Crowdsourcing "Unlikely to Happen"

PureandEasy

I didn't even know this existed. Sorry but, seriously? It's one thing to vehemently post Please Come To (insert town) but to actually collect money in hope of this becoming a reality?

Seriously? Wow.

moretonbayfig

Meanwhile... what happens to that $140000 collected and how does this project not constitute fraud? Crowd sourcing is for people with their own talents and projects. It is not a 'grassroots' movement by any means either.

PJ_Soul

moretonbayfig said:

Meanwhile... what happens to that $140000 collected and how does this project not constitute fraud? Crowd sourcing is for people with their own talents and projects. It is not a 'grassroots' movement by any means either.

It's not collected yet. People just pledge it. They don't pay until the thing has the go ahead (which won't happen, in this case). There is nothing financially shady about this.

PJfanwillneverleave1

PJ_Soul said:

moretonbayfig said:

Meanwhile... what happens to that $140000 collected and how does this project not constitute fraud? Crowd sourcing is for people with their own talents and projects. It is not a 'grassroots' movement by any means either.

It's not collected yet. People just pledge it. They don't pay until the thing has the go ahead (which won't happen, in this case). There is nothing financially shady about this.

If it was as easy as just pledging I wonder why a billion dollars has not been pledged so far?

PJ_Soul

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

moretonbayfig said:

Meanwhile... what happens to that $140000 collected and how does this project not constitute fraud? Crowd sourcing is for people with their own talents and projects. It is not a 'grassroots' movement by any means either.

It's not collected yet. People just pledge it. They don't pay until the thing has the go ahead (which won't happen, in this case). There is nothing financially shady about this.

If it was as easy as just pledging I wonder why a billion dollars has not been pledged so far?

I guess because not enough people are interested in it, for whatever reason. What's the number one reason? Who knows. Venue? Presentation? The concept of crowdsourcing and what it means to the band?

justam

This whole project has flaws. First of all, why "crowd-fund" a show in a place like Queens when they play in NYC and the surrounding areas very frequently? Why is there an exceptional need for a show there? It's not like it's Florida or Alaska, or someplace they have NEVER played like South Africa. I could see a project like that. A group of fans in some remote place...NY is hardly that!

Second of all, I agree with DimitrisPearlJam's assessment. The band may take notice of fans requests when it suits them (play a song, help someone propose, spread a message) but they are also distant socially. Fans can't just call 'em up and ask them to play in the backyard. A concert is their business. It's a serious activity to them, they aren't casual about music. People need to be paid and details need to be arranged. (!)

Third, I think these people collecting the money are kind of socially impaired. They are not taking the social cues that their idea isn't a good one. The bands manager even said it's unlikely to happen but like some persistent guy following a girl home, they aren't taking "No" for an answer.

That's how this all looks to me!!

RS151862

^^ Hopefully this is the last comment on this tired topic. You've nailed it perfectly.

hedonist

justam said:

This whole project has flaws. First of all, why "crowd-fund" a show in a place like Queens when they play in NYC and the surrounding areas very frequently? Why is there an exceptional need for a show there? It's not like it's Florida or Alaska, or someplace they have NEVER played like South Africa. I could see a project like that. A group of fans in some remote place...NY is hardly that!

Second of all, I agree with DimitrisPearlJam's assessment. The band may take notice of fans requests when it suits them (play a song, help someone propose, spread a message) but they are also distant socially. Fans can't just call 'em up and ask them to play in the backyard. A concert is their business. It's a serious activity to them, they aren't casual about music. People need to be paid and details need to be arranged. (!)

Third, I think these people collecting the money are kind of socially impaired. They are not taking the social cues that their idea isn't a good one. The bands manager even said it's unlikely to happen but like some persistent guy following a girl home, they aren't taking "No" for an answer.

That's how this all looks to me!!

The response(s) from the organizer hasn't done much to help the cause either.

I can't get behind how it was initially brought about here - the disingenuous introduction reduced credibility in my mind - despite subsequent comments, and some of those comments have been flat-out rude.

justam

RS151862 said:

^^ Hopefully this is the last comment on this tired topic. You've nailed it perfectly.

Thanks.

PJfanwillneverleave1

RS151862 said:

Hopefully this is the last comment on this tired topic.

I think this thread is a great discussion about crowdfunding pros and cons all round.
This first attempt at crowdfunding for a Pearl Jam show has been noted in the press.
I would like to see the pledge (donor) list and the monetary sum each provided.
At last pressing there were 575 backers for $140K.
......I could very easily say that I have 580 backers with $600K in pledges.
Show us the pledges!

whispering hands

PJ_Soul said:

Please don't get this thread closed. :(

Or banned!

whispering hands

Kat said:

CopperTom said:

I'm glad management finally commented.

Just so you know...Kelly actually responded back in early February. The Queens Courier reported that back in February but they are mostly distributed in Queens. This week's Village Voice story wasn't new news but was picked up by others because more people see their publication. That's all.
http://queenscourier.com/pearl-jams-manager-says-a-forest-hills-stadium-show-is-unlikely/

Thank you for that clarification. :-)

mfc2006

Well said, justam

whofeelslikeadrank

pdalowsky

whofeelslikeadrank said:

CopperTom said:

I'm glad management finally commented.

exactly. don't need a microscope to read between the lines here...

I'm at a loss as to why it's so hard to understand that these guys are pissing into the wind.

No one can blame them for trying though. But seriously when the horse has collapsed - step back and don't flog it

smarchee

I don't like crowds

badbrains

smarchee said:

I don't like crowds

Amen Chris, especially elitist crowds haha

whispering hands

badbrains said:

smarchee said:

I don't like crowds

Amen Chris, especially elitist crowds haha

Lol you know everybody!

badbrains

whispering hands said:

badbrains said:

smarchee said:

I don't like crowds

Amen Chris, especially elitist crowds haha

Lol you know everybody!

You must of not got the memo when you were on you hiatus, I'm the mayor of the club.

dimitrispearljam

badbrains said:

whispering hands said:

badbrains said:

smarchee said:

I don't like crowds

Amen Chris, especially elitist crowds haha

Lol you know everybody!

You must of not got the memo when you were on you hiatus, I'm the mayor of the club.

which club?..swedish boys of Amsterdam??..hehehhehhe