BIlly Corgan talks shit on PJ on Howard Stern show..

HesCalledDyer

facepollution said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Also, in my opinion, none of the SP albums can compare to any of the PJ albums.

Oh come on, Siamese Dream, SIAMESE DREAM! That album is absolutely airtight perfection.

I think I connect with Pearl Jam more on a lyrical basis, and Eddie is by far the better singer, but the musicianship on Siamese Dream is insanely good.

Best album of the 90's IMO.

SEACIDE

cuz the haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate
and the players gonna play play play play play

2-feign-reluctance

lolobugg said:

so I actually listened to the interview....
man, are you guys making WAY too much out of him attacking Pearl Jam.
I thought he made some good points.

Last-12-Exit

The Juggler said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Not at all. I've said several times that I like a lot of the SP music. Melon Collie is a brilliant CD. Also, in my opinion, none of the SP albums can compare to any of the PJ albums. And when it comes to live shows, there's no comparison. Why are you insisting on saying my feelings are hurt? I disagree with corgans assessment of himself. The SP are not an influential band. Pearl jam is definitely not as relevant as they were in the mid to late 90's, but they've always been more relevant as the SP.

If you're only argument for corgan is that LB isn't a great CD, then there's not much there. As I've said, several times, the smashing pumpkins haven't written a good album in a long time.

i don't think you understand the argument. you seem so caught up in being hurt by what corgan said and wanting to bash him that it's clouding your mind. obviously pj is the better band. don't be so insecure about that where you feel the need to defend them so much.

my thing is his assessment of the foos, while accurate, should've been the same assessment of pj instead of "they don't have the songs." obviously pj has the songs. they just, in my mind, havn't evolved as much as i've liked over the last 10 years or so. that's something a lot of people have been saying for years even before corgan said it.


i'm actually having a hard time wrapping my head around you thinking lightning bolt is a "great" album, though. you really think that? i mean do you put it on the same level as any of their first 5 albums? they're all great. tough to be much better than great, right?

Ok. You agree with corgan. That's great. I don't. And no, my feelings were not hurt by what he said. I'm not sure why you keep saying that. I simply disagee with his assessment of himself and of pearl jam. In turn, I also disagree with you. I THINK Melon Collie is a great CD. That's it. The other cds they released had a couple good songs a piece. But as a whole, they weren't that good. IMO. I also think that corgan putting himself in the same category as Kurt cobain is absurd. No hurt feelings.

Yes, I THINK LB is a great album. I'm not a huge fan of SBM or FD, but as a whole, I THINK the album is great. It is in MY top 3 or 4 favorites right now. I'm not sure why that's hard for you to wrap your head around. ITS MY OPINION.

2-feign-reluctance

Pioneers in alt-rock, amazing musicianship, love the snarling whine of BC. Still relevant today.

lolobugg

Love the new Thread Name. love the SP!!!
:-bd

PJ_Soul

Smashing Pumpkins in the 90s were awesome. "Smashing Pumpkins" in the 21st Century are meh at best.

I personally couldn't care less if Billy Corgan likes PJ's music, and I actually agree with him about the Foos comments. He should just be more graceful when expressing his opinions, given his position. The way he trash talks people is just off-putting and it makes me dislike him as a person. His music is separate from that.... and the music he makes now does nothing for me. But Mellon Collie is one of the best albums of all time IMO.

Kat

The original title of this thread reflects most of the comments on a certain topic. Changing the title in the middle of the discussion changes the topic and The Porch is about Pearl Jam. If you would like to discuss the Smashing Pumpkins now, you can make a thread or find an existing thread in the Other Music forum. Thanks. The original title is now restored on this thread. Or we can just move this topic to Other Music now if it's changing direction.

cp3iverson

Billy's definitely smart. This is the most he's been talked about in a decade.

igotid88

Vedd Hedd said:

Wma31394 said:

Pearl jam changed their sound and experimented?? When? I just don't hear it..

Who You Are
Smile
Soon Forget
Parting Ways
You Are
Arc
Anything from the weird Vitalogy stuff.

I remember when Who You Are was released as the first single from No Code. People lost their minds.

the username is another example of a changed sound. wma

lolobugg

cp3iverson said:

Billy's definitely smart. This is the most he's been talked about in a decade.

crafty S.O.B.-
he even got KAT to step in.
)

cp3iverson

PJ definitely evolved. I remember MTV News getting the public's opinion as a segment.

Right now their changes are less extreme but i think Billy's anger is that they're still doing things that he can no longer do.

RS151862

lolobugg said:

crafty S.O.B.-
he even got KAT to step in.
)

Kat was not in favor of any thread title change tom foolery. I had no idea Billy Corgan would inspire so much debate.

callen

The Juggler said:

TJ25487 said:

As far as Pearl Jam evolving or being experimental, others have touched on it here in the fact that they have been evolving their whole career. Making different sounding albums one after another. That is why they have lost so many listeners from the early days as most people would rather have them remake Ten over and over again (think Nickelback here). I would have left a long time ago. Are every one of there releases going to be the second coming? No but I sure as hell can put Backspacer on and enjoy the hell out of it and L-Bolt gives me Yield like feelings which I love. Peace!

see that's the thing. i'd love for them to go back to making different sounding albums that may end up alienating and losing more people. that's when they were at their best. problem is, i believe they've tried to do the opposite over the last decade by making more mainstream sounding music to draw in a bigger audience......the results have been mixed. mostly average to good albums (and backspacer) that sound cool live....but ultimately are more inconsistent and less challenging than their best work.

Agree, why we get Come Back and Sirens.

HughFreakingDillon

Last-12-Exit said:

The Juggler said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Not at all. I've said several times that I like a lot of the SP music. Melon Collie is a brilliant CD. Also, in my opinion, none of the SP albums can compare to any of the PJ albums. And when it comes to live shows, there's no comparison. Why are you insisting on saying my feelings are hurt? I disagree with corgans assessment of himself. The SP are not an influential band. Pearl jam is definitely not as relevant as they were in the mid to late 90's, but they've always been more relevant as the SP.

If you're only argument for corgan is that LB isn't a great CD, then there's not much there. As I've said, several times, the smashing pumpkins haven't written a good album in a long time.

i don't think you understand the argument. you seem so caught up in being hurt by what corgan said and wanting to bash him that it's clouding your mind. obviously pj is the better band. don't be so insecure about that where you feel the need to defend them so much.

my thing is his assessment of the foos, while accurate, should've been the same assessment of pj instead of "they don't have the songs." obviously pj has the songs. they just, in my mind, havn't evolved as much as i've liked over the last 10 years or so. that's something a lot of people have been saying for years even before corgan said it.


i'm actually having a hard time wrapping my head around you thinking lightning bolt is a "great" album, though. you really think that? i mean do you put it on the same level as any of their first 5 albums? they're all great. tough to be much better than great, right?

Ok. You agree with corgan. That's great. I don't. And no, my feelings were not hurt by what he said. I'm not sure why you keep saying that. I simply disagee with his assessment of himself and of pearl jam.

trying to get a rise out of you.

and anyone who says "obviously (this band) is better than (this band)" doesn't understand the meaning behind subjectivity. there is no fact in opinion.

lolobugg

RS151862 said:

lolobugg said:

crafty S.O.B.-
he even got KAT to step in.
)

Kat was not in favor of any thread title change tom foolery. I had no idea Billy Corgan would inspire so much debate.

he's still polarizing after all these years.
liked that OFF-cial title, though

SD48277

lolobugg said:

RS151862 said:

lolobugg said:

crafty S.O.B.-
he even got KAT to step in.
)

Kat was not in favor of any thread title change tom foolery. I had no idea Billy Corgan would inspire so much debate.

he's still polarizing after all these years.
liked that OFF-cial title, though

BI-lly

lolobugg

SD48277 said:

lolobugg said:

RS151862 said:

lolobugg said:

crafty S.O.B.-
he even got KAT to step in.
)

Kat was not in favor of any thread title change tom foolery. I had no idea Billy Corgan would inspire so much debate.

he's still polarizing after all these years.
liked that OFF-cial title, though

BI-lly

)

facepollution

cp3iverson said:

PJ definitely evolved. I remember MTV News getting the public's opinion as a segment.

Right now their changes are less extreme but i think Billy's anger is that they're still doing things that he can no longer do.

What are they doing that he can no longer do? I think his issue is that their popularity has remained, despite the fact they haven't really evolved much, musically speaking.

I kind of get where he's coming from. In the (fairly) brief history of rock music, a band had their heyday, then they either broke up, or they retained their popularity through nothing other than nostalgia. When you think of bands from the 60's, 70's, 80's - most of them split up long ago, and those still going are really only living on past glories. His point is really a case of relevance - and his belief is that if a band isn't striving to break new ground, they have resigned themselves to the nostalgia circuit.

To be honest I don't find his comments all that odd, without his desire to innovate we never would have had Siamese Dream or Mellon Collie - the leaps he made as a musician between those first few record were incredible. Adore came at an awkward time, because with the rise of acts like the Prodigy, everyone was convinced that electronic music was the future - the amount of bands who suddenly started using electronic beats and samples - it was pretty cringe worthy. And I don't think Billy ever really got past that. Just as Pearl Jam can still write a song as mainstream as Sirens, I have no doubt Billy Corgan could write something just as mainstream as Today - but his desire to remain true to his ideals just won't let him.

CharlieP

The guy believes that art is a competition....enough said