Michael Brown Shooting

JC29856

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/08/15/ferguson-chief-officer-didnt-know-about-robbery/14124259/

norm

Gern Blansten said:

muskydan said:

JC29856 said:

All the man hours equipment and money spent on emergency services and protecting the public!

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5897900

I am pretty new to this forum stuff, but what I have noticed is it seems many people like to back up their thoughts on issues from what they read from blogs and various news outlets. I prefer to form my thoughts on what I see with my own eyes every single day and simple FACT. As the legendary Public Enemy used to say.."DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE"….and definitely don't believe everything you read from all the Rags and Media outlets. Get away from the safety blanket of your computer and take a walk outside and see things for yourself. So here is something a buddy sent me that is based on FACT…sorry I could not find one of those cute drawing things but this should not be too hard to understand.
http://conservativetribune.com/ferguson-conspiracy-blown-wide-open/

wow...did you just seriously lecture this forum on "what they read from blogs and various news outlets" and then post a link to conservative tribune?

) ) kinda a do as i say not as i do thing i guess :-S

muskydan

Gern Blansten said:

muskydan said:

JC29856 said:

All the man hours equipment and money spent on emergency services and protecting the public!

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5897900

I am pretty new to this forum stuff, but what I have noticed is it seems many people like to back up their thoughts on issues from what they read from blogs and various news outlets. I prefer to form my thoughts on what I see with my own eyes every single day and simple FACT. As the legendary Public Enemy used to say.."DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE"….and definitely don't believe everything you read from all the Rags and Media outlets. Get away from the safety blanket of your computer and take a walk outside and see things for yourself. So here is something a buddy sent me that is based on FACT…sorry I could not find one of those cute drawing things but this should not be too hard to understand.
http://conservativetribune.com/ferguson-conspiracy-blown-wide-open/

wow...did you just seriously lecture this forum on "what they read from blogs and various news outlets" and then post a link to conservative tribune?

Just the Facts ….. I am not lecturing anyone, just giving my take on the Facts through real video and FBI stats. I guess I will have to find one of those 3rd grade drawing things next time. Anyhow, got to get back to work or I should say babysitting. Be safe

JC29856

Im going to make a prediction or two...since i don't have the luxury of being omnipresent and cannot see everything with my own eyes, i have to rely on various media outlets and then form my own opinions.
Predictions
Wilson will not be indicted (shocker)
Some on this board will describe the aftermath, what they have seen with their own eyes, some examples could be...bad black men running around with knives and guns shooting cops and first responders, Arabs running around with bombs and backpacks.....

Jason P

April 26th, 1992
There was a riot on streets
Tell me where were you?
You were sittin' home watchin' your TV
While I was participating in some anarchy
First spot we hit it was my liquor store
I finally got all that alcohol I can't afford
With red lights flashin', time to retire
And then we turned that liquor store into a structure fire
Next stop we hit, it was the music shop,
It only took one brick to make the window drop
Finally we got our own P.A.
Where do you think I got this guitar that you're hearing today?

JC29856

Is it this...
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
or this
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge and their chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge and your chosen whites

mikepegg44

gimmesometruth27 said:

the national guard is here. they were at my work today. my work has been listed as potential target for rioting. we are a hospital, so i don't know what these protesters could gain by protesting us...if anything, we are the ones who will help them when the cops beat them.

Narcotics man, most likely the opiates. That and those wonderfully comfortable chair / beds that fathers sleep on when babies are born...Some rioters, at least the ones who are just stirring shit up, just think about what they can take...I mean I could never figure out why a taking a TV and a case of beer stuck it to the man during the LA riots...Plus they keep order if there are a bunch of injuries in that E room.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mikepegg44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

the national guard is here. they were at my work today. my work has been listed as potential target for rioting. we are a hospital, so i don't know what these protesters could gain by protesting us...if anything, we are the ones who will help them when the cops beat them.

Narcotics man, most likely the opiates. That and those wonderfully comfortable chair / beds that fathers sleep on when babies are born...Some rioters, at least the ones who are just stirring shit up, just think about what they can take...I mean I could never figure out why a taking a TV and a case of beer stuck it to the man during the LA riots...Plus they keep order if there are a bunch of injuries in that E room.

Good call.

hedonist

Jason P said:

April 26th, 1992
There was a riot on streets
Tell me where were you?
You were sittin' home watchin' your TV
While I was participating in some anarchy
First spot we hit it was my liquor store
I finally got all that alcohol I can't afford
With red lights flashin', time to retire
And then we turned that liquor store into a structure fire
Next stop we hit, it was the music shop,
It only took one brick to make the window drop
Finally we got our own P.A.
Where do you think I got this guitar that you're hearing today?

Oh man, that brings back memories.

I was driving home under falling ash. What a sad fucking time for my city.

JC29856

omnipresence and seeing with your own eyes...(will the cops and armed forces be video recording?)
http://smokeegyrl.weebly.com/

JC29856

Im sure this isnt by design.....
...$2.6M fines and court fees are the city's second-largest revenue source. Last year, Ferguson issued 3 warrants for every household—25,000 warrants in a city of 21,000 people.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/09/ferguson-might-have-break-its-habit-hitting-poor-people-big-fines

muskydan

JC29856 said:

Im going to make a prediction or two...since i don't have the luxury of being omnipresent and cannot see everything with my own eyes, i have to rely on various media outlets and then form my own opinions.
Predictions
Wilson will not be indicted (shocker)
Some on this board will describe the aftermath, what they have seen with their own eyes, some examples could be...bad black men running around with knives and guns shooting cops and first responders, Arabs running around with bombs and backpacks.....

You might want to just stick with the facts and not fantacy... Stick with the truth...all I want is the truth.

RE4790

muskydan said:

RE4790 said:

God help anyone accused of a crime in the social media era.

Ain't that the truth….

JC29856 said:

muskydan said:

RE4790 said:

God help anyone accused of a crime in the social media era.

Ain't that the truth….

who was accused of a crime?
only thing that comes to mind is maybe Brown for shoplifting? since the convenience store didn't call the police or make a report are we sure he stole anything?
maybe battery on the store clerk, its clear in the video he grabbed the clerk and shoved him?
wilson failing to file an incident report?

JC, you seem very passionate about this topic and willing to post you views in a potentially confrontational environment for free debate and I very much respect that. I don't want you to think I was implying anything about your posts or comments here.

My statement was just that in today's environment, people are tried and convicted outside the courts, in the social media sphere, and that undermines not only confidence in, but respect for due process in our country. There are obviously cases of corruption and abuse in the legal system, but social media turns rumors (from anywhere in the world) into facts and those facts used as evidence to second guess the judicial system without being subject to the same argumentative process that evidence in a trial is. It's a very dangerous turn of events when what is justice is determined by popular opinion and not the law.

dignin

This may not belong here but I think it may have some relevance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7MAO7McNKE

rgambs

muskydan said:

JC29856 said:

Im going to make a prediction or two...since i don't have the luxury of being omnipresent and cannot see everything with my own eyes, i have to rely on various media outlets and then form my own opinions.
Predictions
Wilson will not be indicted (shocker)
Some on this board will describe the aftermath, what they have seen with their own eyes, some examples could be...bad black men running around with knives and guns shooting cops and first responders, Arabs running around with bombs and backpacks.....

You might want to just stick with the facts and not fantacy... Stick with the truth...all I want is the truth.

This statement would have more clout if you hadn't been making predictions yourself. You told us to keep our guns loaded and at the ready. Is that the truth or is it fantasy? Time will tell if it is an accurate prediction, but it isn't fact if that's what you mean by truth.

muskydan

rgambs said:

muskydan said:

JC29856 said:

Im going to make a prediction or two...since i don't have the luxury of being omnipresent and cannot see everything with my own eyes, i have to rely on various media outlets and then form my own opinions.
Predictions
Wilson will not be indicted (shocker)
Some on this board will describe the aftermath, what they have seen with their own eyes, some examples could be...bad black men running around with knives and guns shooting cops and first responders, Arabs running around with bombs and backpacks.....

You might want to just stick with the facts and not fantacy... Stick with the truth...all I want is the truth.

This statement would have more clout if you hadn't been making predictions yourself. You told us to keep our guns loaded and at the ready. Is that the truth or is it fantasy? Time will tell if it is an accurate prediction, but it isn't fact if that's what you mean by truth.

Trust me, I don't live in fantasy land, but I wish I did sometimes. That is a sad truth for me and many in my F-up town . As I said on here before I sure hope there are no significant incidents but with Intel we are getting that the Black bloc and other anarchists showing up, it's very likely some protesters may not be simply protesting. Well shall see...I would suggest if Anybody feels very passionate about this whole incident to go join a protest so you can see for yourself the behavior of some. It maybe shocking or you may feel right at home. Either way, God Bless the USA!!!! And the best live band in the world...

muskydan

dignin said:

This may not belong here but I think it may have some relevance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7MAO7McNKE

Now that is a Leader. Thanks 4 sharing that. More Police Departments need leadership like that. Prayers 4 that young child, so sad and senceless.

rgambs

muskydan said:

rgambs said:

muskydan said:

JC29856 said:

Im going to make a prediction or two...since i don't have the luxury of being omnipresent and cannot see everything with my own eyes, i have to rely on various media outlets and then form my own opinions.
Predictions
Wilson will not be indicted (shocker)
Some on this board will describe the aftermath, what they have seen with their own eyes, some examples could be...bad black men running around with knives and guns shooting cops and first responders, Arabs running around with bombs and backpacks.....

You might want to just stick with the facts and not fantacy... Stick with the truth...all I want is the truth.

This statement would have more clout if you hadn't been making predictions yourself. You told us to keep our guns loaded and at the ready. Is that the truth or is it fantasy? Time will tell if it is an accurate prediction, but it isn't fact if that's what you mean by truth.

Trust me, I don't live in fantasy land, but I wish I did sometimes. That is a sad truth for me and many in my F-up town . As I said on here before I sure hope there are no significant incidents but with Intel we are getting that the Black bloc and other anarchists showing up, it's very likely some protesters may not be simply protesting. Well shall see...I would suggest if Anybody feels very passionate about this whole incident to go join a protest so you can see for yourself the behavior of some. It maybe shocking or you may feel right at home. Either way, God Bless the USA!!!! And the best live band in the world...

What effed up town if I may ask? Out here in Amish country the only protests going down are having to do with fracking and puppy mills, and those protests are few and far between so I will have to wait and see what happens via the internet. I am sure some shady characters will use this as an opportunity to run amok, but I doubt it will be widespread and particularly violent. Time will tell.

muskydan

rgambs said:

muskydan said:

rgambs said:

muskydan said:

JC29856 said:

Im going to make a prediction or two...since i don't have the luxury of being omnipresent and cannot see everything with my own eyes, i have to rely on various media outlets and then form my own opinions.
Predictions
Wilson will not be indicted (shocker)
Some on this board will describe the aftermath, what they have seen with their own eyes, some examples could be...bad black men running around with knives and guns shooting cops and first responders, Arabs running around with bombs and backpacks.....

You might want to just stick with the facts and not fantacy... Stick with the truth...all I want is the truth.

This statement would have more clout if you hadn't been making predictions yourself. You told us to keep our guns loaded and at the ready. Is that the truth or is it fantasy? Time will tell if it is an accurate prediction, but it isn't fact if that's what you mean by truth.

Trust me, I don't live in fantasy land, but I wish I did sometimes. That is a sad truth for me and many in my F-up town . As I said on here before I sure hope there are no significant incidents but with Intel we are getting that the Black bloc and other anarchists showing up, it's very likely some protesters may not be simply protesting. Well shall see...I would suggest if Anybody feels very passionate about this whole incident to go join a protest so you can see for yourself the behavior of some. It maybe shocking or you may feel right at home. Either way, God Bless the USA!!!! And the best live band in the world...

What effed up town if I may ask? Out here in Amish country the only protests going down are having to do with fracking and puppy mills, and those protests are few and far between so I will have to wait and see what happens via the internet. I am sure some shady characters will use this as an opportunity to run amok, but I doubt it will be widespread and particularly violent. Time will tell.

The hometown of one EV...and bad baseball teams and sad Football.

JC29856

RE#
My answer your post is this (my questions aren't at you but questions in general)...I think that is exactly what people want, fairness and equality. I think people want evidence, facts and justice served. Do you think in this particular case, we have gotten it? Do you think facts, evidence and justice has been served and laws followed? The facts and evidence I rely on cannot be called rumor and cannot be spun, twisted by any news source blog or otherwise. Can a reasonable person applying simple logic to what little facts and evidence release make any sense to what the authorities have said and put forth? Are we to believe what the authorities have told us?
its indisputable that Wilson never filed an incident report which he is required to do by LAW? Have you seen the incident report that was released weeks later, after several sunshine law requests? It says nothing. Why wasn't a police report filed when an officer was involved in killing a person? Why not a video statement from Wilson describing exactly what went down to cause him to use lethal force immediately after the incident?
Can the distance between Browns body and Wilson's SUV be disputed twisted or spun? Why would the police report that the distance was 35 feet when its actually around 100 feet?
Ignoring the 6 eyewitnesses accounts, can real time audio and video of 2 construction workers not far from the scene be disputed twisted or spun? Why seconds after Wilson gunned down Brown would 2 construction workers say he stopped turned around and had his hands up while motioning with their hands up?
Its a fact that even before Browns body, which lay dead in the street for 4.5 hours (why did it lay there so long?) was removed, Wilson was consulting with police union reps and an attorney. Why? What did Wilson do wrong to need an attorney so quickly? If by law you are innocent until proven guilty (which didn't apply to Brown) and Wilson followed the laws then why did Wilson run and hide from the law that he is sworn to uphold?
You don't think this stinks to high heavens? What is taking the grand jury so long to decide whether or not to indict? What could they possibly be deliberating over? Is this the longest grand jury decision about a cop in US history? Remember this is an indictment, not a trial, this is the first step in the legal process to see if there was wrongdoing. There's a saying that a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich, is the opposite true?
Why the state of emergency, is it even legal for a governor to declare a state of emergency over a grand jury decision (another first in US history)?
I can go on and on... so I ask where is this due process you mention? where was it for Brown? where is it for Wilson?