I think we can evolve, but we shouldn't have to abandon our principles, our ethics, our morals. It seems that greed and an egotistical attitude are byproducts of our evolution.
Why is "our way" (that of man) assumed to be the correct way?
PBM
Man, I missed some good discussions. I would just add to this that "our way" tends to be the nature of species. Lions don't give a fuck about anyone other than lions. The fact that we can even consider the survival of other species makes us far superior to most other species.
I always kinda look at it like that line in Spiderman, "With great power comes great responsibility". We've been blessed with consciousness, but it's up to us to decide how we are going to use it. Do we use it to benefit ourselves, our nations, our planet? I would like to think that mankind will someday figure it out and look at things that benefit the planet as a whole. But I'm not sure there's an inherent morality or sense of one way being "right" or "wrong". To me, at the end of the day, we have conscious thought and it's ours to use however we see fit. It will be the "wrong" decision if we end up destroying the planet and therefore eliminate ourselves as a species. I think the order of life kinda dictates that.
Of course, granted, this doesn't even take into consideration the possiblity of spiritual beings. If you take God into consideration, this whole conversation changes.
--"I'm like an opening band for the sun"
--"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
We've been blessed with consciousness, but it's up to us to decide how we are going to use it. Do we use it to benefit ourselves, our nations, our planet?
The self will win. "Me before you" seems to be the way of the land...wouldn't you agree.
I don't want to make a blanket statement, but it seems that's the way things operate.
PBM
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
My only question is whether this is truly bad. Is there such a thing as universal morality?
Again, I want to shy away from generalizations, but I think there can be common ground.
Look at PMPM:
"I had a false belief, I thought we came here to stay"
We can agree that we're not the end all, be all. Actually, we all can't agree on that, can we?
PBM
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
Again, I want to shy away from generalizations, but I think there can be common ground.
Look at PMPM:
"I had a false belief, I thought we came here to stay"
We can agree that we're not the end all, be all. Actually, we all can't agree on that, can we?
PBM
I'm primarily playing devil's advocate here. I agree with you for the most part. Just trying to stimulate some dialogue. I have certain beliefs about what is right and wrong, especially in regards to our duty to ourselves, others, and the planet. But where do these beliefs come from? Is it a learned response? I suppose it is. I think I'm a good person, but is that only because I am comparing myself to the standards of those whose morals I agree with?
As a bad example, if I compared myself to an islamic extremist, I would think of myself as a good person, but the extremist wouldn't see it that way. He would find me to be a quite immoral person. Who's right here and who's wrong?
Which all goes to your initial question of why do we assume that man's way is the right way? I think it's our nature to do so. We can only hold ourselves up to the standards of those things which we know. Because we are self-aware, we are also capable of being selfish in a way that is unique to other species. Hence the "with great power comes great responsibility" thing. We must take some things upon ourselves if we want to create the standards of life that we most desire.
--"I'm like an opening band for the sun"
--"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
I guess it comes down to how you decide to live your life...upon what doctrine or philosophy you subscribe to. Since many people yield to their own ideology, it really is hard to come up with a definitive answer...and even then, it's probably flawed.
PBM
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
I guess it comes down to how you decide to live your life...upon what doctrine or philosophy you subscribe to. Since many people yield to their own ideology, it really is hard to come up with a definitive answer.
PBM
Exactly. But even in choosing on how you to decide to live your life, there's a certain selfishness within even that. We tend not to let others tell us how to live our lives. WE decide it for OURSELVES.
Anyway, this is why I hated the Moral Relativity course I took in college. It's a lot of circular logic and semantic arguments. At the end of the day, we choose to live our lives in a good and decent way as defined by the society we live in, or we choose to live outside of those norms. I think the most universal way to define a "good" person is anyone who shows the capacity to care for the well being of others and to take the survival and success of the species as a whole, if not the entire planetary ecosystem, into account when deciding our courses of action. If everyone could live up to those standards, one could only assume that the standard and quality of life for everyone would improve.
--"I'm like an opening band for the sun"
--"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
Also...do we continue to evolve and advance (thereby damaging cultures, the earth, etc) because we know we're too far along to change anything.
If the end result is death, then what difference does it make, right? That's not a responsible way of looking at things, but it seems to be a concept that "The Takers" subscribe to.
PBM
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
If everyone could live up to those standards, one could only assume that the standard and quality of life for everyone would improve.
Ideally, I'd like to believe that.
But, I think we're too far gone.
Once you go forward, it's almost impossible to turn back.
PBM
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
Also...do we continue to evolve and advance (thereby damaging cultures, the earth, etc) because we know we're too far along to change anything.
If the end result is death, then what difference does it make, right? That's not a responsible way of looking at things, but it seems to be a concept that "The Takers" subscribe to.
PBM
Kind of like the person who, upon being diagnosed with a terminal illness, chooses to live the rest of his life in extreme decadence? That's a very good question. Have we already made this decision, or are we simply like the smokers who continue to abuse their body despite the surgeon general's warnings?
--"I'm like an opening band for the sun"
--"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
Once you go forward, it's almost impossible to turn back.
PBM
It's hard to say. I think we may not be too far gone yet, but I'm more worried about the speed of technology allowing us to fall into this abyss at exponential speeds, thus meaning we'll fly past the point of no return long before we even realize such a point exists.
--"I'm like an opening band for the sun"
--"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
I started losing interest in the band around Yield era. I loved Vitology and NoCode, but Yield was just too stale and safe for my liking. As bands like Tool and Radiohead were releasing really innovative, amazing stuff, PJ started becoming too bland around this time. I havn't listened to this album in a long time.
However, All Those Yesterdays and Low Light are some of my favorate songs from them. And Wishlist is good to get your g-friend in the mood!
I started losing interest in the band around Yield era. I loved Vitology and NoCode, but Yield was just too stale and safe for my liking. As bands like Tool and Radiohead were releasing really innovative, amazing stuff, PJ started becoming too bland around this time. I havn't listened to this album in a long time.
However, All Those Yesterdays and Low Light are some of my favorate songs from them. And Wishlist is good to get your g-friend in the mood!
Interesting take...you may want to dig deeper...based on some of the bands you mentioned, there may be some underlying themes that you might enjoy.
PBM
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
I started losing interest in the band around Yield era. I loved Vitology and NoCode, but Yield was just too stale and safe for my liking. As bands like Tool and Radiohead were releasing really innovative, amazing stuff, PJ started becoming too bland around this time. I havn't listened to this album in a long time.
However, All Those Yesterdays and Low Light are some of my favorate songs from them. And Wishlist is good to get your g-friend in the mood!
I know we touched on it last week, but tomorrow is my official 9 year anniversary of my first show.
Knoxville '98.
Good times.
PBM
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
"Remember when is the lowest form of communication."
Ouch! You could be on to something.
PBM
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
set: Long Road, Corduroy, Brain of J, Given to Fly, Animal, Red Mosquito, Jeremy, Whipping, Wishlist, Lukin, Even Flow, Habit, MFC, Present Tense, Daughter/(My Heart Will Go On)/(Monkey Gone to Heaven), Better Man, Alive
enc 1: Go, RVM, Do the Evolution, Hard to Imagine, Black, Last Kiss
enc 2: Leaving Here
notes: After 'Brain of J,' Ed steps up and says, "I hate to say it, but you guys are kinda quiet," but after the first encore he says, "I knew you guys would liven up." He messes up the second verse in 'Even Flow,' forgets it completely and gets the next one right (with the crowd helping) and looks out and says, "Got that fucker right, didn't I?" The 'Habit' line is along the lines of "speaking as a man who loves everyone regardless of race, creed, color or sexual preference." After 'MFC,' Ed takes a swig of beer and a woman yells, "Hey, Ed! Gimme some of that beer," prompting him to respond: "What? All I heard was 'Hey, Ed. Gimme some of that either beer, pick or your dick' ... and I got lots of beer, lots of picks and only one dick ... and I ain't wasting it on a boring ass place like Knoxville." After the next song, Ed singles her out and gives her his pick. Ed talks about how there isn't much to do in Knoxville on a Saturday night. He says he watched SNL and masturbated. 'My Heart Will Go On' is the Celine Dion (Titanic theme) song ("near, far, wherever you are ...) !!! During 'Alive,' Ed notices a fan a Cubs jersey and mouths "Cubbie fan?" The dude says "yeah" and Ed mouths "Atta boy." During 'RVM,' Stone is dazed-looking during the jam, and Ed steps up and stares at his hands as he plays. Stone startles, noticing Ed and they both die laughing and Ed mouths "Rock on, son." 'Hard to Imagine' is introduces as as song that probably "only 1 or 2 or 10 or 20" people in the audience has heard before. Mike has difficulty with his typically long solo during 'Black,' so he cuts it short, looking frustrated. Ed introduces 'Last Kiss' by saying he used to think 'Black' was the saddest song he had ever heard until he heard 'Last Kiss.' Thompson-Boiling Arena is the home of the Univ. of TN basketball champions and Ed picks up on this, noting that "women kick ass in this building," leading to 'Leaving Here.' All night PJ is in great spirits, with Ed fucking around with the crowd up front ... lots of picks tossed out and spit flying. Mike seemed to have trouble with his sound as he cuts his solos down quite a bit, but still plays in fine form. Ed and Stone kept breaking guitar strings.
PBM
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
set: Long Road, Corduroy, Brain of J, Given to Fly, Animal, Red Mosquito, Jeremy, Whipping, Wishlist, Lukin, Even Flow, Habit, MFC, Present Tense, Daughter/(My Heart Will Go On)/(Monkey Gone to Heaven), Better Man, Alive
enc 1: Go, RVM, Do the Evolution, Hard to Imagine, Black, Last Kiss
enc 2: Leaving Here
notes: ...Thompson-Boiling Arena is the home of the Univ. of TN basketball champions and Ed picks up on this, noting that "women kick ass in this building," leading to 'Leaving Here.'...
PBM
Apropos of Ed, no?
PBM, I listened to my Bham '98 boot on the drive back from the beach last weekend. If there's time in your day, make sure to spin that Knoxvegas show for your ann'y today.
Long live the YIELD tour!
.
Memphis 1994 New Orleans 1995 Fort Lauderdale 1996 Atlanta & Birmingham 1998 New Orleans 2000 Tampa 2003 Kissimmee 2004 New York City (x 2) 2008 East Troy (x 2) 2011 Chicago & New Orleans 2013 Hampton, Raleigh, Boston 2016 Baltimore2020 Louisville 2022 Philadelphia & Baltimore 2024
If there's time in your day, make sure to spin that Knoxvegas show for your ann'y today.
I'm certainly going to try.
Ed was quite down on the city of Knoxville at that show. Back in those days, Ed was like an abusive husband...he would put you down, but you'd love him that much more.
PBM
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
set: Long Road, Corduroy, Brain of J, Given to Fly, Animal, Red Mosquito, Jeremy, Whipping, Wishlist, Lukin, Even Flow, Habit, MFC, Present Tense, Daughter/(My Heart Will Go On)/(Monkey Gone to Heaven), Better Man, Alive
enc 1: Go, RVM, Do the Evolution, Hard to Imagine, Black, Last Kiss
enc 2: Leaving Here
notes: After 'Brain of J,' Ed steps up and says, "I hate to say it, but you guys are kinda quiet," but after the first encore he says, "I knew you guys would liven up." He messes up the second verse in 'Even Flow,' forgets it completely and gets the next one right (with the crowd helping) and looks out and says, "Got that fucker right, didn't I?" The 'Habit' line is along the lines of "speaking as a man who loves everyone regardless of race, creed, color or sexual preference." After 'MFC,' Ed takes a swig of beer and a woman yells, "Hey, Ed! Gimme some of that beer," prompting him to respond: "What? All I heard was 'Hey, Ed. Gimme some of that either beer, pick or your dick' ... and I got lots of beer, lots of picks and only one dick ... and I ain't wasting it on a boring ass place like Knoxville." After the next song, Ed singles her out and gives her his pick. Ed talks about how there isn't much to do in Knoxville on a Saturday night. He says he watched SNL and masturbated. 'My Heart Will Go On' is the Celine Dion (Titanic theme) song ("near, far, wherever you are ...) !!! During 'Alive,' Ed notices a fan a Cubs jersey and mouths "Cubbie fan?" The dude says "yeah" and Ed mouths "Atta boy." During 'RVM,' Stone is dazed-looking during the jam, and Ed steps up and stares at his hands as he plays. Stone startles, noticing Ed and they both die laughing and Ed mouths "Rock on, son." 'Hard to Imagine' is introduces as as song that probably "only 1 or 2 or 10 or 20" people in the audience has heard before. Mike has difficulty with his typically long solo during 'Black,' so he cuts it short, looking frustrated. Ed introduces 'Last Kiss' by saying he used to think 'Black' was the saddest song he had ever heard until he heard 'Last Kiss.' Thompson-Boiling Arena is the home of the Univ. of TN basketball champions and Ed picks up on this, noting that "women kick ass in this building," leading to 'Leaving Here.' All night PJ is in great spirits, with Ed fucking around with the crowd up front ... lots of picks tossed out and spit flying. Mike seemed to have trouble with his sound as he cuts his solos down quite a bit, but still plays in fine form. Ed and Stone kept breaking guitar strings.
PBM
Happy Anniv, dude. I still hate you for hearing HTI.
Happy Anniv, dude. I still hate you for hearing HTI.
Twice, not less.
However, IN HIDING is my white whale.
PBM
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
Sat at my computer today....just jammed Yield thru the Ipod. Saw this thread last night and gave me the idea....what a great piece of work!
Doing the Bull Dance, feelin' the flow...work it.
Indeed a great piece of work...glad you're on board with the project and welcome to the thread.
PBM
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
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Man, I missed some good discussions. I would just add to this that "our way" tends to be the nature of species. Lions don't give a fuck about anyone other than lions. The fact that we can even consider the survival of other species makes us far superior to most other species.
I always kinda look at it like that line in Spiderman, "With great power comes great responsibility". We've been blessed with consciousness, but it's up to us to decide how we are going to use it. Do we use it to benefit ourselves, our nations, our planet? I would like to think that mankind will someday figure it out and look at things that benefit the planet as a whole. But I'm not sure there's an inherent morality or sense of one way being "right" or "wrong". To me, at the end of the day, we have conscious thought and it's ours to use however we see fit. It will be the "wrong" decision if we end up destroying the planet and therefore eliminate ourselves as a species. I think the order of life kinda dictates that.
Of course, granted, this doesn't even take into consideration the possiblity of spiritual beings. If you take God into consideration, this whole conversation changes.
--"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
The self will win. "Me before you" seems to be the way of the land...wouldn't you agree.
I don't want to make a blanket statement, but it seems that's the way things operate.
PBM
Wishlist Foundation: http://wishlistfoundation.org
No, I agree that we are by nature selfish. My only question is whether this is truly bad. Is there such a thing as universal morality?
--"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
Again, I want to shy away from generalizations, but I think there can be common ground.
Look at PMPM:
"I had a false belief, I thought we came here to stay"
We can agree that we're not the end all, be all. Actually, we all can't agree on that, can we?
PBM
Wishlist Foundation: http://wishlistfoundation.org
I'm primarily playing devil's advocate here. I agree with you for the most part. Just trying to stimulate some dialogue. I have certain beliefs about what is right and wrong, especially in regards to our duty to ourselves, others, and the planet. But where do these beliefs come from? Is it a learned response? I suppose it is. I think I'm a good person, but is that only because I am comparing myself to the standards of those whose morals I agree with?
As a bad example, if I compared myself to an islamic extremist, I would think of myself as a good person, but the extremist wouldn't see it that way. He would find me to be a quite immoral person. Who's right here and who's wrong?
Which all goes to your initial question of why do we assume that man's way is the right way? I think it's our nature to do so. We can only hold ourselves up to the standards of those things which we know. Because we are self-aware, we are also capable of being selfish in a way that is unique to other species. Hence the "with great power comes great responsibility" thing. We must take some things upon ourselves if we want to create the standards of life that we most desire.
--"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
PBM
Wishlist Foundation: http://wishlistfoundation.org
Exactly. But even in choosing on how you to decide to live your life, there's a certain selfishness within even that. We tend not to let others tell us how to live our lives. WE decide it for OURSELVES.
Anyway, this is why I hated the Moral Relativity course I took in college. It's a lot of circular logic and semantic arguments. At the end of the day, we choose to live our lives in a good and decent way as defined by the society we live in, or we choose to live outside of those norms. I think the most universal way to define a "good" person is anyone who shows the capacity to care for the well being of others and to take the survival and success of the species as a whole, if not the entire planetary ecosystem, into account when deciding our courses of action. If everyone could live up to those standards, one could only assume that the standard and quality of life for everyone would improve.
--"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
If the end result is death, then what difference does it make, right? That's not a responsible way of looking at things, but it seems to be a concept that "The Takers" subscribe to.
PBM
Wishlist Foundation: http://wishlistfoundation.org
Ideally, I'd like to believe that.
But, I think we're too far gone.
Once you go forward, it's almost impossible to turn back.
PBM
Wishlist Foundation: http://wishlistfoundation.org
Kind of like the person who, upon being diagnosed with a terminal illness, chooses to live the rest of his life in extreme decadence? That's a very good question. Have we already made this decision, or are we simply like the smokers who continue to abuse their body despite the surgeon general's warnings?
--"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
It's hard to say. I think we may not be too far gone yet, but I'm more worried about the speed of technology allowing us to fall into this abyss at exponential speeds, thus meaning we'll fly past the point of no return long before we even realize such a point exists.
--"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
However, All Those Yesterdays and Low Light are some of my favorate songs from them. And Wishlist is good to get your g-friend in the mood!
not a bloody chance!
Interesting take...you may want to dig deeper...based on some of the bands you mentioned, there may be some underlying themes that you might enjoy.
PBM
Wishlist Foundation: http://wishlistfoundation.org
vitalogy isnt a touch on yield!
Knoxville '98.
Good times.
PBM
Wishlist Foundation: http://wishlistfoundation.org
I believe Anthony Soprano once said:
"Remember when is the lowest form of communication."
Ouch! You could be on to something.
PBM
Wishlist Foundation: http://wishlistfoundation.org
It's a good reminder to keep looking to the future. Remembering the overlying message of infinite possibilities that YIELD gives us is important.
09/06/98 - Thompson-Boling Arena: Knoxville, TN [114m]
attendance: 24,535
support act: Mudhoney
soundcheck: Leaving Here, Whipping, Present Tense
set: Long Road, Corduroy, Brain of J, Given to Fly, Animal, Red Mosquito, Jeremy, Whipping, Wishlist, Lukin, Even Flow, Habit, MFC, Present Tense, Daughter/(My Heart Will Go On)/(Monkey Gone to Heaven), Better Man, Alive
enc 1: Go, RVM, Do the Evolution, Hard to Imagine, Black, Last Kiss
enc 2: Leaving Here
notes: After 'Brain of J,' Ed steps up and says, "I hate to say it, but you guys are kinda quiet," but after the first encore he says, "I knew you guys would liven up." He messes up the second verse in 'Even Flow,' forgets it completely and gets the next one right (with the crowd helping) and looks out and says, "Got that fucker right, didn't I?" The 'Habit' line is along the lines of "speaking as a man who loves everyone regardless of race, creed, color or sexual preference." After 'MFC,' Ed takes a swig of beer and a woman yells, "Hey, Ed! Gimme some of that beer," prompting him to respond: "What? All I heard was 'Hey, Ed. Gimme some of that either beer, pick or your dick' ... and I got lots of beer, lots of picks and only one dick ... and I ain't wasting it on a boring ass place like Knoxville." After the next song, Ed singles her out and gives her his pick. Ed talks about how there isn't much to do in Knoxville on a Saturday night. He says he watched SNL and masturbated. 'My Heart Will Go On' is the Celine Dion (Titanic theme) song ("near, far, wherever you are ...) !!! During 'Alive,' Ed notices a fan a Cubs jersey and mouths "Cubbie fan?" The dude says "yeah" and Ed mouths "Atta boy." During 'RVM,' Stone is dazed-looking during the jam, and Ed steps up and stares at his hands as he plays. Stone startles, noticing Ed and they both die laughing and Ed mouths "Rock on, son." 'Hard to Imagine' is introduces as as song that probably "only 1 or 2 or 10 or 20" people in the audience has heard before. Mike has difficulty with his typically long solo during 'Black,' so he cuts it short, looking frustrated. Ed introduces 'Last Kiss' by saying he used to think 'Black' was the saddest song he had ever heard until he heard 'Last Kiss.' Thompson-Boiling Arena is the home of the Univ. of TN basketball champions and Ed picks up on this, noting that "women kick ass in this building," leading to 'Leaving Here.' All night PJ is in great spirits, with Ed fucking around with the crowd up front ... lots of picks tossed out and spit flying. Mike seemed to have trouble with his sound as he cuts his solos down quite a bit, but still plays in fine form. Ed and Stone kept breaking guitar strings.
PBM
Wishlist Foundation: http://wishlistfoundation.org
Apropos of Ed, no?
PBM, I listened to my Bham '98 boot on the drive back from the beach last weekend. If there's time in your day, make sure to spin that Knoxvegas show for your ann'y today.
Long live the YIELD tour!
.
New Orleans 1995
Fort Lauderdale 1996
Atlanta & Birmingham 1998
New Orleans 2000
Tampa 2003
Kissimmee 2004
New York City (x 2) 2008
East Troy (x 2) 2011
Chicago & New Orleans 2013
Hampton, Raleigh, Boston 2016
Baltimore 2020
Louisville 2022
Philadelphia & Baltimore 2024
I'm certainly going to try.
Ed was quite down on the city of Knoxville at that show. Back in those days, Ed was like an abusive husband...he would put you down, but you'd love him that much more.
PBM
Wishlist Foundation: http://wishlistfoundation.org
Sep. 22nd will be the 11th anniversary of my first. 11 fucking years. Jesus.
--"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
Happy Anniv, dude. I still hate you for hearing HTI.
Twice, not less.
However, IN HIDING is my white whale.
PBM
Wishlist Foundation: http://wishlistfoundation.org
Welcome! It's a pretty good one, yeah?
I'm right here dude.
Doing the Bull Dance, feelin' the flow...work it.
Indeed a great piece of work...glad you're on board with the project and welcome to the thread.
PBM
Wishlist Foundation: http://wishlistfoundation.org