The threat of intelligent Muslim kids!
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I think most of the outrage comes not from a little erring on the side of caution but the blatant overreaction and then mistreatment of Ahmed.
There was already a person in the school that had verified the device, when asked by another teacher what was making the noise he openly and truthfully showed her what was there. Fine if you want to be cautious ask him to go to the office with you. Once there ask him more detailed questions - at which time I'm pretty sure there would have been some mention of the engineering teacher. At no time was there any report of aggression, attempted deceit or even anger.
To then take that to the extreme of confining and interrogating a child(who wasn't hanging out with the wrong crowd or in the wrong place at the wrong time) and then arresting him on bogus charges for something they had already determined to not be dangerous and at no time was it portrayed by Ahmed to be as such. This was just completely bigoted, asshole adults being the worst they could be and to a child no less. For as much as we want to think how grown up 14 can be you are still a child, especially if your more book smart than street smart.
Really, there is being cautious and then there is just being shit human beings. There is a difference and they were not on the right side of it.Anything you lose from being honest
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Yeah, exactly. The school completely overreacted - I think it's absolutely ridiculous. It's right along the lines of the kid who was suspended from class because he pointed a rubber band at his teacher.callen said:
Yeah I'd be concerned too RR but once they determined not a bomb give it back. Little talk on why it could scare and I call his parents.rr165892 said:^^^^^^^^^^^ After some investigative reporting I found the menacing looking clock Ahmed built.Easy to see the problem here.Its quite apparent.
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Yeah surely it would have been quicker (and less insane) to just ask the engineering teacher to take a quick look at it. It's really sad that the other teacher evidently lives in such a state of fear that she looks at a clock and sees a bomb...0
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Who gives a fuck if he was muslim.
It would have happened to anyone.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article35548035.html
Grow up kid.
Deal with it.
Wha, wha, wha, police hurt my feelings today Whaaa0 -
"Well you're brown and the people in your school are suspicious of brown people so make sure you don't do anything that might upset them."
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Well that's a mature responsePJfanwillneverleave1 said:Who gives a fuck if he was muslim.
It would have happened to anyone.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article35548035.html
Grow up kid.
Deal with it.
Wha, wha, wha, police hurt my feelings today Whaaa
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I did not speak for you.g under p said:
Like I said earlier you may not think anything that happened to Ahmed caused him any trauma based on possibly what happened to you in your incident at 17. However, please don't speak me I felt devastated as to what happened to me that cops could act that way when I didn't do a damn thing. I don't know maybe you were more of a bad ass than I at that age and incidents such as those had no effect on you. Good for you.Last-12-Exit said:Yes, I've been handcuffed. First at age 17. I was falsely accused of having a bag of weed. I was cuffed, taken to the police station, and questioned until 2am until my sister came and got me. It was more of an annoyance than traumatizing.
Sure, it could have turned out much differently if I was a black kid or even Hispanic. But I am not. There was no verbal or physical abuse. I did not feel my rights were violated. I chalked it up to being in the wrong place at the wrong time and choosing to hang out with the wrong people. It taught me a lesson.
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Lol, Ahmed was still given a three day suspension.....PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Who gives a fuck if he was muslim.
It would have happened to anyone.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article35548035.html
Grow up kid.
Deal with it.
Wha, wha, wha, police hurt my feelings today Whaaa
During Wednesday's news conference with Ahmed and his family, the teen told reporters that he has no desire to meet with MacArthur High School to further discuss the ordeal and has already made his decision to transfer to another school.
He added that he was suspended for the clock for three days -- a punishment that Weaver said had not been lifted, even though police concluded that Ahmed's invention was not a bomb.
"Even though that particular item did not pose an immediately dangerous situation to the school, we cannot allow items on campus that can be perceived to pose a threat," Weaver added. "It's devastating that schools and public places like movie theaters across our country have experienced terrible tragedies and because of that we have to learn from that."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/ahmed-mohameds-high-school-back-supports-teacher-reported/story?id=33829785
....because the item he brought to school posed a perceived threat. I'm glad he's thinking of transferring to another school. Maybe there they have a science or robotic club or maybe Ahmed could start one.
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.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
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You spoke to meLast-12-Exit said:
I did not speak for you.g under p said:
Like I said earlier you may not think anything that happened to Ahmed caused him any trauma based on possibly what happened to you in your incident at 17. However, please don't speak me I felt devastated as to what happened to me that cops could act that way when I didn't do a damn thing. I don't know maybe you were more of a bad ass than I at that age and incidents such as those had no effect on you. Good for you.Last-12-Exit said:Yes, I've been handcuffed. First at age 17. I was falsely accused of having a bag of weed. I was cuffed, taken to the police station, and questioned until 2am until my sister came and got me. It was more of an annoyance than traumatizing.
Sure, it could have turned out much differently if I was a black kid or even Hispanic. But I am not. There was no verbal or physical abuse. I did not feel my rights were violated. I chalked it up to being in the wrong place at the wrong time and choosing to hang out with the wrong people. It taught me a lesson.
Peace
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)0 -
Did I miss something here? Did I offend you?g under p said:
You spoke to meLast-12-Exit said:
I did not speak for you.g under p said:
Like I said earlier you may not think anything that happened to Ahmed caused him any trauma based on possibly what happened to you in your incident at 17. However, please don't speak me I felt devastated as to what happened to me that cops could act that way when I didn't do a damn thing. I don't know maybe you were more of a bad ass than I at that age and incidents such as those had no effect on you. Good for you.Last-12-Exit said:Yes, I've been handcuffed. First at age 17. I was falsely accused of having a bag of weed. I was cuffed, taken to the police station, and questioned until 2am until my sister came and got me. It was more of an annoyance than traumatizing.
Sure, it could have turned out much differently if I was a black kid or even Hispanic. But I am not. There was no verbal or physical abuse. I did not feel my rights were violated. I chalked it up to being in the wrong place at the wrong time and choosing to hang out with the wrong people. It taught me a lesson.
Peace
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Nope, we appear to simply have a disagreement on the subject matter at hand.Last-12-Exit said:
Did I miss something here? Did I offend you?g under p said:
You spoke to meLast-12-Exit said:
I did not speak for you.g under p said:
Like I said earlier you may not think anything that happened to Ahmed caused him any trauma based on possibly what happened to you in your incident at 17. However, please don't speak me I felt devastated as to what happened to me that cops could act that way when I didn't do a damn thing. I don't know maybe you were more of a bad ass than I at that age and incidents such as those had no effect on you. Good for you.Last-12-Exit said:Yes, I've been handcuffed. First at age 17. I was falsely accused of having a bag of weed. I was cuffed, taken to the police station, and questioned until 2am until my sister came and got me. It was more of an annoyance than traumatizing.
Sure, it could have turned out much differently if I was a black kid or even Hispanic. But I am not. There was no verbal or physical abuse. I did not feel my rights were violated. I chalked it up to being in the wrong place at the wrong time and choosing to hang out with the wrong people. It taught me a lesson.
Peace
Peace
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)0 -
People need to step back and look at the big picture.
Once you have a suspicion of a bomb you don't get "someone else" to check that is not qualified(science teacher)
Bomb squads check for you - no one else can make the determination otherwise once a suspicious device is at the attention.
The only mistake done here is not calling the bomb squad and immediately evacuating.
No ones rights were violated whatsoever.
"Uh, excuse me Mr. Science teacher I feel like this may be a bomb. Can you check it for me"?
Any normal person would say fuck you check it yourself. - or call the police, whatever suits your fancy.
The situation was cleared up, no one was hurt. Now the kid is making international friends at a ferocious pace. Sounds like the poor little offended muslim is doing allright. Good for him.
The suspension should still stand. Rules are rules at school. We all know that. When we are away we trust others with our kids at school.
This outrage is ridiculous, get over it.
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But what rule did he break?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:People need to step back and look at the big picture.
Once you have a suspicion of a bomb you don't get "someone else" to check that is not qualified(science teacher)
Bomb squads check for you - no one else can make the determination otherwise once a suspicious device is at the attention.
The only mistake done here is not calling the bomb squad and immediately evacuating.
No ones rights were violated whatsoever.
"Uh, excuse me Mr. Science teacher I feel like this may be a bomb. Can you check it for me"?
Any normal person would say fuck you check it yourself. - or call the police, whatever suits your fancy.
The situation was cleared up, no one was hurt. Now the kid is making international friends at a ferocious pace. Sounds like the poor little offended muslim is doing allright. Good for him.
The suspension should still stand. Rules are rules at school. We all know that. When we are away we trust others with our kids at school.
This outrage is ridiculous, get over it."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
It appears Ahmed IS A bright kid and is taking the advise of other wise students such as Kiera Wilmot who went through something similar. He seems to be not letting this incident get the best of him and is moving on to another school for possibly a fresh start to his high school studies.
Peace*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)0 -
Causing an unnecessary disturbance.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
But what rule did he break?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:People need to step back and look at the big picture.
Once you have a suspicion of a bomb you don't get "someone else" to check that is not qualified(science teacher)
Bomb squads check for you - no one else can make the determination otherwise once a suspicious device is at the attention.
The only mistake done here is not calling the bomb squad and immediately evacuating.
No ones rights were violated whatsoever.
"Uh, excuse me Mr. Science teacher I feel like this may be a bomb. Can you check it for me"?
Any normal person would say fuck you check it yourself. - or call the police, whatever suits your fancy.
The situation was cleared up, no one was hurt. Now the kid is making international friends at a ferocious pace. Sounds like the poor little offended muslim is doing allright. Good for him.
The suspension should still stand. Rules are rules at school. We all know that. When we are away we trust others with our kids at school.
This outrage is ridiculous, get over it.
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Being brown, the little shit. The nerve!Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
But what rule did he break?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:People need to step back and look at the big picture.
Once you have a suspicion of a bomb you don't get "someone else" to check that is not qualified(science teacher)
Bomb squads check for you - no one else can make the determination otherwise once a suspicious device is at the attention.
The only mistake done here is not calling the bomb squad and immediately evacuating.
No ones rights were violated whatsoever.
"Uh, excuse me Mr. Science teacher I feel like this may be a bomb. Can you check it for me"?
Any normal person would say fuck you check it yourself. - or call the police, whatever suits your fancy.
The situation was cleared up, no one was hurt. Now the kid is making international friends at a ferocious pace. Sounds like the poor little offended muslim is doing allright. Good for him.
The suspension should still stand. Rules are rules at school. We all know that. When we are away we trust others with our kids at school.
This outrage is ridiculous, get over it."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Somewhat like you.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Causing an unnecessary disturbance.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
But what rule did he break?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:People need to step back and look at the big picture.
Once you have a suspicion of a bomb you don't get "someone else" to check that is not qualified(science teacher)
Bomb squads check for you - no one else can make the determination otherwise once a suspicious device is at the attention.
The only mistake done here is not calling the bomb squad and immediately evacuating.
No ones rights were violated whatsoever.
"Uh, excuse me Mr. Science teacher I feel like this may be a bomb. Can you check it for me"?
Any normal person would say fuck you check it yourself. - or call the police, whatever suits your fancy.
The situation was cleared up, no one was hurt. Now the kid is making international friends at a ferocious pace. Sounds like the poor little offended muslim is doing allright. Good for him.
The suspension should still stand. Rules are rules at school. We all know that. When we are away we trust others with our kids at school.
This outrage is ridiculous, get over it.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
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I think the adults broke the rule if that's the case.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Causing an unnecessary disturbance.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
But what rule did he break?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:People need to step back and look at the big picture.
Once you have a suspicion of a bomb you don't get "someone else" to check that is not qualified(science teacher)
Bomb squads check for you - no one else can make the determination otherwise once a suspicious device is at the attention.
The only mistake done here is not calling the bomb squad and immediately evacuating.
No ones rights were violated whatsoever.
"Uh, excuse me Mr. Science teacher I feel like this may be a bomb. Can you check it for me"?
Any normal person would say fuck you check it yourself. - or call the police, whatever suits your fancy.
The situation was cleared up, no one was hurt. Now the kid is making international friends at a ferocious pace. Sounds like the poor little offended muslim is doing allright. Good for him.
The suspension should still stand. Rules are rules at school. We all know that. When we are away we trust others with our kids at school.
This outrage is ridiculous, get over it."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
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Yes it turned out the adults were wrong on what it was.
They certainly were not wrong for their actions.
I don't know the plethora of rules that particular school has but I am sure that a person as intelligent as this kid is should have known this would cause a stir bringing that to school.
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