Michael Brown Shooting

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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    florida is where intelligence and common sense go to die
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,807
    I missed this summary before...

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/us/ferguson-michael-brown-dueling-narratives/
    Every casing found at the scene came from the officer's gun, Belmar said, and witnesses say that after the officer initially fired, the two young men took off running.
    "I saw the officer proceeding after my friend, Big Mike, with his gun drawn, and he fired a second shot, and that struck my friend, Big Mike," Johnson said. "And at that time, he turned around with his hands up, beginning to tell the officer that he was unarmed and to tell him to stop shooting. But at that time, the officer was firing several more shots into my friend, and he hit the ground and died."
    This matches Crenshaw's and Mitchell's story. Crenshaw told CNN that Brown got about 20 feet away from the police cruiser before the officer shot him again.
    "The cop gets out of his vehicle shooting," Mitchell said. "(Brown's) body jerked as if he was hit from behind, and he turned around, and he put his hands up. ... The cop continued to fire until he just dropped down to the ground, and his face just smacked the concrete."
    A private autopsy conducted for the Brown family showed that Brown had been shot at least six times, including twice in the head.
    Josie, recounting the officer's version of events, told the radio program that after the first shot went off inside the car, Brown and his friend started running, and Wilson pursued as protocol dictates.
    According to Josie, Wilson told the young men to freeze, and the pair turned around.
    The officer's account is that Brown started to taunt him, saying he wouldn't shoot him, and then rushed at the officer at full speed, Josie said. It was then that Wilson started firing, Josie said.
    She said that in the officer's opinion, Brown "was on something."
    According to her, the final shot hit Brown in the forehead, and he fell two or three feet in front of the officer.
    A new witness, Michael Brady, told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Wednesday that Wilson fired at Brown after the teen ran about 20 feet.
    Brady ran out of his apartment to get a closer look.
    Seconds later, he saw Brown doubled over, cradling one arm and beginning to fall forward. He took a step or two towards the officer but did not charge him, Brady said.
    Wilson fired three to four more shots at him, he said
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,807
    so above we have four witnesses whose stories seem to jive...
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    dignin said:

    callen said:

    chadwick said:

    dignin said:

    John Stewart weighs in, and is brilliant as always.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUi2A6tUYQk#t=117

    nicely done. a whole lot of those idiots irritate the hell out of me. oh my god what a fucking group of numb nuts. yet millions of people follow & believe their every word & they respect them too.

    unreal
    Just entertainers juggling for advertising revenue catering to humans that seek validation of being special. It is sad.

    Stewart does the same.

    Strife, murder, weapons all great for the news (entertainment) industry.
    Yeah I mostly agree, but Stewart doesn't pretend to be news.

    True
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Idris said:

    Idris said:

    rr165892 said:

    Idris said:

    rr165892 said:

    pjhawks said:

    Idris said:

    And whatever happened to firing 'warning shots' (or is that just in the movies?) or shooting a person's leg(s).

    well you don't know if the guy has a gun so if you just fire a warning shot or hit his leg you could end up dead if he does have one.

    and i suspect if warning shots were fired the neighbors would complain about firing shots needlessly.
    Or you hit an innocent bystander,ricochet,etc
    You following the story of the cop in downtown Orlando killing a 20 year old with a stray bullet?

    Has that been posted on the boards yet?
    No,ill check it out later on line.Thx
    mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2014/8/20/orlando_officer_shoo.html

    ORLANDO --
    The Orlando police officer who shot and killed a woman during a late-night confrontation with an armed man early Tuesday morning in downtown Orlando fired his agency-issued weapon nine times, according to a report released Wednesday.

    Officer Eduardo Sanguino struck the suspect, later identified as 23-year-old Kody Roach, several times, the report states. Roach survived the shooting.

    Maria Castillo, 22, was struck by a stray bullet fired from Sanguino's gun, Orlando Police Chief John Mina said Tuesday in a press conference. Police originally said Maria's last name was Godinez, but friends say she actually went by the last name Castillo.
    Castillo later died at Orlando Regional Medical Center.

    Witnesses at the time of the shooting said it wasn't likely that Roach fired his weapon. However, further investigation revealed Roach's .40-caliber handgun wasn't loaded and had no ammunition in the magazine or in the chamber, according to the report released Wednesday.

    Police said the gun Roach had was stolen out of Orange County and was fully operational.

    The shooting happened around 12:45 a.m. Tuesday outside Vixen Bar, 118 S. Orange Ave., when officers responded to a man with a gun.

    Witnesses said the suspect, Kody Roach, was a regular at the bar. A man said Roach tried to walk inside the bar with his firearm.

    911 calls began to come into dispatchers of a man with a gun outside the nightclub in downtown Orlando.

    "He's, like, banging on the door with a gun!" said one caller.

    A few minutes later, another caller who identified himself as a Vixen employee said Roach had been giving them trouble earlier.

    "There's a guy we kicked out of our bar because he's too drunk and now he's started waiving his handgun around," the caller said.
    Police said there was then a confrontation between the suspect and officers after they arrived and shots were fired.

    Witnesses said they heard as many as a half-dozen shots fired at the scene.

    The officers involved are on paid administrative leave, which is standard procedure in an officer-involved shooting.
    The Florida Department of Law Enforcement is investigating the shooting.

    Did police follow protocol?
    While officers face life or death situations many times in their careers, they also undergo specialized training to learn to cope with the pressure.

    James Copenhaver, a private investigator and former Orange County sheriff’s investigator, said the revelation that nine shots were fired at a suspect in front of a crowded nightclub raises red flags about proper procedure.

    Copenhaver said he understands the intensity of the situation.

    “These cops are on heightened alert," he said. "They know that they are going on a call, that this guy has a gun because someone has seen it.”

    But he said that’s when their constant training should kick in.

    “It’s drilled in your head and you know before you take that fatal shot or any shot that you want some type of backdrop to protect potential citizens that are behind the suspect,” Copenhaver said.
    Copenhaver said a thorough review of the incident will determine if the shooting was justified.

    This is just the latest incident where the actions of Orlando police officers were questioned. Copenhaver he agrees with the recent indictment of the Orlando police officer charged with firing the AR-15 in a local parking garage. He again points to questions in the officer’s training and said maybe it’s time for a review
    (Update)

    Man charged with murder after cops shoot bystander

    ORLANDO, Fla. – A Florida man was charged with murder on Tuesday in connection with a woman's death at an Orlando bar last week - even though a police officer fired the bullet that killed her, law enforcement officials said.

    Police said the actions of Kody Roach, 23, resulted in the bystander's death on Aug. 19 from the stray shot and warranted a first-degree felony murder charge.

    Under Florida law, a person can be charged with murder if a death occurs while a crime is being committed.

    An officer fired at Roach nine times after unsuccessful attempts to subdue him, Orlando Police Chief John Mina said last week.

    One of the bullets missed Roach and instead struck and killed Godinez, who was inside the bar with her friends.

    Roach was hit five times, and another police officer on the scene was struck by a bullet that investigators believe ricocheted, according to an arrest affidavit.

    The arrest report indicates the gun that was recovered from Roach -- a 40-caliber Ruger semi-automatic handgun -- had been reported stolen by a friend of his the day before the shooting.

    That friend told Orange County sheriff's deputies he had been drinking with Roach that night and went to bed. When he awoke the next morning, his gun, ammunition and $30 was missing.

    clickorlando.com/news/murder-charge-filed-in-club-shooting/27741346

    torontosun.com/2014/08/26/man-charged-with-murder-after-cops-shoot-bystander
    And cops are trained. Why I fear getting shot by vigilante more than I do if robbers just left to rob. Amateur with gun defending me. Shudder. Concealed carry not in my interest.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    I would just take the officers account at face......oh wait there is no officer incident report
  • http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-dept-to-probe-ferguson-police-force/2014/09/03/737dd928-33bc-11e4-a723-fa3895a25d02_story.html

    Interesting...
    The Washington Post reported Saturday that five current and one former member of the Ferguson police force face pending federal lawsuits claiming they used excessive force. The lawsuits, as well as more than a half-dozen internal investigations, include claims that individual officers separately hog-tied a 12-year-old boy who was checking his family mailbox, pistol-whipped children and used a stun gun on a mentally ill man who died as a result.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-dept-to-probe-ferguson-police-force/2014/09/03/737dd928-33bc-11e4-a723-fa3895a25d02_story.html

    Interesting...

    The Washington Post reported Saturday that five current and one former member of the Ferguson police force face pending federal lawsuits claiming they used excessive force. The lawsuits, as well as more than a half-dozen internal investigations, include claims that individual officers separately hog-tied a 12-year-old boy who was checking his family mailbox, pistol-whipped children and used a stun gun on a mentally ill man who died as a result.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,807
    edited September 2014
    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/workers-who-were-witnesses-provide-new-perspective-on-michael-brown/article_14a3e5f8-6c6a-5deb-92fe-87fcee622c29.html

    One witness:
    The worker, who has not previously spoken with reporters, said he did not see what happened at the officer’s car — where Wilson and Brown engaged in an initial struggle and a shot was fired from Wilson’s gun.

    His account largely matches those who reported that Wilson chased Brown on foot away from the car after the initial gunshot and fired at least one more shot in the direction of Brown as he was fleeing; that Brown stopped, turned around and put his hands up; and that the officer killed Brown in a barrage of gunfire.
    Another witness:
    About a half-hour later, the worker heard a gunshot. Then he saw Brown running away from a police car. Wilson trailed about 10 to 15 feet behind, gun in hand. About 90 feet away from the car, the worker said, Wilson fired another shot at Brown, whose back was turned.

    The worker said Brown stumbled and then stopped, put his hands up, turned around and said, “OK, OK, OK, OK, OK.” He said he told investigators from the St. Louis County police and the FBI that because of the stumble, it seemed to him that Brown had been wounded.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,331
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/us/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-witnesses/index.html?hpt=hp_c2


    New Michael Brown shooting witnesses describe scene

    (CNN) -- Two men, shocked at what they saw, describe an unarmed teenager with his hands up in the air as he's gunned down by a police officer.

    They were contractors doing construction work in Ferguson, Missouri, on the day Michael Brown was killed.

    And the men, who asked not to be identified after CNN contacted them, said they were about 50 feet away from Officer Darren Wilson when he opened fire.

    An exclusive cell phone video captures their reactions during the moments just after the shooting.
    "He had his f**n hands up," one of the men says in the video.

    The man told CNN he heard one gunshot, then another shot about 30 seconds later.
    "The cop didn't say get on the ground. He just kept shooting," the man said.

    That same witness described the gruesome scene, saying he saw Brown's "brains come out of his head," again stating, "his hands were up."

    The video shows the man raising his arms in the air -- just as, he says, Brown was doing when he was shot.

    The other contractor told CNN he saw Brown running away from a police car.
    Brown "put his hands up," the construction worker said, and "the officer was chasing him."

    The contractor says he saw Wilson fire a shot at Brown while his back was turned.
    The men said they didn't seen how the confrontation started.

    Other witnesses also said teen's arms were raised

    The video, recorded several minutes after the shooting, gives new insight into the case, which has spurred a Justice Department investigation, national debate and protests over authorities' handling of the case.

    The construction workers said they don't live in Ferguson and don't know the Brown family, but their account squares with accounts from several other witnesses of the unarmed African-American teen's shooting death on August 9.

    Analysts debate video's impact

    CNN Senior Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin says the video could play an important role in the case.
    "You have practically in real time someone discussing what they saw, and that's just good evidence," he said on CNN's "AC360."

    Sunny Hostin, a CNN legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, says it's important to note that several witnesses are telling the same story.

    "They're saying that he was running from the police officer and that his hands were up," she said. "I don't know what other witness testimony at this point or account we have to hear. The bottom line is having your hands up is the universal sign for surrender."

    Neil Bruntrager, general counsel for the St. Louis Police Officers Association, cautioned against rushing to judgment. Witness accounts are important, he said, but need to be evaluated with all the evidence.

    "I'm not saying disregard them. I'm saying that we will judge their credibility by all of the evidence, not by one statement, and certainly not by a 15-second video clip," he said.
  • http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2014/09/10/ac360-exclusive-video-recorded-moments-after-the-michael-brown-shooting/?hpt=ac_mid

    Video from shortly after the shooting....witness says "He had his fucking hands up!"
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  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,189
    badbrains said:

    Look at the media playing their little game, watch the entire video:

    badbrains said:

    Look at the media playing their little game, watch the entire video:

    dignin said:

    John Stewart weighs in, and is brilliant as always.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUi2A6tUYQk#t=117

    Lol....CLASSIC!.......and so true.

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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    norm said:

    florida is where intelligence and common sense go to die

    are you sure that's not California ? :))


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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,922
    $4.75M government grant awarded to new US study on police arrest data and racial bias.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29262358
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/grand-jury-probes-police-shooting-black-man-ohio-walmart-n208821

    At least they are thinking of indictment! Ohio is an open-carry state, so I don't see how they can get away without an indictment...funny how they release video evidence against Michael Brown, but evidence against the cops stays under wraps.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    I played cowboys and Indians with cap gun with holsters when I was a kid So kinda get it but would you buy your child a gun ghat looked like assault rifle to play with?

    This story is nuts.

    If it's determined that. 911caller lied he should face charges.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    callin, " but would you buy your child a gun that looked like assault rifle to play with?" when I was kid having a toy like that was bragging rights all over the neighborhood and the police or other parents never batted an eye...I wonder what happened to the world we live in today ? toy guns are banned by parents,jobs are moved to other countries and using words like piss shit damn and hell are used on " T.V" like nobody is listening and regular daytime/night time viewing you can see more shin than the girls showers on revenge of the nerds and the language...forget about it...Ed Sullivan is rolling in his grave and Lawernce Welk would shit if he was still alive, but anyway all this and a kid can't have a toy gun ? just seems a little back-asswords to me..what happened ?


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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,331

    callin, " but would you buy your child a gun that looked like assault rifle to play with?" when I was kid having a toy like that was bragging rights all over the neighborhood and the police or other parents never batted an eye...I wonder what happened to the world we live in today ? toy guns are banned by parents,jobs are moved to other countries and using words like piss shit damn and hell are used on " T.V" like nobody is listening and regular daytime/night time viewing you can see more shin than the girls showers on revenge of the nerds and the language...forget about it...Ed Sullivan is rolling in his grave and Lawernce Welk would shit if he was still alive, but anyway all this and a kid can't have a toy gun ? just seems a little back-asswords to me..what happened ?


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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    edited September 2014
    toys guns are fucking nuts. guns are not toys. why get a child confused? if you have a house with real guns in it & the kids have toy guns you are asking for it. im saying the chances are greater that there will be a accident. you'd be better off teaching the kids that guns are deadly & not to fuck around.

    i remember us brother made toy guns out of wood when we wanted to play war. our real guns were in the house. toy guns are not something i would give my kids. same with the shoot 'em up killing spree, war video games. my 5-10 yr old would not be playing machine gun bloody games on the 55 inch.

    call me a strict dickhead all you want, but i am right


    & godfather, seeing flesh on the tv is 227% better for us than watching all that violence. we need more boobs & johnson on the tube & less boom, boom your dead & torture scenes

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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    No indictment. Special prosecutor "Piepmeier said although Crawford did not break any laws, the officers were justified in taking the action they did.". The action referred to being shooting to kill. No tasers, no talking...shot in the back.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    chadwick said:

    toys guns are fucking nuts. guns are not toys. why get a child confused? if you have a house with real guns in it & the kids have toy guns you are asking for it. im saying the chances are greater that there will be a accident. you'd be better off teaching the kids that guns are deadly & not to fuck around.

    i remember us brother made toy guns out of wood when we wanted to play war. our real guns were in the house. toy guns are not something i would give my kids. same with the shoot 'em up killing spree, war video games. my 5-10 yr old would not be playing machine gun bloody games on the 55 inch.

    call me a strict dickhead all you want, but i am right


    & godfather, seeing flesh on the tv is 227% better for us than watching all that violence. we need more boobs & johnson on the tube & less boom, boom your dead & torture scenes

    Fuckin poetry Chad.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    rgambs said:

    No indictment. Special prosecutor "Piepmeier said although Crawford did not break any laws, the officers were justified in taking the action they did.". The action referred to being shooting to kill. No tasers, no talking...shot in the back.

    Be interesting to price all footage together and see what this guy did or didn't do. And did the cops give guy chance to respond ?

    All this lets me know that even trained cops get it wrong so reason I don't want my neighbor defending me.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    The video that I have seen so far shows no menacing gestures, just casually strolling around talking on his cellphone. There is no sound, and the video of the shooting is hard to make out as its a video of a video on projection screen, but he does not appear to be facing the cops at any point prior to the shooting.
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  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,189
    callen said:

    chadwick said:

    toys guns are fucking nuts. guns are not toys. why get a child confused? if you have a house with real guns in it & the kids have toy guns you are asking for it. im saying the chances are greater that there will be a accident. you'd be better off teaching the kids that guns are deadly & not to fuck around.

    i remember us brother made toy guns out of wood when we wanted to play war. our real guns were in the house. toy guns are not something i would give my kids. same with the shoot 'em up killing spree, war video games. my 5-10 yr old would not be playing machine gun bloody games on the 55 inch.

    call me a strict dickhead all you want, but i am right


    & godfather, seeing flesh on the tv is 227% better for us than watching all that violence. we need more boobs & johnson on the tube & less boom, boom your dead & torture scenes

    Fuckin poetry Chad.
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    T.V. is mechanized politic's
    remote control over the masses
    co-sponsered by environmentally safe gases
    watch for the PBS special

    It's the perpetuation of the two party system
    where image takes precedence over wisdom
    Where sound bite politics are served to
    the fastfood culture

    Where straight teeth in your mouth
    are more important than the words
    that come out of it
    Race baiting is the way to get selected
    Willie Horton or
    Will he not get elected on . . .

    Television, the drug of the Nation
    Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation

    T.V. is it the reflector or the director?
    Does it imitate us or do we imitate it
    Because a child watches 1500 murders before he's
    twelve years old and we wonder how we've created
    a Jason generation that learns to laugh
    rather than abhor the horror

    T.V. is the place where
    armchair generals and quarterbacks can
    experience first hand
    the excitement of video warfare
    as the theme song is sung in the background

    Sugar sweet sitcoms
    that leave us with a bad actor taste while
    pop stars metamorphosize into soda pop stars
    You saw the video
    You heard the soundtrack
    Well now go buy the soft drink
    Well, the only cola that I support
    would be a union C.O.L.A. (Cost of Living Allowance)
    On Television.

    Television, the drug of the Nation
    Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation

    Back again, "New and Improved",
    we return to our irregularly programmed schedule
    hidden cleverly between heavy breasted
    beer and car commericals

    CNN ESPN ABC TNT but mostly B.S.
    Where oxymoronic language like
    "virtually spotless" "fresh frozen"
    "light yet filling" and "military intelligence"
    have become standard

    T.V. is the place where phrases are redefined
    like "recession" to "necessary downturn"
    "crude oil" on a beach to "mousse"
    "Civilian death" to "collateral damages"
    and being killed by your own Army
    is now called "friendly fire"

    T.V. is the place where the pursuit
    of happiness has become the pursuit of trivia
    Where toothpaste and cars have become sex objects
    Where imagination is sucked out of children
    by a cathode ray nipple
    T.V. is the only wet nurse
    that would create a cripple

    Television, the drug of the Nation
    Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation
    On Television . . .


    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,404
    edited September 2014
    rgambs said:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/grand-jury-probes-police-shooting-black-man-ohio-walmart-n208821

    At least they are thinking of indictment! Ohio is an open-carry state, so I don't see how they can get away without an indictment...funny how they release video evidence against Michael Brown, but evidence against the cops stays under wraps.

    no indictment . heard today.
    Getting a second look , federal level.
    http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2014/09/24/0924-No-indictment-in-Ohio-Wal-Mart-shooting.html
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/24/john-crawford-air-rifle-video_n_5878022.html

    There is the surveillance video. Not graphic. It appears to me he startled when shouted at, and then he is shot. Indisputable is the fact that he was not holding the weapon in a manner in which it could have been fired. Also indisputable is the fact that he was not menacing the Walmart as the 911 caller claimed, and the fact that officers gunned him down within mere seconds of encountering him. So sad that his life is gone and these people who are supposed to protect us are out there with their itchy trigger fingers itching away.
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