DaVinci sketched a helicopter, and Jules Vern wrote about flying to the moon in 1865. West Coast Natives have stories about talking ravens thst make no sense, and the Bible has shit like burning talking bushes and giant voices in the sky and people rising from the dead. I don't think that drawings or stories about flying objects means much of anything by themselves. Oftenreading said it - there is no shortage of imagination when it comes to humans. All a person has to do is see a bird, and the imagination takes flying from there. Not that i am completely ruling out the possibility that some of these drawings, etc depict reality... but I don't see it as evidence by itself.
You're talking about a time when nobody has ever seen flying objects. Think about it. They didn't have TV or anything like that. Nobody just sits there bored and says this is what a flying machine will look like in the future and draw it 1000's of years before. Come on, let's be real here.
DaVinci sketched a helicopter, and Jules Vern wrote about flying to the moon in 1865. West Coast Natives have stories about talking ravens thst make no sense, and the Bible has shit like burning talking bushes and giant voices in the sky and people rising from the dead. I don't think that drawings or stories about flying objects means much of anything by themselves. Oftenreading said it - there is no shortage of imagination when it comes to humans. All a person has to do is see a bird, and the imagination takes flying from there. Not that i am completely ruling out the possibility that some of these drawings, etc depict reality... but I don't see it as evidence by itself.
You're talking about a time when nobody has ever seen flying objects. Think about it. They didn't have TV or anything like that. Nobody just sits there bored and says this is what a flying machine will look like in the future and draw it 1000's of years before. Come on, let's be real here.
So what flying machines had Da Vinci already seen when he sketched his plans around 1485? Unless I'm misunderstanding your point; it seems like you are arguing against people having the imagination to visualize this.
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DaVinci sketched a helicopter, and Jules Vern wrote about flying to the moon in 1865. West Coast Natives have stories about talking ravens thst make no sense, and the Bible has shit like burning talking bushes and giant voices in the sky and people rising from the dead. I don't think that drawings or stories about flying objects means much of anything by themselves. Oftenreading said it - there is no shortage of imagination when it comes to humans. All a person has to do is see a bird, and the imagination takes flying from there. Not that i am completely ruling out the possibility that some of these drawings, etc depict reality... but I don't see it as evidence by itself.
You're talking about a time when nobody has ever seen flying objects. Think about it. They didn't have TV or anything like that. Nobody just sits there bored and says this is what a flying machine will look like in the future and draw it 1000's of years before. Come on, let's be real here.
Birds fly. Balls that you throw fly. The sun, the moon, the stars, the clouds, the northern lights, atmospheric phenomenon... all.up.in the sky for them to see. I don't think it's at all far fetched to think that they invented flying objects through story-telling/imagination combined with actually seeing all these kinds of natural things in the sky that they couldn't explain. They didn't even know Wtf the sun was back then. I am a believer obviously... but I'm a bit of a skeptic, or at least a questioner, when it comes to a lot of "evidence" as well.
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DaVinci sketched a helicopter, and Jules Vern wrote about flying to the moon in 1865. West Coast Natives have stories about talking ravens thst make no sense, and the Bible has shit like burning talking bushes and giant voices in the sky and people rising from the dead. I don't think that drawings or stories about flying objects means much of anything by themselves. Oftenreading said it - there is no shortage of imagination when it comes to humans. All a person has to do is see a bird, and the imagination takes flying from there. Not that i am completely ruling out the possibility that some of these drawings, etc depict reality... but I don't see it as evidence by itself.
exactly.
and when it's pictured next to someone who I believe to be fictitious, then it not only adds no credence, it takes away from it.
DaVinci sketched a helicopter, and Jules Vern wrote about flying to the moon in 1865. West Coast Natives have stories about talking ravens thst make no sense, and the Bible has shit like burning talking bushes and giant voices in the sky and people rising from the dead. I don't think that drawings or stories about flying objects means much of anything by themselves. Oftenreading said it - there is no shortage of imagination when it comes to humans. All a person has to do is see a bird, and the imagination takes flying from there. Not that i am completely ruling out the possibility that some of these drawings, etc depict reality... but I don't see it as evidence by itself.
You're talking about a time when nobody has ever seen flying objects. Think about it. They didn't have TV or anything like that. Nobody just sits there bored and says this is what a flying machine will look like in the future and draw it 1000's of years before. Come on, let's be real here.
So what flying machines had Da Vinci already seen when he sketched his plans around 1485? Unless I'm misunderstanding your point; it seems like you are arguing against people having the imagination to visualize this.
I get the feeling that some people believe that just because people back then didn't fully understand their environment, that they were somehow less intelligent or less creative. they weren't simple-brained folks. they just came earlier than we did.
Ya metal flying objects 1000's of years ago. Got it. I'm wrong and you guys are right as usual. No problem. Funny, u guys are arguing against aliens and yet you guys have said you believe in them. Odd
Does this "evidence" mean that the aliens were humanoid with Earth animal heads? That's what the Egyptians drew on their walls, and since they couldn't have imagined it on their own, the aliens who build the pyramids must have been jackal and bird-headed humans.
Ya metal flying objects 1000's of years ago. Got it. I'm wrong and you guys are right as usual. No problem. Funny, u guys are arguing against aliens and yet you guys have said you believe in them. Odd
so you are right and we are wrong as usual?
not odd at all. yes, I believe in alien life. But I have stated time and again (and it states explicitly on each post) that I don't think they've been here.
and you don't find it odd that flying saucers were just milling about 2000 years ago with nary a care in the world, especially during some of the biggest historical moments in christian history?
it's interesting to me the parallels this draws. God was talking to people all over the place that long ago. apparently, aliens were hanging around during the same time period. coincidence? sounds like a whole lotta magic mushrooms being eaten.
Ya metal flying objects 1000's of years ago. Got it. I'm wrong and you guys are right as usual. No problem. Funny, u guys are arguing against aliens and yet you guys have said you believe in them. Odd
I'm not arguing against aliens. I'm arguing against the theory that people couldn't dream up flying objects 1000 years ago. I agree with Hugh here - you seem to be underestimating the mental abilities and imagination of people back then. Think about all the things we have dreamed up long before it existed in more modern times. It's the only reason most things humans develop exist. Generally, first comes the imagination, and then comes the attempt to make it a reality. Also think about all the totally fantastical things people dream up all the time. It was no different for people 2000 years ago. In fact, without TV, media, etc, people back then probably had much richer imaginations than we do now, just as a form of entertainment.
I have no idea of any of those drawings or stories are connected to aliens. I admit it's one possibility.... but i have no reason to assume it just because the drawings and stories exist. Could be the case! Or not.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Ya metal flying objects 1000's of years ago. Got it. I'm wrong and you guys are right as usual. No problem. Funny, u guys are arguing against aliens and yet you guys have said you believe in them. Odd
so you are right and we are wrong as usual?
not odd at all. yes, I believe in alien life. But I have stated time and again (and it states explicitly on each post) that I don't think they've been here.
and you don't find it odd that flying saucers were just milling about 2000 years ago with nary a care in the world, especially during some of the biggest historical moments in christian history?
it's interesting to me the parallels this draws. God was talking to people all over the place that long ago. apparently, aliens were hanging around during the same time period. coincidence? sounds like a whole lotta magic mushrooms being eaten.
Ah, how many times has the earth been "reset" with disasters. Species ending disasters. Look, you guys can believe in whatever the fuck u guys want, just as I and everyone else will. How about this hugh, we're ALL wrong. Only living things are found on earth and no matter what type of "evidence" people show us, they're wrong.
Edit-reason I asked about the earth being reset is for we don't truly know how advanced and civilized our earth could've been. We could've been hanging with aliens in the past. And with a population ending disaster, we'd never know it. Hope it makes sense
Ya metal flying objects 1000's of years ago. Got it. I'm wrong and you guys are right as usual. No problem. Funny, u guys are arguing against aliens and yet you guys have said you believe in them. Odd
so you are right and we are wrong as usual?
not odd at all. yes, I believe in alien life. But I have stated time and again (and it states explicitly on each post) that I don't think they've been here.
and you don't find it odd that flying saucers were just milling about 2000 years ago with nary a care in the world, especially during some of the biggest historical moments in christian history?
it's interesting to me the parallels this draws. God was talking to people all over the place that long ago. apparently, aliens were hanging around during the same time period. coincidence? sounds like a whole lotta magic mushrooms being eaten.
Ah, how many times has the earth been "reset" with disasters. Species ending disasters. Look, you guys can believe in whatever the fuck u guys want, just as I and everyone else will. How about this hugh, we're ALL wrong. Only living things are found on earth and no matter what type of "evidence" people show us, they're wrong.
I don't understand all the hostility. I have no proof. Just what I think. Just as you do. not sure what the big problem is with that. it's just a discussion.
And I don't quite understand your first statement. care to elaborate on that?
Ya metal flying objects 1000's of years ago. Got it. I'm wrong and you guys are right as usual. No problem. Funny, u guys are arguing against aliens and yet you guys have said you believe in them. Odd
so you are right and we are wrong as usual?
not odd at all. yes, I believe in alien life. But I have stated time and again (and it states explicitly on each post) that I don't think they've been here.
and you don't find it odd that flying saucers were just milling about 2000 years ago with nary a care in the world, especially during some of the biggest historical moments in christian history?
it's interesting to me the parallels this draws. God was talking to people all over the place that long ago. apparently, aliens were hanging around during the same time period. coincidence? sounds like a whole lotta magic mushrooms being eaten.
Ah, how many times has the earth been "reset" with disasters. Species ending disasters. Look, you guys can believe in whatever the fuck u guys want, just as I and everyone else will. How about this hugh, we're ALL wrong. Only living things are found on earth and no matter what type of "evidence" people show us, they're wrong.
Edit-reason I asked about the earth being reset is for we don't truly know how advanced and civilized our earth could've been. We could've been hanging with aliens in the past. And with a population ending disaster, we'd never know it. Hope it makes sense
well there'd probably be some physical evidence, don't you think?
Ya metal flying objects 1000's of years ago. Got it. I'm wrong and you guys are right as usual. No problem. Funny, u guys are arguing against aliens and yet you guys have said you believe in them. Odd
so you are right and we are wrong as usual?
not odd at all. yes, I believe in alien life. But I have stated time and again (and it states explicitly on each post) that I don't think they've been here.
and you don't find it odd that flying saucers were just milling about 2000 years ago with nary a care in the world, especially during some of the biggest historical moments in christian history?
it's interesting to me the parallels this draws. God was talking to people all over the place that long ago. apparently, aliens were hanging around during the same time period. coincidence? sounds like a whole lotta magic mushrooms being eaten.
Ah, how many times has the earth been "reset" with disasters. Species ending disasters. Look, you guys can believe in whatever the fuck u guys want, just as I and everyone else will. How about this hugh, we're ALL wrong. Only living things are found on earth and no matter what type of "evidence" people show us, they're wrong.
Edit-reason I asked about the earth being reset is for we don't truly know how advanced and civilized our earth could've been. We could've been hanging with aliens in the past. And with a population ending disaster, we'd never know it. Hope it makes sense
well there'd probably be some physical evidence, don't you think?
Haven't they been slowly finding things. And in reality, what would they tell us if they were using all this "God" talk to keep the masses in check? Or maybe an asteroid the size of jersey hit the earth and pretty much would wipe out anything of any kind of evidence? Idk, it gets real complicated.
Ya metal flying objects 1000's of years ago. Got it. I'm wrong and you guys are right as usual. No problem. Funny, u guys are arguing against aliens and yet you guys have said you believe in them. Odd
so you are right and we are wrong as usual?
not odd at all. yes, I believe in alien life. But I have stated time and again (and it states explicitly on each post) that I don't think they've been here.
and you don't find it odd that flying saucers were just milling about 2000 years ago with nary a care in the world, especially during some of the biggest historical moments in christian history?
it's interesting to me the parallels this draws. God was talking to people all over the place that long ago. apparently, aliens were hanging around during the same time period. coincidence? sounds like a whole lotta magic mushrooms being eaten.
Ah, how many times has the earth been "reset" with disasters. Species ending disasters. Look, you guys can believe in whatever the fuck u guys want, just as I and everyone else will. How about this hugh, we're ALL wrong. Only living things are found on earth and no matter what type of "evidence" people show us, they're wrong.
Edit-reason I asked about the earth being reset is for we don't truly know how advanced and civilized our earth could've been. We could've been hanging with aliens in the past. And with a population ending disaster, we'd never know it. Hope it makes sense
well there'd probably be some physical evidence, don't you think?
Haven't they been slowly finding things. And in reality, what would they tell us if they were using all this "God" talk to keep the masses in check? Or maybe an asteroid the size of jersey hit the earth and pretty much would wipe out anything of any kind of evidence? Idk, it gets real complicated.
Badbrains I agree with what you're saying here. I find it very strange soooooo many similarities in the painting/drawings from many years ago of UFOs. I also do see PJsoul and Hughs points though about the imagination and intelligence. Its a very interesting discussion. I do lean towards all the references to UFOs and aliens over time as being decent evidence that people have seen some similar things.
Badbrains I agree with what you're saying here. I find it very strange soooooo many similarities in the painting/drawings from many years ago of UFOs. I also do see PJsoul and Hughs points though about the imagination and intelligence. Its a very interesting discussion. I do lean towards all the references to UFOs and aliens over time as being decent evidence that people have seen some similar things.
Are we then to believe that there is decent evidence of Angels and Demons? There are many many similarities in the art from many years ago. What about sea monsters? There is a preponderance of evidence for sea monsters, yettis, mermaids, Angels, demons, shapeshifters, you name it. Are future archeologists going to be correct in assuming that we had contact with King Kong, Terminators, and X-Men?
DaVinci sketched a helicopter, and Jules Vern wrote about flying to the moon in 1865. West Coast Natives have stories about talking ravens thst make no sense, and the Bible has shit like burning talking bushes and giant voices in the sky and people rising from the dead. I don't think that drawings or stories about flying objects means much of anything by themselves. Oftenreading said it - there is no shortage of imagination when it comes to humans. All a person has to do is see a bird, and the imagination takes flying from there. Not that i am completely ruling out the possibility that some of these drawings, etc depict reality... but I don't see it as evidence by itself.
You're talking about a time when nobody has ever seen flying objects. Think about it. They didn't have TV or anything like that. Nobody just sits there bored and says this is what a flying machine will look like in the future and draw it 1000's of years before. Come on, let's be real here.
Yea, people do that. It's a way better explanation than saying it's proof of ETs.
Badbrains I agree with what you're saying here. I find it very strange soooooo many similarities in the painting/drawings from many years ago of UFOs. I also do see PJsoul and Hughs points though about the imagination and intelligence. Its a very interesting discussion. I do lean towards all the references to UFOs and aliens over time as being decent evidence that people have seen some similar things.
Are we then to believe that there is decent evidence of Angels and Demons? There are many many similarities in the art from many years ago. What about sea monsters? There is a preponderance of evidence for sea monsters, yettis, mermaids, Angels, demons, shapeshifters, you name it. Are future archeologists going to be correct in assuming that we had contact with King Kong, Terminators, and X-Men?
Oh i hear ya. Thats why I said I see those points too. I just tend to believe there is more to it than that. I understand people discrediting this evidence for sure. I don't understand people dismissing that there is a very good possibility that there could be a lot more out there than just us awesome humans
Can you determined the term ''proof'', please??..what is mean for you??
I can assure you that my definition of proof is not a guy hearing second hand stories "near the end of their lives."
and??..
Related to aliens, proof means I need to see it, hear it, and smell it. Anything less and I'm going to be skeptical. Stories just aren't going to make me believe.
Can you determined the term ''proof'', please??..what is mean for you??
I can assure you that my definition of proof is not a guy hearing second hand stories "near the end of their lives."
and??..
Related to aliens, proof means I need to see it, hear it, and smell it. Anything less and I'm going to be skeptical. Stories just aren't going to make me believe.
The irony is that if you did see it, hear it, smell it, and it became fact to you, hardly anyone would believe you anyway. Even if you got video footage of it, probably the majority of people still wouldn't believe you.... That's what has happened to everyone who has had a sighting so far, anyway, including the ones who offer video of it. One man's fact is literally another man's fiction sometimes!
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Can you determined the term ''proof'', please??..what is mean for you??
I can assure you that my definition of proof is not a guy hearing second hand stories "near the end of their lives."
and??..
Related to aliens, proof means I need to see it, hear it, and smell it. Anything less and I'm going to be skeptical. Stories just aren't going to make me believe.
The irony is that if you did see it, hear it, smell it, and it became fact to you, hardly anyone would believe you anyway. Even if you got video footage of it, probably the majority of people still wouldn't believe you.... That's what has happened to everyone who has had a sighting so far, anyway, including the ones who offer video of it. One man's fact is literally another man's fiction sometimes!
hope he never be in that position..
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Can you determined the term ''proof'', please??..what is mean for you??
I can assure you that my definition of proof is not a guy hearing second hand stories "near the end of their lives."
and??..
Related to aliens, proof means I need to see it, hear it, and smell it. Anything less and I'm going to be skeptical. Stories just aren't going to make me believe.
The irony is that if you did see it, hear it, smell it, and it became fact to you, hardly anyone would believe you anyway. Even if you got video footage of it, probably the majority of people still wouldn't believe you.... That's what has happened to everyone who has had a sighting so far, anyway, including the ones who offer video of it. One man's fact is literally another man's fiction sometimes!
The problem I have is that of the millions of "sightings" there isn't ONE good video of any of them. I've seen the lights in the sky videos. Sometimes unexplained is just that. And for the record PJsoul, I do believe your story. I have no doubt t you saw what you saw. I just doubt it was extra terrestrial.
Badbrains I agree with what you're saying here. I find it very strange soooooo many similarities in the painting/drawings from many years ago of UFOs. I also do see PJsoul and Hughs points though about the imagination and intelligence. Its a very interesting discussion. I do lean towards all the references to UFOs and aliens over time as being decent evidence that people have seen some similar things.
Are we then to believe that there is decent evidence of Angels and Demons? There are many many similarities in the art from many years ago. What about sea monsters? There is a preponderance of evidence for sea monsters, yettis, mermaids, Angels, demons, shapeshifters, you name it. Are future archeologists going to be correct in assuming that we had contact with King Kong, Terminators, and X-Men?
BADA BING ! well said.
with that I'll just watch and read. I truley believe man's imagination is very under rated when it come to this stuff about UFO's.......does anybody find it just a little crazy that as out technology improves so does the type of UFO craft that is sighted ?
Can you determined the term ''proof'', please??..what is mean for you??
I can assure you that my definition of proof is not a guy hearing second hand stories "near the end of their lives."
and??..
Related to aliens, proof means I need to see it, hear it, and smell it. Anything less and I'm going to be skeptical. Stories just aren't going to make me believe.
The irony is that if you did see it, hear it, smell it, and it became fact to you, hardly anyone would believe you anyway. Even if you got video footage of it, probably the majority of people still wouldn't believe you.... That's what has happened to everyone who has had a sighting so far, anyway, including the ones who offer video of it. One man's fact is literally another man's fiction sometimes!
The problem I have is that of the millions of "sightings" there isn't ONE good video of any of them. I've seen the lights in the sky videos. Sometimes unexplained is just that. And for the record PJsoul, I do believe your story. I have no doubt t you saw what you saw. I just doubt it was extra terrestrial.
I seriously doubt you're qualified to make that statement though. Chances are you haven't seen most of the videos of sightings, so can't say if there are any good videos out there. I know I've seen several that are incredibly "good" over the years (and others that aren't).
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I am a believer obviously... but I'm a bit of a skeptic, or at least a questioner, when it comes to a lot of "evidence" as well.
and when it's pictured next to someone who I believe to be fictitious, then it not only adds no credence, it takes away from it.
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not odd at all. yes, I believe in alien life. But I have stated time and again (and it states explicitly on each post) that I don't think they've been here.
and you don't find it odd that flying saucers were just milling about 2000 years ago with nary a care in the world, especially during some of the biggest historical moments in christian history?
it's interesting to me the parallels this draws. God was talking to people all over the place that long ago. apparently, aliens were hanging around during the same time period. coincidence? sounds like a whole lotta magic mushrooms being eaten.
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I have no idea of any of those drawings or stories are connected to aliens. I admit it's one possibility.... but i have no reason to assume it just because the drawings and stories exist. Could be the case! Or not.
Edit-reason I asked about the earth being reset is for we don't truly know how advanced and civilized our earth could've been. We could've been hanging with aliens in the past. And with a population ending disaster, we'd never know it. Hope it makes sense
And I don't quite understand your first statement. care to elaborate on that?
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What about sea monsters? There is a preponderance of evidence for sea monsters, yettis, mermaids, Angels, demons, shapeshifters, you name it.
Are future archeologists going to be correct in assuming that we had contact with King Kong, Terminators, and X-Men?
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Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
with that I'll just watch and read. I truley believe man's imagination is very under rated when it come to this stuff about UFO's.......does anybody find it just a little crazy that as out technology improves so does the type of UFO craft that is sighted ?
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