^^^ Often, it is simple. If you have pedo thoughts it is wrong. Acting out on those thoughts is just well....... Divulging pedo thoughts must have consequences.
Yeah yeah. Having pedo thoughts is wrong. But you seem to think that there is a way to make thoughts illegal or something.
Calling the police is not accusing someone of doing something illegal. It is a means to settle an ethical dilemma.
The police are not there to solve your ethical dilemma. If there is a crime or a suspicion of a crime then you can report it to the police. There is a very big difference between the two and if you can't see that I feel sorry for you. To use the police to solve your ethical dilemmas is a waste of their resources and not an ethical thing to do. You are effectively calling wolf every time and thereby invalidating your report. There is no cure for pedophilia, and anyone who crosses that line in anyway should be reported and charged no exceptions. But if a person recognizes that they are having deviant thoughts and seeks help without viewing child pornography or any other form of acting on their impulses then I can respect that. They are still a pedophile and will never be cured but they recognize their urges are wrong and are trying to help themselves. Also most pedophiles who actively seek help commit suicide if they feel they are unable to control their impulses. It is not those who seek treatment who we need fear the most but those who seek to hide behind their great public profiles while committing the most heinous crime behind closed doors. People like you who cry wolf at every opportunity are the reason it is so hard to report a crime and have it be believed.
Anything you lose from being honest You never really had to begin with.
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^^^ Often, it is simple. If you have pedo thoughts it is wrong. Acting out on those thoughts is just well....... Divulging pedo thoughts must have consequences.
Yeah yeah. Having pedo thoughts is wrong. But you seem to think that there is a way to make thoughts illegal or something.
Calling the police is not accusing someone of doing something illegal. It is a means to settle an ethical dilemma.
The police are not there to solve your ethical dilemma. If there is a crime or a suspicion of a crime then you can report it to the police. There is a very big difference between the two and if you can't see that I feel sorry for you. To use the police to solve your ethical dilemmas is a waste of their resources and not an ethical thing to do. You are effectively calling wolf every time and thereby invalidating your report. There is no cure for pedophilia, and anyone who crosses that line in anyway should be reported and charged no exceptions. But if a person recognizes that they are having deviant thoughts and seeks help without viewing child pornography or any other form of acting on their impulses then I can respect that. They are still a pedophile and will never be cured but they recognize their urges are wrong and are trying to help themselves. Also most pedophiles who actively seek help commit suicide if they feel they are unable to control their impulses. It is not those who seek treatment who we need fear the most but those who seek to hide behind their great public profiles while committing the most heinous crime behind closed doors. People like you who cry wolf at every opportunity are the reason it is so hard to report a crime and have it be believed.
The whole time jared fuckle was being mr subway guy his victims had nowhere to go. Your whole post disgusts.
^^^ Often, it is simple. If you have pedo thoughts it is wrong. Acting out on those thoughts is just well....... Divulging pedo thoughts must have consequences.
Yeah yeah. Having pedo thoughts is wrong. But you seem to think that there is a way to make thoughts illegal or something.
Calling the police is not accusing someone of doing something illegal. It is a means to settle an ethical dilemma.
The police are not there to solve your ethical dilemma. If there is a crime or a suspicion of a crime then you can report it to the police. There is a very big difference between the two and if you can't see that I feel sorry for you. To use the police to solve your ethical dilemmas is a waste of their resources and not an ethical thing to do. You are effectively calling wolf every time and thereby invalidating your report. There is no cure for pedophilia, and anyone who crosses that line in anyway should be reported and charged no exceptions. But if a person recognizes that they are having deviant thoughts and seeks help without viewing child pornography or any other form of acting on their impulses then I can respect that. They are still a pedophile and will never be cured but they recognize their urges are wrong and are trying to help themselves. Also most pedophiles who actively seek help commit suicide if they feel they are unable to control their impulses. It is not those who seek treatment who we need fear the most but those who seek to hide behind their great public profiles while committing the most heinous crime behind closed doors. People like you who cry wolf at every opportunity are the reason it is so hard to report a crime and have it be believed.
The whole time jared fuckle was being mr subway guy his victims had nowhere to go. Your whole post disgusts.
That is not what my post says. I know you have a propensity to only read and absorb the portions of posts that you feel apply to you, as per our own admission but please do not use that tactic to try and undermine my post. In the case of abuse then yes the authorities should be notified, he would be a case of the great public profile hiding the private sins. He was not someone who tried to seek help for his deviancy. Jared should receive a life term in my opinion as should every pedophile who has acted on their urges. I'm guessing my post disgusts you because it points out that calling the police every time you have a moral dilemma to be solved is a horrible way to use that resource. If you have a crime to report then do so. Reporting abuse is not a moral dilemma but a crime that should be reported. Reporting someone because you feel like they could be like that undermines the reports of the actual criminals. I'm sorry that you or someone close to you has experienced this horror, no one should ever have to suffer that pain, but you need to approach this, as with many things is life, with a level head to prevail. False reports do more harm than good, not everyone is ok with their deviancy and some try to stop it before it becomes a problem. Not everyone succeeds, the same with murders or rapists(truly the same thing in my opinion I don't think there should be a separate category because someone wanted to call it molestation years ago) but until there is a crime committed in any of these circumstances it is not reportable. That is the way the system works, whether we like it or not. I say this as an advocate for those who do come forward to have a better chance at being believed and achieving a conviction.
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^^^ Often, it is simple. If you have pedo thoughts it is wrong. Acting out on those thoughts is just well....... Divulging pedo thoughts must have consequences.
Yeah yeah. Having pedo thoughts is wrong. But you seem to think that there is a way to make thoughts illegal or something.
Calling the police is not accusing someone of doing something illegal. It is a means to settle an ethical dilemma.
The police are not there to solve your ethical dilemma. If there is a crime or a suspicion of a crime then you can report it to the police. There is a very big difference between the two and if you can't see that I feel sorry for you. To use the police to solve your ethical dilemmas is a waste of their resources and not an ethical thing to do. You are effectively calling wolf every time and thereby invalidating your report. There is no cure for pedophilia, and anyone who crosses that line in anyway should be reported and charged no exceptions. But if a person recognizes that they are having deviant thoughts and seeks help without viewing child pornography or any other form of acting on their impulses then I can respect that. They are still a pedophile and will never be cured but they recognize their urges are wrong and are trying to help themselves. Also most pedophiles who actively seek help commit suicide if they feel they are unable to control their impulses. It is not those who seek treatment who we need fear the most but those who seek to hide behind their great public profiles while committing the most heinous crime behind closed doors. People like you who cry wolf at every opportunity are the reason it is so hard to report a crime and have it be believed.
The whole time jared fuckle was being mr subway guy his victims had nowhere to go. Your whole post disgusts.
That is not what my post says. I know you have a propensity to only read and absorb the portions of posts that you feel apply to you, as per our own admission but please do not use that tactic to try and undermine my post. In the case of abuse then yes the authorities should be notified, he would be a case of the great public profile hiding the private sins. He was not someone who tried to seek help for his deviancy. Jared should receive a life term in my opinion as should every pedophile who has acted on their urges. I'm guessing my post disgusts you because it points out that calling the police every time you have a moral dilemma to be solved is a horrible way to use that resource. If you have a crime to report then do so. Reporting abuse is not a moral dilemma but a crime that should be reported. Reporting someone because you feel like they could be like that undermines the reports of the actual criminals. I'm sorry that you or someone close to you has experienced this horror, no one should ever have to suffer that pain, but you need to approach this, as with many things is life, with a level head to prevail. False reports do more harm than good, not everyone is ok with their deviancy and some try to stop it before it becomes a problem. Not everyone succeeds, the same with murders or rapists(truly the same thing in my opinion I don't think there should be a separate category because someone wanted to call it molestation years ago) but until there is a crime committed in any of these circumstances it is not reportable. That is the way the system works, whether we like it or not. I say this as an advocate for those who do come forward to have a better chance at being believed and achieving a conviction.
I don't "have a propensity to only read and absorb the portions of posts that I feel apply to me",
I do that when posts are uninteresting or wrong. Stop twisting this into me and stay on topic. Any deviant pedo thinker who divulges should be reported. You post again is all fluff.
Reporting someone because you feel like they could be like that undermines the reports of the actual criminals That is a weak and dangerous opinion.
but until there is a crime committed in any of these circumstances it is not reportable. - I never said it was a crime once. Not reportable? - bullshit. If jared fuckle was reported immediately to the police about his tendencies things may not (and I emphasize MAY) have gotten this far with him. Instead it festered to where he is now.
Reporting abuse is not a moral dilemma but a crime that should be reported Not sure why you need to state the obvious. I said report pedo thoughts divulged to you - big difference. I am not talking about a committed crime.
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those with thoughts that people seeking help and have not yet acted on thoughts and should be jailed or otherwise punished for nothing are the true danger to society at large and should be put to death.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
those with thoughts that people seeking help and have not yet acted on thoughts and should be jailed or otherwise punished for nothing are the true danger to society at large and should be put to death.
Well that is another puffal post. This adds zero to the jared fuckel discussion. If fact what you say makes no sense. Put to death? WTF. Why is it so hard to understand that being reported does not always end in punishment. Reporting people with pedo thoughts should always be done then they can be monitored until deemed safe. Stop arguing other points that I am not making.
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those with thoughts that people seeking help and have not yet acted on thoughts and should be jailed or otherwise punished for nothing are the true danger to society at large and should be put to death.
Well that is another puffal post. This adds zero to the jared fuckel discussion. If fact what you say makes no sense. Put to death? WTF.
you get to have YOUR fanastyland, the rest of us do too.
whats truly unfortunate is my adherance to forum guidelines in letter AND spirit prevent me from offer a suggestion.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
those with thoughts that people seeking help and have not yet acted on thoughts and should be jailed or otherwise punished for nothing are the true danger to society at large and should be put to death.
Well that is another puffal post. This adds zero to the jared fuckel discussion. If fact what you say makes no sense. Put to death? WTF.
you get to have YOUR fanastyland, the rest of us do too.
whats truly unfortunate is my adherance to forum guidelines in letter AND spirit prevent me from offer a suggestion.
This is why I say you make no sense and what you post is untrue. You are not posting what you really think. How can anyone converse with that?
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up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,858
I find it strange that one here in this thing that passes for discussion is solely focused on one bad actor in this. It baffles me why there isnt any thought or sharing of thought of these teenage girls who is to have paid for sex. Why there isnt a greater outcry for the apprehension of those in the shadows in this case in particular and in the world at large who exploit and cause more harm, ongoing harm, to young poeple worldwide , is truley sad and shows we are part of the problem here too.
of greater importance is to end the trafficking of human beings , and especially children and young people .
Where is the the outraged call to find these young women to get them help , longterm psychological help , to deal with the entirety of the horrific acts done to them.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I find it strange that one here in this thing that passes for discussion is solely focused on one bad actor in this. It baffles me why there isnt any thought or sharing of thought of these teenage girls who is to have paid for sex. Why there isnt a greater outcry for the apprehension of those in the shadows in this case in particular and in the world at large who exploit and cause more harm, ongoing harm, to young poeple worldwide , is truley sad and shows we are part of the problem here too.
of greater importance is to end the trafficking of human beings , and especially children and young people .
Where is the the outraged call to find these young women to get them help , longterm psychological help , to deal with the entirety of the horrific acts done to them.
Apparently we aren't allowed to report knowledge or suspicions of individuals that may do such things. That's a start. Countless victims would be spared if pedo divulgers were reported.
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up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,858
I find it strange that one here in this thing that passes for discussion is solely focused on one bad actor in this. It baffles me why there isnt any thought or sharing of thought of these teenage girls who is to have paid for sex. Why there isnt a greater outcry for the apprehension of those in the shadows in this case in particular and in the world at large who exploit and cause more harm, ongoing harm, to young poeple worldwide , is truley sad and shows we are part of the problem here too.
of greater importance is to end the trafficking of human beings , and especially children and young people .
Where is the the outraged call to find these young women to get them help , longterm psychological help , to deal with the entirety of the horrific acts done to them.
Apparently we aren't allowed to report knowledge or suspicions of individuals that may do such things. That's a start.
you cant seem to grasp that whats propsed and going on in germany has nothing to do with ACTUAL acts. conflating the two.
suspicion of thoughts like this? if your idea were legal , you will never know who they were until after abuse and rape had occured.
SO preventing even one young person from having to go through what my sister did is worth it. Prevent where you can , and alocate resources for those you cant. Victim focused in the aftermath of this horror. Not circular bullshit about the accused and convicted.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I don't know the story of your sister but it sounds very unfortunate.
It is not illegal to report suspicions or pedo divulges. This is active prevention.
and as yet the Law would do nothing wiht that information. Couple pages back you asked me a smartass question realted to MY syntax. I responded. Look for it. In fact it was one of the last before this latest string based on the link I posted from about the German program.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
^^^ Often, it is simple. If you have pedo thoughts it is wrong. Acting out on those thoughts is just well....... Divulging pedo thoughts must have consequences.
Yeah yeah. Having pedo thoughts is wrong. But you seem to think that there is a way to make thoughts illegal or something.
Calling the police is not accusing someone of doing something illegal. It is a means to settle an ethical dilemma.
The police are not there to solve your ethical dilemma. If there is a crime or a suspicion of a crime then you can report it to the police. There is a very big difference between the two and if you can't see that I feel sorry for you. To use the police to solve your ethical dilemmas is a waste of their resources and not an ethical thing to do. You are effectively calling wolf every time and thereby invalidating your report. There is no cure for pedophilia, and anyone who crosses that line in anyway should be reported and charged no exceptions. But if a person recognizes that they are having deviant thoughts and seeks help without viewing child pornography or any other form of acting on their impulses then I can respect that. They are still a pedophile and will never be cured but they recognize their urges are wrong and are trying to help themselves. Also most pedophiles who actively seek help commit suicide if they feel they are unable to control their impulses. It is not those who seek treatment who we need fear the most but those who seek to hide behind their great public profiles while committing the most heinous crime behind closed doors. People like you who cry wolf at every opportunity are the reason it is so hard to report a crime and have it be believed.
The whole time jared fuckle was being mr subway guy his victims had nowhere to go. Your whole post disgusts.
That is not what my post says. I know you have a propensity to only read and absorb the portions of posts that you feel apply to you, as per our own admission but please do not use that tactic to try and undermine my post. In the case of abuse then yes the authorities should be notified, he would be a case of the great public profile hiding the private sins. He was not someone who tried to seek help for his deviancy. Jared should receive a life term in my opinion as should every pedophile who has acted on their urges. I'm guessing my post disgusts you because it points out that calling the police every time you have a moral dilemma to be solved is a horrible way to use that resource. If you have a crime to report then do so. Reporting abuse is not a moral dilemma but a crime that should be reported. Reporting someone because you feel like they could be like that undermines the reports of the actual criminals. I'm sorry that you or someone close to you has experienced this horror, no one should ever have to suffer that pain, but you need to approach this, as with many things is life, with a level head to prevail. False reports do more harm than good, not everyone is ok with their deviancy and some try to stop it before it becomes a problem. Not everyone succeeds, the same with murders or rapists(truly the same thing in my opinion I don't think there should be a separate category because someone wanted to call it molestation years ago) but until there is a crime committed in any of these circumstances it is not reportable. That is the way the system works, whether we like it or not. I say this as an advocate for those who do come forward to have a better chance at being believed and achieving a conviction.
I don't "have a propensity to only read and absorb the portions of posts that I feel apply to me",
I do that when posts are uninteresting or wrong. Stop twisting this into me and stay on topic. Any deviant pedo thinker who divulges should be reported. You post again is all fluff. How can you dispute a comment and then directly state something that proves a comment true? This is the type of activity that undermines the validity of your posts. If you wish to disagree with a statement then please feel free, however using the equivalent of putting your hands over your ears and saying 'Nana nana booboo I can't hear you' is childish and unbecoming.
Reporting someone because you feel like they could be like that undermines the reports of the actual criminals That is a weak and dangerous opinion. No what is weak and dangerous is reporting everyone until it becomes common place thereby invalidating the reports of actual offenders. It is the same as all of the girls who cry rape now because they were angry with a guy. Real victims are back to not being believed as much again because of the over saturation of false and frivolous reports.
but until there is a crime committed in any of these circumstances it is not reportable. - I never said it was a crime once. Not reportable? - bullshit. If jared fuckle was reported immediately to the police about his tendencies things may not (and I emphasize MAY) have gotten this far with him. Instead it festered to where he is now. Do you have some sort of proof that he had these thoughts or leanings before he actually offended the first time(looking at child pornography counts as an offence)? I know he had instances after he began to offend that went unreported until his arrest. But that is a different scenario than someone feeling that they may have these tendencies and seeking treatment before an offense occurs.
Reporting abuse is not a moral dilemma but a crime that should be reported Not sure why you need to state the obvious. I said report pedo thoughts divulged to you - big difference. I am not talking about a committed crime. But you have talked about crimes committed and disclosed feelings interchangeably. I know you are trying to make a point but you need to pick up path otherwise your argument becomes invalid in the mix. You are aware of the legalities surrounding privileged information are you not? If you had every medical professional out there reporting everyone who said they think they feel this way, you would have a lot of people losing their licenses. If this information was disclosed to you as an individual by someone you know outside of a professional setting then yes I agree with reporting it. That is not a moral dilemma but necessary action, as if nothing else they will be required to seek treatment. I believe this was the point you were trying to make but have been too erratic and inconsistent in your arguments to espouse clearly.
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Sometimes it's not the song that makes you emotional it's the people and things that come to your mind when you hear it.
^^^^ How can you dispute a comment and then directly state something that proves a comment true? This is the type of activity that undermines the validity of your posts. If you wish to disagree with a statement then please feel free, however using the equivalent of putting your hands over your ears and saying 'Nana nana booboo I can't hear you' is childish and unbecoming. When posts are uninteresting or wrong I stop reading them. Much like about halfway through this question.
No what is weak and dangerous is reporting everyone until it becomes common place thereby invalidating the reports of actual offenders. It is the same as all of the girls who cry rape now because they were angry with a guy. Real victims are back to not being believed as much again because of the over saturation of false and frivolous reports If someone came to you in person or into a medical office and states "I am having thoughts of raping someone", what should you do? Stop comparing situations that don't apply. I have stated all along that if someone divulges pedo thoughts it should be reported. Just because you report someone does not mean punishment ensues but you can damn well bet the person reported would be interrogated and or observed.
Do you have some sort of proof that he had these thoughts or leanings before he actually offended the first time(looking at child pornography counts as an offence)? I know he had instances after he began to offend that went unreported until his arrest. But that is a different scenario than someone feeling that they may have these tendencies and seeking treatment before an offense occurs. No I do not have proof only inferences of my own from following this story. The whole storys beginning is sketchy for detailed truths. As I understand he made off the cuff remarks (pedo tendencies) to a co-worker. It stuck out in this persons mind like it should have. Your point is not clear about and too middle of the road to state someone seeking treatment before an offense occurs is not the same as offending before being arrested due to unreported events.
But you have talked about crimes committed and disclosed feelings interchangeably. I know you are trying to make a point but you need to pick up path otherwise your argument becomes invalid in the mix. Yes. In certain circumstances they are interchangeable. You agree that there is no cure for pedoism (I think?) so if said person divulges pedo tendencies the next unchecked step would be an offense. Report the fucker.
You are aware of the legalities surrounding privileged information are you not? Yes. I also believe that if a pedo divulger is placed into the care of a medical professional via report this would be far more beneficial to that person than going around divulging those thoughts with no consequence/action.
If you had every medical professional out there reporting everyone who said they think they feel this way, you would have a lot of people losing their licenses. At their level they have the power to take it higher if need be in their opinion. We as a public need to bring this stuff to their attention either directly or via police.
If this information was disclosed to you as an individual by someone you know outside of a professional setting then yes I agree with reporting it. That is not a moral dilemma but necessary action, as if nothing else they will be required to seek treatment. I believe this was the point you were trying to make but have been too erratic and inconsistent in your arguments to espouse clearly. That is a main point yes but mixed with explanations of incorrect judgements who misinterpret my words which muddle the point I am trying to make clear.
I find it strange that one here in this thing that passes for discussion is solely focused on one bad actor in this. It baffles me why there isnt any thought or sharing of thought of these teenage girls who is to have paid for sex. Why there isnt a greater outcry for the apprehension of those in the shadows in this case in particular and in the world at large who exploit and cause more harm, ongoing harm, to young poeple worldwide , is truley sad and shows we are part of the problem here too.
of greater importance is to end the trafficking of human beings , and especially children and young people .
Where is the the outraged call to find these young women to get them help , longterm psychological help , to deal with the entirety of the horrific acts done to them.
That conversation has happened on the Porch before. I know I talked about it a lot in the big 'should prostitution be decriminalization' thread. But notice the title of this thread... it's not about trafficked humans, it's about the perpetrator. But anyway, I am not src why you had to frame your thought this way. Why not just start talking about thst issue - others would have joined the discussion. Instead you made it so passive aggressive, lol.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I don't know the story of your sister but it sounds very unfortunate.
It is not illegal to report suspicions or pedo divulges. This is active prevention.
and as yet the Law would do nothing wiht that information.
Not sure about that. They would inform the proper medical authorities to the case.
Sorry but your thoughts on this are wrong. The police do not inform medical authorities in these circumstances.
Of course he's wrong. He almost seems to believe there really is such a thing as the thought police. And medical authorities?? Huh? Wtf would they do about someone who was reported to be thinking about something? PJfan, do you figure doctors would step in and do.... something or other.... only when the thoughts lean towards the pedophilic? Or do you think they are available for treating other bad thoughts too? (I am also genuinely curious to know where you would draw the line between where harmless fantasy ends and bad thoughts appropriate for medical intervention begin).
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up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,858
I find it strange that one here in this thing that passes for discussion is solely focused on one bad actor in this. It baffles me why there isnt any thought or sharing of thought of these teenage girls who is to have paid for sex. Why there isnt a greater outcry for the apprehension of those in the shadows in this case in particular and in the world at large who exploit and cause more harm, ongoing harm, to young poeple worldwide , is truley sad and shows we are part of the problem here too.
of greater importance is to end the trafficking of human beings , and especially children and young people .
Where is the the outraged call to find these young women to get them help , longterm psychological help , to deal with the entirety of the horrific acts done to them.
That conversation has happened on the Porch before. I know I talked about it a lot in the big 'should prostitution be decriminalization' thread. But notice the title of this thread... it's not about trafficked humans, it's about the perpetrator. But anyway, I am not src why you had to frame your thought this way. Why not just start talking about thst issue - others would have joined the discussion. Instead you made it so passive aggressive, lol.
No, I have addressed this very thing early on here.
Here is a fact, Jared and his sentence are a done deal. One hopes whatever info he can share with the feds allow for others to be picked up ,charged and convicted. That forensic evidence from hia commputer and whatever else leads soemwhere too.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I find it strange that one here in this thing that passes for discussion is solely focused on one bad actor in this. It baffles me why there isnt any thought or sharing of thought of these teenage girls who is to have paid for sex. Why there isnt a greater outcry for the apprehension of those in the shadows in this case in particular and in the world at large who exploit and cause more harm, ongoing harm, to young poeple worldwide , is truley sad and shows we are part of the problem here too.
of greater importance is to end the trafficking of human beings , and especially children and young people .
Where is the the outraged call to find these young women to get them help , longterm psychological help , to deal with the entirety of the horrific acts done to them.
That conversation has happened on the Porch before. I know I talked about it a lot in the big 'should prostitution be decriminalization' thread. But notice the title of this thread... it's not about trafficked humans, it's about the perpetrator. But anyway, I am not src why you had to frame your thought this way. Why not just start talking about thst issue - others would have joined the discussion. Instead you made it so passive aggressive, lol.
Here is a fact, Jared and his sentence are a done deal. One hopes whatever info he can share with the feds allow for others to be picked up ,charged and convicted. That forensic evidence from hia commputer and whatever else leads soemwhere too.
Too little too late. You think fuckle will give more info out? Doubtful. Imagine if others could be prevented from being picked up, charged and convicted all because they were reported of having pedo thoughts.
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up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,858
I find it strange that one here in this thing that passes for discussion is solely focused on one bad actor in this. It baffles me why there isnt any thought or sharing of thought of these teenage girls who is to have paid for sex. Why there isnt a greater outcry for the apprehension of those in the shadows in this case in particular and in the world at large who exploit and cause more harm, ongoing harm, to young poeple worldwide , is truley sad and shows we are part of the problem here too.
of greater importance is to end the trafficking of human beings , and especially children and young people .
Where is the the outraged call to find these young women to get them help , longterm psychological help , to deal with the entirety of the horrific acts done to them.
That conversation has happened on the Porch before. I know I talked about it a lot in the big 'should prostitution be decriminalization' thread. But notice the title of this thread... it's not about trafficked humans, it's about the perpetrator. But anyway, I am not src why you had to frame your thought this way. Why not just start talking about thst issue - others would have joined the discussion. Instead you made it so passive aggressive, lol.
Here is a fact, Jared and his sentence are a done deal. One hopes whatever info he can share with the feds allow for others to be picked up ,charged and convicted. That forensic evidence from hia commputer and whatever else leads soemwhere too.
Too little too late. You think fuckle will give more info out? Doubtful. Imagine if others could be prevented from being picked up, charged and convicted all because they were reported of having pedo thoughts.
I would suspect that it was part of the plea deal. which is why there is such a light potential sentence. Judge still has discretion despite that deal.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I find it strange that one here in this thing that passes for discussion is solely focused on one bad actor in this. It baffles me why there isnt any thought or sharing of thought of these teenage girls who is to have paid for sex. Why there isnt a greater outcry for the apprehension of those in the shadows in this case in particular and in the world at large who exploit and cause more harm, ongoing harm, to young poeple worldwide , is truley sad and shows we are part of the problem here too.
of greater importance is to end the trafficking of human beings , and especially children and young people .
Where is the the outraged call to find these young women to get them help , longterm psychological help , to deal with the entirety of the horrific acts done to them.
That conversation has happened on the Porch before. I know I talked about it a lot in the big 'should prostitution be decriminalization' thread. But notice the title of this thread... it's not about trafficked humans, it's about the perpetrator. But anyway, I am not src why you had to frame your thought this way. Why not just start talking about thst issue - others would have joined the discussion. Instead you made it so passive aggressive, lol.
Here is a fact, Jared and his sentence are a done deal. One hopes whatever info he can share with the feds allow for others to be picked up ,charged and convicted. That forensic evidence from hia commputer and whatever else leads soemwhere too.
Too little too late. You think fuckle will give more info out? Doubtful. Imagine if others could be prevented from being picked up, charged and convicted all because they were reported of having pedo thoughts.
I would suspect that it was part of the plea deal. which is why there is such a light potential sentence. Judge still has discretion despite that deal.
That is where the too little too late part comes in. There is potential for a light sentence but at the end of the day it rests with the judge. It has been passed to higher hands to deal with.
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I find it strange that one here in this thing that passes for discussion is solely focused on one bad actor in this. It baffles me why there isnt any thought or sharing of thought of these teenage girls who is to have paid for sex. Why there isnt a greater outcry for the apprehension of those in the shadows in this case in particular and in the world at large who exploit and cause more harm, ongoing harm, to young poeple worldwide , is truley sad and shows we are part of the problem here too.
of greater importance is to end the trafficking of human beings , and especially children and young people .
Where is the the outraged call to find these young women to get them help , longterm psychological help , to deal with the entirety of the horrific acts done to them.
That conversation has happened on the Porch before. I know I talked about it a lot in the big 'should prostitution be decriminalization' thread. But notice the title of this thread... it's not about trafficked humans, it's about the perpetrator. But anyway, I am not src why you had to frame your thought this way. Why not just start talking about thst issue - others would have joined the discussion. Instead you made it so passive aggressive, lol.
Here is a fact, Jared and his sentence are a done deal. One hopes whatever info he can share with the feds allow for others to be picked up ,charged and convicted. That forensic evidence from hia commputer and whatever else leads soemwhere too.
Too little too late. You think fuckle will give more info out? Doubtful. Imagine if others could be prevented from being picked up, charged and convicted all because they were reported of having pedo thoughts.
I would suspect that it was part of the plea deal. which is why there is such a light potential sentence. Judge still has discretion despite that deal.
That is where the too little too late part comes in. There is potential for a light sentence but at the end of the day it rests with the judge. It has been passed to higher hands to deal with.
Prosecutor would NEVER have offered such a deal without something major in return. No other way 7 yrs is offered. Still too light.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I find it strange that one here in this thing that passes for discussion is solely focused on one bad actor in this. It baffles me why there isnt any thought or sharing of thought of these teenage girls who is to have paid for sex. Why there isnt a greater outcry for the apprehension of those in the shadows in this case in particular and in the world at large who exploit and cause more harm, ongoing harm, to young poeple worldwide , is truley sad and shows we are part of the problem here too.
of greater importance is to end the trafficking of human beings , and especially children and young people .
Where is the the outraged call to find these young women to get them help , longterm psychological help , to deal with the entirety of the horrific acts done to them.
That conversation has happened on the Porch before. I know I talked about it a lot in the big 'should prostitution be decriminalization' thread. But notice the title of this thread... it's not about trafficked humans, it's about the perpetrator. But anyway, I am not src why you had to frame your thought this way. Why not just start talking about thst issue - others would have joined the discussion. Instead you made it so passive aggressive, lol.
Here is a fact, Jared and his sentence are a done deal. One hopes whatever info he can share with the feds allow for others to be picked up ,charged and convicted. That forensic evidence from hia commputer and whatever else leads soemwhere too.
Too little too late. You think fuckle will give more info out? Doubtful. Imagine if others could be prevented from being picked up, charged and convicted all because they were reported of having pedo thoughts.
I would suspect that it was part of the plea deal. which is why there is such a light potential sentence. Judge still has discretion despite that deal.
That is where the too little too late part comes in. There is potential for a light sentence but at the end of the day it rests with the judge. It has been passed to higher hands to deal with.
Prosecutor would NEVER have offered such a deal without something major in return. No other way 7 yrs is offered. Still too light.
Prosecutor may well be privy to the conscious of the public attention surrounding this case and the need for the law to make an example. The offer of 7yrs maybe upon condition the judge sentences no less and if so fuckle has to spill the beans.
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up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,858
I find it strange that one here in this thing that passes for discussion is solely focused on one bad actor in this. It baffles me why there isnt any thought or sharing of thought of these teenage girls who is to have paid for sex. Why there isnt a greater outcry for the apprehension of those in the shadows in this case in particular and in the world at large who exploit and cause more harm, ongoing harm, to young poeple worldwide , is truley sad and shows we are part of the problem here too.
of greater importance is to end the trafficking of human beings , and especially children and young people .
Where is the the outraged call to find these young women to get them help , longterm psychological help , to deal with the entirety of the horrific acts done to them.
That conversation has happened on the Porch before. I know I talked about it a lot in the big 'should prostitution be decriminalization' thread. But notice the title of this thread... it's not about trafficked humans, it's about the perpetrator. But anyway, I am not src why you had to frame your thought this way. Why not just start talking about thst issue - others would have joined the discussion. Instead you made it so passive aggressive, lol.
Here is a fact, Jared and his sentence are a done deal. One hopes whatever info he can share with the feds allow for others to be picked up ,charged and convicted. That forensic evidence from hia commputer and whatever else leads soemwhere too.
Too little too late. You think fuckle will give more info out? Doubtful. Imagine if others could be prevented from being picked up, charged and convicted all because they were reported of having pedo thoughts.
I would suspect that it was part of the plea deal. which is why there is such a light potential sentence. Judge still has discretion despite that deal.
That is where the too little too late part comes in. There is potential for a light sentence but at the end of the day it rests with the judge. It has been passed to higher hands to deal with.
Prosecutor would NEVER have offered such a deal without something major in return. No other way 7 yrs is offered. Still too light.
Prosecutor may well be privy to the conscious of the public attention surrounding this case and the need for the law to make an example. The offer of 7yrs maybe upon condition the judge sentences no less and if so fuckle has to spill the beans.
deal is the deal. Judge will honor it or not. HE still must abide by it or it goes away and hammer down.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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The police are not there to solve your ethical dilemma. If there is a crime or a suspicion of a crime then you can report it to the police. There is a very big difference between the two and if you can't see that I feel sorry for you. To use the police to solve your ethical dilemmas is a waste of their resources and not an ethical thing to do. You are effectively calling wolf every time and thereby invalidating your report.
There is no cure for pedophilia, and anyone who crosses that line in anyway should be reported and charged no exceptions. But if a person recognizes that they are having deviant thoughts and seeks help without viewing child pornography or any other form of acting on their impulses then I can respect that. They are still a pedophile and will never be cured but they recognize their urges are wrong and are trying to help themselves. Also most pedophiles who actively seek help commit suicide if they feel they are unable to control their impulses. It is not those who seek treatment who we need fear the most but those who seek to hide behind their great public profiles while committing the most heinous crime behind closed doors.
People like you who cry wolf at every opportunity are the reason it is so hard to report a crime and have it be believed.
You never really had to begin with.
Sometimes it's not the song that makes you emotional it's the people and things that come to your mind when you hear it.
Your whole post disgusts.
In the case of abuse then yes the authorities should be notified, he would be a case of the great public profile hiding the private sins. He was not someone who tried to seek help for his deviancy. Jared should receive a life term in my opinion as should every pedophile who has acted on their urges.
I'm guessing my post disgusts you because it points out that calling the police every time you have a moral dilemma to be solved is a horrible way to use that resource. If you have a crime to report then do so. Reporting abuse is not a moral dilemma but a crime that should be reported. Reporting someone because you feel like they could be like that undermines the reports of the actual criminals.
I'm sorry that you or someone close to you has experienced this horror, no one should ever have to suffer that pain, but you need to approach this, as with many things is life, with a level head to prevail. False reports do more harm than good, not everyone is ok with their deviancy and some try to stop it before it becomes a problem. Not everyone succeeds, the same with murders or rapists(truly the same thing in my opinion I don't think there should be a separate category because someone wanted to call it molestation years ago) but until there is a crime committed in any of these circumstances it is not reportable.
That is the way the system works, whether we like it or not. I say this as an advocate for those who do come forward to have a better chance at being believed and achieving a conviction.
You never really had to begin with.
Sometimes it's not the song that makes you emotional it's the people and things that come to your mind when you hear it.
(ND, with you but had to delete what I previously posted, lest my ass get slapped)
I do that when posts are uninteresting or wrong. Stop twisting this into me and stay on topic.
Any deviant pedo thinker who divulges should be reported. You post again is all fluff.
Reporting someone because you feel like they could be like that undermines the reports of the actual criminals That is a weak and dangerous opinion.
but until there is a crime committed in any of these circumstances it is not reportable. - I never said it was a crime once. Not reportable? - bullshit. If jared fuckle was reported immediately to the police about his tendencies things may not (and I emphasize MAY) have gotten this far with him. Instead it festered to where he is now.
Reporting abuse is not a moral dilemma but a crime that should be reported Not sure why you need to state the obvious. I said report pedo thoughts divulged to you - big difference. I am not talking about a committed crime.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
This adds zero to the jared fuckel discussion.
If fact what you say makes no sense.
Put to death? WTF.
Why is it so hard to understand that being reported does not always end in punishment. Reporting people with pedo thoughts should always be done then they can be monitored until deemed safe.
Stop arguing other points that I am not making.
whats truly unfortunate is my adherance to forum guidelines in letter AND spirit prevent me from offer a suggestion.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
How can anyone converse with that?
of greater importance is to end the trafficking of human beings , and especially children and young people .
Where is the the outraged call to find these young women to get them help , longterm psychological help , to deal with the entirety of the horrific acts done to them.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
That's a start.
Countless victims would be spared if pedo divulgers were reported.
suspicion of thoughts like this? if your idea were legal , you will never know who they were until after abuse and rape had occured.
SO preventing even one young person from having to go through what my sister did is worth it. Prevent where you can , and alocate resources for those you cant. Victim focused in the aftermath of this horror. Not circular bullshit about the accused and convicted.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
It is not illegal to report suspicions or pedo divulges.
This is active prevention.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
You never really had to begin with.
Sometimes it's not the song that makes you emotional it's the people and things that come to your mind when you hear it.
How can you dispute a comment and then directly state something that proves a comment true? This is the type of activity that undermines the validity of your posts. If you wish to disagree with a statement then please feel free, however using the equivalent of putting your hands over your ears and saying 'Nana nana booboo I can't hear you' is childish and unbecoming.
When posts are uninteresting or wrong I stop reading them. Much like about halfway through this question.
No what is weak and dangerous is reporting everyone until it becomes common place thereby invalidating the reports of actual offenders. It is the same as all of the girls who cry rape now because they were angry with a guy. Real victims are back to not being believed as much again because of the over saturation of false and frivolous reports If someone came to you in person or into a medical office and states "I am having thoughts of raping someone", what should you do? Stop comparing situations that don't apply. I have stated all along that if someone divulges pedo thoughts it should be reported. Just because you report someone does not mean punishment ensues but you can damn well bet the person reported would be interrogated and or observed.
Do you have some sort of proof that he had these thoughts or leanings before he actually offended the first time(looking at child pornography counts as an offence)? I know he had instances after he began to offend that went unreported until his arrest. But that is a different scenario than someone feeling that they may have these tendencies and seeking treatment before an offense occurs.
No I do not have proof only inferences of my own from following this story. The whole storys beginning is sketchy for detailed truths. As I understand he made off the cuff remarks (pedo tendencies) to a co-worker. It stuck out in this persons mind like it should have. Your point is not clear about and too middle of the road to state someone seeking treatment before an offense occurs is not the same as offending before being arrested due to unreported events.
But you have talked about crimes committed and disclosed feelings interchangeably. I know you are trying to make a point but you need to pick up path otherwise your argument becomes invalid in the mix. Yes. In certain circumstances they are interchangeable. You agree that there is no cure for pedoism (I think?) so if said person divulges pedo tendencies the next unchecked step would be an offense. Report the fucker.
You are aware of the legalities surrounding privileged information are you not? Yes. I also believe that if a pedo divulger is placed into the care of a medical professional via report this would be far more beneficial to that person than going around divulging those thoughts with no consequence/action.
If you had every medical professional out there reporting everyone who said they think they feel this way, you would have a lot of people losing their licenses. At their level they have the power to take it higher if need be in their opinion. We as a public need to bring this stuff to their attention either directly or via police.
If this information was disclosed to you as an individual by someone you know outside of a professional setting then yes I agree with reporting it. That is not a moral dilemma but necessary action, as if nothing else they will be required to seek treatment. I believe this was the point you were trying to make but have been too erratic and inconsistent in your arguments to espouse clearly. That is a main point yes but mixed with explanations of incorrect judgements who misinterpret my words which muddle the point I am trying to make clear.
I would say not in every case but if a person calls the police they at least have to investigate and go from there.
(I am also genuinely curious to know where you would draw the line between where harmless fantasy ends and bad thoughts appropriate for medical intervention begin).
Here is a fact, Jared and his sentence are a done deal. One hopes whatever info he can share with the feds allow for others to be picked up ,charged and convicted. That forensic evidence from hia commputer and whatever else leads soemwhere too.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Imagine if others could be prevented from being picked up, charged and convicted all because they were reported of having pedo thoughts.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
There is potential for a light sentence but at the end of the day it rests with the judge.
It has been passed to higher hands to deal with.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14