Michael Moore proving once again...

muskydan

I have have also heard stories of people booing and spitting on soldiers at airports returning from their tours of duty. Scratch that, I know they were and proudly locked them up. Some of the proudest arrests of career and the bumpiest rides ever to lockup . Godbless our Soldiers and Thank you for your service.

mikepegg44

I agree with Michael Moore, a REAL man kills with his bare hands...right Michael? /sarcasm

Michael Moore is a shadow of the man that created Roger and Me...The right wing knuckleheads attacking him as anti american aren't any better...

He made a comment about how he feels and what he believes snipers to be, no more no less. And he is right in one respect, we cannot lose track of the idea that the Iraq war was at best a huge mistake, and at worst illegal.

I wish the troops were home, with their families, defending us here, where they should be

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muskydan wrote: »

I have have also heard stories of people booing and spitting on soldiers at airports returning from their tours of duty. Scratch that, I know they were and proudly locked them up. Some of the proudest arrests of career and the bumpiest rides ever to lockup . Godbless our Soldiers and Thank you for your service.

I don't know about bumpy rides to lock up, that may have made your day good for you.

However, no matter how horrible the things our soldiers may or may not do in times of war.......they should NEVER EVER be mocked, spat upon for being sent off to wars in the process of protecting this country. Not many of us have been in their boots in times of war in a foreign world until then one has to give them praise and positive attention the richly deserve. For myself I understand that mentality of how it can change a person.

Peace

badbrains

Oh allah, it really amazes me some of the things that come out of some peoples mouths. So awesome to hear that muskydan gets butt hurt about soldiers getting spit on and loved arresting them. But make a post about said servicemen raping 9 year olds in Iraq, not a single peep. Guess he's ok with that.

Empty Glass

There are way too many broad strokes painted here

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badbrains wrote: »

Oh allah, it really amazes me some of the things that come out of some peoples mouths. So awesome to hear that muskydan gets butt hurt about soldiers getting spit on and loved arresting them. But make a post about said servicemen raping 9 year olds in Iraq, not a single peep. Guess he's ok with that.

Come on BB. Everyone is sickened when hearing stories like that. And I would say that almost everyone is in agreement that if that happened, the people involved should be arrested and stand trial. Just because somebody doesn't reply to that post, doesn't mean he's ok with it.

badbrains

Scott, not true. I posted that about the raping of the boys and I had a couple responses from people who I knew would make a comment. But the gung-ho few that love war stayed SILENT. Didn't peep a fucken word. And that's embarrassing. To think people would rant and rave about how awesome snipers are and America love it or leave it, but remain silent when it comes to atrocities committed by our soldiers. You know who u are and you should be fucken ashamed of yourselves. We're talking about kids. But hey, take those criminals on a bumpy car ride to the "man's house", what a fucken joke.

Dirtie_Frank

bad brains. Your comment saying you believe all snipers kill innocent women and children make me sick. Sorry that your cousin died, but did he die doing what he believed in? Now you are talking about a rape case, of course it is horrible and that person should be held accountable for his or her crimes. DO you even mention the amount of little boys the Taliban rape and torture on a daily basis? Do you care about them or is it just let's bash the americans because it is the thing to do.

badbrains

Oh since the fucken FUCKED UP TALIBAN rape boys it's all of a sudden justifiable that our soldiers do the same? Fuck out of here. Ya I'm a fucken joke. Let me ask u dirtyfrank, how many innocent people wether women/children or men, did u kill?

Edit-I may AGAINST the war and have no interest in us being there, but that doesn't mean I don't care about our soldiers. I actually do shit to support them. U may not hear about it, but doesn't mean I don't.

Edit #2-Kat, plz don't silence dirtyfrank over calling me a joke. It did NOT offend me in any way.

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Dirtie_Frank

I never fired my weapon. I never said it was ok for the soldiers to rape. I just said none talks about what really goes on with the Chai boys over in the Middle East.

badbrains

I know exactly what happens over in the Mid East cuz I've been there numerous times. And YES what you describe does happen there and it's fucken WRONG. But to sit here and act like we're the all mighty saviors of the world is a complete joke. If we are, then why aren't we liberating Palestine? Don't answer that, I already know the answer.

Dirtie_Frank

BB you seem like a smart dude, I just do not like people taking cheap shots at the men and women who volunteered to a job and then get shit on for doing the job. Is everyone that went to Iraq and Afghanistan innocent? Of course not but painting them with a broad brush like people paint muslims, blacks, etc. is just as bad at least in my eyes.

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Dirtie_Frank wrote: »

bad brains. Your comment saying you believe all snipers kill innocent women and children make me sick. Sorry that your cousin died, but did he die doing what he believed in? Now you are talking about a rape case, of course it is horrible and that person should be held accountable for his or her crimes. DO you even mention the amount of little boys the Taliban rape and torture on a daily basis? Do you care about them or is it just let's bash the americans because it is the thing to do.

For me I don't forget that they're rapes and killings by the Taliban on a daily basis, I can't it's all horrible. However, I do want to point out that SOME of our American troops go into wars and DO commit horrible crimes due to either a lack of training, their mentality or just the overall stress of war. It can happen to anyone one of our soldiers and they should be tried for their crimes and found guilty or innocent. Not all soldiers go into wars, do the great things portrayed in movies and too many of us Americans believe what in seen upon movie screens.

There's hardly any Beauty in war, that's why I'd rather us never to go in the first place.

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Dirtie_Frank

Agree G under P, nothing is perfect and from experience the military is not either. To the original point of the movie, I think Clint and Bradley did a good job at showing how war is hell and how it effects a person.

badbrains

Dirty, if that's the case then wouldn't you think I'm painting my cousin with that same brush? Of course not. I have respect for soldiers and DONT believe they're all monsters. I have much respect for soldiers like Mr Young who spoke out about it. I have respect for my cousin Tamir who is still in the service and continues to do what he thinks is right. I mite not agree with him, but hey, I got his back.

And dirty, u can call me a joke anytime man, cuz I take what people say about me with a grain of salt. I know I'm an asshole to the 13th degree. All good.

Dirtie_Frank

I am sure if we met in person we could get along, even though I get placed into the conservative politics I have many liberal ideas as well. I know I can be a douche and typing does not help me either .

badbrains

I'm sure we would get along great. Politics and religion aside, anythings possible.

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Did anyone get a chance to read through this about the movie..

http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/american-sniper/

Questioning The Story:

Did Chris Kyle really shoot a boy who was concealing a grenade?
No. In the movie, Chris Kyle (Bradley Cooper) shoots a boy and his mother who are approaching a U.S. Marine convoy concealing an RKG-3 Russian Anti-Tank Grenade. In the book, a woman does come out of a small house with her child, but she approaches the convoy by herself as she conceals something beneath her clothes. She sets a Chinese grenade, not a Russian RKG. Kyle hesitates shooting the woman but does take the shot. The grenade drops and he fires again as it's exploding. It was "the only time I killed anyone other than a male combatant," writes Kyle. In the book, he indicates that this is his first kill in Iraq.

In his autobiography, Chris Kyle does scope a child at one point. The moment is also depicted in the movie. The combatants had sent the child down the street to retrieve an RPG (in the movie, a nearby boy simply wanders over and picks up the RPG). "I had a clear view in my scope," writes Kyle, "but I didn't fire. I wasn't going to kill a kid, innocent or not. I'd have to wait until the savage who put him up to it showed himself on the street."

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muskydan

It appears BB needs a timeout. You really need 2 chillout and get off your computer and take a walk outside. Just so you know I am not ashamed what so ever and very proud of my actions. Explaining my self to you would be a waste of everyone's time. I am sure there are many people on here that have much more important things going on in their lives to not respond to all your posts....like me