Michael Brown Shooting

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  • Why does anyone have the opinion that only black people are born into poverty? How in the world can you assume that I wasn't born into poverty? Because I am not in jail? Or because I respect police officers? Because I'm white?
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617

    Why does anyone have the opinion that only black people are born into poverty? How in the world can you assume that I wasn't born into poverty? Because I am not in jail? Or because I respect police officers? Because I'm white?

    http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/14poverty.cfm

    Poverty line for a family of 4 $23,850
  • Plus, this is the Michael Brown thread. It's pointless to keep linking all of the other police injustices. Its difficult enough to keep up with this case without bringing up the others. Start new threads. My opinion will flow just fine there.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    Why does anyone have the opinion that only black people are born into poverty? How in the world can you assume that I wasn't born into poverty? Because I am not in jail? Or because I respect police officers? Because I'm white?

    Where I am from the people born into poverty ARE white, and they don't experience half the bullshit that middle class African Americans face. They do lots of drugs, they disrespect authority, they are on the dole, they have tons of kids out of marriage, they drink and drive, and their culture is distasteful... but they don't face police discrimination, they aren't constantly judged by their color, and they don't face nearly as much prejudice about their idiotic behaviors. Hillbilly and redneck are almost neutral words that evoke a chuckle from most, as if their low-class culture is acceptable but the hip-hop low-class culture isn't.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    edited December 2014
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  • rgambs said:

    Why does anyone have the opinion that only black people are born into poverty? How in the world can you assume that I wasn't born into poverty? Because I am not in jail? Or because I respect police officers? Because I'm white?

    Where I am from the people born into poverty ARE white, and they don't experience half the bullshit that middle class African Americans face. They do lots of drugs, they disrespect authority, they are on the dole, they have tons of kids out of marriage, they drink and drive, and their culture is distasteful... but they don't face police discrimination, they aren't constantly judged by their color, and they don't face nearly as much prejudice about their idiotic behaviors. Hillbilly and redneck are almost neutral words that evoke a chuckle from most, as if their low-class culture is acceptable but the hip-hop low-class culture isn't.
    Ok. I don't really disagree with you. But you can't discredit a somebodys opinion because they are white.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    rgambs said:

    Why does anyone have the opinion that only black people are born into poverty? How in the world can you assume that I wasn't born into poverty? Because I am not in jail? Or because I respect police officers? Because I'm white?

    Where I am from the people born into poverty ARE white, and they don't experience half the bullshit that middle class African Americans face. They do lots of drugs, they disrespect authority, they are on the dole, they have tons of kids out of marriage, they drink and drive, and their culture is distasteful... but they don't face police discrimination, they aren't constantly judged by their color, and they don't face nearly as much prejudice about their idiotic behaviors. Hillbilly and redneck are almost neutral words that evoke a chuckle from most, as if their low-class culture is acceptable but the hip-hop low-class culture isn't.
    Imagine if young black police officers were exclusively out on beat for these poor whites.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    rgambs said:

    Why does anyone have the opinion that only black people are born into poverty? How in the world can you assume that I wasn't born into poverty? Because I am not in jail? Or because I respect police officers? Because I'm white?

    Where I am from the people born into poverty ARE white, and they don't experience half the bullshit that middle class African Americans face. They do lots of drugs, they disrespect authority, they are on the dole, they have tons of kids out of marriage, they drink and drive, and their culture is distasteful... but they don't face police discrimination, they aren't constantly judged by their color, and they don't face nearly as much prejudice about their idiotic behaviors. Hillbilly and redneck are almost neutral words that evoke a chuckle from most, as if their low-class culture is acceptable but the hip-hop low-class culture isn't.
    Ok. I don't really disagree with you. But you can't discredit a somebodys opinion because they are white.
    I agree it was a little too much, but I feel where it was coming from. The most common reaction I have heard in real life to MB shooting is on the tone of "blacks are the most racist of all" and "nobody cares when a black kills a white" and it makes you slap your head and say...geez these people have no effin clue how good they have it!
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    mickeyrat said:

    hedonist said:

    imalive said:

    When a cop tells you to do something, comply. Chances are, you won't get shot.

    I know that within every scenario there are different variables, people, mindsets.

    But yes...this makes much sense. Common sense.

    Last year I got pulled over for expired tags. I was surprised when the officer told me to keep my hands in plain sight (didn't feel I was a threat), but fuck me if I didn't comply. Why wouldn't I?

    Very polite and professional fellow, by the way.

    for me, average white guy, I decided long ago that I woudl rather the stops ended as quickly as possible. When I have been pulled over the flashers go on, I turn the interior light on , roll window down and hands on the wheel until directed otherwise. When asked fro license and reg , I say my wallet is in front pocket reg in glovebox, etc. Have been met with professionalism and no attitude.
    hahah I had this cop behind me for about 6 to 8 blocks I'd turn then he'd turn so when I got to the taco shop I was heading to he was right behind me so I parked and got off my bike and walked to his car as he was getting out of it and I said "hi what's up" and he started laughing and said" i knew you would think I was following you but honestly I'm just going for lunch to the taco shop" as it turns out he was very cool and asked me about H.D's because he was shopping for his first one.

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  • rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    Why does anyone have the opinion that only black people are born into poverty? How in the world can you assume that I wasn't born into poverty? Because I am not in jail? Or because I respect police officers? Because I'm white?

    Where I am from the people born into poverty ARE white, and they don't experience half the bullshit that middle class African Americans face. They do lots of drugs, they disrespect authority, they are on the dole, they have tons of kids out of marriage, they drink and drive, and their culture is distasteful... but they don't face police discrimination, they aren't constantly judged by their color, and they don't face nearly as much prejudice about their idiotic behaviors. Hillbilly and redneck are almost neutral words that evoke a chuckle from most, as if their low-class culture is acceptable but the hip-hop low-class culture isn't.
    Ok. I don't really disagree with you. But you can't discredit a somebodys opinion because they are white.
    I agree it was a little too much, but I feel where it was coming from. The most common reaction I have heard in real life to MB shooting is on the tone of "blacks are the most racist of all" and "nobody cares when a black kills a white" and it makes you slap your head and say...geez these people have no effin clue how good they have it!
    I'm going to come clean. I was born poor. Far from poverty. Plus, I went through all 13 years of school knowing 3 black people. I knew and grew up with a shit ton of racist people that from what I saw, never even talked to a black person. 99.9% of those I don't talk to today.

    That drastically changed when I got into college. I understand that I will never fully understand the plight of the inner city black kid. But that doesn't mean I don't appreciate what (at least my friends) have dealt with being black.
  • Empty GlassEmpty Glass Posts: 12,329
    callen said:

    rgambs said:

    Why does anyone have the opinion that only black people are born into poverty? How in the world can you assume that I wasn't born into poverty? Because I am not in jail? Or because I respect police officers? Because I'm white?

    Where I am from the people born into poverty ARE white, and they don't experience half the bullshit that middle class African Americans face. They do lots of drugs, they disrespect authority, they are on the dole, they have tons of kids out of marriage, they drink and drive, and their culture is distasteful... but they don't face police discrimination, they aren't constantly judged by their color, and they don't face nearly as much prejudice about their idiotic behaviors. Hillbilly and redneck are almost neutral words that evoke a chuckle from most, as if their low-class culture is acceptable but the hip-hop low-class culture isn't.
    Imagine if young black police officers were exclusively out on beat for these poor whites.
    I'm sure it's not exclusive to all white cops. I'm willing to bet a large majority don't say to themselves "let's go get us a black man" before their shift.
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  • over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

    stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    edited December 2014
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,895
    edited December 2014

    over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

    stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

    They should stay in class and learn a skill and not a civics lesson on protesting.

    Skipping school for a grand jury finding on evidence that is at best ambiguous in either direction is ridiculous. The teachers involved should be stripped of their wages.

    Meanwhile , students in China are kicking our asses.
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  • over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

    stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

    They should stay in class and learn a skill and not a civics lesson on protesting.

    Skipping school for a grand jury finding on evidence that is at best ambiguous in either direction is ridiculous. The teachers involved should be stripped of their wages.

    Meanwhile , students in China are kicking our asses.
    Couldn't have said it any better.

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  • over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

    stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

    They shouldn't cry if the schools get tired of it and start firing teachers and suspending students.
  • over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

    stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

    They should stay in class and learn a skill and not a civics lesson on protesting.

    Skipping school for a grand jury finding on evidence that is at best ambiguous in either direction is ridiculous. The teachers involved should be stripped of their wages.

    Meanwhile , students in China are kicking our asses.
    There's no better lesson than actual real life experience with injustice. Taking a stand and knowing what you believe in is more valuable than any school experience. And all the good teachers know that, that's why they're out there as well.
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617

    over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

    stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

    They should stay in class and learn a skill and not a civics lesson on protesting.

    Skipping school for a grand jury finding on evidence that is at best ambiguous in either direction is ridiculous. The teachers involved should be stripped of their wages.

    Meanwhile , students in China are kicking our asses.
    There's no better lesson than actual real life experience with injustice. Taking a stand and knowing what you believe in is more valuable than any school experience. And all the good teachers know that, that's why they're out there as well.
    I like the comparison to a communist country
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    edited December 2014
    Charles Barkley thinks some people are ridiculous with their views on this topic:

    Here are some bites from the link (see how I offer a summary versus no description at all?):

    "The notion that white cops are out there just killing black people -- that's ridiculous. That's just flat-out ridiculous," the TNT basketball analyst told CNN. "I challenge any black person to try to make that point. Cops are actually awesome. They are the only thing in the ghetto between this place being the wild, wild west. So this notion that cops are out there just killing black men is ridiculous and I hate that narrative coming out of this entire situation."

    "We've always had a racial issue in this country and the biggest problem with it is we never discuss race until something bad happens. We never have meaningful dialogue over a cold beer when things are going good," Barkley explained to CNN. "When something bad happens, everybody has a tribe mentality. Everybody wants to protect their own tribe, whether they're right or wrong."

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24862869/charles-barkley-speaks-out-on-ferguson-controversy-defends-police
    Post edited by Thirty Bills Unpaid on
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  • By the way... this place is becoming shitty to enter.

    From my perspective, the MT forum is a sloppy mess at this point in time- bits and bites that do nothing with regards to promoting meaningful discussion.
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  • And for the record, our city had an officer shot in the line of duty two nights ago. He's in critical condition after a traffic stop late at night resulted in the occupants of the vehicle gunning him down.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617

    Charles Barkley thinks some people are ridiculous with their views on this topic:

    Here are some bites from the link (see how I offer a summary versus no description at all?):

    "The notion that white cops are out there just killing black people -- that's ridiculous. That's just flat-out ridiculous," the TNT basketball analyst told CNN. "I challenge any black person to try to make that point. Cops are actually awesome. They are the only thing in the ghetto between this place being the wild, wild west. So this notion that cops are out there just killing black men is ridiculous and I hate that narrative coming out of this entire situation."

    "We've always had a racial issue in this country and the biggest problem with it is we never discuss race until something bad happens. We never have meaningful dialogue over a cold beer when things are going good," Barkley explained to CNN. "When something bad happens, everybody has a tribe mentality. Everybody wants to protect their own tribe, whether they're right or wrong."

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24862869/charles-barkley-speaks-out-on-ferguson-controversy-defends-police

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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,157
    edited December 2014

    By the way... this place is becoming shitty to enter.

    From my perspective, the MT forum is a sloppy mess at this point in time- bits and bites that do nothing with regards to promoting meaningful discussion.

    It is definitely transitioning. On the plus side I'm pretty sure it has been more than two months since we've had a thread locked.

    Post edited by JimmyV on
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  • Seems ok to me. So far we've represented both sides pretty well without any major flame wars.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    I once read this interesting quote
    People claim they're hungry for the truth but when its finally served up they don't like the taste.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504

    over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

    stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

    I would guess most of those students have no clue what really happened.


    Godfather.

  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,115

    over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

    stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

    I would guess most of those students have no clue what really happened.


    Godfather.

    I would guess that any of our guesses on that topic would be completely without merit.

    And on the topic of Ferguson - how many contradictory stories have floated around: can any of us with any confidence say we know what really happened?
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,331

    Charles Barkley thinks some people are ridiculous with their views on this topic:

    Here are some bites from the link (see how I offer a summary versus no description at all?):

    "The notion that white cops are out there just killing black people -- that's ridiculous. That's just flat-out ridiculous," the TNT basketball analyst told CNN. "I challenge any black person to try to make that point. Cops are actually awesome. They are the only thing in the ghetto between this place being the wild, wild west. So this notion that cops are out there just killing black men is ridiculous and I hate that narrative coming out of this entire situation."

    "We've always had a racial issue in this country and the biggest problem with it is we never discuss race until something bad happens. We never have meaningful dialogue over a cold beer when things are going good," Barkley explained to CNN. "When something bad happens, everybody has a tribe mentality. Everybody wants to protect their own tribe, whether they're right or wrong."

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24862869/charles-barkley-speaks-out-on-ferguson-controversy-defends-police

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/04/opinion/johnson-charles-barkley/index.html?hpt=hp_t3


    "Charles Barkley is a very, very rich man, whose fame and celebrity have protected him from the kind of hostility and harassment from the police that thousands of other Americans, especially African-Americans, experience every day. It's easy for Charles Barkley to lecture protesters and looters and mourning families about how to deal with anger. But most Americans can't defuse a "tense" police situation with the aid of celebrity."
  • benjs said:

    over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

    stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

    I would guess most of those students have no clue what really happened.


    Godfather.

    I would guess that any of our guesses on that topic would be completely without merit.

    And on the topic of Ferguson - how many contradictory stories have floated around: can any of us with any confidence say we know what really happened?
    http://linkis.com/to.pbs.org/HjEvk

    Not for sure.....but consider these facts that are detailed in the graphic at the link

    When asked "Did MB put his hands up when fired upon?" 16 witnesses said YES, 2 said NO

    "Was MB kneeling when fired upon?" 7 said YES, 6 said NO

    "Was MB running away when fired upon?" 15 said YES, 5 said NO

    "Did MB charge the police officerr?" 7 said YES, 5 said NO


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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,895
    JC29856 said:


    over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

    stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

    They should stay in class and learn a skill and not a civics lesson on protesting.

    Skipping school for a grand jury finding on evidence that is at best ambiguous in either direction is ridiculous. The teachers involved should be stripped of their wages.

    Meanwhile , students in China are kicking our asses.
    There's no better lesson than actual real life experience with injustice. Taking a stand and knowing what you believe in is more valuable than any school experience. And all the good teachers know that, that's why they're out there as well.
    I like the comparison to a communist country
    The point is that China is focusing education on science and math, and the USA is not.
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