Crowdsourcing "Unlikely to Happen"

CopperTom

http://diffuser.fm/pearl-jam-queens-crowdfunding/?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=newsletter_5003207

CopperTom

In November 2014, a diehard Pearl Jam fan launched a crowdfunding campaign to get the band to travel to Queens for a gig at Forest Hills Stadium. While it was initially met with some backlash from fellow fans, Dan Sheffer’s campaign has raised nearly $140,000 thanks to the support of more than 575 people.

As good as the campaign seems to be doing, though, it looks like Pearl Jam have no intention of playing the concert.

“We love the passion and enthusiasm of the fans who have spearheaded Pearl Jam Crowdfund efforts,” Kelly Curtis, Pearl Jam’s manager, recently told Village Voice. “However, with more and more of these crowdfunded show proposals cropping up, we want to be clear before fans invest their earned money into these efforts that they are unlikely to happen.”

Curtis gives a bit more explanation to fans who might be scratching their heads: “The band’s shows are booked through their management and touring agents. A lot goes into scheduling, routing, producing and promoting safe and successful shows for our fans. We will continue to rely on our experts in the field to ensure this remains the case for the band’s future tours.”

Sheffer, ever the optimistic PJ fan, responded to the Voice:

We will continue to crowdfund until we receive a hard no from the Pearl Jam management. Dreams do come true and we are doing this for the thousands of fans that have supported us, visited our website, and have done charity work all for this movement. Pearl Jam are our heroes and we hope they can hear our proposal and give us more detailed feedback. We want this concert in Pearl Jam’s hands and by no means would want otherwise. We know they put on a show like no other. We are simply a grassroots movement that knows Pearl Jam Forest Hills would be amazing for the fans, the band, and the community. We remain faithful, as the song goes. We are the Forest Hills Faithful!

While Curtis didn’t deliver a “hard no,” “unlikely to happen” seems, unfortunately, pretty clear. You can stay up-to-date with the Forest Hills crowdfunding campaign here.



Read More: Pearl Jam's Manager Responds to Crowdfunding Campaign in NYC | http://diffuser.fm/pearl-jam-queens-crowdfunding/?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=newsletter_5003207&trackback=tsmclip

CopperTom

I'm glad management finally commented.

Force Of Nature

I have a bad feeling this will keep cropping up for years

BCBA

Its kind of shitty for that guy to keep plugging at this point, putting pressure on, and saying things like "dreams do come true", no?

I'm sure the band and management has heard them loud and clear.... maybe even looked into the logistics of it and found it not feasible. The "campaign" stalled months ago and it is what it was. I could see if it was rolling and keeping it going.

hsohi

BCBA said:

Its kind of shitty for that guy to keep plugging at this point, putting pressure on, and saying things like "dreams do come true", no?

I'm sure the band and management has heard them loud and clear.... maybe even looked into the logistics of it and found it not feasible. The "campaign" stalled months ago and it is what it was. I could see if it was rolling and keeping it going.

It's over Bro.....so please stop....u look foolish by continuing

Zod

hsohi said:

BCBA said:

Its kind of shitty for that guy to keep plugging at this point, putting pressure on, and saying things like "dreams do come true", no?

I'm sure the band and management has heard them loud and clear.... maybe even looked into the logistics of it and found it not feasible. The "campaign" stalled months ago and it is what it was. I could see if it was rolling and keeping it going.

It's over Bro.....so please stop....u look foolish by continuing

I thought his comments were rational and worth reading. I didn't think they were foolish. Your comments on the other hand.....

My own perspective is that crowdfunding shows wouldn't work. To maximize revenue bands need to string together a series of dates in bigger venues where they can sell out. A single show at a smaller venue is a hard thing to do. I think the Foo Fighters played the crowdfunded show for the publicity (Foo Fighters love to to do stuff like that). PJ is more low key and tours less frequently. I think they like to make a bigger impact when they go out and tour. We don't even see as many warmup shows as we used to in previous decades (where some random bar show would happen).

I think the article pretty much hit the nail on the head. You need to raise 1,000,000 to get an arena size band to play. If you try to get them to play less traveled venues, then those venues might not have the facilities to host the show (ie your putting the band in a position where they need to deal with tickets, security, staffing etc...). I really got the impression from the '95 tour that it takes a lot of energy to put on your own shows. It's much easier delegating it and letting someone else do all the grunt work

If so much crowdfunding happened that they could string together a tour, then they might be at place they have to choose which crowdfunded shows to play. Which is not really any different than now.

Right now bands try and pick cities that they can sell out (or sell the most tickets), so in essence it is crowdfunded already, except they're trying to guess which cities will have the best potential to draw the most fans.

whispering hands

The truth is.. There are MANY facets to booking and scheduling etc.. Not just throwing money at a band and offering up a proposed venue as a goal. Those people have HARD jobs!! It is not easy to get these things set up. I tried to explain that.. But he was determined to do this on bare minimum. I hope Mr. Curtis doesn't have to try to explain this to this guy as often as I tried.. Lol he almost seems daft with that kind of persistence...

hsohi

"We will continue to crowdfund until we receive a hard no from the Pearl Jam management. Dreams do come true and we are doing this for the thousands of fans that have supported us, visited our website, and have done charity work all for this movement. Pearl Jam are our heroes and we hope they can hear our proposal and give us more detailed feedback. We want this concert in Pearl Jam’s hands and by no means would want otherwise. We know they put on a show like no other. We are simply a grassroots movement that knows Pearl Jam Forest Hills would be amazing for the fans, the band, and the community. We remain faithful, as the song goes. We are the Forest Hills Faithful!"

The above comments in the quote are foolish. But hey keep sending money his way...

deadendp

IBTL.

joberschlake

whispering hands said:

The truth is.. There are MANY facets to booking and scheduling etc.. Not just throwing money at a band and offering up a proposed venue as a goal. Those people have HARD jobs!! It is not easy to get these things set up. I tried to explain that.. But he was determined to do this on bare minimum. I hope Mr. Curtis doesn't have to try to explain this to this guy as often as I tried.. Lol he almost seems daft with that kind of persistence...

Just out of curiosity, do you work for Pearl Jam? Are you part of the band's management or staff?

deadendp

^^ You don't have to work for PJ to have read that Kelly was politely declining the crowdsourcing event.

joberschlake

deadendp said:

^^ You don't have to work for PJ to have read that Kelly was politely declining the crowdsourcing event.

That I am aware of.

I was asking because that person kept stating how she said this and that and tried to explain it. I'm not sure why the Crowdfund organizer would need to listen to her if she is not a member of PJ's management team.

deadendp

What WH was trying to get to is in the several other threads created on this very topic. She really is good people and truly was trying only to help clarify some things.

I assure you that while I'm sure she wouldn't turn down a job to work for PJ, she does not work for PJ or it's management team. She just has some life experience, as we all do in different areas, and was trying to share that here.

bootlegger10

joberschlake said:

deadendp said:

^^ You don't have to work for PJ to have read that Kelly was politely declining the crowdsourcing event.

That I am aware of.

I was asking because that person kept stating how she said this and that and tried to explain it. I'm not sure why the Crowdfund organizer would need to listen to her if she is not a member of PJ's management team.

She probably figured if the organizer didn't initially listen to reality, she might as well make a run at it. Sort of a personal challenge.

dimitrispearljam

i tried for once to comment about the whole yesterday atanother conversation...but ..well..seems different opinions arent wellcome..
ideas is cool,anf kudos from the effort a fan put ,but from the idea to become busines at mucis industry from fans and with specific terms,like play at specific venue has really long distance..

fans who follow the band closely,they know already the band do their own way business and ONLY with proffecionals..
fans,by doing any kind project can get attention to the band but NOT to do business with them..
alot of exables over the years,with that..from designs and project,to events etc....that all are wellcome but not for do business..same officially not any band member,or the managrment did business with..
if someone for exable wants to do a crowd whatever shows,cant knock on bands door cos he raise money..or have the money
needs the right profecional producer,or touring agent ,known at music industry to go to bands their management and talk business along with his name,that quarante there are no risk at quality,safety and that can deliver the successful result
and all comes along with contracts..who from bands side will put his name and a signature to do business when the other side isnt a business at all?
i want to be a doctor..i can buy an online diploma and frame it..
will any of u will sit on my table to have a surgery by me?
of course not..

joberschlake

dimitrispearljam said:

i tried for once to comment about the whole yesterday atanother conversation...but ..well..seems different opinions arent wellcome..
ideas is cool,anf kudos from the effort a fan put ,but from the idea to become busines at mucis industry from fans and with specific terms,like play at specific venue has really long distance..

fans who follow the band closely,they know already the band do their own way business and ONLY with proffecionals..
fans,by doing any kind project can get attention to the band but NOT to do business with them..
alot of exables over the years,with that..from designs and project,to events etc....that all are wellcome but not for do business..same officially not any band member,or the managrment did business with..
if someone for exable wants to do a crowd whatever shows,cant knock on bands door cos he raise money..or have the money
needs the right profecional producer,or touring agent ,known at music industry to go to bands their management and talk business along with his name,that quarante there are no risk at quality,safety and that can deliver the successful result
and all comes along with contracts..who from bands side will put his name and a signature to do business when the other side isnt a business at all?
i want to be a doctor..i can buy an online diploma and frame it..
will any of u will sit on my table to have a surgery by me?
of course not..

I will pose the same question to you:

Do you work for the band? Are you part of their management?

I think the Crowdfund organzier was looking for direction from someone in that camp, not everyone who wishes they could work for pearl jam or be a part of the band.

The crowdfund organizer reached out to management a long time ago and asked for their input. He was given a non-answer. I think if the sentiment was a NO all along, then management should have been forthright with him, and the whole thing would have went away a long time ago. To date, they have still not directly responded to his inquiries to them.

All I am saying is that a straight up no to his question would have saved a lot of people being really negative, hurtful, and nasty in a "community" that is really supposed to be a fun, loving place to enjoy good music.

deadendp

Edited because my comment got dropped down below someone else's when I thought it wasn't. Here goes:

dimitrispearljam said:

i tried for once to comment about the whole yesterday atanother conversation...but ..well..seems different opinions arent wellcome..
ideas is cool,anf kudos from the effort a fan put ,but from the idea to become busines at mucis industry from fans and with specific terms,like play at specific venue has really long distance..

fans who follow the band closely,they know already the band do their own way business and ONLY with proffecionals..
fans,by doing any kind project can get attention to the band but NOT to do business with them..
alot of exables over the years,with that..from designs and project,to events etc....that all are wellcome but not for do business..same officially not any band member,or the managrment did business with..
if someone for exable wants to do a crowd whatever shows,cant knock on bands door cos he raise money..or have the money
needs the right profecional producer,or touring agent ,known at music industry to go to bands their management and talk business along with his name,that quarante there are no risk at quality,safety and that can deliver the successful result
and all comes along with contracts..who from bands side will put his name and a signature to do business when the other side isnt a business at all?
i want to be a doctor..i can buy an online diploma and frame it..
will any of u will sit on my table to have a surgery by me?
of course not..

We appreciate different opinions. At least I do. I think that I get what you are saying. If they had the backing of a management team with proper contracts and whatnot in order, guaranteed safety and that the event would be conducted in the manner that they (PJ) runs things, perhaps their event may be a bit more successful? Dimitris, do I have your point correct?

joberschlake

deadendp said:

^^ We appreciate different opinions. At least I do. I think that I get what you are saying. If they had the backing of a management team with proper contracts and whatnot in order, guaranteed safety and that the event would be conducted in the manner that they (PJ) runs things, perhaps their event may be a bit more successful? Do I have your point correct?

I also appreciate different opinions. Thanks for not running me thru the ringer for expressing mine.

I'm just saying that if PJ management told the crowdfund that it was a no-go months ago when the crowdfund reached out, I think it would have ended then.

Who knows, if they posed all those questions or items that you stated in your last post, maybe it would have given the crowdfund something to think about or focus on. I'm pretty sure the crowdfund was looking for an answer/direction directly from the PJ/Management Camp, not every person that has a keyboard on this message forum.

I truly think some sort of answer/statement from them a long time ago would have saved a lot of nastiness amongst people who've probably never met in person, that are probably pretty good people. I think the crowdfund is a cool idea, and should have brought people together. Unfortunately, all if did was incite negativity and hatred on this board, which I know was not the organizer's goal.

whispering hands

joberschlake said:

whispering hands said:

The truth is.. There are MANY facets to booking and scheduling etc.. Not just throwing money at a band and offering up a proposed venue as a goal. Those people have HARD jobs!! It is not easy to get these things set up. I tried to explain that.. But he was determined to do this on bare minimum. I hope Mr. Curtis doesn't have to try to explain this to this guy as often as I tried.. Lol he almost seems daft with that kind of persistence...

Just out of curiosity, do you work for Pearl Jam? Are you part of the band's management or staff?

Lmao! I WISH. I
Just used to work with March of Dimes, as a fielder. ( that's the person that searches out secures, and sets up a venue for an attraction.) that included applying for permits in the cities we attended, ALLLLLLL of the permits, and there's a lot of that involved.. And then once all that was done and in place, I had to communicate to the heads of the organization how everything fit together. I worked on Bkkers For Babies, Hive Kids the World, BACA ( Bikers Against Child Abuse, Walk For a Cure and Cancer Society) I did this for almost five years, ( and tan and operated an animal rescue at the same time!! ), and it was never easy!

dimitrispearljam

joberschlake said:

dimitrispearljam said:

i tried for once to comment about the whole yesterday atanother conversation...but ..well..seems different opinions arent wellcome..
ideas is cool,anf kudos from the effort a fan put ,but from the idea to become busines at mucis industry from fans and with specific terms,like play at specific venue has really long distance..

fans who follow the band closely,they know already the band do their own way business and ONLY with proffecionals..
fans,by doing any kind project can get attention to the band but NOT to do business with them..
alot of exables over the years,with that..from designs and project,to events etc....that all are wellcome but not for do business..same officially not any band member,or the managrment did business with..
if someone for exable wants to do a crowd whatever shows,cant knock on bands door cos he raise money..or have the money
needs the right profecional producer,or touring agent ,known at music industry to go to bands their management and talk business along with his name,that quarante there are no risk at quality,safety and that can deliver the successful result
and all comes along with contracts..who from bands side will put his name and a signature to do business when the other side isnt a business at all?
i want to be a doctor..i can buy an online diploma and frame it..
will any of u will sit on my table to have a surgery by me?
of course not..

I will pose the same question to you:

Do you work for the band? Are you part of their management?

I think the Crowdfund organzier was looking for direction from someone in that camp, not everyone who wishes they could work for pearl jam or be a part of the band.

The crowdfund organizer reached out to management a long time ago and asked for their input. He was given a non-answer. I think if the sentiment was a NO all along, then management should have been forthright with him, and the whole thing would have went away a long time ago. To date, they have still not directly responded to his inquiries to them.

All I am saying is that a straight up no to his question would have saved a lot of people being really negative, hurtful, and nasty in a "community" that is really supposed to be a fun, loving place to enjoy good music.

i dont care or want to answer to anyones question..
im saying my opinion and noone can tell me what i can say or do..
im saying only profecionals can rich the bands managment and its so easy to see that over the years..
if u read at my post "negative, hurtful, and nasty comment" then its you having some short of problem and not me..
i have an opinion..i dont care or want that you or anyone else like it,but i have the right to say it at the fans forum as a member of the fan club