Bruce Jenner - WTF?????????????????

WhatYouTaughtMe

Kind of a heavy subject for some people so I will just throw this out there for Hedonist.
When I saw the vanity fair cover I was confused and channelled my inner George Costanza for a moment..."I think it moved!"

All kidding aside, good for Bruce/Caitlynn. I imagine carrying that around for such a long time had to cause some emotional hurt.

Wobbie

as the OP, back on Feb 4 when this was all news to me, I'm gonna back off of he/she is just doing this for publicity.....one thing does strike me, however....how much Caitlyn is going to help anyone is debatable....she went into this with tons of $$$ and was able to do this "right"....the reality seems like most transgender people are so ostracized they have shit jobs, no money and their attempts at transformation are predictably a little odd. True? No? just my observation....

Leezestarr313

I think in Germany you have to undergo a psychological examination in order for health care to pay for it. But then it is not a question of money. It is about mental sanity. And you have to live with the new identity for a certain amount of time to prove that you mean it. And people get weeded out, or chicken at the last moment. It has to be a tough decision to have "it" cut off and go for the new identity full force. I don't know how it is in America. It would be odd if you could just buy a gender change. I cannot imagine this would be possible.

WhatYouTaughtMe

imalive said:

as the OP, back on Feb 4 when this was all news to me, I'm gonna back off of he/she is just doing this for publicity.....one thing does strike me, however....how much Caitlyn is going to help anyone is debatable....she went into this with tons of $$$ and was able to do this "right"....the reality seems like most transgender people are so ostracized they have shit jobs, no money and their attempts at transformation are predictably a little odd. True? No? just my observation....

Jenner definitely has a leg up on most people in that situation. Whatever the intention in doing this, I think it can help a lot of people be more accepting of themselves and each other. So even if Caitlyn did it for the wrong reasons it still shines a light on it.

Wobbie

Leezestarr313 said:

I think in Germany you have to undergo a psychological examination in order for health care to pay for it. But then it is not a question of money. It is about mental sanity. And you have to live with the new identity for a certain amount of time to prove that you mean it. And people get weeded out, or chicken at the last moment. It has to be a tough decision to have "it" cut off and go for the new identity full force. I don't know how it is in America. It would be odd if you could just buy a gender change. I cannot imagine this would be possible.

Good question....I'm not sure how it works, but I'm pretty sure any of our insurances would NOT cover this.....except for maybe that socialist Obamacare

seriously,,,,,Americans, how do you get a sex change in this country?

hedonist

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

Kind of a heavy subject for some people so I will just throw this out there for Hedonist.
When I saw the vanity fair cover I was confused and channelled my inner George Costanza for a moment..."I think it moved!"

All kidding aside, good for Bruce/Caitlynn. I imagine carrying that around for such a long time had to cause some emotional hurt.

I thank you, sir! I think most everyone has an inner George.

To be honest, I think the magazine cover and PR and on, strike me as somewhat over the top, and I'm not sure if it's because of how I view the timing of this, plus the leechiness and narcissism of the reality-show side of things in general and those who participate in it, or that CJ (using this from now on) simply needs to do this in a way best for current state of mind.

Guess I'm not a fan in general of the "look-at-me" mentality and those dying to profit from it, but in the end, it's not about me. My life goes on, and I hope others' do as well, each happy with life and ourselves.

Not hurting anyone along the way? Go for it.

WhatYouTaughtMe

imalive said:

Leezestarr313 said:

I think in Germany you have to undergo a psychological examination in order for health care to pay for it. But then it is not a question of money. It is about mental sanity. And you have to live with the new identity for a certain amount of time to prove that you mean it. And people get weeded out, or chicken at the last moment. It has to be a tough decision to have "it" cut off and go for the new identity full force. I don't know how it is in America. It would be odd if you could just buy a gender change. I cannot imagine this would be possible.

Good question....I'm not sure how it works, but I'm pretty sure any of our insurances would NOT cover this.....except for maybe that socialist Obamacare

seriously,,,,,Americans, how do you get a sex change in this country?

Craigslist.

hedonist

imalive said:

Good question....I'm not sure how it works, but I'm pretty sure any of our insurances would NOT cover this.....except for maybe that socialist Obamacare

seriously,,,,,Americans, how do you get a sex change in this country?

Go to prison?

oftenreading

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

imalive said:

Leezestarr313 said:

I think in Germany you have to undergo a psychological examination in order for health care to pay for it. But then it is not a question of money. It is about mental sanity. And you have to live with the new identity for a certain amount of time to prove that you mean it. And people get weeded out, or chicken at the last moment. It has to be a tough decision to have "it" cut off and go for the new identity full force. I don't know how it is in America. It would be odd if you could just buy a gender change. I cannot imagine this would be possible.

Good question....I'm not sure how it works, but I'm pretty sure any of our insurances would NOT cover this.....except for maybe that socialist Obamacare

seriously,,,,,Americans, how do you get a sex change in this country?

Craigslist.

Youtube instructional videos

Wobbie

^^^^^ three EXCELLENT suggestions!

Wobbie

hedonist said:

imalive said:

Good question....I'm not sure how it works, but I'm pretty sure any of our insurances would NOT cover this.....except for maybe that socialist Obamacare

seriously,,,,,Americans, how do you get a sex change in this country?

Go to prison?

reminds me of a joke with a punchline of "OK, get over here and suck your wife's d**k"

RKCNDY

hedonist said:

imalive said:

Good question....I'm not sure how it works, but I'm pretty sure any of our insurances would NOT cover this.....except for maybe that socialist Obamacare

seriously,,,,,Americans, how do you get a sex change in this country?

Go to prison?

I have heard of this, prisoners are guaranteed medical care. I do believe there is a prisoner I my state that requested a sex change operation...and will get it for free, on the taxpayer dime.

Wobbie

RKCNDY said:

hedonist said:

imalive said:

Good question....I'm not sure how it works, but I'm pretty sure any of our insurances would NOT cover this.....except for maybe that socialist Obamacare

seriously,,,,,Americans, how do you get a sex change in this country?

Go to prison?

I have heard of this, prisoners are guaranteed medical care. I do believe there is a prisoner I my state that requested a sex change operation...and will get it for free, on the taxpayer dime.

I must have a dirty mind....I read something completely different into "go to prison"

RKCNDY

imalive said:

RKCNDY said:

hedonist said:

imalive said:

Good question....I'm not sure how it works, but I'm pretty sure any of our insurances would NOT cover this.....except for maybe that socialist Obamacare

seriously,,,,,Americans, how do you get a sex change in this country?

Go to prison?

I have heard of this, prisoners are guaranteed medical care. I do believe there is a prisoner I my state that requested a sex change operation...and will get it for free, on the taxpayer dime.

I must have a dirty mind....I read something completely different into "go to prison"

They turn it inside out in prison?!?

hedonist

RKCNDY said:

imalive said:

RKCNDY said:

hedonist said:

imalive said:

Good question....I'm not sure how it works, but I'm pretty sure any of our insurances would NOT cover this.....except for maybe that socialist Obamacare

seriously,,,,,Americans, how do you get a sex change in this country?

Go to prison?

I have heard of this, prisoners are guaranteed medical care. I do believe there is a prisoner I my state that requested a sex change operation...and will get it for free, on the taxpayer dime.

I must have a dirty mind....I read something completely different into "go to prison"

They turn it inside out in prison?!?

One way to put it!

Yeah, there was a prisoner (can't remember the details and in no mood to google) who was up for the surgery but ended up being released. I wonder if we're thinking of the same dude.

RKCNDY

^^^ I did just Google...seems several prisoners have been granted surgery...gone through with it I don't know. There are a few that were denied too.

Wobbie

RKCNDY said:

^^^ I did just Google...seems several prisoners have been granted surgery...gone through with it I don't know.

well, I guess if you're gonna be the wife......

The Waiting Trophy Man

Having a sex change would be a good way to get transferred to the women's prison. Especially if you're serving life. Then you could avoid getting beaten up and/or ass raped in the men's prison and get to have lesbian sex at a women's prison. 2 birds. Genius, really. I'd do it.

Hobbes

RKCNDY said:

hedonist said:

imalive said:

Good question....I'm not sure how it works, but I'm pretty sure any of our insurances would NOT cover this.....except for maybe that socialist Obamacare

seriously,,,,,Americans, how do you get a sex change in this country?

Go to prison?

I have heard of this, prisoners are guaranteed medical care. I do believe there is a prisoner I my state that requested a sex change operation...and will get it for free, on the taxpayer dime.

Yeah, there was something in Washington State. Don't recall the details....

There is Bradley Manning. She goes by Chelsea now. The Army has allowed hormone treatments and therapy, but not a transfer to a woman's prison or gender reconstruction. This is still breaking ground as the Army does not allow transgender to serve, so they don't know exactly how to deal with this.

HughFreakingDillon

she is receiving the Arthur Ashe memorial award for courage. While I support any person's right to be who they are, I am not on board with that. What has Jenner actually DONE to receive that honour? Do interviews and photoshoots. I didn't see her at any protests, getting arrested, marching down the street, handing out flyers, helping other transgenders get their lives on track, get down in the gutters and actually DO something? Nope. Get interviewed by Diane Sawyer. BOOM. Being an inspiration does not equal deserving of this award.