Yield

RockKing

likepilateihaveadog wrote:

I guess my question is, does this hopeless reading of YIELD have any merit? Is there anything that hands-down discredits it?

I think GTF and PMPM both discredit it quite soundly. I think YIELD points out the negative side of escaping and gives specific examples in several songs, as you've mentioned. I think they're merely saying this is what you are up against. This is what you need to beware of. I think DTE even has more positivity to it than most people realize. It's about hope disguised in turmoil. I've always said, I don't see DTE as an angry song at all, I see it as an urgent song. I don't hear Ed as much angry in that song as I do impatient.

And maybe that opens a whole different discussion. Does impatience lead to escape or YIELDing? But I think the important thing to remember about YIELD is Push Me, Pull Me. The ultimate song about giving way....letting go of the forces that are holding us back. Learning to accept the path and to take the path. This is why it's the climax of the album for me.

Finally, I think GTF is such an overwhelmingly positive and uplifting song, that I think it overrides any thought of YIELD as a whole representing any sort of impending doom. YIELD definitely shows us the doom that can exist if we don't make change and/or if we simply run from the challenges and fears that we have. But if we face these fears and challenges head-on, and proactively MAKE change, then we will find the peaceful rest that ATY alludes to. And that's the key difference, to me, between escape and YIELDing....Escape is not proactively MAKING change, but rather running away to a place, whereby the change is brought to you, while YIELDing is you actively making the change and overcoming the negative forces that are in our way.

distantsun

no doubt that PMPM is the climax of the album. it is the album's core. ATY is not really an afterthought though; it's a conclusion with a last call to action. or maybe, inaction. depending on the situation.

distantsun

RockKing wrote:

Finally, I think GTF is such an overwhelmingly positive and uplifting song, that I think it overrides any thought of YIELD as a whole representing any sort of impending doom. YIELD definitely shows us the doom that can exist if we don't make change and/or if we simply run from the challenges and fears that we have. But if we face these fears and challenges head-on, and proactively MAKE change, then we will find the peaceful rest that ATY alludes to. And that's the key difference, to me, between escape and YIELDing....Escape is not proactively MAKING change, but rather running away to a place, whereby the change is brought to you, while YIELDing is you actively making the change and overcoming the negative forces that are in our way.

total fucking bingo.

RockKing

distantsun wrote:

no doubt that PMPM is the climax of the album. it is the album's core. ATY is not really an afterthought though; it's a conclusion with a last call to action. or maybe, inaction. depending on the situation.

I agree with this. And that vacuum between action and inaction is what allows some people to see the perception that YIELD can be negative. Like any good conclusion, ATY is both thorough enough to include a rehash of escape and ambiguous enough to allow that eventually there could be more to the story.

PissBottleMan

"I''ve had enough, said enough, felt enough, I'm fine, still in it"

Acceptance?

Complacent?

PBM

RockKing

PissBottleMan wrote:

"I''ve had enough, said enough, felt enough, I'm fine, still in it"

Acceptance?

Complacent?

PBM

Honestly, I wholeheartedly view it as being postive and accepting. I can see how you might view it as complacent, but to me, that would totally contradict the verses of the song.

I had a false belief
I thought I came here to stay
We're all just visiting
All just breaking like waves
The oceans made me, but who came up with love?
Push me, pull me... push me, or pull me out
Push me, pull me, or pull me out
Push me, pull me

So if there were no angels, would there be no sin?
You better stop me before I begin
But let me say...if I behave...can you arrange
a spacious hole in the ground
Somewhere nice, make it nice
Where the land meets high tide
Push me, pull me, or pull me out
Push me, pull me
Push me, pull me, or pull me out

Like a cloud dropping rain
I'm discarding all thought
I'll dry up, leaving puddles on the ground
I'm like an opening band for the sun
Push me, pull me
Push me, pull me...pull me out

I just can't view those lyrics as being complacent. Maybe it's different for me and maybe it's just because of my experiences in life, but this song speaks to me in such a profound manner, and I view it as the complete and total embodiment of everything that YIELD means to me.

PissBottleMan

I can see it as (to borrow from Slobberbone): "Everything You Thought Was Right Was Wrong Today"

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distantsun

PissBottleMan wrote:

"I''ve had enough, said enough, felt enough, I'm fine, still in it"

Acceptance?

Complacent?

PBM

this line really resonates with me. especially lately. I think it's about accepting your place in the world and what you have control over. and conversely, and more importantly, what you *don't* have control over.

RockKing

distantsun wrote:

and more importantly, what you *don't* have control over.

I love that you've been focusing on this aspect of it, because I think that's the angle of ATY in particular that we've never REALLY looked at. It clearly goes hand in hand with the rest of the themes we've discussed.

PissBottleMan

distantsun wrote:

this line really resonates with me. especially lately. I think it's about accepting your place in the world and what you have control over. and conversely, and more importantly, what you *don't* have control over.

Yes.

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distantsun

RockKing wrote:

I love that you've been focusing on this aspect of it, because I think that's the angle of ATY in particular that we've never REALLY looked at. It clearly goes hand in hand with the rest of the themes we've discussed.

really? i think acknowledging and accepting the lack of influence/control we really have on the grand scheme of things is totally central to yield. it's so hard to really internalize but once you do…i imagine it's liberation at it's best. total escape. in a good way.

PissBottleMan

distantsun wrote:

i think acknowledging and accepting the lack of influence/control we really have on the grand scheme of things is totally central to yield.

So, you're proactively being passive?

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distantsun

PissBottleMan wrote:

So, you're proactively being passive?

PBM

actually, exactly.

it goes against the human condition.

really hard to do.

likepilateihaveadog

PissBottleMan wrote:

I can see it as (to borrow from Slobberbone): "Everything You Thought Was Right Was Wrong Today"

PBM

Another great lyric from Brent Best, this time from the Drams...

There's good times to be had if you let them/See the beauty being where you are/Appreciate the fireflies, maybe just in case you never see the stars.

Similar sentiments about letting go and whathaveyou here.

PissBottleMan

distantsun wrote:

actually, exactly.

it goes against the human condition.

really hard to do.

So, there's a call to action...but since we're basically unable to do anything, we abstain.

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PissBottleMan

likepilateihaveadog wrote:

There's good times to be had if you let them/See the beauty being where you are/Appreciate the fireflies, maybe just in case you never see the stars.

That is a great lyric...enjoy what you take for granted.

I experienced this just the other day...

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likepilateihaveadog

I also have this idea about ATY I need to flesh out a bit...but here goes.

If PMPM is the end-all to the record thematically and I would agree here, especially with the sound, it's a stopping point, it's an end.

ATY, however comes in like a lullaby, like the song over the credits of a movie -an afterthought.
Now, it is the perfect way to end a record, just with the sound of it and how it builds to that awesome second riff and the nasty jam, but it just seems to me that it's an anomaly in the linear line of thinking.

It might not necessarily wrap up PMPM at all.


Hummus kind of throws a wrench in this, because if ATY is the credits theme, what the hell is Hummus?


Discuss.

RockKing

distantsun wrote:

really? i think acknowledging and accepting the lack of influence/control we really have on the grand scheme of things is totally central to yield. it's so hard to really internalize but once you do…i imagine it's liberation at it's best. total escape. in a good way.

No, that's what I'm saying. It's definitely there, but we have never discussed this issue with the terminology that you're using. It almost certainly is central to YIELD, but that doesn't mean it's something we've discussed before, because I don't think we have.

BlkFlg1

likepilateihaveadog wrote:

I also have this idea about ATY I need to flesh out a bit...but here goes.

If PMPM is the end-all to the record thematically and I would agree here, especially with the sound, it's a stopping point, it's an end.

ATY, however comes in like a lullaby, like the song over the credits of a movie -an afterthought.
Now, it is the perfect way to end a record, just with the sound of it and how it builds to that awesome second riff and the nasty jam, but it just seems to me that it's an anomaly in the linear line of thinking.

It might not necessarily wrap up PMPM at all.


Hummus kind of throws a wrench in this, because if ATY is the credits theme, what the hell is Hummus?


Discuss.

you know how in the naked Gun movies they have little jokes in the credits, and then Frank Drebin comes back for a last pop? Its kind of like that.

Also, I see hummus as a representation of freedom and like Jack says having a good time kind of song. its also very "earthy" sounding, although I can't describe why.

Id love to have waded in earlier but Ive been busy and so much has passed! So I make my entrance here. I concur that PMPM is the finale- its like, and Im going to get fairly esoteric here so bear with me, when form begins to break up. Lowlight and in hiding is the darkness before dawn so to speak (not in a negative way)and PMPM is the return to the non-dual, the return to unity consciousness and breaking free from the bonds of form. It doesnt sound "clean" because thats not how that sort of thing sounds. Think of it this way from another movie reference- its like when Michael J. Fox's bro and sis start disappearing in Back to the future. That, in essence is what is occurring with the album and ultimately completing the theme of transcendence, introspection and renewal. ATY is death, but not in a negative sense.

If there is a character hidden behind the songs of YIELD, ATY is playing when he is lying prone on a grassy hill after a long external and internal fight.

PissBottleMan

BlkFlg wrote:

ATY is death, but not in a negative sense.

Transcending the mind, body and soul.

I like that.

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