I don't think he was insinuating that we don't have a gun problem in the states. I think he was trying to point out that for a group of people who use "we gotta do whatever it takes to save lives, if it saves even one life it's worth it", you guys are quick to turn around and point out all the reasons why it's ok for people to be hurt and killed by anything other than a gun.
can you appreciate how frustrating it is to hear people say, oh em gee guys, human life is so precious and special we gotta save these people shot by guns, they should still be alive, but oh yeah it's cool if people die from this and that, it's silly to want to save anyone other than gun victims. why? well because I came up with a personal rationalization of why it's ok for everyone else to die except people shot by guns. but I really, really care about human life.
every single time you anti gunners have gotten me pumped up about saving lives, you guys have let me down every time. you guys say you want to save lives, I say great!!!, think of how many lives we could save if we had the same mentality with alcohol, tobacco, cars and steak knives that we use with guns. and every time I get laughed at or scoffed at, laughed at for wanting to increase the amount of lives saved exponentially, and hit with your personal rationalizations of why it's ok those people die and how i'm wrong for not focusing on guns.
you guys wanna ban guns?, make it so people can't defend themselves against armed thugs? more power to ya, but please stop saying you want prohibition and extreme regulation to save lives when obviously saving lives is just a convenient by product of your ultimate goal, which is to get rid of guns because you don't like them. at least don't do that if you want to be taken serious by the people you're trying to convince to give up their guns.
that being said, I think i'm going into mostly observer mode these days. i'm always on the lookout for new opinions and viewpoints, I like being able to say, oh yeah I didn't think about it like that. I haven't read anything to make me change my beliefs regarding guns and I think all of us are starting to sound like a broken record. i'm sure you guys will be glad to not hear my car analogies anymore. that if we banned cars we would save thousands and thousands of human lives, even more animal lives, we wouldn't be dumping pollution into the air and obese fucks would be forced to get exercise thereby saving even more lives. hehe. I digress. so have fun with the gun prohibition, you guys can take great comfort in knowing that 9 out of 10 kids prefer crayons to guns, and I can take great comfort in knowing I have unfettered access to any firearm I want.
a special shout out to thirty, gimmie, and blux. you guys were/are my favorite people to debate and banter with. I did/do enjoy reading your posts. peace in tha middle homies.
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
Verona. Point was a gun doesn't make you safer, not that there aren't other things we do that may be more dangerous like driving which is indeed the most dangerous thing we do everyday. Though driving is dangerous still bad to have people walking around with guns.
I don't think he was insinuating that we don't have a gun problem in the states. I think he was trying to point out that for a group of people who use "we gotta do whatever it takes to save lives, if it saves even one life it's worth it", you guys are quick to turn around and point out all the reasons why it's ok for people to be hurt and killed by anything other than a gun.
can you appreciate how frustrating it is to hear people say, oh em gee guys, human life is so precious and special we gotta save these people shot by guns, they should still be alive, but oh yeah it's cool if people die from this and that, it's silly to want to save anyone other than gun victims. why? well because I came up with a personal rationalization of why it's ok for everyone else to die except people shot by guns. but I really, really care about human life.
every single time you anti gunners have gotten me pumped up about saving lives, you guys have let me down every time. you guys say you want to save lives, I say great!!!, think of how many lives we could save if we had the same mentality with alcohol, tobacco, cars and steak knives that we use with guns. and every time I get laughed at or scoffed at, laughed at for wanting to increase the amount of lives saved exponentially, and hit with your personal rationalizations of why it's ok those people die and how i'm wrong for not focusing on guns.
you guys wanna ban guns?, make it so people can't defend themselves against armed thugs? more power to ya, but please stop saying you want prohibition and extreme regulation to save lives when obviously saving lives is just a convenient by product of your ultimate goal, which is to get rid of guns because you don't like them. at least don't do that if you want to be taken serious by the people you're trying to convince to give up their guns.
that being said, I think i'm going into mostly observer mode these days. i'm always on the lookout for new opinions and viewpoints, I like being able to say, oh yeah I didn't think about it like that. I haven't read anything to make me change my beliefs regarding guns and I think all of us are starting to sound like a broken record. i'm sure you guys will be glad to not hear my car analogies anymore. that if we banned cars we would save thousands and thousands of human lives, even more animal lives, we wouldn't be dumping pollution into the air and obese fucks would be forced to get exercise thereby saving even more lives. hehe. I digress. so have fun with the gun prohibition, you guys can take great comfort in knowing that 9 out of 10 kids prefer crayons to guns, and I can take great comfort in knowing I have unfettered access to any firearm I want.
a special shout out to thirty, gimmie, and blux. you guys were/are my favorite people to debate and banter with. I did/do enjoy reading your posts. peace in tha middle homies.
Pretty high and mighty from someone who refuses again and again to recognize that cars exist to enrich lives and guns exist to end lives. Not to mention the litany of regulations that exist to make cars safer that grows almost yearly, which is another analogy buster. It's a tired analogy which has been thoroughly debunked on here, but anti gunners are the ones who shouldn't be taken seriously?
@ rgambs, right you just proved my point thank you. that's your personal rationalization that says it's ok for people to die by cars because they are designed to "enrich". and you make it sound like politicians aren't always passing laws or trying to pass laws with regards to guns to make society "safer", like there hasn't been gun legislation in a century or something. they are, it's just that it's easy for a lot of it to get repealed because it doesn't work. and thoroughly debunked? come on man, you can't debunk an opinion. you're putting your opinion in the 2+2=4 category and not in the, the best food in the world is Chinese food category. the guns exist to end lives is your opinion not fact. many people, including gun makers, would argue that a gun exists to shoot a projectile as long and as accurate as possible. target shooters that don't kill things are a prime example of a gun existing not to kill.
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if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
@ rgambs, right you just proved my point thank you. that's your personal rationalization that says it's ok for people to die by cars because they are designed to "enrich". and you make it sound like politicians aren't always passing laws or trying to pass laws with regards to guns to make society "safer", like there hasn't been gun legislation in a century or something. they are, it's just that it's easy for a lot of it to get repealed because it doesn't work. and thoroughly debunked? come on man, you can't debunk an opinion. you're putting your opinion in the 2+2=4 category and not in the, the best food in the world is Chinese food category. the guns exist to end lives is your opinion not fact. many people, including gun makers, would argue that a gun exists to shoot a projectile as long and as accurate as possible. target shooters that don't kill things are a prime example of a gun existing not kill.
I didn't say it's OK for people to die by cars because they are meant to enrich. I was saying it is not at all accurate to compare the two by analogy because they don't exist for even remotely comparable purposes. Analogies aren't opinions like chinese food ratings, they are systems by which two things which are different are compared through common circumstances and criteria...therefore when they are obviously using unrelated circumstances and criteria they are in fact debunked. Would you care to argue for atomic weapons vs. Atomic energy by analogy or does that fail to make sense because of their relative purposes? Significant laws limiting access to guns are much rarer than you imply, and "it doesn't work" is fallacious, there has never been a statistically relevant period of legitimate gun restriction. This guns don't exist to end lives baloney is pure equivocation. Were guns created to shoot inanimate targets? Is that why they were invented? Don't accuse anti-gunners of rationalization if you are going to claim that guns exist to fire projectiles in some sort of world which exists as a vacuum devoid of intent.
Smoking..... I don't smoke(I used to years ago),I think it smells and kills you fast.I hate walking out of an establishment into the cloud by the entrance.Cancer sticks kill way more then any gun.they are used irresponsibly everyday.Should they outlawed,abolished and illegal? As much as I think it would way better for the Earth,my lungs and society the answer is no. Peeps have the freedom to smell like ass,spend a bunch of money and kill themselves even though those little sticks are killers by the millions. So maybe The same line of thinking should apply to gun ownership and our views on how best to see after our loved ones.
Smoking..... I don't smoke(I used to years ago),I think it smells and kills you fast.I hate walking out of an establishment into the cloud by the entrance.Cancer sticks kill way more then any gun.they are used irresponsibly everyday.Should they outlawed,abolished and illegal? As much as I think it would way better for the Earth,my lungs and society the answer is no. Peeps have the freedom to smell like ass,spend a bunch of money and kill themselves even though those little sticks are killers by the millions. So maybe The same line of thinking should apply to gun ownership and our views on how best to see after our loved ones.
remotely comparable? both groups are being killed, that's the comparison. people killed by guns and cars are both killed by inanimate objects that we don't need, and you say there's no comparison? I don't want to get back into the car/gun debate as it starts to contradict my previous post, but will leave you with this. in my opinion, the world would be a whole lot better off if when confronted with news of a persons death, the question we ask ourselves is did this person die of old age in their sleep, and not was this person killed by a gun? have a great day.
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
Smoking..... I don't smoke(I used to years ago),I think it smells and kills you fast.I hate walking out of an establishment into the cloud by the entrance.Cancer sticks kill way more then any gun.they are used irresponsibly everyday.Should they outlawed,abolished and illegal? As much as I think it would way better for the Earth,my lungs and society the answer is no. Peeps have the freedom to smell like ass,spend a bunch of money and kill themselves even though those little sticks are killers by the millions. So maybe The same line of thinking should apply to gun ownership and our views on how best to see after our loved ones.
would you be ok with having the same rules for smokes that you do for guns? i.e you can't smoke inside a store, you can't buy smokes if you are under 19 (thats in Canada, i don't know about the usa) it is against the law to give smokes to people under 19. in Canada, smokes are hidden away from the customer and you can't advertise. in Ontario canada, you can't smoke inside your car if there are kids under 16 in the car.
Smoking..... I don't smoke(I used to years ago),I think it smells and kills you fast.I hate walking out of an establishment into the cloud by the entrance.Cancer sticks kill way more then any gun.they are used irresponsibly everyday.Should they outlawed,abolished and illegal? As much as I think it would way better for the Earth,my lungs and society the answer is no. Peeps have the freedom to smell like ass,spend a bunch of money and kill themselves even though those little sticks are killers by the millions. So maybe The same line of thinking should apply to gun ownership and our views on how best to see after our loved ones.
If you smoke you put yourself at risk. If I go to a wedding and one of the guests is carrying a gun and consumes alcohol it puts me at risk. That is the difference.
Smoking..... I don't smoke(I used to years ago),I think it smells and kills you fast.I hate walking out of an establishment into the cloud by the entrance.Cancer sticks kill way more then any gun.they are used irresponsibly everyday.Should they outlawed,abolished and illegal? As much as I think it would way better for the Earth,my lungs and society the answer is no. Peeps have the freedom to smell like ass,spend a bunch of money and kill themselves even though those little sticks are killers by the millions. So maybe The same line of thinking should apply to gun ownership and our views on how best to see after our loved ones.
If you smoke you put yourself at risk. If I go to a wedding and one of the guests is carrying a gun and consumes alcohol it puts me at risk. That is the difference.
Not true Callen , second hand smoke is a mass murderer!!
Smoking..... I don't smoke(I used to years ago),I think it smells and kills you fast.I hate walking out of an establishment into the cloud by the entrance.Cancer sticks kill way more then any gun.they are used irresponsibly everyday.Should they outlawed,abolished and illegal? As much as I think it would way better for the Earth,my lungs and society the answer is no. Peeps have the freedom to smell like ass,spend a bunch of money and kill themselves even though those little sticks are killers by the millions. So maybe The same line of thinking should apply to gun ownership and our views on how best to see after our loved ones.
would you be ok with having the same rules for smokes that you do for guns? i.e you can't smoke inside a store, you can't buy smokes if you are under 19 (thats in Canada, i don't know about the usa) it is against the law to give smokes to people under 19. in Canada, smokes are hidden away from the customer and you can't advertise. in Ontario canada, you can't smoke inside your car if there are kids under 16 in the car.
For the most part sure.And the rules that most of us follow are along those lines but way more strict.Its not me,Verona,Chad,Gf ,Last Exit,jimmy, and others on here you need to be concerned with.We do follow the rules.Its the gang banger or hood rat thief who stole a Gun or bought one on the black market.You know the same idiots I'm looking to protect my family,buisness and property from.
So this conversation and others make me think of the Aron Lewis (From Staind) song "Country Boy".Some of you will think its stupid others will relate to it.But I think the lyrics highlight a way of thinking that at least I know I can relate to.But I'm from the south.
AARON LEWIS – COUNTRY BOY LYRICS
Now I grew up down an old dirt road in a town you wouldn't know.
My Pops picked the place up for fifteen hundred bucks back in 1964.
My grandfather was a drinker back in the day he
Put em down
But a war is known to change a man, and the whiskeys known to change a man
But that's not me.
I rarely drink from the bottle
But I'll smoke a little weed.
I still live in the sticks where you wouldn't go in a town of 1200 off an old dirt road 'and a country boy is all I'll ever be.
Now it's been 12 years since I've sold my soul to the devil in L.A.
He said sign your name here on the dotted line and your songs they all will play.
He set up shop on Sunset
He put me up at the Marquee
He said "you want to sell a million records boy, you better listen to me".
He said "change your style
Whiten your smile
You could lose a couple pounds
If you want to live this life you better lose that wife
Do you need your friends around?" And I said
No that's not me.
The biggest things in life are my friends and family.
And I like my jeans and my old t shirts and a couple extra pounds never really hurt 'cause a country boy is all I'll ever be 'cause Hank taught me just how to stay alive.
You'll never catch me out the house without my 9 or.45.
I got a big orange tractor and a diesel truck
And my idea of heaven is chasing white tail bucks
And as a country boy I know can survive
Now two flags fly above my land that really sum up how I feel.
One is the colors that fly high and proud
The red the white the blue
The other ones got a rattle snake with a simple statement made
Don't Tread on Me is what it says and I'll take that to my grave because this is me
I'm proud to be American and strong in my beliefs.
And I've said it before but I'll say it again cause I've never needed Government to hold my hand
And I've said it before and but I'll say it again cause my family's always fought and died to save this land and a country boy is all I'll ever be.
I love my country, I love my guns, I love my family, I love the way it is now, and anybody that tries to change it has to come through me, that should be all of our attitudes, cause this is America, and a country boys good enough for me, son
Smoking..... I don't smoke(I used to years ago),I think it smells and kills you fast.I hate walking out of an establishment into the cloud by the entrance.Cancer sticks kill way more then any gun.they are used irresponsibly everyday.Should they outlawed,abolished and illegal? As much as I think it would way better for the Earth,my lungs and society the answer is no. Peeps have the freedom to smell like ass,spend a bunch of money and kill themselves even though those little sticks are killers by the millions. So maybe The same line of thinking should apply to gun ownership and our views on how best to see after our loved ones.
would you be ok with having the same rules for smokes that you do for guns? i.e you can't smoke inside a store, you can't buy smokes if you are under 19 (thats in Canada, i don't know about the usa) it is against the law to give smokes to people under 19. in Canada, smokes are hidden away from the customer and you can't advertise. in Ontario canada, you can't smoke inside your car if there are kids under 16 in the car.
For the most part sure.And the rules that most of us follow are along those lines but way more strict.Its not me,Verona,Chad,Gf ,Last Exit,jimmy, and others on here you need to be concerned with.We do follow the rules.Its the gang banger or hood rat thief who stole a Gun or bought one on the black market.You know the same idiots I'm looking to protect my family,buisness and property from.
of course we have to watch out for gang and people who steal guns but I don't believe that they are the only people killing others. also, some of those people who have stolen their guns steal them from people like you who are law abiding people
secondly, what do you mean by saying " for the most part"?
So this conversation and others make me think of the Aron Lewis (From Staind) song "Country Boy".Some of you will think its stupid others will relate to it.But I think the lyrics highlight a way of thinking that at least I know I can relate to.But I'm from the south.
AARON LEWIS – COUNTRY BOY LYRICS
Now I grew up down an old dirt road in a town you wouldn't know.
My Pops picked the place up for fifteen hundred bucks back in 1964.
My grandfather was a drinker back in the day he
Put em down
But a war is known to change a man, and the whiskeys known to change a man
But that's not me.
I rarely drink from the bottle
But I'll smoke a little weed.
I still live in the sticks where you wouldn't go in a town of 1200 off an old dirt road 'and a country boy is all I'll ever be.
Now it's been 12 years since I've sold my soul to the devil in L.A.
He said sign your name here on the dotted line and your songs they all will play.
He set up shop on Sunset
He put me up at the Marquee
He said "you want to sell a million records boy, you better listen to me".
He said "change your style
Whiten your smile
You could lose a couple pounds
If you want to live this life you better lose that wife
Do you need your friends around?" And I said
No that's not me.
The biggest things in life are my friends and family.
And I like my jeans and my old t shirts and a couple extra pounds never really hurt 'cause a country boy is all I'll ever be 'cause Hank taught me just how to stay alive.
You'll never catch me out the house without my 9 or.45.
I got a big orange tractor and a diesel truck
And my idea of heaven is chasing white tail bucks
And as a country boy I know can survive
Now two flags fly above my land that really sum up how I feel.
One is the colors that fly high and proud
The red the white the blue
The other ones got a rattle snake with a simple statement made
Don't Tread on Me is what it says and I'll take that to my grave because this is me
I'm proud to be American and strong in my beliefs.
And I've said it before but I'll say it again cause I've never needed Government to hold my hand
And I've said it before and but I'll say it again cause my family's always fought and died to save this land and a country boy is all I'll ever be.
I love my country, I love my guns, I love my family, I love the way it is now, and anybody that tries to change it has to come through me, that should be all of our attitudes, cause this is America, and a country boys good enough for me, son
I am sorry to say this but what the hell. I could hear this song being sung by some good old boys in the 60s while beating the crap out of black people.
secondly, i can never understand how someone can actually say that they have never needed government. i understand that it sounds cool but it such a lie.
Smoking..... I don't smoke(I used to years ago),I think it smells and kills you fast.I hate walking out of an establishment into the cloud by the entrance.Cancer sticks kill way more then any gun.they are used irresponsibly everyday.Should they outlawed,abolished and illegal? As much as I think it would way better for the Earth,my lungs and society the answer is no. Peeps have the freedom to smell like ass,spend a bunch of money and kill themselves even though those little sticks are killers by the millions. So maybe The same line of thinking should apply to gun ownership and our views on how best to see after our loved ones.
If you smoke you put yourself at risk. If I go to a wedding and one of the guests is carrying a gun and consumes alcohol it puts me at risk. That is the difference.
Not true Callen , second hand smoke is a mass murderer!!
True. But we're adjusting our laws to restrict smoking in public places. Public parks are now smoke free in my city. I can pretty much avoid cig smoke. With guns we're doing the opposite.
Smoking..... I don't smoke(I used to years ago),I think it smells and kills you fast.I hate walking out of an establishment into the cloud by the entrance.Cancer sticks kill way more then any gun.they are used irresponsibly everyday.Should they outlawed,abolished and illegal? As much as I think it would way better for the Earth,my lungs and society the answer is no. Peeps have the freedom to smell like ass,spend a bunch of money and kill themselves even though those little sticks are killers by the millions. So maybe The same line of thinking should apply to gun ownership and our views on how best to see after our loved ones.
If you smoke you put yourself at risk. If I go to a wedding and one of the guests is carrying a gun and consumes alcohol it puts me at risk. That is the difference.
Not true Callen , second hand smoke is a mass murderer!!
True. But we're adjusting our laws to restrict smoking in public places. Public parks are now smoke free in my city. I can pretty much avoid cig smoke. With guns we're doing the opposite.
I think we can also say that attitudes around smoking is not the same attitude that we have with guns. the perfect example of this is the story of the 8 year old whose parents allowed her to target shoot with an ozi (sorry spelling is just getting worse for me as the day goes on). i bet those parents would not give that girl a smoke.
So this conversation and others make me think of the Aron Lewis (From Staind) song "Country Boy".Some of you will think its stupid others will relate to it.But I think the lyrics highlight a way of thinking that at least I know I can relate to.But I'm from the south.
AARON LEWIS – COUNTRY BOY LYRICS
Now I grew up down an old dirt road in a town you wouldn't know.
My Pops picked the place up for fifteen hundred bucks back in 1964.
My grandfather was a drinker back in the day he
Put em down
But a war is known to change a man, and the whiskeys known to change a man
But that's not me.
I rarely drink from the bottle
But I'll smoke a little weed.
I still live in the sticks where you wouldn't go in a town of 1200 off an old dirt road 'and a country boy is all I'll ever be.
Now it's been 12 years since I've sold my soul to the devil in L.A.
He said sign your name here on the dotted line and your songs they all will play.
He set up shop on Sunset
He put me up at the Marquee
He said "you want to sell a million records boy, you better listen to me".
He said "change your style
Whiten your smile
You could lose a couple pounds
If you want to live this life you better lose that wife
Do you need your friends around?" And I said
No that's not me.
The biggest things in life are my friends and family.
And I like my jeans and my old t shirts and a couple extra pounds never really hurt 'cause a country boy is all I'll ever be 'cause Hank taught me just how to stay alive.
You'll never catch me out the house without my 9 or.45.
I got a big orange tractor and a diesel truck
And my idea of heaven is chasing white tail bucks
And as a country boy I know can survive
Now two flags fly above my land that really sum up how I feel.
One is the colors that fly high and proud
The red the white the blue
The other ones got a rattle snake with a simple statement made
Don't Tread on Me is what it says and I'll take that to my grave because this is me
I'm proud to be American and strong in my beliefs.
And I've said it before but I'll say it again cause I've never needed Government to hold my hand
And I've said it before and but I'll say it again cause my family's always fought and died to save this land and a country boy is all I'll ever be.
I love my country, I love my guns, I love my family, I love the way it is now, and anybody that tries to change it has to come through me, that should be all of our attitudes, cause this is America, and a country boys good enough for me, son
I am sorry to say this but what the hell. I could hear this song being sung by some good old boys in the 60s while beating the crap out of black people.
secondly, i can never understand how someone can actually say that they have never needed government. i understand that it sounds cool but it such a lie.
His meaning is he has never needed a hand out or govt assistance to get by.Hard work and honest living got it done.Rely on yourself to make it,not others. If more people followed these rules instead of sucking from the govt tit,this country would be a hell of a lot stronger.You know having pride in achieving on your own sweat equity.Extremly noble indeed. And there is nothing even close to Rascist in the song.
Smoking..... I don't smoke(I used to years ago),I think it smells and kills you fast.I hate walking out of an establishment into the cloud by the entrance.Cancer sticks kill way more then any gun.they are used irresponsibly everyday.Should they outlawed,abolished and illegal? As much as I think it would way better for the Earth,my lungs and society the answer is no. Peeps have the freedom to smell like ass,spend a bunch of money and kill themselves even though those little sticks are killers by the millions. So maybe The same line of thinking should apply to gun ownership and our views on how best to see after our loved ones.
would you be ok with having the same rules for smokes that you do for guns? i.e you can't smoke inside a store, you can't buy smokes if you are under 19 (thats in Canada, i don't know about the usa) it is against the law to give smokes to people under 19. in Canada, smokes are hidden away from the customer and you can't advertise. in Ontario canada, you can't smoke inside your car if there are kids under 16 in the car.
For the most part sure.And the rules that most of us follow are along those lines but way more strict.Its not me,Verona,Chad,Gf ,Last Exit,jimmy, and others on here you need to be concerned with.We do follow the rules.Its the gang banger or hood rat thief who stole a Gun or bought one on the black market.You know the same idiots I'm looking to protect my family,buisness and property from.
of course we have to watch out for gang and people who steal guns but I don't believe that they are the only people killing others. also, some of those people who have stolen their guns steal them from people like you who are law abiding people
secondly, what do you mean by saying " for the most part"?
You asked if I'd be ok with the same restrictions.I said yes for the most part I would or do agree with that.
Right. And removed most smoking from TV but shoot em up violence, no problem.
very true. and god forbid you see a nipple for less than 1 second in the superbowl!
Yeah that pretty much nailed how fkn stupid we are. "Oh my daughter could of seen that inappropriate material". She's got two dumbass. And your son's been whacking off to your wife's Cosmo for two years.
Who had his First Amendment rights trampled when he was fired from ESPN after he compared the President to Hitler on Fox News. Who has a led a life of drug & alcohol abuse. Who was arrested for assaulting a waitress. Who was 18 years old during Vietnam, but somehow managed to avoid being drafted. Some patriot.
This is exactly the type of person who should not own a gun, much less be permitted to conceal/carry.
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can you appreciate how frustrating it is to hear people say, oh em gee guys, human life is so precious and special we gotta save these people shot by guns, they should still be alive, but oh yeah it's cool if people die from this and that, it's silly to want to save anyone other than gun victims. why? well because I came up with a personal rationalization of why it's ok for everyone else to die except people shot by guns. but I really, really care about human life.
every single time you anti gunners have gotten me pumped up about saving lives, you guys have let me down every time. you guys say you want to save lives, I say great!!!, think of how many lives we could save if we had the same mentality with alcohol, tobacco, cars and steak knives that we use with guns. and every time I get laughed at or scoffed at, laughed at for wanting to increase the amount of lives saved exponentially, and hit with your personal rationalizations of why it's ok those people die and how i'm wrong for not focusing on guns.
you guys wanna ban guns?, make it so people can't defend themselves against armed thugs? more power to ya, but please stop saying you want prohibition and extreme regulation to save lives when obviously saving lives is just a convenient by product of your ultimate goal, which is to get rid of guns because you don't like them. at least don't do that if you want to be taken serious by the people you're trying to convince to give up their guns.
that being said, I think i'm going into mostly observer mode these days. i'm always on the lookout for new opinions and viewpoints, I like being able to say, oh yeah I didn't think about it like that. I haven't read anything to make me change my beliefs regarding guns and I think all of us are starting to sound like a broken record. i'm sure you guys will be glad to not hear my car analogies anymore. that if we banned cars we would save thousands and thousands of human lives, even more animal lives, we wouldn't be dumping pollution into the air and obese fucks would be forced to get exercise thereby saving even more lives. hehe. I digress. so have fun with the gun prohibition, you guys can take great comfort in knowing that 9 out of 10 kids prefer crayons to guns, and I can take great comfort in knowing I have unfettered access to any firearm I want.
a special shout out to thirty, gimmie, and blux. you guys were/are my favorite people to debate and banter with. I did/do enjoy reading your posts. peace in tha middle homies.
the guns exist to end lives is your opinion not fact. many people, including gun makers, would argue that a gun exists to shoot a projectile as long and as accurate as possible. target shooters that don't kill things are a prime example of a gun existing not to kill.
Significant laws limiting access to guns are much rarer than you imply, and "it doesn't work" is fallacious, there has never been a statistically relevant period of legitimate gun restriction. This guns don't exist to end lives baloney is pure equivocation. Were guns created to shoot inanimate targets? Is that why they were invented? Don't accuse anti-gunners of rationalization if you are going to claim that guns exist to fire projectiles in some sort of world which exists as a vacuum devoid of intent.
So maybe The same line of thinking should apply to gun ownership and our views on how best to see after our loved ones.
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
AARON LEWIS – COUNTRY BOY LYRICS
Now I grew up down an old dirt road in a town you wouldn't know.
My Pops picked the place up for fifteen hundred bucks back in 1964.
My grandfather was a drinker back in the day he
Put em down
But a war is known to change a man, and the whiskeys known to change a man
But that's not me.
I rarely drink from the bottle
But I'll smoke a little weed.
I still live in the sticks where you wouldn't go in a town of 1200 off an old dirt road 'and a country boy is all I'll ever be.
Now it's been 12 years since I've sold my soul to the devil in L.A.
He said sign your name here on the dotted line and your songs they all will play.
He set up shop on Sunset
He put me up at the Marquee
He said "you want to sell a million records boy, you better listen to me".
He said "change your style
Whiten your smile
You could lose a couple pounds
If you want to live this life you better lose that wife
Do you need your friends around?" And I said
No that's not me.
The biggest things in life are my friends and family.
And I like my jeans and my old t shirts and a couple extra pounds never really hurt 'cause a country boy is all I'll ever be 'cause Hank taught me just how to stay alive.
You'll never catch me out the house without my 9 or.45.
I got a big orange tractor and a diesel truck
And my idea of heaven is chasing white tail bucks
And as a country boy I know can survive
Now two flags fly above my land that really sum up how I feel.
One is the colors that fly high and proud
The red the white the blue
The other ones got a rattle snake with a simple statement made
Don't Tread on Me is what it says and I'll take that to my grave because this is me
I'm proud to be American and strong in my beliefs.
And I've said it before but I'll say it again cause I've never needed Government to hold my hand
And I've said it before and but I'll say it again cause my family's always fought and died to save this land and a country boy is all I'll ever be.
I love my country, I love my guns, I love my family, I love the way it is now, and anybody that tries to change it has to come through me, that should be all of our attitudes, cause this is America, and a country boys good enough for me, son
secondly, what do you mean by saying " for the most part"?
secondly, i can never understand how someone can actually say that they have never needed government. i understand that it sounds cool but it such a lie.
If more people followed these rules instead of sucking from the govt tit,this country would be a hell of a lot stronger.You know having pride in achieving on your own sweat equity.Extremly noble indeed.
And there is nothing even close to Rascist in the song.
Okay rant over. Back to guns. Guns suck!
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"I'd love to spit Beech nut in that guys eye,then shoot him with my 45" great line,Classic Bo .
I wish I knew how to get the video to post and not just the link.I think I will work on it this weekend.
http://www.cbs12.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_19365.shtml
Ah yes, noted legal scholar Hank Williams Jr.
Who had his First Amendment rights trampled when he was fired from ESPN after he compared the President to Hitler on Fox News. Who has a led a life of drug & alcohol abuse. Who was arrested for assaulting a waitress. Who was 18 years old during Vietnam, but somehow managed to avoid being drafted. Some patriot.
This is exactly the type of person who should not own a gun, much less be permitted to conceal/carry.
Here is the Aaron Lewis Video.Sorry for link.Chad at least you will enjoy it.