Bruce Jenner - WTF?????????????????

PJ_Soul

Either way, I have no problem seeing someone all over the news for doing good work that betters society, which is now what Jenner is doing. Sure, some rags come up with other shit, but no one should blame her for that crap. Blame yourselves for looking at it.

HughFreakingDillon

I just can't get on board with it. the most glowing example of how odd it is, is the woman who saved several people on 9/11 and died in the process and got that award. Sure, the award is from a stupid magazine. But at the time the husband and family of that women probably thought it was an honour. it could be argued that Jenner may be making strides for trans people, but even a good portion of THEM think what she's doing is disingenuous, being so out of touch with the REAL issues of trans people who aren't rich and famous.

I wouldn't call what she's doing brave. I think brave is doing something for good without possibility of personal gain. Jenner is capitalizing, monetarily as well as famously, on this situation.

I applaud anyone for being themselves, and doing this if this is who they are. But pretending like they are some hero to the community that they don't even really represent is a little ego-centric.

PJ_Soul

I meant that it's brave to suddenly change genders when you're 65.

But I don't see why Jenner's financial situation or fame should prevent us from recognizing the good that's being done. I agree that Jenner doesn't necessarily represent everyone perfectly, but she does still represent them and helping society to be more accepting, and that positively affects all transgendered people, no matter the other differences.

I'm trying to remember if I've ever seen people slamming famous, rich black people who speak up for racial equality in America..... I'm thinking not. So why is that happening here? There is no difference.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

I meant that it's brave to suddenly change genders when you're 65.

But I don't see why Jenner's financial situation or fame should prevent us from recognizing the good that's being done. I agree that Jenner doesn't necessarily represent everyone perfectly, but she does still represent them and helping society to be more accepting, and that positively affects all transgendered people, no matter the other differences.

I'm trying to remember if I've ever seen people slamming famous, rich black people who speak up for racial equality in America..... I'm thinking not. So why is that happening here? There is no difference.

because she is gaining from the situation. new reality show, magazine covers, awards, etc. if a black person who was rich but started a reality show about it, i'd say they were just as opportunistic as Jenner.

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I meant that it's brave to suddenly change genders when you're 65.

But I don't see why Jenner's financial situation or fame should prevent us from recognizing the good that's being done. I agree that Jenner doesn't necessarily represent everyone perfectly, but she does still represent them and helping society to be more accepting, and that positively affects all transgendered people, no matter the other differences.

I'm trying to remember if I've ever seen people slamming famous, rich black people who speak up for racial equality in America..... I'm thinking not. So why is that happening here? There is no difference.

because she is gaining from the situation. new reality show, magazine covers, awards, etc. if a black person who was rich but started a reality show about it, i'd say they were just as opportunistic as Jenner.

I really don't give a flying fuck if someone is gaining from doing good. That doesn't erase the good it's doing.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I meant that it's brave to suddenly change genders when you're 65.

But I don't see why Jenner's financial situation or fame should prevent us from recognizing the good that's being done. I agree that Jenner doesn't necessarily represent everyone perfectly, but she does still represent them and helping society to be more accepting, and that positively affects all transgendered people, no matter the other differences.

I'm trying to remember if I've ever seen people slamming famous, rich black people who speak up for racial equality in America..... I'm thinking not. So why is that happening here? There is no difference.

because she is gaining from the situation. new reality show, magazine covers, awards, etc. if a black person who was rich but started a reality show about it, i'd say they were just as opportunistic as Jenner.

I really don't give a flying fuck if someone is gaining from doing good. That doesn't erase the good it's doing.

you know what, you're right. in the other thread, you mentioned the others who have received the Glamour award. I read the one article about the woman's husband who returned her award, but I didn't properly vet the situation and realize who the award has gone to in the past, and consider why this guy might have an issue with it.

Go Beavers

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I meant that it's brave to suddenly change genders when you're 65.

But I don't see why Jenner's financial situation or fame should prevent us from recognizing the good that's being done. I agree that Jenner doesn't necessarily represent everyone perfectly, but she does still represent them and helping society to be more accepting, and that positively affects all transgendered people, no matter the other differences.

I'm trying to remember if I've ever seen people slamming famous, rich black people who speak up for racial equality in America..... I'm thinking not. So why is that happening here? There is no difference.

because she is gaining from the situation. new reality show, magazine covers, awards, etc. if a black person who was rich but started a reality show about it, i'd say they were just as opportunistic as Jenner.

She's gaining from the situation, but the situation was present before Bruce decided to come out as Caitlin. The Kardashian's had been on for several years, and would still be going on as is if Bruce decided to not come out. I think the main factor for Caitlin to come out was a combo of her own age, and the age of his daughters. It didn't have anything to do with the show. I'm sure the producers saw a good opportunity, and then offered Caitlin a show deal. Why would someone turn down money by just being yourself?

HughFreakingDillon

Read my post above yours.

JWPearl

its just an attention seeker
no time for this unless she/he
knows how to eradicate terrorism
or something

Gern Blansten

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/reports-caitlyn-jenner-regretted-sex-change-may-de-transition/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab6a&linkId=24438798

Interesting...

HughFreakingDillon

wait it out, Caitlyn. I'm sure transitioning isn't easy for anyone, especially in the public eye.

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

wait it out, Caitlyn. I'm sure transitioning isn't easy for anyone, especially in the public eye.

Not sure if you're being facetious, but in case you're not, she doesn't regret anything. That is a story about some gossip rag trash story being denied by her.

chadwick

i'll say it again
jenner's a pain in the ass

Gern Blansten

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

wait it out, Caitlyn. I'm sure transitioning isn't easy for anyone, especially in the public eye.

Not sure if you're being facetious, but in case you're not, she doesn't regret anything. That is a story about some gossip rag trash story being denied by her.

yeah I can't believe CBS ran with it....pretty careless

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

wait it out, Caitlyn. I'm sure transitioning isn't easy for anyone, especially in the public eye.

Not sure if you're being facetious, but in case you're not, she doesn't regret anything. That is a story about some gossip rag trash story being denied by her.

I wasn't being facetious at all.

Brutal.