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Maybe no one answered you because there are no "apologists" here.Free said:I'm gonna go back and ask the question I was asking yesterday that nobody answered. Why do you apologists do what you do? What do you get out of this sort of intense loyalty for a candidate who will inevitably lead us? Is it to be on a "winning" team? Why and how are you guys OK with the candidate who does not answer questions. Do you guys do this with other people too? Because it is very Orwellian.
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First off, I'm not crying. Trump is a joke and he'd never get my vote, and I'm sure a lot of progressives feel the same way I do. There is no sense in me wasting my time on this forum talking about that idiot. I do however, debate with republicans on an almost daily bases.Degeneratefk said:
Oh, ok.tonifig8 said:
You are the excuse. She may not have too, but the point here isn't whether she has to or not- it's the fact that clintonites on here aren't outraged because she isn't out there defending her positions or speaking clearly to the American people. That practice should be unacceptable for any politician. She is polling at 60% unfavorable. The rest of us who are also a part of this country and a part of the political process would like answers and more answers. I'm not talking about conspiracies. I'm talking about real issues and real situations. I shouldn't have to turn to twitter to get answers. All the while issues continue to pop up and are never truly addressed. Think about it. In 9 months a shit load of things have happened. Some of those issues have now been forgotten and others continue to pile up. I sure as hell don't record every issue on my diary, so I can't keep up with things that pop up and become part of the past. Come the debates and there won't be enough time to cover all that happens.Degeneratefk said:No, no excuses. The FACT is the HRC isn't holding press conferences because SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO.
How is that an excuse?
The press is suppose to keep these politicians on check, not give us their opinions on what they think the candidate is implying with their tweets. It's a practical approach and we should never make an excuse for these politicians
When have you ever voted for a candidate after seeing them in a press conference?
As for your second comment regarding me voting for someone based on their press conferences, that's very simple. I vote on the information. I take all angles when it comes to voting for a candidate. one of those angles represents what they say during press conferences. If they crack or can't handle that pressure then that candidate is weak and probably wouldn't make the best candidate. This isn't new or something revolutionary. As a matter of fact this is really a waste of time. we wouldn't be making noise on this topic if it weren't for the fact that it's been 9 months and the fact that you are defending a politician that isn't facing the general public0 -
Denial, excusing, defending, apologizing, deflecting, blaming Trump. Over and over and over again with no objective criticism of Clinton. If that's not loyalty and being an apologist I don't know what is.Gern Blansten said:
Maybe no one answered you because there are no "apologists" here.Free said:I'm gonna go back and ask the question I was asking yesterday that nobody answered. Why do you apologists do what you do? What do you get out of this sort of intense loyalty for a candidate who will inevitably lead us? Is it to be on a "winning" team? Why and how are you guys OK with the candidate who does not answer questions. Do you guys do this with other people too? Because it is very Orwellian.
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Good God people I don't mean to offend, I want you guys to wake up and be an active citizen of this country we demand better!0
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Do you work for the trump campaign?Free said:Fellow posters, you are STILL merely making excuse after excuse for Clinton!!
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Do you work for the trump campaign?Free said:Fellow posters, you are STILL merely making excuse after excuse for Clinton!!
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Was it deflection when you asked members here if they worked for the Clinton campaign? I believe it was more of an accusation. Ok, enough harassing other members here. If you have something to discuss in a topic, stick to the topic instead of talking about other members and name-calling.
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Well that's what's offensive. You are so stuck in your own head and point of view that you think no one else is even awake or an active citizen.Free said:Good God people I don't mean to offend, I want you guys to wake up and be an active citizen of this country we demand better!
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Why do I have to post my criticism of Hillary on a message board to justify my support for her? When did you ever vote for a candidate that you thought was perfect? When will we see your list of questions that you want asked and answered by Hillary at a press conference?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Respect fully, when a Clinton super PAC admitted to paying people to online defend her, they are out there we just don't know what forums they are on.Kat said:Was it deflection when you asked members here if they worked for the Clinton campaign? I believe it was more of an accusation. Ok, enough harassing other members here. If you have something to discuss in a topic, stick to the topic instead of talking about other members and name-calling.
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I never said you were crying.tonifig8 said:
First off, I'm not crying. Trump is a joke and he'd never get my vote, and I'm sure a lot of progressives feel the same way I do. There is no sense in me wasting my time on this forum talking about that idiot. I do however, debate with republicans on an almost daily bases.Degeneratefk said:
Oh, ok.tonifig8 said:
You are the excuse. She may not have too, but the point here isn't whether she has to or not- it's the fact that clintonites on here aren't outraged because she isn't out there defending her positions or speaking clearly to the American people. That practice should be unacceptable for any politician. She is polling at 60% unfavorable. The rest of us who are also a part of this country and a part of the political process would like answers and more answers. I'm not talking about conspiracies. I'm talking about real issues and real situations. I shouldn't have to turn to twitter to get answers. All the while issues continue to pop up and are never truly addressed. Think about it. In 9 months a shit load of things have happened. Some of those issues have now been forgotten and others continue to pile up. I sure as hell don't record every issue on my diary, so I can't keep up with things that pop up and become part of the past. Come the debates and there won't be enough time to cover all that happens.Degeneratefk said:No, no excuses. The FACT is the HRC isn't holding press conferences because SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO.
How is that an excuse?
The press is suppose to keep these politicians on check, not give us their opinions on what they think the candidate is implying with their tweets. It's a practical approach and we should never make an excuse for these politicians
When have you ever voted for a candidate after seeing them in a press conference?
As for your second comment regarding me voting for someone based on their press conferences, that's very simple. I vote on the information. I take all angles when it comes to voting for a candidate. one of those angles represents what they say during press conferences. If they crack or can't handle that pressure then that candidate is weak and probably wouldn't make the best candidate. This isn't new or something revolutionary. As a matter of fact this is really a waste of time. we wouldn't be making noise on this topic if it weren't for the fact that it's been 9 months and the fact that you are defending a politician that isn't facing the general public
You're so dead set on Hilary doing a press conference when there's a 0% chance you're going to vote for her either way.will myself to find a home, a home within myself
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When you start looking at Clinton as an objective candidate for this country, and not as an unquestionable leader. Straight out of 1984.Halifax2TheMax said:Why do I have to post my criticism of Hillary on a message board to justify my support for her? When did you ever vote for a candidate that you thought was perfect? When will we see your list of questions that you want asked and answered by Hillary at a press conference?
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Nobody, except for a couple here, is defending hilary. I'm NOT voting for her. Not because she isn't doing press conferences. But because she is a danger to the way I make a living. But I also understand that press conferences do not make or a break ANY candidate. But you guys can keep beating your heads again st the wall over irrelevant shit when you are not voting for her either way.Free said:I'm gonna go back and ask the question I was asking yesterday that nobody answered. Why do you apologists do what you do? What do you get out of this sort of intense loyalty for a candidate who will inevitably lead us? Is it to be on a "winning" team? Why and how are you guys OK with the candidate who does not answer questions. Do you guys do this with other people too? Because it is very Orwellian.
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Have you ever thought that you may be the one that needs to wake up? Maybe your way isn't the best or even only way.Free said:Good God people I don't mean to offend, I want you guys to wake up and be an active citizen of this country we demand better!
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Not to mention, while you Rail against everyone for not answering your questions (when we all have, you just do the like the answer), youve deflected every question posed to you.will myself to find a home, a home within myself
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You are doing a great job rooting them out.Free said:
Respect fully, when a Clinton super PAC admitted to paying people to online defend her, they are out there we just don't know what forums they are on.Kat said:Was it deflection when you asked members here if they worked for the Clinton campaign? I believe it was more of an accusation. Ok, enough harassing other members here. If you have something to discuss in a topic, stick to the topic instead of talking about other members and name-calling.
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she learned that trick from AIPAC. they been payin people for years for their continued online support of apartheid0
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Yes, we need to be sure that Palestine has a freer hand to oppress women and gays. I like your selective outrage.rssesq said:she learned that trick from AIPAC. they been payin people for years for their continued online support of apartheid
Still waiting on your response on Professional Responsibility. Do you operate under a different ethics code than HRC did in the 70's?0 -
Isn't paying people to work for you and support you in public forums kinda what a campaign is?0
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I've already stated a few. You don't have to post shit. I'm not sure who is arguing the case that there are perfect politicians out there.Halifax2TheMax said:Why do I have to post my criticism of Hillary on a message board to justify my support for her? When did you ever vote for a candidate that you thought was perfect? When will we see your list of questions that you want asked and answered by Hillary at a press conference?
9 months without a press conference is unacceptable, whether it's Clinton, bush, Obama, a local politician, or anyone running for office. We need to test these people and we need to hear answers to several questions. Not conspiracy related. There is nothing wrong with demanding that from all our leaders. None of them should be immune to it0
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