The Donald for President

2-feign-reluctance

Do any of you honestly think Trump will get elected? If so, give me your break down, and please, no recycled garbage from the media. Many of you sound like wanna-be political scientists (sorry if there are real ones here), so go ahead, I want to hear your argument.

Gern Blansten

2-feign-reluctance said:

Do any of you honestly think Trump will get elected? If so, give me your break down, and please, no recycled garbage from the media. Many of you sound like wanna-be political scientists (sorry if there are real ones here), so go ahead, I want to hear your argument.

Not a chance. I admit to being surprised that he is still around but I can't imagine that he will even get the GOP nomination.

hedonist

callen, did your phone actually autocorrect Donald Trump to Do Alda end table??

That may be my new nickname for him.

Godfather.

2-feign-reluctance said:

Do any of you honestly think Trump will get elected? If so, give me your break down, and please, no recycled garbage from the media. Many of you sound like wanna-be political scientists (sorry if there are real ones here), so go ahead, I want to hear your argument.

if you've followed this thread at all you know why I think it's very possible, just to break down into 2 words it's this "large following" for the rest re-read my posts, no political science needed just good ol' common sense.

Godfather.

callen

hedonist said:

callen, did your phone actually autocorrect Donald Trump to Do Alda end table??

That may be my new nickname for him.

Ha. Yeah autocorrect and rushing off the bus on morning commute. Fixed.

callen

GF, well the first and only bumper sticker I've seen supported Donald.

Gern Blansten

I think it's funny how Trump attacked Rubio's financial messes and Rubio nailed him about filing bankruptcy.

Imagine someone running an anti-Trump ad with Trump's own words being used when he stated that he "took advantage of the laws available" to file bankruptcy. That will be one nail in his coffin.

HughFreakingDillon

Godfather. said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

Do any of you honestly think Trump will get elected? If so, give me your break down, and please, no recycled garbage from the media. Many of you sound like wanna-be political scientists (sorry if there are real ones here), so go ahead, I want to hear your argument.

if you've followed this thread at all you know why I think it's very possible, just to break down into 2 words it's this "large following" for the rest re-read my posts, no political science needed just good ol' common sense.

Godfather.

Guiliani had a large following as well in the beginning based on nothing but piggy-backing on his own post-9/11 celebrity. it faded when everyone realized he lacked any substance at the federal level. trump won't get nominated. he'll drop out (or won't out of stubbornness, but should have) before it's at the final stages.

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

Do any of you honestly think Trump will get elected? If so, give me your break down, and please, no recycled garbage from the media. Many of you sound like wanna-be political scientists (sorry if there are real ones here), so go ahead, I want to hear your argument.

if you've followed this thread at all you know why I think it's very possible, just to break down into 2 words it's this "large following" for the rest re-read my posts, no political science needed just good ol' common sense.

Godfather.

Guiliani had a large following as well in the beginning based on nothing but piggy-backing on his own post-9/11 celebrity. it faded when everyone realized he lacked any substance at the federal level. trump won't get nominated. he'll drop out (or won't out of stubbornness, but should have) before it's at the final stages.

Agreed....as soon as he starts having to spend a shitload of money he'll get out

mrussel1

Trump doesn't have cross over appeal to independents or moderate democrats. I quality as the latter and he certainly doesn't appeal to me as a fiscal moderate, social liberal. And remember, it doesn't matter what someone in East Texas, CA, NY, or ID thinks. Those are not swing states. It's CO, OH, FL, VA and all the usual suspects. Several of those have large Hispanic populations.

If your platform is deporting 11MM people, that's a non-starter for most of the country, certainly in those states. And what do you do with their children? Deport US citizens or pretend the 14th Amendment doesn't exist. It's a specious argument that will not fly in the general election.

And to the Godfather, what is common sense to you, is not to me. That's where polling and poly sci come into play.

2-feign-reluctance

Godfather. said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

Do any of you honestly think Trump will get elected? If so, give me your break down, and please, no recycled garbage from the media. Many of you sound like wanna-be political scientists (sorry if there are real ones here), so go ahead, I want to hear your argument.

if you've followed this thread at all you know why I think it's very possible, just to break down into 2 words it's this "large following" for the rest re-read my posts, no political science needed just good ol' common sense.

Godfather.

That wasn't directed just for you GF, sorry! However, that's a disappointing response.

pjhawks

I've said all along I don't think Trump really wants to be President. I think he joined for the PR and then woke up in the lead and had to continue. I still think he backs before the primary.

I also still believe Rubio ends up as the Republican Nominee. Still don't think Carson can get the support.. I also think Rubio is the one Republican who can win the Presidency from Hillary.

mrussel1

pjhawks said:

I've said all along I don't think Trump really wants to be President. I think he joined for the PR and then woke up in the lead and had to continue. I still think he backs before the primary.

I also still believe Rubio ends up as the Republican Nominee. Still don't think Carson can get the support.. I also think Rubio is the one Republican who can win the Presidency from Hillary.

All true statements.. I really don't have a strong opinion on Rubio at this point though. He seems invisible to me.

Gern Blansten

I don't see Rubio making it with his financial history. He's lucky he wasn't prosecuted...dude put $6000 on his GOP credit card for a paver patio at his house. He's not talking his way out of that on a national level.

I still say Bush is the eventual nominee with Hillary trouncing him in the election.

mrussel1

Gern Blansten said:

I don't see Rubio making it with his financial history. He's lucky he wasn't prosecuted...dude put $6000 on his GOP credit card for a paver patio at his house. He's not talking his way out of that on a national level.

I still say Bush is the eventual nominee with Hillary trouncing him in the election.

I don't know if that story sticks or not. I'm also not sure Bush gets it. The grass roots HATES Bush. I just hope nothing clears for Cruz. I have a definite opinion on him.

callen

pjhawks said:

I've said all along I don't think Trump really wants to be President. I think he joined for the PR and then woke up in the lead and had to continue. I still think he backs before the primary.

I also still believe Rubio ends up as the Republican Nominee. Still don't think Carson can get the support.. I also think Rubio is the one Republican who can win the Presidency from Hillary.

Good stuff. Hell Trump may have dissed Dubya his dad and McCain hoping it would end but boosted his ratings instead.

My nightmare, President Cruz.

Godfather.

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

Do any of you honestly think Trump will get elected? If so, give me your break down, and please, no recycled garbage from the media. Many of you sound like wanna-be political scientists (sorry if there are real ones here), so go ahead, I want to hear your argument.

if you've followed this thread at all you know why I think it's very possible, just to break down into 2 words it's this "large following" for the rest re-read my posts, no political science needed just good ol' common sense.

Godfather.

Guiliani had a large following as well in the beginning based on nothing but piggy-backing on his own post-9/11 celebrity. it faded when everyone realized he lacked any substance at the federal level. trump won't get nominated. he'll drop out (or won't out of stubbornness, but should have) before it's at the final stages.

you could be right no doubt and if you are I wont be surprised at all.
the pool of candidates is disappointing, as much as I am enjoying this stage play in the political arena I am worried what it is doing to our country.

Godfather.

Godfather.

Gern Blansten said:

I don't see Rubio making it with his financial history. He's lucky he wasn't prosecuted...dude put $6000 on his GOP credit card for a paver patio at his house. He's not talking his way out of that on a national level.

I still say Bush is the eventual nominee with Hillary trouncing him in the election.

agreed....but I still think Hell'ary is bad news.

Godfather.

Godfather.

2-feign-reluctance said:

Godfather. said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

Do any of you honestly think Trump will get elected? If so, give me your break down, and please, no recycled garbage from the media. Many of you sound like wanna-be political scientists (sorry if there are real ones here), so go ahead, I want to hear your argument.

if you've followed this thread at all you know why I think it's very possible, just to break down into 2 words it's this "large following" for the rest re-read my posts, no political science needed just good ol' common sense.

Godfather.

That wasn't directed just for you GF, sorry! However, that's a disappointing response.

please accept my apologies as well.

Godfather.

rgambs

A recurring Fox News guest, the ve

Shawshank said:

I said this month's ago just talking to Hispanics I know. Trump's support among Hispanics in Texas is mind boggling, but makes perfect sense...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/3/donald-trump-could-win-over-hispanics-who-fear-job/

I can say this for an absolute certainty...if he captures a decent segment of that vote, he will be President Trump. Like it or not.

Sure, Trump will win Hispanics...except that's a ridiculous fantasy.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/563caecde4b0411d307096fc

PJfanwillneverleave1

cp3iverson

The only good thing about him somehow winning is that maybe this politically correctness that has taken over will get criticized from the top.

I mean we have major cities where you cant use the term "brown bag" for lunch because it's apparently racist. Also a store using the word Christmas during uh..Christmas season is just so offensive that the earth might explode.

His only redeeming quality is that he's anti-PC.

Gern Blansten

cp3iverson said:

The only good thing about him somehow winning is that maybe this politically correctness that has taken over will get criticized from the top.

I mean we have major cities where you cant use the term "brown bag" for lunch because it's apparently racist. Also a store using the word Christmas during uh..Christmas season is just so offensive that the earth might explode.

His only redeeming quality is that he's anti-PC.

The public determines PC...not the President.

Retailers decide whether they will focus on "Christmas" rather than the holidays knowing that many of their customers are not christian. Christians are just going to have to get over it.

PJ_Soul

Gern Blansten said:

cp3iverson said:

The only good thing about him somehow winning is that maybe this politically correctness that has taken over will get criticized from the top.

I mean we have major cities where you cant use the term "brown bag" for lunch because it's apparently racist. Also a store using the word Christmas during uh..Christmas season is just so offensive that the earth might explode.

His only redeeming quality is that he's anti-PC.

The public determines PC...not the President.

Retailers decide whether they will focus on "Christmas" rather than the holidays knowing that many of their customers are not christian. Christians are just going to have to get over it.

I don't know any non-Christians who are offended by Christmas. All of them actually celebrate Christmas is some way, actually. Not in any religious way, but they are certainly just as happy to be involved in non-religious Christmas traditions with friends, etc. Some actually include it as a new family tradition, i.e. the tree, stocking for the kids, etc. Myself included. I am an Atheist, but I still do the Christmas thing. I know Muslims and Sikhs who do too.

Gern Blansten

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

cp3iverson said:

The only good thing about him somehow winning is that maybe this politically correctness that has taken over will get criticized from the top.

I mean we have major cities where you cant use the term "brown bag" for lunch because it's apparently racist. Also a store using the word Christmas during uh..Christmas season is just so offensive that the earth might explode.

His only redeeming quality is that he's anti-PC.

The public determines PC...not the President.

Retailers decide whether they will focus on "Christmas" rather than the holidays knowing that many of their customers are not christian. Christians are just going to have to get over it.

I don't know any non-Christians who are offended by Christmas. All of them actually celebrate Christmas is some way, actually. Not in any religious way, but they are certainly just as happy to be involved in non-religious Christmas traditions with friends, etc. Some actually include it as a new family tradition, i.e. the tree, stocking for the kids, etc. Myself included. I am an Atheist, but I still do the Christmas thing. I know Muslims and Sikhs who do too.

Right but a retailer might tell their workers to wish "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Xmas" to customers to be all inclusive. Right wing christians turn that into their annual "War on Christmas".

Why would you say "Merry Christmas" to a Jewish person? We can't just assume that everyone believes the same thing and get offended when people/businesses adjust for that.

I'm an atheist as well and could really care less if someone says it to me but I certainly see why businesses go for a more inclusive remark.

PJ_Soul

Gern Blansten said:

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

cp3iverson said:

The only good thing about him somehow winning is that maybe this politically correctness that has taken over will get criticized from the top.

I mean we have major cities where you cant use the term "brown bag" for lunch because it's apparently racist. Also a store using the word Christmas during uh..Christmas season is just so offensive that the earth might explode.

His only redeeming quality is that he's anti-PC.

The public determines PC...not the President.

Retailers decide whether they will focus on "Christmas" rather than the holidays knowing that many of their customers are not christian. Christians are just going to have to get over it.

I don't know any non-Christians who are offended by Christmas. All of them actually celebrate Christmas is some way, actually. Not in any religious way, but they are certainly just as happy to be involved in non-religious Christmas traditions with friends, etc. Some actually include it as a new family tradition, i.e. the tree, stocking for the kids, etc. Myself included. I am an Atheist, but I still do the Christmas thing. I know Muslims and Sikhs who do too.

Right but a retailer might tell their workers to wish "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Xmas" to customers to be all inclusive. Right wing christians turn that into their annual "War on Christmas".

Why would you say "Merry Christmas" to a Jewish person? We can't just assume that everyone believes the same thing and get offended when people/businesses adjust for that.

I'm an atheist as well and could really care less if someone says it to me but I certainly see why businesses go for a more inclusive remark.

I absolutely do say Merry Christmas to Jews and everyone else. It doesn't matter to me what religion they are. I wish people a Merry Christmas. I say it in my work emails, etc. I think the 'don't say Merry Christmas' thing is absolutely idiotic. Would you be offended if a Jew said "Happy Hanukkah" to you? Of course not. I have personally NEVER met a person who minds being wished a Merry Christmas, no matter their religion or culture (and am frankly not in the least concerned with anyone who does mind - I don't care if they find it offensive, because they are wrong idiots. I don't cater to wrong idiots).
Wishing someone a Merry Christmas does not assume that the person believes the same thing as me. I think it's a nice, polite, inclusive thing to say to someone, Not the other way around. "Merry Christmas" means something to me, and therefore it is sincere. "Happy holidays" means absolutely nothing to me. I may as well be saying "enjoy the weather".
That said, I don't give a shit what stores do. They are what ruins Christmas anyway. Switching to Happy Holidays isn't going to make any difference as far as they're concerned. Their "Christmas" is simply dollar signs, so I don't give a shit.

Gern Blansten

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

cp3iverson said:

The only good thing about him somehow winning is that maybe this politically correctness that has taken over will get criticized from the top.

I mean we have major cities where you cant use the term "brown bag" for lunch because it's apparently racist. Also a store using the word Christmas during uh..Christmas season is just so offensive that the earth might explode.

His only redeeming quality is that he's anti-PC.

The public determines PC...not the President.

Retailers decide whether they will focus on "Christmas" rather than the holidays knowing that many of their customers are not christian. Christians are just going to have to get over it.

I don't know any non-Christians who are offended by Christmas. All of them actually celebrate Christmas is some way, actually. Not in any religious way, but they are certainly just as happy to be involved in non-religious Christmas traditions with friends, etc. Some actually include it as a new family tradition, i.e. the tree, stocking for the kids, etc. Myself included. I am an Atheist, but I still do the Christmas thing. I know Muslims and Sikhs who do too.

Right but a retailer might tell their workers to wish "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Xmas" to customers to be all inclusive. Right wing christians turn that into their annual "War on Christmas".

Why would you say "Merry Christmas" to a Jewish person? We can't just assume that everyone believes the same thing and get offended when people/businesses adjust for that.

I'm an atheist as well and could really care less if someone says it to me but I certainly see why businesses go for a more inclusive remark.

I absolutely do say Merry Christmas to Jews and everyone else. It doesn't matter to me what religion they are. I wish people a Merry Christmas. I say it in my work emails, etc. I think the 'don't say Merry Christmas' thing is absolutely idiotic. Would you be offended if a Jew said "Happy Hanukkah" to you? .

I wouldn't be offended but I would think that person was really stupid.

This is exactly why retailers go the Happy Holidays route....why take the chance of offending anyone?

PJ_Soul

Gern Blansten said:

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

cp3iverson said:

The only good thing about him somehow winning is that maybe this politically correctness that has taken over will get criticized from the top.

I mean we have major cities where you cant use the term "brown bag" for lunch because it's apparently racist. Also a store using the word Christmas during uh..Christmas season is just so offensive that the earth might explode.

His only redeeming quality is that he's anti-PC.

The public determines PC...not the President.

Retailers decide whether they will focus on "Christmas" rather than the holidays knowing that many of their customers are not christian. Christians are just going to have to get over it.

I don't know any non-Christians who are offended by Christmas. All of them actually celebrate Christmas is some way, actually. Not in any religious way, but they are certainly just as happy to be involved in non-religious Christmas traditions with friends, etc. Some actually include it as a new family tradition, i.e. the tree, stocking for the kids, etc. Myself included. I am an Atheist, but I still do the Christmas thing. I know Muslims and Sikhs who do too.

Right but a retailer might tell their workers to wish "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Xmas" to customers to be all inclusive. Right wing christians turn that into their annual "War on Christmas".

Why would you say "Merry Christmas" to a Jewish person? We can't just assume that everyone believes the same thing and get offended when people/businesses adjust for that.

I'm an atheist as well and could really care less if someone says it to me but I certainly see why businesses go for a more inclusive remark.

I absolutely do say Merry Christmas to Jews and everyone else. It doesn't matter to me what religion they are. I wish people a Merry Christmas. I say it in my work emails, etc. I think the 'don't say Merry Christmas' thing is absolutely idiotic. Would you be offended if a Jew said "Happy Hanukkah" to you? .

I wouldn't be offended but I would think that person was really stupid.

This is exactly why retailers go the Happy Holidays route....why take the chance of offending anyone?

Why would you think that the person is really stupid?? (in other words, why do you think I'm stupid for doing it?)

Gern Blansten

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

cp3iverson said:

The only good thing about him somehow winning is that maybe this politically correctness that has taken over will get criticized from the top.

I mean we have major cities where you cant use the term "brown bag" for lunch because it's apparently racist. Also a store using the word Christmas during uh..Christmas season is just so offensive that the earth might explode.

His only redeeming quality is that he's anti-PC.

The public determines PC...not the President.

Retailers decide whether they will focus on "Christmas" rather than the holidays knowing that many of their customers are not christian. Christians are just going to have to get over it.

I don't know any non-Christians who are offended by Christmas. All of them actually celebrate Christmas is some way, actually. Not in any religious way, but they are certainly just as happy to be involved in non-religious Christmas traditions with friends, etc. Some actually include it as a new family tradition, i.e. the tree, stocking for the kids, etc. Myself included. I am an Atheist, but I still do the Christmas thing. I know Muslims and Sikhs who do too.

Right but a retailer might tell their workers to wish "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Xmas" to customers to be all inclusive. Right wing christians turn that into their annual "War on Christmas".

Why would you say "Merry Christmas" to a Jewish person? We can't just assume that everyone believes the same thing and get offended when people/businesses adjust for that.

I'm an atheist as well and could really care less if someone says it to me but I certainly see why businesses go for a more inclusive remark.

I absolutely do say Merry Christmas to Jews and everyone else. It doesn't matter to me what religion they are. I wish people a Merry Christmas. I say it in my work emails, etc. I think the 'don't say Merry Christmas' thing is absolutely idiotic. Would you be offended if a Jew said "Happy Hanukkah" to you? .

I wouldn't be offended but I would think that person was really stupid.

This is exactly why retailers go the Happy Holidays route....why take the chance of offending anyone?

Why would you think that the person is really stupid?? (in other words, why do you think I'm stupid for doing it?)

Why would you wish someone "Happy Hanukkah" if you had no idea that they even celebrated it?

Jews don't believe Jesus was significant so why would you say "Merry Christmas" to a Jew? Makes no sense to me.

Edit: To me it's the same as wishing everyone "Happy Grandparents Day" when you either (1) have no idea if they have grandchildren and/or (2) They are obviously too young to be grandparents (i.e. wishing a 10 year old Happy Grandparents Day)....it's no different really

PJ_Soul

Gern Blansten said:

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

cp3iverson said:

The only good thing about him somehow winning is that maybe this politically correctness that has taken over will get criticized from the top.

I mean we have major cities where you cant use the term "brown bag" for lunch because it's apparently racist. Also a store using the word Christmas during uh..Christmas season is just so offensive that the earth might explode.

His only redeeming quality is that he's anti-PC.

The public determines PC...not the President.

Retailers decide whether they will focus on "Christmas" rather than the holidays knowing that many of their customers are not christian. Christians are just going to have to get over it.

I don't know any non-Christians who are offended by Christmas. All of them actually celebrate Christmas is some way, actually. Not in any religious way, but they are certainly just as happy to be involved in non-religious Christmas traditions with friends, etc. Some actually include it as a new family tradition, i.e. the tree, stocking for the kids, etc. Myself included. I am an Atheist, but I still do the Christmas thing. I know Muslims and Sikhs who do too.

Right but a retailer might tell their workers to wish "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Xmas" to customers to be all inclusive. Right wing christians turn that into their annual "War on Christmas".

Why would you say "Merry Christmas" to a Jewish person? We can't just assume that everyone believes the same thing and get offended when people/businesses adjust for that.

I'm an atheist as well and could really care less if someone says it to me but I certainly see why businesses go for a more inclusive remark.

I absolutely do say Merry Christmas to Jews and everyone else. It doesn't matter to me what religion they are. I wish people a Merry Christmas. I say it in my work emails, etc. I think the 'don't say Merry Christmas' thing is absolutely idiotic. Would you be offended if a Jew said "Happy Hanukkah" to you? .

I wouldn't be offended but I would think that person was really stupid.

This is exactly why retailers go the Happy Holidays route....why take the chance of offending anyone?

Why would you think that the person is really stupid?? (in other words, why do you think I'm stupid for doing it?)

Why would you wish someone "Happy Hanukkah" if you had no idea that they even celebrated it?

Jews don't believe Jesus was significant so why would you say "Merry Christmas" to a Jew? Makes no sense to me.

Edit: To me it's the same as wishing everyone "Happy Grandparents Day" when you either (1) have no idea if they have grandchildren and/or (2) They are obviously too young to be grandparents (i.e. wishing a 10 year old Happy Grandparents Day)....it's no different really

I feel like it's a nice, friendly way to share the spirit of the season. I think a lot of people look at it that way. It doesn't matter if they celebrate it. You're not saying it because they celebrate. It's you expressing good wishes to them in terms that mean something to you (and therefore it means more in general). That's how I see it, and I know a lot of other people do too. It's not stupid.
I would appreciate a Jewish person saying Happy Chanukah to me. It would tell me that they are giving me good wishes in terms that matter to them. It seems inclusive.