The Donald for President

InHiding80

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

JimmyV said:

Bentleyspop said:

I worry about electing someone as old as Bernie.
But if he chooses a good running mate I could be swayed.

Perhaps a certain Senator from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts?

Yep

Negative here. I'm a Democrat but Elizabeth Warren is a fool. Her policies are at the height of creating unintended consequences. Those of in financial services have seen first hand how the CFPB operates and how their "consent orders" have created a new financial services industry that is preying even more directly on low income and the least sophisticated consumers. She's targeted big banks but she doesn't understand that 'big banks' employ thousands and thousands of middle class works, non-exempts, low level managers, etc. whose livelihoods are damaged by her misguided policies. No thanks. She's a nightmare.

You spelled Hillary Clinton wrong.

However, I'm disappointed that even Warren sides with Monsanto.

InHiding80

corduroykelly said:

rgambs said:

corduroykelly said:

josevolution said:

corduroykelly said:

President Obama is driving the car with Hillary Clinton riding shotgun.

better than having this bafoon with his finger on the red button .....

Wow now you're driving that fear onto people. The liberal way.

If that's the liberal way, why is the right so much better at it?

Because their better at everything. LOL!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5SPg2afRXvE

Especially on "their" spelling.

mrussel1

InHiding80 said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

JimmyV said:

Bentleyspop said:

I worry about electing someone as old as Bernie.
But if he chooses a good running mate I could be swayed.

Perhaps a certain Senator from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts?

Yep

Negative here. I'm a Democrat but Elizabeth Warren is a fool. Her policies are at the height of creating unintended consequences. Those of in financial services have seen first hand how the CFPB operates and how their "consent orders" have created a new financial services industry that is preying even more directly on low income and the least sophisticated consumers. She's targeted big banks but she doesn't understand that 'big banks' employ thousands and thousands of middle class works, non-exempts, low level managers, etc. whose livelihoods are damaged by her misguided policies. No thanks. She's a nightmare.

You spelled Hillary Clinton wrong.

However, I'm disappointed that even Warren sides with Monsanto.

Hillary may be lots of things, but she's not a fool. She's establishment and that may or may not appeal to people. She's tightly connected with big business and broad interests. You aren't going to destroy corporations (nor should you want to), but what you can do is get them to support initiatives that enable progressive causes.. climate change, social issues, etc. Warren's relationships with business are so contentious and negative, she would never be effective in the oval office, no matter the seat.

PJPOWER

Gern Blansten said:

PJPOWER said:

callen said:

Not so sure with Bernie it's just the age thing. Even I question how things would be paid and he doesn't resonate being able to articulate his plans. Who knows maybe I'm further right than I thought.

I think that Bernie and Trump are just mascots of the extreme polarizion these days. They jump around like clowns and rile up the hardcore extremists of both sides and turn into yesterday's news. If you are still smart enough to question people on the far reaches of ideology on either side, it just makes you a person that still maintains logic and reasoning capabilities . No need to beat yourself because you do not agree with a majority opinion...

Bernie is polarizing? You need to get out of your bubble.

Absolutely, and I'll get out of my bubble as soon as you pull your head out of your ass.

PJ_Soul

Bernie really isn't polarizing though...

JimmyV

There are people who dislike Bernie. There are people who like Bernie a lot. There are many people who have no strong feeling one way or the other. That is not polarization.

PJPOWER

PJ_Soul said:

Bernie really isn't polarizing though...

How is that again? He chose to run for the democratic nomination as a self proclaimed socialist. If that is not the polar opposite of the right wing extremists, I do not know what is...besides Hellary that is! The whole political climate is polarized. Do you think some middle of the road Joe is going to win this election?

Gern Blansten

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJPOWER said:

callen said:

Not so sure with Bernie it's just the age thing. Even I question how things would be paid and he doesn't resonate being able to articulate his plans. Who knows maybe I'm further right than I thought.

I think that Bernie and Trump are just mascots of the extreme polarizion these days. They jump around like clowns and rile up the hardcore extremists of both sides and turn into yesterday's news. If you are still smart enough to question people on the far reaches of ideology on either side, it just makes you a person that still maintains logic and reasoning capabilities . No need to beat yourself because you do not agree with a majority opinion...

Bernie is polarizing? You need to get out of your bubble.

Absolutely, and I'll get out of my bubble as soon as you pull your head out of your ass.

All I see is your bubble. And you in it.

Gern Blansten

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

Bernie really isn't polarizing though...

How is that again? He chose to run for the democratic nomination as a self proclaimed socialist. If that is not the polar opposite of the right wing extremists, I do not know what is...besides Hellary that is! The whole political climate is polarized. Do you think some middle of the road Joe is going to win this election?

A Democratic Socialist. Look it up.

Gern Blansten

JimmyV said:

There are people who dislike Bernie. There are people who like Bernie a lot. There are many people who have no strong feeling one way or the other. That is not polarization.

Exactly....comparing Bernie to Trump is like comparing Bernie to nothing. There is no comparison.

PJ_Soul

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

Bernie really isn't polarizing though...

How is that again? He chose to run for the democratic nomination as a self proclaimed socialist. If that is not the polar opposite of the right wing extremists, I do not know what is...besides Hellary that is! The whole political climate is polarized. Do you think some middle of the road Joe is going to win this election?

I guess we are not on the same page when it comes to what a polarizing figure is. Just because Bernie is opposite to, say, Trump, it doesn't mean that he's polarizing. Trump is polarizing. Actually most of the Rep nominees are! But simply not being in the middle of road isn't how someone is polarizing. A polarizing figure is someone who specifically, pointedly, actively divides people. Bernie really doesn't apply IMO, while that is basically all that Trump does.
(and yeah, what Gern said. A democratic socialist is not a socialist)

mrussel1

Remember that 30-40% of the population is not engaged daily in politics. Therefore they are typically considered "moderate". They go left on some issues, right on the other. This is why post primary, it's the big swing to the middle.

So yes... we will likely continue to have moderate candidates win the presidency. Reagan is the only person in the last 50 years who could conceivably be considered solidly left or right...maybe Nixon, but remember he ran on the platform of "peace with honor", not exactly the words of a war hawk. Reagan won because he faced a very battered president who was dealing with a recession, Iran and a general malaise.

PJfanwillneverleave1

This Bernie guy....I don't see him in the headlines.
Is he the second place guy that Republicans are looking at?
He has no traction in our headlines anyway.

Gern Blansten

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

This Bernie guy....I don't see him in the headlines.
Is he the second place guy that Republicans are looking at?
He has no traction in our headlines anyway.

He isn't in the headlines because he isn't part of the clown show.

2-feign-reluctance

PJPower vs. PJSoul......this has board name main event written all over it.

PJ_Soul

2-feign-reluctance said:

PJPower vs. PJSoul......this has board name main event written all over it.

callen

Funny. Ha.

davidtrios

Trump is the only candidate who genuinely and sincerely cares about the security of the USA.

Cliffy6745

davidtrios said:

Trump is the only candidate who genuinely and sincerely cares about the security of the USA.

Stop

mrussel1

davidtrios said:

Trump is the only candidate who genuinely and sincerely cares about the security of the USA.

You're right. No one else cares. No one else gives a shit except him. Aren't we lucky.