation of the left flank of the democratic base is correct. Someone needs to tell those kids in the basement to wake up.
Clinton gives her take on Sanders supporters in leaked fundraising recording
I for one find this kind of talk refreshing. If she would speak like this about the left more often she could actually convince people like me to support her.
You might support her if she put down and labeled more groups of voters? Or because she sounds like she's being honest because she thought no one could hear her?
Because her summation of the left flank of the democratic base is correct. Someone needs to tell those kids in the basement to wake up.
So you think generalizing an entire and large group of voters can be labeled "kids living in their parents basements". Here's some news for you. There are more baby boomers, Independents, and Generation Xers in that group than you can imagine. She has it all wrong, but you can keep believing what she says.
I am not saying that it is politically smart but is nice to hear a democratic candidate tell their base that there is no such thing as a free lunch. You can't just have free education or free healthcare. Everything comes at a cost and millenials need to know that. Bernie was only selling a bunch of nonsense and it's refreshing to hear a grown up in the democratic party to say it.
You have it all wrong. It doesn't matter. You'll choose to believe fairy tales because you choose to, and then say it's accurate. Whatev.
Clinton gives her take on Sanders supporters in leaked fundraising recording
I for one find this kind of talk refreshing. If she would speak like this about the left more often she could actually convince people like me to support her.
You might support her if she put down and labeled more groups of voters? Or because she sounds like she's being honest because she thought no one could hear her?
Because her summation of the left flank of the democratic base is correct. Someone needs to tell those kids in the basement to wake up.
Clinton gives her take on Sanders supporters in leaked fundraising recording
I for one find this kind of talk refreshing. If she would speak like this about the left more often she could actually convince people like me to support her.
You might support her if she put down and labeled more groups of voters? Or because she sounds like she's being honest because she thought no one could hear her?
Because her summation of the left flank of the democratic base is correct. Someone needs to tell those kids in the basement to wake up.
So you think generalizing an entire and large group of voters can be labeled "kids living in their parents basements". Here's some news for you. There are more baby boomers, Independents, and Generation Xers in that group than you can imagine. She has it all wrong, but you can keep believing what she says.
I am not saying that it is politically smart but is nice to hear a democratic candidate tell their base that there is no such thing as a free lunch. You can't just have free education or free healthcare. Everything comes at a cost and millenials need to know that. Bernie was only selling a bunch of nonsense and it's refreshing to hear a grown up in the democratic party to say it.
Clinton gives her take on Sanders supporters in leaked fundraising recording
I for one find this kind of talk refreshing. If she would speak like this about the left more often she could actually convince people like me to support her.
You might support her if she put down and labeled more groups of voters? Or because she sounds like she's being honest because she thought no one could hear her?
Because her summation of the left flank of the democratic base is correct. Someone needs to tell those kids in the basement to wake up.
Clinton gives her take on Sanders supporters in leaked fundraising recording
I for one find this kind of talk refreshing. If she would speak like this about the left more often she could actually convince people like me to support her.
You might support her if she put down and labeled more groups of voters? Or because she sounds like she's being honest because she thought no one could hear her?
Because her summation of the left flank of the democratic base is correct. Someone needs to tell those kids in the basement to wake up.
So you think generalizing an entire and large group of voters can be labeled "kids living in their parents basements". Here's some news for you. There are more baby boomers, Independents, and Generation Xers in that group than you can imagine. She has it all wrong, but you can keep believing what she says.
I am not saying that it is politically smart but is nice to hear a democratic candidate tell their base that there is no such thing as a free lunch. You can't just have free education or free healthcare. Everything comes at a cost and millenials need to know that. Bernie was only selling a bunch of nonsense and it's refreshing to hear a grown up in the democratic party to say it.
You have it all wrong. It doesn't matter. You'll choose to believe fairy tales because you choose to, and then say it's accurate. Whatev.
"Whatev"...I had more faith in you then that Free.
Clinton gives her take on Sanders supporters in leaked fundraising recording
I for one find this kind of talk refreshing. If she would speak like this about the left more often she could actually convince people like me to support her.
You might support her if she put down and labeled more groups of voters? Or because she sounds like she's being honest because she thought no one could hear her?
Because her summation of the left flank of the democratic base is correct. Someone needs to tell those kids in the basement to wake up.
Clinton gives her take on Sanders supporters in leaked fundraising recording
I for one find this kind of talk refreshing. If she would speak like this about the left more often she could actually convince people like me to support her.
You might support her if she put down and labeled more groups of voters? Or because she sounds like she's being honest because she thought no one could hear her?
Because her summation of the left flank of the democratic base is correct. Someone needs to tell those kids in the basement to wake up.
So you think generalizing an entire and large group of voters can be labeled "kids living in their parents basements". Here's some news for you. There are more baby boomers, Independents, and Generation Xers in that group than you can imagine. She has it all wrong, but you can keep believing what she says.
I am not saying that it is politically smart but is nice to hear a democratic candidate tell their base that there is no such thing as a free lunch. You can't just have free education or free healthcare. Everything comes at a cost and millenials need to know that. Bernie was only selling a bunch of nonsense and it's refreshing to hear a grown up in the democratic party to say it.
Clinton gives her take on Sanders supporters in leaked fundraising recording
I for one find this kind of talk refreshing. If she would speak like this about the left more often she could actually convince people like me to support her.
You might support her if she put down and labeled more groups of voters? Or because she sounds like she's being honest because she thought no one could hear her?
Because her summation of the left flank of the democratic base is correct. Someone needs to tell those kids in the basement to wake up.
Clinton gives her take on Sanders supporters in leaked fundraising recording
I for one find this kind of talk refreshing. If she would speak like this about the left more often she could actually convince people like me to support her.
You might support her if she put down and labeled more groups of voters? Or because she sounds like she's being honest because she thought no one could hear her?
Because her summation of the left flank of the democratic base is correct. Someone needs to tell those kids in the basement to wake up.
So you think generalizing an entire and large group of voters can be labeled "kids living in their parents basements". Here's some news for you. There are more baby boomers, Independents, and Generation Xers in that group than you can imagine. She has it all wrong, but you can keep believing what she says.
I am not saying that it is politically smart but is nice to hear a democratic candidate tell their base that there is no such thing as a free lunch. You can't just have free education or free healthcare. Everything comes at a cost and millenials need to know that. Bernie was only selling a bunch of nonsense and it's refreshing to hear a grown up in the democratic party to say it.
You have it all wrong. It doesn't matter. You'll choose to believe fairy tales because you choose to, and then say it's accurate. Whatev.
"Whatev"...I had more faith in you then that Free.
Hey, people are free to believe whatever they want.
Your system ceases to exist if it were to be voluntary.
Government: Ideas so great they'll force you to pay for them.
what country currently operates under the economic system that you prefer?
You don't really get forced to pay. You can elect to not make anything and they'll pay you. Winning!
But they'll have their armed goon squads come and kidnap you first and throw you in a cage.
Again, ideas so good you are forced to participate.
Didn't answer the question asked of you, as usual. Another arrogant deflection.
Yawn.
Your candidate went from being flat broke when they moved out of the White House to be worth north of $250,000,000. How does someone who has a lifetime of "public service" gain so much wealth in such a short amount or time when their max "public service" salary was $400,000 a year?
I won't hold my breath waiting for an answer.
She did that by billing what the market would pay. Seems like you'd be in to that.
Your system ceases to exist if it were to be voluntary.
Government: Ideas so great they'll force you to pay for them.
what country currently operates under the economic system that you prefer?
You don't really get forced to pay. You can elect to not make anything and they'll pay you. Winning!
But they'll have their armed goon squads come and kidnap you first and throw you in a cage.
Again, ideas so good you are forced to participate.
Didn't answer the question asked of you, as usual. Another arrogant deflection.
Yawn.
Your candidate went from being flat broke when they moved out of the White House to be worth north of $250,000,000. How does someone who has a lifetime of "public service" gain so much wealth in such a short amount or time when their max "public service" salary was $400,000 a year?
I won't hold my breath waiting for an answer.
She did that by billing what the market would pay. Seems like you'd be in to that.
Pay/bribed. Tomato/to(mah)to.
Last I checked EVERY politician, no matter who they are or what they claim to represent, happily take money from "questionable" sources.
Here's something I don't get, people praise Bernie for always staying true to his ideas, but this is a guy who considers himself a Democratic Socialist. He only comes around as a Democrat when he wants the backing that the party can give him. So he's selling out all he stands for so he can get democratic money and resources.
Here's something I don't get, people praise Bernie for always staying true to his ideas, but this is a guy who considers himself a Democratic Socialist. He only comes around as a Democrat when he wants the backing that the party can give him. So he's selling out all he stands for so he can get democratic money and resources.
Bernie ran as a Democrat because he believed that was the only possible why he might get elected and be able to put his ideas into practice, not to "get democratic money and resources". I'm sorry, but that notion is ridiculous and only shows that you really haven't followed what Sanders has been doing. It's OK with me if you want to throw out a notion like that but those noodles are not sticking to the fridge.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Here's something I don't get, people praise Bernie for always staying true to his ideas, but this is a guy who considers himself a Democratic Socialist. He only comes around as a Democrat when he wants the backing that the party can give him. So he's selling out all he stands for so he can get democratic money and resources.
We've only been talking about that and explaining it for about a year now. (Thanks, Brian) Apparently, the answer I gave to you when you said that ALL politicians accept money from questionable sources was not good enough? But it is true. Sanders did not only NOT take money but it was part of his platform to get money out of politics. If you dislike him, fine, but don't state untrue things when you don't know jack about his campaign. (It's obvious) Just saying. Obama got lobbyist money out of DNC campaigning, but DWS w/ Clinton repealed it.
There are good people in politics. Absolutely. I've met and worked with many over the years. And these are mostly people from Illinois...aka the most corrupt state in the union.
And this sums up why we can't trust Johnson on the environment: "Johnson accepts that "climate change is occurring, and that human activity is contributing to it, including through greenhouse gases." But he plans to rely on the "marketplace" to "facilitate the free exchange of new, efficient, carbon-friendly processes and technologies."
I would only take this into consideration if I could see the same kind of grading done by the following organizations and compiled to create an average score. If this were done, I can almost guarantee you would see quite different results. One organization alone, especially a for-profit magazine is probably not your best resource for making such comparisons.
Natural Resources Defense Council Wildlands Network Sea Shepherd Conservation Societ Nature Conservancy Union of Concerned Scientists Greenpeace Environmental Defense Defenders of Wildlife Ocean Futures Society Earthjustice
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I would only take this into consideration if I could see the same kind of grading done by the following organizations and compiled to create an average score. If this were done, I can almost guarantee you would see quite different results. One organization alone, especially a for-profit magazine is probably not your best resource for making such comparisons.
Natural Resources Defense Council Wildlands Network Sea Shepherd Conservation Societ Nature Conservancy Union of Concerned Scientists Greenpeace Environmental Defense Defenders of Wildlife Ocean Futures Society Earthjustice
Then lobby these orgs to do that. Seems silly to disregard the one org that did it.
I would only take this into consideration if I could see the same kind of grading done by the following organizations and compiled to create an average score. If this were done, I can almost guarantee you would see quite different results. One organization alone, especially a for-profit magazine is probably not your best resource for making such comparisons.
Natural Resources Defense Council Wildlands Network Sea Shepherd Conservation Societ Nature Conservancy Union of Concerned Scientists Greenpeace Environmental Defense Defenders of Wildlife Ocean Futures Society Earthjustice
Then lobby these orgs to do that. Seems silly to disregard the one org that did it.
Not silly at all. Considering this one source only- particularly this kind of source- can only lead to false conclusions. The organizations I listed specifically deal with environment, which is what the grading is supposed to be based on, whereas Scientific American is more focused on science and technology.
How familiar are you with the organizations I listed?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I would only take this into consideration if I could see the same kind of grading done by the following organizations and compiled to create an average score. If this were done, I can almost guarantee you would see quite different results. One organization alone, especially a for-profit magazine is probably not your best resource for making such comparisons.
Natural Resources Defense Council Wildlands Network Sea Shepherd Conservation Societ Nature Conservancy Union of Concerned Scientists Greenpeace Environmental Defense Defenders of Wildlife Ocean Futures Society Earthjustice
Scientific American is no lightweight Brian. I think it is a very good resource. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it.
Scientific American (informally abbreviated SciAm) is an American popular science magazine. Many famous scientists, including Albert Einstein, have contributed articles in the past 170 years. It is the oldest continuously published monthly magazine in the United States.
I would only take this into consideration if I could see the same kind of grading done by the following organizations and compiled to create an average score. If this were done, I can almost guarantee you would see quite different results. One organization alone, especially a for-profit magazine is probably not your best resource for making such comparisons.
Natural Resources Defense Council Wildlands Network Sea Shepherd Conservation Societ Nature Conservancy Union of Concerned Scientists Greenpeace Environmental Defense Defenders of Wildlife Ocean Futures Society Earthjustice
Scientific American is no lightweight Brian. I think it is a very good resource. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it.
Scientific American (informally abbreviated SciAm) is an American popular science magazine. Many famous scientists, including Albert Einstein, have contributed articles in the past 170 years. It is the oldest continuously published monthly magazine in the United States.
I'm not dismissing S.A. What I am saying is this grading alone is not a great way to assess the environmental aspects of the candidates. I mean really, HRC 64, Stein 44? No way. Just to start with, Clinton supports fracking. I could go on but, please, use some common sense. Do some research about what the two actually say about environmental issues.
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“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I would only take this into consideration if I could see the same kind of grading done by the following organizations and compiled to create an average score. If this were done, I can almost guarantee you would see quite different results. One organization alone, especially a for-profit magazine is probably not your best resource for making such comparisons.
Natural Resources Defense Council Wildlands Network Sea Shepherd Conservation Societ Nature Conservancy Union of Concerned Scientists Greenpeace Environmental Defense Defenders of Wildlife Ocean Futures Society Earthjustice
Scientific American is no lightweight Brian. I think it is a very good resource. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it.
Scientific American (informally abbreviated SciAm) is an American popular science magazine. Many famous scientists, including Albert Einstein, have contributed articles in the past 170 years. It is the oldest continuously published monthly magazine in the United States.
I'm not dismissing S.A. What I am saying is this grading alone is not a great way to assess the environmental aspects of the candidates. I mean really, HRC 64, Stein 44? No way.
Well they are taking and grading public statements. Perhaps the grading is influenced by Clinton having more fully fleshed answers. Perhaps it's the same situation as we discussed in Bernie and poverty. His supporters may rightfully believe he would do more, but he never really laid out a plan. Maybe that's the case with Stein.
There are good people in politics. Absolutely. I've met and worked with many over the years. And these are mostly people from Illinois...aka the most corrupt state in the union.
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EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM DO IT
Here's something I don't get, people praise Bernie for always staying true to his ideas, but this is a guy who considers himself a Democratic Socialist. He only comes around as a Democrat when he wants the backing that the party can give him. So he's selling out all he stands for so he can get democratic money and resources.
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Grading the Presidential Candidates on Science
Scientific American evaluates responses from Clinton, Trump, Johnson and Stein to 20 questions
TOTALS
Clinton: 64
Trump: 7
Johnson: 30
Stein: 44
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/grading-the-presidential-candidates-on-science/?wt.mc=SA_Twitter-Share
Natural Resources Defense Council
Wildlands Network
Sea Shepherd Conservation Societ
Nature Conservancy
Union of Concerned Scientists
Greenpeace
Environmental Defense
Defenders of Wildlife
Ocean Futures Society
Earthjustice
How familiar are you with the organizations I listed?
Scientific American (informally abbreviated SciAm) is an American popular science magazine. Many famous scientists, including Albert Einstein, have contributed articles in the past 170 years. It is the oldest continuously published monthly magazine in the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_American