Michael Brown Shooting

chadwick

it is or just was a area of state emergency, national guard, state police, sheriffs deputies, law enforcement from all over missouri & possibly neighboring states, riot gear fuckers & who knows who else... it's not a time to be acting the fool w/ cops

PJ_Soul

pjhawks said:

blackredyellow said:

pjhawks said:

Idris said:

And whatever happened to firing 'warning shots' (or is that just in the movies?) or shooting a person's leg(s).

well you don't know if the guy has a gun so if you just fire a warning shot or hit his leg you could end up dead if he does have one.

and i suspect if warning shots were fired the neighbors would complain about firing shots needlessly.

That logic makes zero sense... By that standard, they could shoot anyone who resists arrest, because they "might" have a gun and could end up dead.

as they said you don't have a constitutional right to resist arrest...so uhh maybe yes

Not having a right to do something doesn't mean that being killed for doing it is reasonable.
Bottom line, shooting someone should be the LAST resort, not the first. It's a simple concept.

chadwick

who comes at a cop shouting, "shoot me mother fucker" supposedly w/ a knife in hand?

"(whatever his name is i can't tell) this isn't how you do it, bro, ya know what i'm sayin." shopkeeper
"y'all call the police?" video guy
"somethin somethin, naw, he called 'em, i aint want that shit" shopkeeper

PJ_Soul

chadwick said:

who comes at a cop shouting, "shoot me mother fucker" supposedly w/ a knife in hand?

A mentally ill or mentally unsound person does that.

Godfather.

Gern Blansten said:

Godfather. said:

7/18- Jimmie Norman, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/18- Terry Taylor, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/17- Cindy Raygoza, white female murdered by black male. No national news.
7/11- Luis Aguilar, 91 year old hispanic male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/10- Brittany Simpson, white female murdered by black male. No national news.
7/6- Sarah Goode, white female murdered by black male. No national news.
7/6- Jeffrey Westerfield, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/5- Perry Renn, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/3- Laurey Kennedy, white female still in coma from beating by black male. No national news
7/3 Eric Mollet, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/2 Rupert Anderson, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/2 Jennifer Kingeter, white female murdered by black male. No national news.
6/30 Jim Brennan, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/29 Paul Shephard, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/27 Shirley Barone, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/27 Penelope Spencer, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/27 Inga Evans, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/26 Jake Rameau, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/25 Gina Burger, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/24 Nathan Dasher, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/22 Jonathan Price, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/20 John Whitmore, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/18 John Yingling,white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/17 Allyn Reeves, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/15 Michael Beaver, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/11 Angela Cook, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/11 Nathan Hall, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/7 Harry Briggs, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/5 Laura Bachman, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/2 Robert Mohler, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/1 William Headley, white male, murdered by black male. No national news

I know several others have pointed out how ignorant this post is but I did want to point out that while the black man that killed Perry Renn on 07/05/14 might not have made national news (how do you even know??) I will say that the killer is in custody and will most likely face the death penalty in Indiana.

That's one difference between your "list" and Michael Brown's situation.

how ignorant this post is ? ...and yet you took the time to reply so I'm thinking it struck a nerve with at least a few members and besides I think you and a few others might be missing the point or just don't want to see or understand, a white guy/cop kills a black guy the black community loots and burns down their neighborhood and the media is forced to cover it because they know it will boost ratings-now a black guy/cop kills a white guy...the white community does not loot or burn down their own town so the media does not see any ratings in that.....everybody(whites) is so afraid of the race card they don't want to offend anybody, at least I call it like I see it and don't hide behind bullshit words and comments like biggot or racist.

Godfather.

callen

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chadwick

PJ_Soul said:

chadwick said:

who comes at a cop shouting, "shoot me mother fucker" supposedly w/ a knife in hand?

A mentally ill or mentally unsound person does that.

true they can. i think those cops should use other means. but damn shit is very real & thru the ceiling down there. cops are nervous. citizens are nervous. bad bad shit

wall232

Idris said:

And whatever happened to firing 'warning shots' (or is that just in the movies?) or shooting a person's leg(s).

Police are trained to shoot at the largest body mass and that is the torso. Try shooting at someone’s legs but miss and hit a bystander, what would the news stories be then? Also, I’m pretty sure warning shots aren’t something cops do.

I have to find the video of a NYC transit cop getting into a fight on the subway platform. The cop repeatedly tells the man to stand down but the man keeps walking towards him. The cop then pepper spays the man multiple times but it doesn’t stop him. The cop finds himself in a full on brawl, I believe the officer is able to get the situation under control as the video ends before the fight does but what happens if during the brawl the man gets ahold of the cops gun and kills him? Would people say the officer shouldn’t have used pepper spray and just shoot him? The officer is lucky that he was able to go home and see his family that night is all I’m saying.

Decisions need to be made quickly; you don’t have a pause button like in a video game to gather your thoughts. It’s always easy for us to sit here and make judgments on these situations, but for once try putting yourself in a situation that could go wrong quickly, are you really going to worry about some man who was obviously egging the cops on and yelling at them to kill him, or will you worry about your life and the life of your partner?

Cliffy6745

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

Godfather. said:

7/18- Jimmie Norman, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/18- Terry Taylor, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/17- Cindy Raygoza, white female murdered by black male. No national news.
7/11- Luis Aguilar, 91 year old hispanic male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/10- Brittany Simpson, white female murdered by black male. No national news.
7/6- Sarah Goode, white female murdered by black male. No national news.
7/6- Jeffrey Westerfield, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/5- Perry Renn, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/3- Laurey Kennedy, white female still in coma from beating by black male. No national news
7/3 Eric Mollet, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/2 Rupert Anderson, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/2 Jennifer Kingeter, white female murdered by black male. No national news.
6/30 Jim Brennan, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/29 Paul Shephard, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/27 Shirley Barone, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/27 Penelope Spencer, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/27 Inga Evans, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/26 Jake Rameau, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/25 Gina Burger, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/24 Nathan Dasher, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/22 Jonathan Price, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/20 John Whitmore, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/18 John Yingling,white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/17 Allyn Reeves, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/15 Michael Beaver, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/11 Angela Cook, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/11 Nathan Hall, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/7 Harry Briggs, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/5 Laura Bachman, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/2 Robert Mohler, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/1 William Headley, white male, murdered by black male. No national news

I know several others have pointed out how ignorant this post is but I did want to point out that while the black man that killed Perry Renn on 07/05/14 might not have made national news (how do you even know??) I will say that the killer is in custody and will most likely face the death penalty in Indiana.

That's one difference between your "list" and Michael Brown's situation.

how ignorant this post is ? ...and yet you took the time to reply so I'm thinking it struck a nerve with at least a few members and besides I think you and a few others might be missing the point or just don't want to see or understand, a white guy/cop kills a black guy the black community loots and burns down their neighborhood and the media is forced to cover it because they know it will boost ratings-now a black guy/cop kills a white guy...the white community does not loot or burn down their own town so the media does not see any ratings in that.....everybody(whites) is so afraid of the race card they don't want to offend anybody, at least I call it like I see it and don't hide behind bullshit words and comments like biggot or racist.

Godfather.

Says the racist and bigot. Maybe people don't hide behind things and they are just not racist such as yourself?

There are plenty of people here who I completely disagree with but don't think their views are racist.

callen

Idris said:

Cause its tougher, u don't do it? Not even attempt?

I've seen it done before, it can be done. And this guy was not exactly quick paced, from the video it seems like a leg shot was possible.

Anyway, its just sad. It really is sad what our society is right now.

If you threaten a police officer with knife and walk towards him you deserve to die. Cops should not need to put their safety at risk at all to save a deranged suicidal person. I find it sad that this is not universally accepted.

Kat

I searched but didn't see this posted...mouse-over map at end of article. I'd like to see local law enforcement with more tasers and things to subdue people without killing them.

What Military Gear Your Local Police Department Bought
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/upshot/data-on-transfer-of-military-gear-to-police-departments.html?_r=0&abt=0002&abg=1

PJ_Soul

callen said:

Idris said:

Cause its tougher, u don't do it? Not even attempt?

I've seen it done before, it can be done. And this guy was not exactly quick paced, from the video it seems like a leg shot was possible.

Anyway, its just sad. It really is sad what our society is right now.

If you threaten a police officer with knife and walk towards him you deserve to die. Cops should not need to put their safety at risk at all to save a deranged suicidal person. I find it sad that this is not universally accepted.

So if you are mentally ill or disabled or suicidal and not at all lucid or capable of making good decisions you deserve to die?

callen

PJ_Soul said:

callen said:

Idris said:

Cause its tougher, u don't do it? Not even attempt?

I've seen it done before, it can be done. And this guy was not exactly quick paced, from the video it seems like a leg shot was possible.

Anyway, its just sad. It really is sad what our society is right now.

If you threaten a police officer with knife and walk towards him you deserve to die. Cops should not need to put their safety at risk at all to save a deranged suicidal person. I find it sad that this is not universally accepted.

So if you are mentally ill or disabled or suicidal and not at all lucid or capable of making good decisions you deserve to die?

Life's a bitch and I don't expect police officers to risk their lives. Really simple. Think next time guys wielding a knife saying "kill me" you should offer your assistance in disarming him. Without harming or hurting his feelings.

callen

PJ_Soul said:

callen said:

Idris said:

Cause its tougher, u don't do it? Not even attempt?

I've seen it done before, it can be done. And this guy was not exactly quick paced, from the video it seems like a leg shot was possible.

Anyway, its just sad. It really is sad what our society is right now.

If you threaten a police officer with knife and walk towards him you deserve to die. Cops should not need to put their safety at risk at all to save a deranged suicidal person. I find it sad that this is not universally accepted.

So if you are mentally ill or disabled or suicidal and not at all lucid or capable of making good decisions you deserve to die?

And don't blame the cop for guy being killed, blame his support system/society, cops are just left to clean up our mess. Scapegoats.

norm

wow

PJ_Soul

callen said:

PJ_Soul said:

callen said:

Idris said:

Cause its tougher, u don't do it? Not even attempt?

I've seen it done before, it can be done. And this guy was not exactly quick paced, from the video it seems like a leg shot was possible.

Anyway, its just sad. It really is sad what our society is right now.

If you threaten a police officer with knife and walk towards him you deserve to die. Cops should not need to put their safety at risk at all to save a deranged suicidal person. I find it sad that this is not universally accepted.

So if you are mentally ill or disabled or suicidal and not at all lucid or capable of making good decisions you deserve to die?

Life's a bitch and I don't expect police officers to risk their lives. Really simple. Think next time guys wielding a knife saying "kill me" you should offer your assistance in disarming him. Without harming or hurting his feelings.

How are they risking their lives by tasing or pepper spraying the guy from a distance rather than shooting him dead?
Life's a bitch? Really?
So you would tell the mother of a mentally ill or disabled person "life's a bitch" after the cops shot her kid who didn't even fully understand what he was doing and the cops killed him when they could just as well have tased him?

callen

norm said:

wow

Agree. Wow.

norm

i can't believe people are now advocating public executions

Gern Blansten

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

Godfather. said:

7/18- Jimmie Norman, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/18- Terry Taylor, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/17- Cindy Raygoza, white female murdered by black male. No national news.
7/11- Luis Aguilar, 91 year old hispanic male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/10- Brittany Simpson, white female murdered by black male. No national news.
7/6- Sarah Goode, white female murdered by black male. No national news.
7/6- Jeffrey Westerfield, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/5- Perry Renn, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/3- Laurey Kennedy, white female still in coma from beating by black male. No national news
7/3 Eric Mollet, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/2 Rupert Anderson, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/2 Jennifer Kingeter, white female murdered by black male. No national news.
6/30 Jim Brennan, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/29 Paul Shephard, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/27 Shirley Barone, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/27 Penelope Spencer, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/27 Inga Evans, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/26 Jake Rameau, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/25 Gina Burger, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/24 Nathan Dasher, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/22 Jonathan Price, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/20 John Whitmore, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/18 John Yingling,white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/17 Allyn Reeves, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/15 Michael Beaver, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/11 Angela Cook, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/11 Nathan Hall, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/7 Harry Briggs, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/5 Laura Bachman, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/2 Robert Mohler, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/1 William Headley, white male, murdered by black male. No national news

I know several others have pointed out how ignorant this post is but I did want to point out that while the black man that killed Perry Renn on 07/05/14 might not have made national news (how do you even know??) I will say that the killer is in custody and will most likely face the death penalty in Indiana.

That's one difference between your "list" and Michael Brown's situation.

how ignorant this post is ? ...and yet you took the time to reply so I'm thinking it struck a nerve with at least a few members and besides I think you and a few others might be missing the point or just don't want to see or understand, a white guy/cop kills a black guy the black community loots and burns down their neighborhood and the media is forced to cover it because they know it will boost ratings-now a black guy/cop kills a white guy...the white community does not loot or burn down their own town so the media does not see any ratings in that.....everybody(whites) is so afraid of the race card they don't want to offend anybody, at least I call it like I see it and don't hide behind bullshit words and comments like biggot or racist.

Godfather.

yes extreme ignorance tends to strike a nerve...

In my example the black guy kills a white cop and is apprehended and is awaiting trial......why would whites riot when justice appears to be prevailing?

The looting is wrong....but comparing that to my example doesn't fly because the injured party is getting relief from the system.

callen

PJ_Soul said:

callen said:

PJ_Soul said:

callen said:

Idris said:

Cause its tougher, u don't do it? Not even attempt?

I've seen it done before, it can be done. And this guy was not exactly quick paced, from the video it seems like a leg shot was possible.

Anyway, its just sad. It really is sad what our society is right now.

If you threaten a police officer with knife and walk towards him you deserve to die. Cops should not need to put their safety at risk at all to save a deranged suicidal person. I find it sad that this is not universally accepted.

So if you are mentally ill or disabled or suicidal and not at all lucid or capable of making good decisions you deserve to die?

Life's a bitch and I don't expect police officers to risk their lives. Really simple. Think next time guys wielding a knife saying "kill me" you should offer your assistance in disarming him. Without harming or hurting his feelings.

How are they risking their lives by tasing or pepper spraying the guy from a distance rather than shooting him dead?
Life's a bitch? Really?
So you would tell the mother of a mentally ill or disabled person "life's a bitch" after the cops shot her kid who didn't even fully understand what he was doing and the cops killed him when they could just as well have tased him?

Tasing doesn't always work. If it did. 100% of time and there was no risk to officer be great.