The threat of intelligent Muslim kids!

PJfanwillneverleave1

^^^
I would know if my kid(s) were to build things like this and take them to school.
I would also inform the school prior to.

badbrains

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
I would know if my kid(s) were to build things like this and take them to school.
I would also inform the school prior to.

You're cool

northerndragon

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

badbrains said:

I hope this kid gets the BEST civil rights lawyer or top dog out there and sues the shit out of the town, police department and state. These idiots won't learn until it starts costing the town and state money. Fuck these bigot assholes.

And I just saw the chief of police on Chris Hayes actually say that when they held Ahmad in interrogation, Ahmad didn't have the right to his parents or lawyer being there. There is NO WAY that that can possible be legal. Diesnt everyone have the right to remain silent and talk to a lawyer. Tell me I'm not wrong. Is this real? No fucken way that that's the law.

No where has it been said that he wasn't read his rights.

They legally don't have to read him rights until he is officially charged and that didn't happen until the end of the ordeal. So what they did do was interrogate him unlawfully without representation. Also FYI according to the Texas Family Code Chapter 52.02 the way Ahmed was detained and questioned( without proper representation as outlined in the code) was unlawful. You can't pick which laws you can follow and not follow, especially if you're officers of the law. This was just a shit show of ignorance and bigotry and every time you defend it you defend those practices in our society. We cannot be accountable for our shortfalls and failings unless we are first willing to admit that they exist and what they are. Stop putting the onus all on the kid and start holding some adults responsible, for the love!

PJfanwillneverleave1

northerndragon said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

badbrains said:

I hope this kid gets the BEST civil rights lawyer or top dog out there and sues the shit out of the town, police department and state. These idiots won't learn until it starts costing the town and state money. Fuck these bigot assholes.

And I just saw the chief of police on Chris Hayes actually say that when they held Ahmad in interrogation, Ahmad didn't have the right to his parents or lawyer being there. There is NO WAY that that can possible be legal. Diesnt everyone have the right to remain silent and talk to a lawyer. Tell me I'm not wrong. Is this real? No fucken way that that's the law.

No where has it been said that he wasn't read his rights.

They legally don't have to read him rights until he is officially charged and that didn't happen until the end of the ordeal. So what they did do was interrogate him unlawfully without representation. Also FYI according to the Texas Family Code Chapter 52.02 the way Ahmed was detained and questioned( without proper representation as outlined in the code) was unlawful. You can't pick which laws you can follow and not follow, especially if you're officers of the law. This was just a shit show of ignorance and bigotry and every time you defend it you defend those practices in our society. We cannot be accountable for our shortfalls and failings unless we are first willing to admit that they exist and what they are. Stop putting the onus all on the kid and start holding some adults responsible, for the love!

Again,
Nowhere has it been stipulated that he wasn't read his rights.

northerndragon

If he was hypothetically read his rights then they still violated the law which states that they must contact and allow a parent, legal guardian or lawyer to be present for all for all further questioning. So whether they read him his rights or not they violated the Texas Family Code( a bunch of laws pertaining to minors for those of you that don't want to look it up), which is breaking the law. So unless you are advocating breaking the law I suggest you find a different flimsy platform to stand on.

PJfanwillneverleave1

Is there a timeframe that they have to contact a parent, legal guardian or lawyer?
By law of course.

ldent42

badbrains said:

I hope this kid gets the BEST civil rights lawyer or top dog out there and sues the shit out of the town, police department and state. These idiots won't learn until it starts costing the town and state money. Fuck these bigot assholes.

And I just saw the chief of police on Chris Hayes actually say that when they held Ahmad in interrogation, Ahmad didn't have the right to his parents or lawyer being there. There is NO WAY that that can possible be legal. Diesnt everyone have the right to remain silent and talk to a lawyer. Tell me I'm not wrong. Is this real? No fucken way that that's the law.

I'm not a lawyer but I think that under the patriot act it is in fact legal. Because he would have been detained or brought in for questioning under suspicion of terrorism. Which my auto correct changed to Taoism. Which is hilarious.

jnimhaoileoin

badbrains said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

badbrains said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

badbrains said:

I hope this kid gets the BEST civil rights lawyer or top dog out there and sues the shit out of the town, police department and state. These idiots won't learn until it starts costing the town and state money. Fuck these bigot assholes.

And I just saw the chief of police on Chris Hayes actually say that when they held Ahmad in interrogation, Ahmad didn't have the right to his parents or lawyer being there. There is NO WAY that that can possible be legal. Diesnt everyone have the right to remain silent and talk to a lawyer. Tell me I'm not wrong. Is this real? No fucken way that that's the law.

No where has it been said that he wasn't read his rights.

You're missing the whole fucken point. You a father? Would you be angry if this happened to your kid? 4 fucken hours without you or a lawyer present? Who knows what the fuck they were trying to frame this kid. Think about it. How long before they realized it wasn't a bomb? I'll give them the benefit and say 20 mins. Now knowing how dumb they're gonna look when this is gonna come out, let's see if this kid can at least give us something we can use as an excuse. 4 fucken hrs without parents or lawyer after they realized it wasn't a bomb. Why? Think about.

He can build a clock but not understand his rights?
Unfair.

Stop it, you're being silly. And I'd say he did a pretty good job for a 14 year old to not give them anything worth getting them out of this fucken mess. Dude, you bug me out sometimes. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. It's like you post to go "against" the grain to just go "against" the grain. You know deep down inside that you'd flip if this happened to your kid. But lucky for you your kids name is prob mike and he's white as my eyes after I use visiene A.

I'm with you on this one. Maybe that's partly because I hope some people say the things they say on this forum just to get a reaction, as the thought that they actually believe what they're saying is far more worrying!

callen

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

northerndragon said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

badbrains said:

I hope this kid gets the BEST civil rights lawyer or top dog out there and sues the shit out of the town, police department and state. These idiots won't learn until it starts costing the town and state money. Fuck these bigot assholes.

And I just saw the chief of police on Chris Hayes actually say that when they held Ahmad in interrogation, Ahmad didn't have the right to his parents or lawyer being there. There is NO WAY that that can possible be legal. Diesnt everyone have the right to remain silent and talk to a lawyer. Tell me I'm not wrong. Is this real? No fucken way that that's the law.

No where has it been said that he wasn't read his rights.

They legally don't have to read him rights until he is officially charged and that didn't happen until the end of the ordeal. So what they did do was interrogate him unlawfully without representation. Also FYI according to the Texas Family Code Chapter 52.02 the way Ahmed was detained and questioned( without proper representation as outlined in the code) was unlawful. You can't pick which laws you can follow and not follow, especially if you're officers of the law. This was just a shit show of ignorance and bigotry and every time you defend it you defend those practices in our society. We cannot be accountable for our shortfalls and failings unless we are first willing to admit that they exist and what they are. Stop putting the onus all on the kid and start holding some adults responsible, for the love!

Again,
Nowhere has it been stipulated that he wasn't read his rights.

And no where has it been stated he was read is rights. So why think that they were? They didn't have probable cause so would think not. And really does it matter. He had a clock. He was 14 years old. And I sure as heck won't throw out rights in the name of fighting crime/terrorism. We have rights to protect us. This is not North Korea.

rr165892

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Is there a timeframe that they have to contact a parent, legal guardian or lawyer?
By law of course.

The kid should never have been let to leave school property without parental notification.thats a big No no.And I'm sure there is going to be legality issues on that point alone.Most school districts have police of there own and if there was a concern the child should have been taken out of class and if questioning was to take place it should be on school grounds with an adult present.period.

Hey Ahmed,What is this what did you make?
A clock.
It looks like a bomb.
It's not a bomb,it's a school project to show mr so and so.Ive been working on it all week.Just ask my PARENTS they encouraged and help me..........

Discussion should have led to a phone call with 30 seconds of questioning.

Last-12-Exit

badbrains said:

I hope this kid gets the BEST civil rights lawyer or top dog out there and sues the shit out of the town, police department and state. These idiots won't learn until it starts costing the town and state money. Fuck these bigot assholes.

And I just saw the chief of police on Chris Hayes actually say that when they held Ahmad in interrogation, Ahmad didn't have the right to his parents or lawyer being there. There is NO WAY that that can possible be legal. Diesnt everyone have the right to remain silent and talk to a lawyer. Tell me I'm not wrong. Is this real? No fucken way that that's the law.

He most certainly does have the right to be silent. But remember, he wasn't under arrest at that time. What's so bad about a kid being questioned about a suspicious device? You guys are throwing the race card around a little too quickly in my opinion. This kid wasn't beaten, or abused.

He can get the best lawyer in the nation and he still won't sue. Nothing illegal was done to him. I don't know what the protocols are for detaining a suspect, but it doesn't appear that anything here was done illegally.


I don't know why the anger of this kids parents have anything to do with this. Of course they were angry. Of course they were scared. So what? The question here is did the police do something wrong? I say they didn't.

josevolution

Last-12-Exit said:

badbrains said:

I hope this kid gets the BEST civil rights lawyer or top dog out there and sues the shit out of the town, police department and state. These idiots won't learn until it starts costing the town and state money. Fuck these bigot assholes.

And I just saw the chief of police on Chris Hayes actually say that when they held Ahmad in interrogation, Ahmad didn't have the right to his parents or lawyer being there. There is NO WAY that that can possible be legal. Diesnt everyone have the right to remain silent and talk to a lawyer. Tell me I'm not wrong. Is this real? No fucken way that that's the law.

He most certainly does have the right to be silent. But remember, he wasn't under arrest at that time. What's so bad about a kid being questioned about a suspicious device? You guys are throwing the race card around a little too quickly in my opinion. This kid wasn't beaten, or abused.

He can get the best lawyer in the nation and he still won't sue. Nothing illegal was done to him. I don't know what the protocols are for detaining a suspect, but it doesn't appear that anything here was done illegally.


I don't know why the anger of this kids parents have anything to do with this. Of course they were angry. Of course they were scared. So what? The question here is did the police do something wrong? I say they didn't.

Dude if my kid was taken out If school in hand cuffs with out my knowledge you better believe I'm getting a lawyer and you better believe there are a bunch of lawyers who would take this case in a NY minute ...

josevolution

When my kids were in high school if they went to the nurses office id get a call at work letting me know , you tell me this kid was hand cuffed & taken out of school with out my knowledge that's ok what world do you live in Last-exit ??

Godfather.

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

People need to step back and look at the big picture.
Once you have a suspicion of a bomb you don't get "someone else" to check that is not qualified(science teacher)
Bomb squads check for you - no one else can make the determination otherwise once a suspicious device is at the attention.
The only mistake done here is not calling the bomb squad and immediately evacuating.
No ones rights were violated whatsoever.
"Uh, excuse me Mr. Science teacher I feel like this may be a bomb. Can you check it for me"?
Any normal person would say fuck you check it yourself. - or call the police, whatever suits your fancy.
The situation was cleared up, no one was hurt. Now the kid is making international friends at a ferocious pace. Sounds like the poor little offended muslim is doing allright. Good for him.
The suspension should still stand. Rules are rules at school. We all know that. When we are away we trust others with our kids at school.
This outrage is ridiculous, get over it.

BRAVO ! great post

Godfather.

Godfather.

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

Kat said:

Oh he was violated all right. He was forced to do a perp walk in front of the other students to the patrol car. At 14 that's EVERYTHING. For a freaking clock. I've heard on the news that he won't be going back to that school...looking for a new one. I hope they'll be able to find one with intelligent people teaching and administering.
grrrrrr.

I know you don't post much or like to respond to posts but what is the difference between a kid being suspended or expelled for bringing a toy gun or even as simple as praying at school, after all the school shootings that have happened don't you think using a little caution is called for ? kid's his age and younger have killed grown men, the school and the people who spotted this "home made clock" should be praised for looking out for the safety of the other students and faculty...wouldn't you think ?

Godfather.

I have never heard of a kid being hauled off by the police for 4 hours of interrogation for having a toy gun at school - usually teachers would just look at the thing and figure about what it really is, which the teachers apparently failed to do in this case of the clock - and a gun replica of an actual weapon. How do you not see the difference between a gun and clock anyway?

good grief you people......the only fucking reason you guy's are putting on this show is because he's a muslim.

some times I just have to laugh.

Godfather.

Last-12-Exit

josevolution said:

When my kids were in high school if they went to the nurses office id get a call at work letting me know , you tell me this kid was hand cuffed & taken out of school with out my knowledge that's ok what world do you live in Last-exit ??

I live in the real world. It's a sad world. But it is a world where schools aren't a safe haven as they were in the past. In a world where a kid can be questioned for bringing a suspicious device I.to a school. You can live in your sue happy world. That's fine. Until something new comes out that shows this kid was abused in some way, I will continue to believe this there will be no lawsuit.

josevolution

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

People need to step back and look at the big picture.
Once you have a suspicion of a bomb you don't get "someone else" to check that is not qualified(science teacher)
Bomb squads check for you - no one else can make the determination otherwise once a suspicious device is at the attention.
The only mistake done here is not calling the bomb squad and immediately evacuating.
No ones rights were violated whatsoever.
"Uh, excuse me Mr. Science teacher I feel like this may be a bomb. Can you check it for me"?
Any normal person would say fuck you check it yourself. - or call the police, whatever suits your fancy.
The situation was cleared up, no one was hurt. Now the kid is making international friends at a ferocious pace. Sounds like the poor little offended muslim is doing allright. Good for him.
The suspension should still stand. Rules are rules at school. We all know that. When we are away we trust others with our kids at school.
This outrage is ridiculous, get over it.

Just the fact you called this poor little offended Muslim is repulsive , how about calling him
By his name

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

People need to step back and look at the big picture.
Once you have a suspicion of a bomb you don't get "someone else" to check that is not qualified(science teacher)
Bomb squads check for you - no one else can make the determination otherwise once a suspicious device is at the attention.
The only mistake done here is not calling the bomb squad and immediately evacuating.
No ones rights were violated whatsoever.
"Uh, excuse me Mr. Science teacher I feel like this may be a bomb. Can you check it for me"?
Any normal person would say fuck you check it yourself. - or call the police, whatever suits your fancy.
The situation was cleared up, no one was hurt. Now the kid is making international friends at a ferocious pace. Sounds like the poor little offended muslim is doing allright. Good for him.
The suspension should still stand. Rules are rules at school. We all know that. When we are away we trust others with our kids at school.
This outrage is ridiculous, get over it.

Just the fact that you don't even address him by his name Ahmed is enough to see your bigotry , Poor little offended Muslim this is what you wrote ...you are a Neanderthal just like two or three others here ....

josevolution

Last-12-Exit said:

josevolution said:

When my kids were in high school if they went to the nurses office id get a call at work letting me know , you tell me this kid was hand cuffed & taken out of school with out my knowledge that's ok what world do you live in Last-exit ??

I live in the real world. It's a sad world. But it is a world where schools aren't a safe haven as they were in the past. In a world where a kid can be questioned for bringing a suspicious device I.to a school. You can live in your sue happy world. That's fine. Until something new comes out that shows this kid was abused in some way, I will continue to believe this there will be no lawsuit.

He wasn't just ? He was hand cuffed and interrogated with out his lawful guardians who happen to be his parents ...what don't you get about this being wrong ?

Last-12-Exit

josevolution said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

People need to step back and look at the big picture.
Once you have a suspicion of a bomb you don't get "someone else" to check that is not qualified(science teacher)
Bomb squads check for you - no one else can make the determination otherwise once a suspicious device is at the attention.
The only mistake done here is not calling the bomb squad and immediately evacuating.
No ones rights were violated whatsoever.
"Uh, excuse me Mr. Science teacher I feel like this may be a bomb. Can you check it for me"?
Any normal person would say fuck you check it yourself. - or call the police, whatever suits your fancy.
The situation was cleared up, no one was hurt. Now the kid is making international friends at a ferocious pace. Sounds like the poor little offended muslim is doing allright. Good for him.
The suspension should still stand. Rules are rules at school. We all know that. When we are away we trust others with our kids at school.
This outrage is ridiculous, get over it.

Just the fact you called this poor little offended Muslim is repulsive , how about calling him
By his name

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

People need to step back and look at the big picture.
Once you have a suspicion of a bomb you don't get "someone else" to check that is not qualified(science teacher)
Bomb squads check for you - no one else can make the determination otherwise once a suspicious device is at the attention.
The only mistake done here is not calling the bomb squad and immediately evacuating.
No ones rights were violated whatsoever.
"Uh, excuse me Mr. Science teacher I feel like this may be a bomb. Can you check it for me"?
Any normal person would say fuck you check it yourself. - or call the police, whatever suits your fancy.
The situation was cleared up, no one was hurt. Now the kid is making international friends at a ferocious pace. Sounds like the poor little offended muslim is doing allright. Good for him.
The suspension should still stand. Rules are rules at school. We all know that. When we are away we trust others with our kids at school.
This outrage is ridiculous, get over it.

Just the fact that you don't even address him by his name Ahmed is enough to see your bigotry , Poor little offended Muslim this is what you wrote ...you are a Neanderthal just like two or three others here ....

I sure as hell wouldn't think you'd be saying I am a bigot or a Neanderthal. I don't give a fuck what this kids religion is. I'm pretty sure that if you read my posts throughout this thread thread, you'd see that I have not mentioned anything about his religion. Why would you consider me a Neanderthal because I don't think this kids parents can sue the police?

Have you thought for a second about what would have happened if this was some sort of bomb? What would your reaction have been then? It's the world we live in today. God forbid you put a suspect in handcuffs. Let's not embarrass anyone. We may get sued if parents get mad.

josevolution

Last-12-Exit said:

josevolution said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

People need to step back and look at the big picture.
Once you have a suspicion of a bomb you don't get "someone else" to check that is not qualified(science teacher)
Bomb squads check for you - no one else can make the determination otherwise once a suspicious device is at the attention.
The only mistake done here is not calling the bomb squad and immediately evacuating.
No ones rights were violated whatsoever.
"Uh, excuse me Mr. Science teacher I feel like this may be a bomb. Can you check it for me"?
Any normal person would say fuck you check it yourself. - or call the police, whatever suits your fancy.
The situation was cleared up, no one was hurt. Now the kid is making international friends at a ferocious pace. Sounds like the poor little offended muslim is doing allright. Good for him.
The suspension should still stand. Rules are rules at school. We all know that. When we are away we trust others with our kids at school.
This outrage is ridiculous, get over it.

Just the fact you called this poor little offended Muslim is repulsive , how about calling him
By his name

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

People need to step back and look at the big picture.
Once you have a suspicion of a bomb you don't get "someone else" to check that is not qualified(science teacher)
Bomb squads check for you - no one else can make the determination otherwise once a suspicious device is at the attention.
The only mistake done here is not calling the bomb squad and immediately evacuating.
No ones rights were violated whatsoever.
"Uh, excuse me Mr. Science teacher I feel like this may be a bomb. Can you check it for me"?
Any normal person would say fuck you check it yourself. - or call the police, whatever suits your fancy.
The situation was cleared up, no one was hurt. Now the kid is making international friends at a ferocious pace. Sounds like the poor little offended muslim is doing allright. Good for him.
The suspension should still stand. Rules are rules at school. We all know that. When we are away we trust others with our kids at school.
This outrage is ridiculous, get over it.

Just the fact that you don't even address him by his name Ahmed is enough to see your bigotry , Poor little offended Muslim this is what you wrote ...you are a Neanderthal just like two or three others here ....

I sure as hell wouldn't think you'd be saying I am a bigot or a Neanderthal. I don't give a fuck what this kids religion is. I'm pretty sure that if you read my posts throughout this thread thread, you'd see that I have not mentioned anything about his religion. Why would you consider me a Neanderthal because I don't think this kids parents can sue the police?

Have you thought for a second about what would have happened if this was some sort of bomb? What would your reaction have been then? It's the world we live in today. God forbid you put a suspect in handcuffs. Let's not embarrass anyone. We may get sued if parents get mad.

No I wasn't talking about you being a Neanderthal .... And yeah I'd be fucking furious is you put my kid in cuffs and interrogated Him with out me in the room ...