Michael Moore proving once again...

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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited January 2015
    Dirtie_Frank wrote: »
    Maybe some things need to be clarified. I never met any soldier, sailor, marine or seaman that loved going to war. The thing we did love was our fellow service members, the majority of us would oDo anything for the, as well as do anything for the innocent civilians. Of course there are the few bad app,es that cause more problems. Someone mentioned Chris Kyle saying that he regretted that he did not kill more. That is a misquote he regretted not killing more people who killed US service members. He had what a lot of people including myself have as survivors remorse. I did not have such a tough job as Me Kyle did but I often Wonder how I survived and other people did not. He was not perched from his tower sniping innocent civilians like a few of you all Have said. I think people need to walk a mile in his shoes before they pass judge,enr. What.was he supposed to do watch his fellow service men die because the shot came from the back? The movie in my eyes did not glorify the war in Iraq it showed what it cost us. Some lost their life, some lost there limbs and some lost a bit of there soul. I think the movie showed that . Just my .02.

    I mentioned that, and it is not a misquote. There may be some missing context...or maybe not...from his book:
    People ask me all the time, "How many people have you killed?" My standard response is, "Does the answer make me less, or more, of a man?" The number is not important to me. I only wish I had killed more. Not for bragging rights, but because I believe the world is a better place without savages out there taking American lives. Everyone I shot in Iraq was trying to harm Americans or Iraqis loyal to the new government
    So he does say that he wishes he had killed more 'savages' who were trying to kill americans or 'loyal' Iraqis. Sooooo....where exactly is the misquote? And if I'm missing any context, it's his belief in American exceptionalism. That american lives are worth more than iraqi ones. The context that Mr.Kyle missed was the answer to why they were trying to kill americans in the first place....because they were the aggressors, the occupiers, the invaders.
    And that's the problem with this movie....the 'bad guys' are presented with zero background aside from the evil things they do.
    What purpose did it serve to fabricate the opening scene, as noted in the article GunderP posted? It dehumanizes the Iraqi people; it shows that those savages, even the women and children, were all enemy targets for a good reason.
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Sorry about your cousin, bb. Pretty classless to try to call you out on that. I'd expect a full backpedal now.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    Thanks as always drowned out. Appreciate it very much.

    Oh and FYI shawshank, tamirs a cop now and who knows what danno would be cuz you know, he's DEAD.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    edited January 2015
    PJfanwillneverleave1 wrote: »
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    What was Seth Rogan talking about?

    He was talking out of his ass to promote his lame film that is coming to Netflix.
    Fucking Hollywood is crazier than this forum I swear. (juggler please don't attack)
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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    HAHAHA fucken juggler cracking me up
  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    FYI BB I wasn't asking because I didn't believe you, I was asking out of curiosity. I have no problem calling bullshit when necessary and I have no beef with you. I live right next to Ft Hood so I was just curious if they deployed from my region or not is all. Nothing more, nothing less.
  • xhausted1
    xhausted1 Posts: 126
    When did our troops get spit on? In a Chicago airport? I never heard of that, as Muskydan said. I tried searching for info & I could only find 1 incident at a protest 6 years ago in CA.

    BB, I am sorry to hear about your cousin who passed. Thanks for sharing.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    Thanks xhausted, much appreciative
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Quite the weaves this thread has taken.

    Damn you, Michael Moore!
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    I'm thrilled that Moore has the balls to say what others are too afraid to. It's interesting to me how people (and I'm not singling anyone here out) who once thought he was great now jump on the "bash Moore bandwagon". Oh so fickle a people!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    The Juggler wrote: »
    PJfanwillneverleave1 wrote: »
    Last-12-Exit wrote: »
    What was Seth Rogan talking about?

    He was talking out of his ass to promote his lame film that is coming to Netflix.
    Fucking Hollywood is crazier than this forum I swear. (juggler please don't attack)
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/20/the-interview-netflix_n_6510668.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx8r-TiLSVg

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  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    Thanks to both of your cousins for their service BB. Seriously. And prayers to you and your family for having to deal with that loss and all the horror that goes along with it.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    It's all good. I appreciate it. I just feel for my aunt and uncle. Danno was their only child. Should've never been in combat but HE chose to go. Thanks again.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    brianlux wrote: »
    I'm thrilled that Moore has the balls to say what others are too afraid to. It's interesting to me how people (and I'm not singling anyone here out) who once thought he was great now jump on the "bash Moore bandwagon". Oh so fickle a people!
    Speaking for myself (as always!), I loved Roger and Me. It garnered my initial respect for Moore.

    My opinion of him has since gone way downhill (much like my view of Maher); this has nothing to do with band-waggoning. What would be the point of that?

    As people change, so do their views. He's as much entitled to his as I am to mine.

    (though I'm not sure what he "tweeted" constitutes having balls)
  • muskydan
    muskydan Posts: 1,013
    That shit don't make the rags in my liberal town xhausted. Now if you are a known gang banging (he was about to turn his life around) criminal who attacks the police and loses, well that's a story that has legs and sells papers, perhaps create a few protests too for more coverage and papers and what-not sold. But if you need to know and have the time to research real things and not the Non sence the media wants you to believe, it's public record

    And yes hedon, I concure....,Blow me Michele Moore!!!!. That slob is getting all the attention he so dearly craves just like he craves a triple whopper w/ tons of Cheeeez.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    edited January 2015
    I say, forget the fucking media coverage. Who gives a shit. Get inspired, learn, be educated, forge what you know to be true into your own way of thinking and actions. It so much easier to applaud what someone else does OR call them a fuck-tard. I love my heroes but when push comes to shove, fuck that. Doing something useful is so much more useful that crying "bully for our team" and take a lot more energy and thought than saying "fuck that guy". Fuck that shit.


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    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    BB, I read up on your cousin Daniel I. And he appeared to be a fine stand up young man. He volunteered for service because THATS what he WANTED to do. He did so honorabley and I give my thanks for his service and dedication in protecting this country and that colonel.

    I'm truly sadden for your loss, Daniel to me had a perfect smile. :D You carry on BB.

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  • backseatLover12
    backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    edited January 2015
    God I love Moore. No one makes people riled up and spewing truth more than he does. (Sad but true) I love how truth forces others to unhide their true feelings, usually well hidden.

    No matter how ugly truth is, it's still truth and that's what I dig. None of the phony baloney everyone everywhere spews. It's so easy to call another names, but to say something that no one dare to say and go after what the status quo deems off limits takes balls. You can say what you want about him, but no one will say that he cares about the social implications of his truth. Because his truth trumps any and all reaction. Everyone else be damned.
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    looking at what Moore said reminds me of what Bill Maher said after 911.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNMhNJDRnhU

    I have not seen this movie but I would say that this guy wasn't a coward but I would say that its sad that we are talking about Michael Moore and not the people who send these people to war while they sit comfortably in their houses.

    why is it that I am hearing Master of war in the background while i type this
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