Refugee crisis

dignin

jerparker20

pjhawks said:

rgambs said:

Has anyone else noted that the core of anti-refugee sentiment is the notion that American lives are inherently more valuable than Syrian lives? It's insane, and it's so widespread I am starting to feel as embarassed to be an American as I was in '01 to '08.

i'm not sure i would characterize it exactly as that but it does feel a lot like the end of 2001. The 'drilling for fear' sentiment is just crazy by these so-called leaders. they make it seem like ISIS is going to be on every corner in America if we take refugees in. Pretty sad and frightening from so called leaders.

As someone who works with young adult refugees, all this fear mongering and xenophobic ranting in this country at this moment disgusts me to no end.
These young people I work with are the most amazing, resilient, and thankful people I've ever met.

When I hear these loons spouting shit like "would you take these people into your home," I gladly reply "Yes. Yes I would."

I could go on, but I'll just get more pissed than I already am.

PJfanwillneverleave1

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dignin

josevolution

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

jerparker20 said:

pjhawks said:

rgambs said:

Has anyone else noted that the core of anti-refugee sentiment is the notion that American lives are inherently more valuable than Syrian lives? It's insane, and it's so widespread I am starting to feel as embarassed to be an American as I was in '01 to '08.

i'm not sure i would characterize it exactly as that but it does feel a lot like the end of 2001. The 'drilling for fear' sentiment is just crazy by these so-called leaders. they make it seem like ISIS is going to be on every corner in America if we take refugees in. Pretty sad and frightening from so called leaders.

As someone who works with young adult refugees, all this fear mongering and xenophobic ranting in this country at this moment disgusts me to no end.
These young people I work with are the most amazing, resilient, and thankful people I've ever met.

When I hear these loons spouting shit like "would you take these people into your home," I gladly reply "Yes. Yes I would."

I could go on, but I'll just get more pissed than I already am.

Well of course they are!
They have been fully vetted and screened.

The ones that are coming here have you numbskull they are been screened stringently at the camps that they are in as far as I know they are not washing up on our shores , man you are a fear monger of the highest level ....

josevolution

It takes approximately 12 to 24 months to process a refugee before they are granted access to this country ....

Gern Blansten

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/jeb-bush-gets-stumped-gop-candidate-cant-explain-how-refugees-will-prove-theyre-christian/

you know...if you take a position like that shouldn't you expect a question like this?

Total dumbass

Aafke

Gern Blansten said:

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/jeb-bush-gets-stumped-gop-candidate-cant-explain-how-refugees-will-prove-theyre-christian/

you know...if you take a position like that shouldn't you expect a question like this?

Total dumbass

No Christians have never been on the side of terrorism... Wasn't the pope during WWII not pro Germany? And how about all those Crusades, all peaceful weren't they? Just an other walk in the park...

Dirtie_Frank

What about this:
“Is there just one in a million Syrians willing to fight for Syria? Is that the deal? Is it?” Matthews asked. “Would just one in a million Americans be willing to fight for our country?”

Matthews continued his pondering over the two numbers by implying that the Islamic State could be taking Syria “from people who would rather leave for the West.”

“Some said here last night that we can’t ask Syrians to fight for their country because they have families,” Matthews said. “Well, tell that to the American families, those we care most about, who have a member of their family on their fourth-deployment right now.”

“Is it too much to ask that the Syrians lead the fight to retake Syria?” Matthew continued. “It is their country. Unless they’re willing to abandon it. And what do we think of people who do that? And besides, even if we, the United States and other European countries overthrew ISIS, we’d still have to turn Syria over to somebody. If we had Syrians playing the rightful part in the liberation of their country, they would be the ones taking it over.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/11/18/chris-matthews-briefly-breaks-with-left-highlights-two-numbers-on-syrian-refugee-crisis-that-dont-make-sense/

dignin

While some Americans and Canadians cower in fear and give in to terrorists, the French do the opposite.

After Attacks, France Increases Its Commitment To Refugees

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/18/3723440/france-refugees/

Paris restaurants defy terrorism in the most French way possible
Parisians dine and drink amid the chaos

http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/18/9753906/paris-attacks-restaurant-bar-tous-au-bistrot-campaign

mickeyrat

Dirtie_Frank said:

What about this:
“Is there just one in a million Syrians willing to fight for Syria? Is that the deal? Is it?” Matthews asked. “Would just one in a million Americans be willing to fight for our country?”

Matthews continued his pondering over the two numbers by implying that the Islamic State could be taking Syria “from people who would rather leave for the West.”

“Some said here last night that we can’t ask Syrians to fight for their country because they have families,” Matthews said. “Well, tell that to the American families, those we care most about, who have a member of their family on their fourth-deployment right now.”

“Is it too much to ask that the Syrians lead the fight to retake Syria?” Matthew continued. “It is their country. Unless they’re willing to abandon it. And what do we think of people who do that? And besides, even if we, the United States and other European countries overthrew ISIS, we’d still have to turn Syria over to somebody. If we had Syrians playing the rightful part in the liberation of their country, they would be the ones taking it over.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/11/18/chris-matthews-briefly-breaks-with-left-highlights-two-numbers-on-syrian-refugee-crisis-that-dont-make-sense/

Seems to me thats how it began with little to no outside help. Only outside groups exploiting an opportunity.

Syrians remain there looking to fight for their betterment.

PJ_Soul

dignin said:

While some Americans and Canadians cower in fear and give in to terrorists, the French do the opposite.

After Attacks, France Increases Its Commitment To Refugees

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/18/3723440/france-refugees/

Paris restaurants defy terrorism in the most French way possible
Parisians dine and drink amid the chaos

http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/18/9753906/paris-attacks-restaurant-bar-tous-au-bistrot-campaign

To be fair, it seems to me that most Canadians, along with their government, are not cowering in fear and feel the same way France does. It's just a minority of idiots who are vocal online and a handful of moronic Conservatives who are cowering, and they are pretty much being ignored at this point.
(probably also need to note that there are the same kinds of idiots in France... there is a vocal opposition to the reasoned and human official response over there too)

dignin

PJ_Soul said:

dignin said:

While some Americans and Canadians cower in fear and give in to terrorists, the French do the opposite.

After Attacks, France Increases Its Commitment To Refugees

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/18/3723440/france-refugees/

Paris restaurants defy terrorism in the most French way possible
Parisians dine and drink amid the chaos

http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/18/9753906/paris-attacks-restaurant-bar-tous-au-bistrot-campaign

To be fair, it seems to me that most Canadians, along with their government, are not cowering in fear and feel the same way France does. It's just a minority of idiots who are vocal online and a handful of moronic Conservatives who are cowering, and they are pretty much being ignored at this point.
(probably also need to note that there are the same kinds of idiots in France... there is a vocal opposition to the reasoned and human official response over there too)

I did say some.

And a majority of Canadians.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/majority-of-canadians-oppose-trudeaus-plan-to-bring-25000-syrian-refugees-over-in-just-six-weeks-poll

Edit: 29% don't want them here. 53% think not enough time to screen them.

bootlegger10

PJ_Soul said:

dignin said:

While some Americans and Canadians cower in fear and give in to terrorists, the French do the opposite.

After Attacks, France Increases Its Commitment To Refugees

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/18/3723440/france-refugees/

Paris restaurants defy terrorism in the most French way possible
Parisians dine and drink amid the chaos

http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/18/9753906/paris-attacks-restaurant-bar-tous-au-bistrot-campaign

To be fair, it seems to me that most Canadians, along with their government, are not cowering in fear and feel the same way France does. It's just a minority of idiots who are vocal online and a handful of moronic Conservatives who are cowering, and they are pretty much being ignored at this point.
(probably also need to note that there are the same kinds of idiots in France... there is a vocal opposition to the reasoned and human official response over there too)

Why are they idiots? Can't they disagree without being labeled idiots?

PJ_Soul

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

dignin said:

While some Americans and Canadians cower in fear and give in to terrorists, the French do the opposite.

After Attacks, France Increases Its Commitment To Refugees

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/18/3723440/france-refugees/

Paris restaurants defy terrorism in the most French way possible
Parisians dine and drink amid the chaos

http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/18/9753906/paris-attacks-restaurant-bar-tous-au-bistrot-campaign

To be fair, it seems to me that most Canadians, along with their government, are not cowering in fear and feel the same way France does. It's just a minority of idiots who are vocal online and a handful of moronic Conservatives who are cowering, and they are pretty much being ignored at this point.
(probably also need to note that there are the same kinds of idiots in France... there is a vocal opposition to the reasoned and human official response over there too)

Why are they idiots? Can't they disagree without being labeled idiots?

Not in this particular case IMO. Has nothing to do with the act of disagreeing. It's got everything to do with their reaction to specific circumstances and their inability to distinguish fact from fiction. Not to mention their apparent inability to realize that their reactions play directly into the hands of the terrorists. Idiots.

bootlegger10

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

dignin said:

While some Americans and Canadians cower in fear and give in to terrorists, the French do the opposite.

After Attacks, France Increases Its Commitment To Refugees

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/18/3723440/france-refugees/

Paris restaurants defy terrorism in the most French way possible
Parisians dine and drink amid the chaos

http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/18/9753906/paris-attacks-restaurant-bar-tous-au-bistrot-campaign

To be fair, it seems to me that most Canadians, along with their government, are not cowering in fear and feel the same way France does. It's just a minority of idiots who are vocal online and a handful of moronic Conservatives who are cowering, and they are pretty much being ignored at this point.
(probably also need to note that there are the same kinds of idiots in France... there is a vocal opposition to the reasoned and human official response over there too)

Why are they idiots? Can't they disagree without being labeled idiots?

Not in this particular case IMO. Has nothing to do with the act of disagreeing. It's got everything to do with their reaction to specific circumstances and their inability to distinguish fact from fiction. Not to mention their apparent inability to realize that their reactions play directly into the hands of the terrorists. Idiots.

A lot of people on here think they know what the terrorists want and how they think. if that was true we would have defeated them a long time ago.

PJ_Soul

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

dignin said:

While some Americans and Canadians cower in fear and give in to terrorists, the French do the opposite.

After Attacks, France Increases Its Commitment To Refugees

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/18/3723440/france-refugees/

Paris restaurants defy terrorism in the most French way possible
Parisians dine and drink amid the chaos

http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/18/9753906/paris-attacks-restaurant-bar-tous-au-bistrot-campaign

To be fair, it seems to me that most Canadians, along with their government, are not cowering in fear and feel the same way France does. It's just a minority of idiots who are vocal online and a handful of moronic Conservatives who are cowering, and they are pretty much being ignored at this point.
(probably also need to note that there are the same kinds of idiots in France... there is a vocal opposition to the reasoned and human official response over there too)

Why are they idiots? Can't they disagree without being labeled idiots?

Not in this particular case IMO. Has nothing to do with the act of disagreeing. It's got everything to do with their reaction to specific circumstances and their inability to distinguish fact from fiction. Not to mention their apparent inability to realize that their reactions play directly into the hands of the terrorists. Idiots.

A lot of people on here think they know what the terrorists want and how they think. if that was true we would have defeated them a long time ago.

Riiiiight.

bootlegger10

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

dignin said:

While some Americans and Canadians cower in fear and give in to terrorists, the French do the opposite.

After Attacks, France Increases Its Commitment To Refugees

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/18/3723440/france-refugees/

Paris restaurants defy terrorism in the most French way possible
Parisians dine and drink amid the chaos

http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/18/9753906/paris-attacks-restaurant-bar-tous-au-bistrot-campaign

To be fair, it seems to me that most Canadians, along with their government, are not cowering in fear and feel the same way France does. It's just a minority of idiots who are vocal online and a handful of moronic Conservatives who are cowering, and they are pretty much being ignored at this point.
(probably also need to note that there are the same kinds of idiots in France... there is a vocal opposition to the reasoned and human official response over there too)

Why are they idiots? Can't they disagree without being labeled idiots?

Not in this particular case IMO. Has nothing to do with the act of disagreeing. It's got everything to do with their reaction to specific circumstances and their inability to distinguish fact from fiction. Not to mention their apparent inability to realize that their reactions play directly into the hands of the terrorists. Idiots.

A lot of people on here think they know what the terrorists want and how they think. if that was true we would have defeated them a long time ago.

Riiiiight.

So you know how the terrorists think and what their goals are? For sure? I would think the Islamic extremists would like to see more Muslims moving into Europe. Maybe they just like chaos at the end of the day and don't give a shit about Islam.

I don't think I've called anyone on here an idiot with whom I've disagreed with. I don't think the folks on here I've disagreed with in this thread are idiots. I don't look at conservative message boards but I'm sure there is just as much hate/namecalling there of liberals. I don't care about disagreeing with people but the thing that bugs me about this board is the conceited nature of the liberals toward anyone with an alternative viewpoint.

dignin

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

dignin said:

While some Americans and Canadians cower in fear and give in to terrorists, the French do the opposite.

After Attacks, France Increases Its Commitment To Refugees

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/18/3723440/france-refugees/

Paris restaurants defy terrorism in the most French way possible
Parisians dine and drink amid the chaos

http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/18/9753906/paris-attacks-restaurant-bar-tous-au-bistrot-campaign

To be fair, it seems to me that most Canadians, along with their government, are not cowering in fear and feel the same way France does. It's just a minority of idiots who are vocal online and a handful of moronic Conservatives who are cowering, and they are pretty much being ignored at this point.
(probably also need to note that there are the same kinds of idiots in France... there is a vocal opposition to the reasoned and human official response over there too)

Why are they idiots? Can't they disagree without being labeled idiots?

Not in this particular case IMO. Has nothing to do with the act of disagreeing. It's got everything to do with their reaction to specific circumstances and their inability to distinguish fact from fiction. Not to mention their apparent inability to realize that their reactions play directly into the hands of the terrorists. Idiots.

A lot of people on here think they know what the terrorists want and how they think. if that was true we would have defeated them a long time ago.

Riiiiight.

So you know how the terrorists think and what their goals are? For sure? I would think the Islamic extremists would like to see more Muslims moving into Europe. Maybe they just like chaos at the end of the day and don't give a shit about Islam.

I don't think I've called anyone on here an idiot with whom I've disagreed with. I don't think the folks on here I've disagreed with in this thread are idiots. I don't look at conservative message boards but I'm sure there is just as much hate/namecalling there of liberals. I don't care about disagreeing with people but the thing that bugs me about this board is the conceited nature of the liberals toward anyone with an alternative viewpoint.

I have read in quite a few places that ISIS wants Syrians to stay in Syria. Hard to have a state without anyone to subjugate or populate.

As far as idiots go, I think that politicians who ignore fact and logic are either assholes or idiots....or both. A different view point is great and healthy, as long as it is based in some kind of fact or reason. The screening process is based on reason, the numbers back that up, by any measure. These certain politicians are making their decisions based on fear or playing politics....either way, they are wrong. I couldn't give a shit if they are Republican or Democrat. Idiocy has no monopoly on any party.

Chris Matthews is scared, and wrong..... and a democrat.

dignin