Michael Brown Shooting

bootlegger10

I don't care who is rioting. Lock them all up (white, black, brown, whatever).

Thirty Bills Unpaid

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

rgambs said:

i am not saying it doesnt apply, that these people arent thugs by definition. I am saying, as others have, that it is a word that is disproportionately used for black people and it's overuse contributes to racial issues.

Thanks gambs, I don't see how people can't see the word being co-opted in a racist way. And when they use it they should be aware of that fact. It's all context.

I have asked you twice now... what term should Speedy have used to adequately describe the 'thugs' which wouldn't hurt anybody's feelings?

To answer your question, how about rioters and looters. Isn't that what they are?

Anyway I am done with this. This isn't about hurt feelings, I'm perfectly content and I was just trying to raise a point. You fail to see this issue from any different point of view and I have a feeling you want to just argue for arguments sake and it's boring. No need to respond.

Exactly. You were trying to raise a point that didn't hold water. I didn't fail to see what you were trying to say... I just refused to accept what you were trying to say.

I know you wished for me not to respond... but what you did was- as you describe- trying to argue for arguments' sake. I guess I could have just let it go, but it's just not my nature to.

Hey... I totally get the racial inequities and it pisses me off too.

JC asked a poignant question that got lost in one of his posts- it might have been intertwined with thoughts on the comparative rates of masturbation between black and white men... or trying to find his retainer.

His question was as follows: Do you think the protests from across the nation city to city are specifically about Michael Brown or about something bigger?

I meant to address it, but never did. I feel that the protests are about something bigger. The Brown case is 'likely' one of the more legitimate cases where a cop murders a black man while on duty that we have been presented with over the years; however, society is growing weary of reading these headlines and distrust has been brewing for a long, long time. We see it on these boards with good, smart people refusing to believe the 'official' story.

I'm not so naive that I think there might not be a chance there are deep and dark forces at play which allowed for the decision we were rendered; however, when I use common sense... as much as Wilson's story is fishy... his use of force given Brown's behaviour was not as excessive as many are making it out to be.

JC29856

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JC29856 said:

Commentary strictly commentary

This tread is specifically about the Michael Brown shooting? Do you think the anger and frustration displayed in Ferguson last night is about Michael Brown? Do you think the protests from across the nation city to city are specifically about Michael Brown or about something bigger? We can argue the opinions all we want with very little introduction of facts about Michael Brown we can argue statistics about black on black crime we can argue about racism about thugs and what the word really means but simply put people shouldn't be getting shot and killed LEGALLY in a Wal-Mart for holding a bb rifle, pre teens shouldn't be getting shot and killed for playing with a bb gun at a playground, people shouldn't be getting shot in the back and killed for running from a off duty police officer, people shouldn't be getting shot and killed LEGALLY because a cop was scared. Argue all you want. If you are on here arguing over Mike Brown then you don't get it, all the evidence and in the world all the statistics in the world and no amount of posts or threads will help. If you are on here arguing that cops should be allowed to LEGALLY kill people with impunity then although you may be on the right side of the law you are on the wrong side of RIGHT and the wrong side of HISTORY.
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There was no reference... to comparative rates of masturbation between black and white men... or trying to find his retainer...in that post (i edited out the beginning) I typed this early this morning after getting back from the PHL protests, I felt inspired by democracy in action plus I had to use the bathroom. (i typed and posted while I was on the toilet, I do some of my best thinking there)

dignin

JC29856 said:

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JC29856 said:

Commentary strictly commentary

This tread is specifically about the Michael Brown shooting? Do you think the anger and frustration displayed in Ferguson last night is about Michael Brown? Do you think the protests from across the nation city to city are specifically about Michael Brown or about something bigger? We can argue the opinions all we want with very little introduction of facts about Michael Brown we can argue statistics about black on black crime we can argue about racism about thugs and what the word really means but simply put people shouldn't be getting shot and killed LEGALLY in a Wal-Mart for holding a bb rifle, pre teens shouldn't be getting shot and killed for playing with a bb gun at a playground, people shouldn't be getting shot in the back and killed for running from a off duty police officer, people shouldn't be getting shot and killed LEGALLY because a cop was scared. Argue all you want. If you are on here arguing over Mike Brown then you don't get it, all the evidence and in the world all the statistics in the world and no amount of posts or threads will help. If you are on here arguing that cops should be allowed to LEGALLY kill people with impunity then although you may be on the right side of the law you are on the wrong side of RIGHT and the wrong side of HISTORY.
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You get it.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Would there have been rioting and looting, in celebration, had there been a murder indictment against the officer?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

JC29856 said:

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JC29856 said:

Commentary strictly commentary

This tread is specifically about the Michael Brown shooting? Do you think the anger and frustration displayed in Ferguson last night is about Michael Brown? Do you think the protests from across the nation city to city are specifically about Michael Brown or about something bigger? We can argue the opinions all we want with very little introduction of facts about Michael Brown we can argue statistics about black on black crime we can argue about racism about thugs and what the word really means but simply put people shouldn't be getting shot and killed LEGALLY in a Wal-Mart for holding a bb rifle, pre teens shouldn't be getting shot and killed for playing with a bb gun at a playground, people shouldn't be getting shot in the back and killed for running from a off duty police officer, people shouldn't be getting shot and killed LEGALLY because a cop was scared. Argue all you want. If you are on here arguing over Mike Brown then you don't get it, all the evidence and in the world all the statistics in the world and no amount of posts or threads will help. If you are on here arguing that cops should be allowed to LEGALLY kill people with impunity then although you may be on the right side of the law you are on the wrong side of RIGHT and the wrong side of HISTORY.
Commentary post

There was no reference... to comparative rates of masturbation between black and white men... or trying to find his retainer...in that post (i edited out the beginning) I typed this early this morning after getting back from the PHL protests, I felt inspired by democracy in action plus I had to use the bathroom. (i typed and posted while I was on the toilet, I do some of my best thinking there)

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It's the shower for me- I'm a freakin' Einstein in there! Like I said... it was 'back there' among all your other posts (I spent some time digging around for it instead of paraphrasing it and possibly ruining the integrity of it when I wrote my last post).

I answered your question though. Do you care to elaborate?

JC29856

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

JC29856 said:

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JC29856 said:

Commentary strictly commentary

This tread is specifically about the Michael Brown shooting? Do you think the anger and frustration displayed in Ferguson last night is about Michael Brown? Do you think the protests from across the nation city to city are specifically about Michael Brown or about something bigger? We can argue the opinions all we want with very little introduction of facts about Michael Brown we can argue statistics about black on black crime we can argue about racism about thugs and what the word really means but simply put people shouldn't be getting shot and killed LEGALLY in a Wal-Mart for holding a bb rifle, pre teens shouldn't be getting shot and killed for playing with a bb gun at a playground, people shouldn't be getting shot in the back and killed for running from a off duty police officer, people shouldn't be getting shot and killed LEGALLY because a cop was scared. Argue all you want. If you are on here arguing over Mike Brown then you don't get it, all the evidence and in the world all the statistics in the world and no amount of posts or threads will help. If you are on here arguing that cops should be allowed to LEGALLY kill people with impunity then although you may be on the right side of the law you are on the wrong side of RIGHT and the wrong side of HISTORY.
Commentary post

There was no reference... to comparative rates of masturbation between black and white men... or trying to find his retainer...in that post (i edited out the beginning) I typed this early this morning after getting back from the PHL protests, I felt inspired by democracy in action plus I had to use the bathroom. (i typed and posted while I was on the toilet, I do some of my best thinking there)

)

It's the shower for me- I'm a freakin' Einstein in there! Like I said... it was 'back there' among all your other posts (I spent some time digging around for it instead of paraphrasing it and possibly ruining the integrity of it when I wrote my last post).

I answered your question though. Do you care to elaborate?

Elaborate on what?

rgambs

JC29856 said:

Riot Act(s)
could it be said that whites are more likely to riot over sports and blacks over civil rights?
blacks = riot
white = civil unrest

2010 - University of Tennessee Lane Kiffin Riot. Students riot on the Knoxville campus following head football coach Lane Kiffin's announcement that he took the head coaching job at the University of Southern California.
2010 - University of Maryland basketball disturbance 2010, College Park, Maryland, March 3 following a game; 28 arrested.
2010 - Springfest Riot, April 10, 200 police disperse crowd of 8000 using tear gas, pepper spray, rubber bullets and bean bag rounds, near the campus of James Madison University; dozens injured; 30-35 arrested., Harrisonburg, Virginia
2010 – Santa Cruz May Day riot, May 1, 250 rampage through downtown Santa Cruz attacking 18 businesses, causing an estimated $100,000 in damages. 1 arrested. Santa Cruz, California
2010 – L.A. Lakers riot, June 17, Fans riot in Downtown Los Angeles after Lakers win championship, 50 arrested. Los Angeles, California
2010 – BART Verdict riot, July 8, Riot breaks out in response to verdict in the killing of Oscar Grant, BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant. About 100 businesses were damaged and 78 people were arrested, Oakland, California
2010 - Eugene Melee, Sept 25, Riot breaks out west of the University of Oregon campus as police use tear gas to break up a rowdy party. 9 arrested. Eugene, Oregon
2010 - Oakland Protest riot, Nov. 5, Police made more than 150 arrests as a crowd broke windows and knocked down fences, protesting sentence of former BART officer in shooting of Oscar Grant on New Years Day 2009 see BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant., Oakland, California
2011 - Pennsylvania State University Joe Paterno Riot. Students riot in protest of the decision of the Board of Trustees to fire head football coach Joe Paterno. State College, Pennsylvania
2011 - Occupy Wall Street (Brooklyn Bridge Protests). Demonstrators blocked the bridge and more than 700 people were arrested. Brooklyn, New York
2011 - Occupy Wall Street Oakland Protests Riots. October. Protesters shattered windows, set fires, and plastered buildings with graffiti. Riot police fired heavy amounts of tear gas on the protesters.
2012 NATO 2012 Chicago Summit May. Conflict between riot police. Dozens of demonstrators clubbed and arrested.
2012 Anaheim police shooting and protests Civil Unrest, July 28. Violence erupted after multiple shootings in the neighborhood by police that included unarmed Manuel Diaz. 24 people were arrested
2012 - Bethel Park, Pennsylvania, October 12, Fans riot after a win at home against Upper St. Clair. Fans broke through a fence at the Bethel Park High School stadium.
2013 - Brooklyn Riots, March 9. Riots erupt for several nights after the controversial shooting of Kimani Gray. Over 46 demonstrators were arrested.
2013 - Seattle May Day Protest Riots, May 1st, 17 Arrested as Seattle May Day Protests Turn Violent.
2014 - Deltopia Party Turns Violent, University of California, Santa Barbara, April 5, Over 80 Arrested and over 8 police officers Injured.[1]
2014 - Ferguson, Missouri, August 10. Protests turned into violent riots and unrest after the death of unarmed teenager Michael Brown, who was shot by a Ferguson police officer. Multiple arrests because of curfew violations and looting.[2]
2014 - Keene, New Hampshire, October 18. Riots occurred at Keene's 24th annual Pumpkin Fest, where beer and liquor bottles were thrown at event-goers and police, property including vehicles were damaged, and fires were set. At least several people were injured during the riots. Dozens of arrests were made, many of whom were Keene State College students.[3]
2014 - San Francisco, California, October 29. After the San Francisco Giants won the 2014 World Series, fires were set, bottles were thrown at police, and city buses and police vehicles were vandalized by fans. Multiple people were injured; two were shot, one was stabbed, and a police officer was seriously hurt from fireworks. 40 people were arrested.[4][5][6][7]
2014 - Ferguson, Missouri, November 24. Rioting, looting, massive fires set in the Ferguson unrest following the grand jury's decision not to indict the police officer involved in the Michael Brown shooting case.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Additional-Arrests-Made-in-Post-US-Open-of-Surfing-Rioting-234517241.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/24/ferguson-ruling-civil-unrest_n_6215654.html

I know this argument needs to be put to bed, but the word thug doesn't get tossed around when these sports riots happen...it just doesn't.

Moving on, there are truly hundreds of cases that would serve as better examples for the black community to rally around in protesting the un fair treatment they receive from law enforcement. I wish the John Crawford case was switched with Michael Brown in terms of media attention and grassroots support. He was within his legal rights, he didn't hurt or threaten anybody, and he was killed by trigger-happy military style police. It would serve as a better example, but just like with Trayvon, the attention goes where it goes and you can't stop it. People need to remember that there are John Crawfords and Tamir Rices happening all the time.

Last-12-Exit

dignin said:

A prominent legal expert eviscerates the Darren Wilson prosecution, in 8 tweets


http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/25/7285265/darren-wilson-grand-jury

A cross examiners dream. Yea, anyone that can keep their cool under pressure could rationally answer those questions. (It's definitely a question weather Wilson could or not). But there were bruises on his head and face. Maybe the guy doesn't bruise easy. Who knows. But to say the lack of bruising doesn't indicate that he wasn't hit hard is not proof of anything.

One thing is for sure: there was bruising on his head and face, which proves he was assaulted.

dignin

rgambs said:

JC29856 said:

Riot Act(s)
could it be said that whites are more likely to riot over sports and blacks over civil rights?
blacks = riot
white = civil unrest

2010 - University of Tennessee Lane Kiffin Riot. Students riot on the Knoxville campus following head football coach Lane Kiffin's announcement that he took the head coaching job at the University of Southern California.
2010 - University of Maryland basketball disturbance 2010, College Park, Maryland, March 3 following a game; 28 arrested.
2010 - Springfest Riot, April 10, 200 police disperse crowd of 8000 using tear gas, pepper spray, rubber bullets and bean bag rounds, near the campus of James Madison University; dozens injured; 30-35 arrested., Harrisonburg, Virginia
2010 – Santa Cruz May Day riot, May 1, 250 rampage through downtown Santa Cruz attacking 18 businesses, causing an estimated $100,000 in damages. 1 arrested. Santa Cruz, California
2010 – L.A. Lakers riot, June 17, Fans riot in Downtown Los Angeles after Lakers win championship, 50 arrested. Los Angeles, California
2010 – BART Verdict riot, July 8, Riot breaks out in response to verdict in the killing of Oscar Grant, BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant. About 100 businesses were damaged and 78 people were arrested, Oakland, California
2010 - Eugene Melee, Sept 25, Riot breaks out west of the University of Oregon campus as police use tear gas to break up a rowdy party. 9 arrested. Eugene, Oregon
2010 - Oakland Protest riot, Nov. 5, Police made more than 150 arrests as a crowd broke windows and knocked down fences, protesting sentence of former BART officer in shooting of Oscar Grant on New Years Day 2009 see BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant., Oakland, California
2011 - Pennsylvania State University Joe Paterno Riot. Students riot in protest of the decision of the Board of Trustees to fire head football coach Joe Paterno. State College, Pennsylvania
2011 - Occupy Wall Street (Brooklyn Bridge Protests). Demonstrators blocked the bridge and more than 700 people were arrested. Brooklyn, New York
2011 - Occupy Wall Street Oakland Protests Riots. October. Protesters shattered windows, set fires, and plastered buildings with graffiti. Riot police fired heavy amounts of tear gas on the protesters.
2012 NATO 2012 Chicago Summit May. Conflict between riot police. Dozens of demonstrators clubbed and arrested.
2012 Anaheim police shooting and protests Civil Unrest, July 28. Violence erupted after multiple shootings in the neighborhood by police that included unarmed Manuel Diaz. 24 people were arrested
2012 - Bethel Park, Pennsylvania, October 12, Fans riot after a win at home against Upper St. Clair. Fans broke through a fence at the Bethel Park High School stadium.
2013 - Brooklyn Riots, March 9. Riots erupt for several nights after the controversial shooting of Kimani Gray. Over 46 demonstrators were arrested.
2013 - Seattle May Day Protest Riots, May 1st, 17 Arrested as Seattle May Day Protests Turn Violent.
2014 - Deltopia Party Turns Violent, University of California, Santa Barbara, April 5, Over 80 Arrested and over 8 police officers Injured.[1]
2014 - Ferguson, Missouri, August 10. Protests turned into violent riots and unrest after the death of unarmed teenager Michael Brown, who was shot by a Ferguson police officer. Multiple arrests because of curfew violations and looting.[2]
2014 - Keene, New Hampshire, October 18. Riots occurred at Keene's 24th annual Pumpkin Fest, where beer and liquor bottles were thrown at event-goers and police, property including vehicles were damaged, and fires were set. At least several people were injured during the riots. Dozens of arrests were made, many of whom were Keene State College students.[3]
2014 - San Francisco, California, October 29. After the San Francisco Giants won the 2014 World Series, fires were set, bottles were thrown at police, and city buses and police vehicles were vandalized by fans. Multiple people were injured; two were shot, one was stabbed, and a police officer was seriously hurt from fireworks. 40 people were arrested.[4][5][6][7]
2014 - Ferguson, Missouri, November 24. Rioting, looting, massive fires set in the Ferguson unrest following the grand jury's decision not to indict the police officer involved in the Michael Brown shooting case.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Additional-Arrests-Made-in-Post-US-Open-of-Surfing-Rioting-234517241.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/24/ferguson-ruling-civil-unrest_n_6215654.html

People need to remember that there are John Crawfords and Tamir Rices happening all the time.

Far too many

josevolution

At the end of the day a young man was murdered and yes he was not an exemplanary citizen probably far from it but still didn't deserve to die the way he did !! & yes all the other protest are totally against cops agression all across the nation ....Rest assured the police in Ferguson won't be enjoying their Turkey dinners tomorrow .....

JimmyV

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

Would there have been rioting and looting, in celebration, had there been a murder indictment against the officer?

I believe so, yes.

Godfather.

josevolution said:

At the end of the day a young man was murdered and yes he was not an exemplanary citizen probably far from it but still didn't deserve to die the way he did !! & yes all the other protest are totally against cops agression all across the nation ....Rest assured the police in Ferguson won't be enjoying their Turkey dinners tomorrow .....

who deserves to die ? in most cases we make choices that can end tragicly, it would have been unfair for the officer to die in the line of duty or the store clerk to die while being robbed.

Godfather.

bootlegger10

josevolution said:

At the end of the day a young man was murdered and yes he was not an exemplanary citizen probably far from it but still didn't deserve to die the way he did !! & yes all the other protest are totally against cops agression all across the nation ....Rest assured the police in Ferguson won't be enjoying their Turkey dinners tomorrow .....

I just completely don't understand this viewpoint. At least you acknowledge that Brown was a criminal but even still it is ignored in your conclusion that he didn't deserve to die that way. Sure, his actions of stealing some food/whatever, walking down the middle of the street and then punching a police officer doesn't warrant a death penalty in court (when the situation is over), but in the heat of the moment when he is punching a police officer and the officer fears for his safety there seems to be some justification for the shooting and responsibility on Brown's part.

I would be all for putting a cop in jail who kills or beats an innocent person who follows the officer's instructions, but using this Ferguson situation as a reason to hate cops is unbelievable. The guy freaking assaulted a cop. The cop took him down. It is like the protesters looting and burning buildings in efforts to protest the police. Um...that is going to create a bigger police presence.

I've been pulled over by the police at least 10 times for speeding. I wasn't weaving in and out of traffic, and wasn't endangering me or anyone else. But, I didn't get an attitude with the cop or punch the cop, I listened to the officer and gave them my driver's license and registration. The cops gave me a ticket and I drove off. The cop lived. I lived. It is SIMPLE not to be killed by a cop. 99.99% of the population seem to manage to do it.

I once even had five squad cars surround my car because I was sitting with friends waiting for a buddy to come out and the neighbor thought we were going to steal a car. The cop even drew a gun. Guess what...we all lived because we listened to the officer and didn't assault them.

josevolution

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

At the end of the day a young man was murdered and yes he was not an exemplanary citizen probably far from it but still didn't deserve to die the way he did !! & yes all the other protest are totally against cops agression all across the nation ....Rest assured the police in Ferguson won't be enjoying their Turkey dinners tomorrow .....

I just completely don't understand this viewpoint. At least you acknowledge that Brown was a criminal but even still it is ignored in your conclusion that he didn't deserve to die that way. Sure, his actions of stealing some food/whatever, walking down the middle of the street and then punching a police officer doesn't warrant a death penalty in court (when the situation is over), but in the heat of the moment when he is punching a police officer and the officer fears for his safety there seems to be some justification for the shooting and responsibility on Brown's part.

I would be all for putting a cop in jail who kills or beats an innocent person who follows the officer's instructions, but using this Ferguson situation as a reason to hate cops is unbelievable. The guy freaking assaulted a cop. The cop took him down. It is like the protesters looting and burning buildings in efforts to protest the police. Um...that is going to create a bigger police presence.

I've been pulled over by the police at least 10 times for speeding. I wasn't weaving in and out of traffic, and wasn't endangering me or anyone else. But, I didn't get an attitude with the cop or punch the cop, I listened to the officer and gave them my driver's license and registration. The cops gave me a ticket and I drove off. The cop lived. I lived. It is SIMPLE not to be killed by a cop. 99.99% of the population seem to manage to do it.

I once even had five squad cars surround my car because I was sitting with friends waiting for a buddy to come out and the neighbor thought we were going to steal a car. The cop even drew a gun. Guess what...we all lived because we listened to the officer and didn't assault them.

Hey what can i tell you i see things differently than you i don't believe this kid deserved to die the way he did i'm just a bit tinsie winsie skeptical of the cops story , you believe it to be completly true ....

mickeyrat

maybe an answer si to , along with a requirement of taser use first , add in rubber bullets to incapacitate first before blood is shed in a tense quickly evolving situation. ALONG WITH BODY CAMERAS!!!!

mikepegg44

josevolution said:

Hey what can i tell you i see things differently than you i don't believe this kid deserved to die the way he did i'm just a bit tinsie winsie skeptical of the cops story , you believe it to be completly true ....

This is a huge problem that will never be overcome in the US I don't think. I am not referring to you specifically Jose, but the distrust of the police in certain communities is both warranted and very detrimental to both groups involved. It is also damaging to a community to trust the law enforcement agencies too much. Skepticism is necessary, unfortunately for many it has turned into full on "never going to trust". I fear that it will never get better and when the media paints this as white v black it doesn't help any overcome that either...

bootlegger10

josevolution said:

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

At the end of the day a young man was murdered and yes he was not an exemplanary citizen probably far from it but still didn't deserve to die the way he did !! & yes all the other protest are totally against cops agression all across the nation ....Rest assured the police in Ferguson won't be enjoying their Turkey dinners tomorrow .....

I just completely don't understand this viewpoint. At least you acknowledge that Brown was a criminal but even still it is ignored in your conclusion that he didn't deserve to die that way. Sure, his actions of stealing some food/whatever, walking down the middle of the street and then punching a police officer doesn't warrant a death penalty in court (when the situation is over), but in the heat of the moment when he is punching a police officer and the officer fears for his safety there seems to be some justification for the shooting and responsibility on Brown's part.

I would be all for putting a cop in jail who kills or beats an innocent person who follows the officer's instructions, but using this Ferguson situation as a reason to hate cops is unbelievable. The guy freaking assaulted a cop. The cop took him down. It is like the protesters looting and burning buildings in efforts to protest the police. Um...that is going to create a bigger police presence.

I've been pulled over by the police at least 10 times for speeding. I wasn't weaving in and out of traffic, and wasn't endangering me or anyone else. But, I didn't get an attitude with the cop or punch the cop, I listened to the officer and gave them my driver's license and registration. The cops gave me a ticket and I drove off. The cop lived. I lived. It is SIMPLE not to be killed by a cop. 99.99% of the population seem to manage to do it.

I once even had five squad cars surround my car because I was sitting with friends waiting for a buddy to come out and the neighbor thought we were going to steal a car. The cop even drew a gun. Guess what...we all lived because we listened to the officer and didn't assault them.

Hey what can i tell you i see things differently than you i don't believe this kid deserved to die the way he did i'm just a bit tinsie winsie skeptical of the cops story , you believe it to be completly true ....

I just don't have sympathy for someone who robs a store and punches a police officer. I am sure both versions of the story have truths and lies, but both seem to include someone punching an officer so by default I will side with the officer's account. You choose to give the benefit of the doubt to the criminal. I would want you on my jury if I ever committed a crime.

lolobugg

body cameras for all active patrol cops
this needs to happen yesterday

josevolution

mikepegg44 said:

josevolution said:

Hey what can i tell you i see things differently than you i don't believe this kid deserved to die the way he did i'm just a bit tinsie winsie skeptical of the cops story , you believe it to be completly true ....

This is a huge problem that will never be overcome in the US I don't think. I am not referring to you specifically Jose, but the distrust of the police in certain communities is both warranted and very detrimental to both groups involved. It is also damaging to a community to trust the law enforcement agencies too much. Skepticism is necessary, unfortunately for many it has turned into full on "never going to trust". I fear that it will never get better and when the media paints this as white v black it doesn't help any overcome that either...

I agree ......