Police abuse

Thirty Bills Unpaid

dignin said:

The full video is unbelievable.

While the other cops seem to act like human beings, that one cop is out of control. He does a barrel roll like he's in a war zone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R46-XTqXkzE

He tripped. He didn't do a commando barrel roll like some donkey in a Seth Rogan movie. Geezuz man.

I'm starting to think some here feel that the moment cops come to any tricky situations... they should tuck their tail between their legs and whimper off. The cops showed incredible restraint as that gaggle of idiots grabbed at their gear multiple times as they were trying to gain control of the situation.

"They're just kids..." Yah. So what? They're not exactly toddlers and are they too stupid to understand things have escalated to a point where the police have been called sooo... party over? Move along... just like me and my friends did back in our day when the cops were called by someone needing their assistance.

I guess the police should have ignored the call and allowed the party to run its course? Is this what you are saying? Maybe you are saying the police should have come in and called everyone over for a nice talk about respecting people's property and offered all the kids rides home? I'm sure the kids would have responded very well to that tactic.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

The full video is unbelievable.

While the other cops seem to act like human beings, that one cop is out of control. He does a barrel roll like he's in a war zone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R46-XTqXkzE

He tripped. He didn't do a commando barrel roll like some donkey in a Seth Rogan movie. Geezuz man.

I'm starting to think some here feel that the moment cops come to any tricky situations... they should tuck their tail between their legs and whimper off. The cops showed incredible restraint as that gaggle of idiots grabbed at their gear multiple times as they were trying to gain control of the situation.

"They're just kids..." Yah. So what? They're not exactly toddlers and are they too stupid to understand things have escalated to a point where the police have been called sooo... party over? Move along... just like me and my friends did back in our day when the cops were called by someone needing their assistance.

I guess the police should have ignored the call and allowed the party to run its course? Is this what you are saying? Maybe you are saying the police should have come in and called everyone over for a nice talk about respecting people's property and offered all the kids rides home? I'm sure the kids would have responded very well to that tactic.

You seem downright desperate to defend cops. Nobody grabbed at his gear until he assaulted a teenage girl for no reason. Power tripping asshole. She was walking away, he told them to disperse and they were complying, but because he didn't approve of her use of free speech he decided to assault her. He's lucky he didn't get knocked out. I don't care who you are, I am swinging at your face hard if you lay hands on a woman without provocation.

rgambs

The girl is sitting on her butt making no aggressive moves.
"ON YOUR FACE!"

callen

Cops have to be able to protect themselves. When the cop tried to subdue the girl he had two guys come up from behind. Sorry but his life was in danger and he rightfully needed to take evasive actions. He didn't shoot anyone. He didn't beat anyone up. We created this society with our gun happy culture. This is what happens. Also don't feel this has anything to do with race.

Cops where called to assist security guard that was over matched by twitter party invite violating pool rules of guests per tenant. Police came to assist and sure if the teens left we wouldn't be hearing of this.

There's a balance to this and I'm very critical of police and recent events. This though may be going to far.

As to racist comment like to hear more details.

rgambs

callen said:

Cops have to be able to protect themselves. When the cop tried to subdue the girl he had two guys come up from behind. Sorry but his life was in danger and he rightfully needed to take evasive actions. He didn't shoot anyone. He didn't beat anyone up. We created this society with our gun happy culture. This is what happens. Also don't feel this has anything to do with race.

Cops where called to assist security guard that was over matched by twitter party invite violating pool rules of guests per tenant. Police came to assist and sure if the teens left we wouldn't be hearing of this.

There's a balance to this and I'm very critical of police and recent events. This though may be going to far.

As to racist comment like to hear more details.

The problem is that the cop had no reason to "subdue" the girl in the first place. He wasn't responding to a dangerous situation, that's bullshit, he was CREATING a dangerous situation.

rgambs

Last-12-Exit said:

Why can't these kids just listen to the cops? The girl that was tackled was running her mouth and not complying to the officers demands. It all boils down to one thing: COMPLY WITH THE POLICE.

Damn her and her exercise of free speech in the face of authority. Inexcusable.
Looked like she was complying to me considering he had to run over to her as she walked away.

dignin

As I stated before, the other cops seemed to be behaving like normal human beings. It was one cop who was out of control and on a power trip. It was obvious in the video.

I guess I hold the police in higher regard than the police apologists here on the AMT. I expect more from them then what I am seeing by all these recent incidents.

As I was watching the video I also wondered why the cop never made the person who was taking the video sit down.....or even arrest him for not dispersing. Turns out he was white.

Brandon Brooks, 15, who shot the video, told a TV station that Officer Casebolt had not confronted him, one of the few white teenagers at the party.

“I was one of the only white people in the area when that was happening,” he told the station. “You can see in part of the video where he tells us to sit down, and he kind of like skips over me and tells all my African-American friends to go sit down.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/09/us/mckinney-tex-pool-party-dispute-leads-to-police-officer-suspension.html

callen

rgambs said:

callen said:

Cops have to be able to protect themselves. When the cop tried to subdue the girl he had two guys come up from behind. Sorry but his life was in danger and he rightfully needed to take evasive actions. He didn't shoot anyone. He didn't beat anyone up. We created this society with our gun happy culture. This is what happens. Also don't feel this has anything to do with race.

Cops where called to assist security guard that was over matched by twitter party invite violating pool rules of guests per tenant. Police came to assist and sure if the teens left we wouldn't be hearing of this.

There's a balance to this and I'm very critical of police and recent events. This though may be going to far.

As to racist comment like to hear more details.

The problem is that the cop had no reason to "subdue" the girl in the first place. He wasn't responding to a dangerous situation, that's bullshit, he was CREATING a dangerous situation.

Do we know what happened prior to video?

rgambs

callen said:

rgambs said:

callen said:

Cops have to be able to protect themselves. When the cop tried to subdue the girl he had two guys come up from behind. Sorry but his life was in danger and he rightfully needed to take evasive actions. He didn't shoot anyone. He didn't beat anyone up. We created this society with our gun happy culture. This is what happens. Also don't feel this has anything to do with race.

Cops where called to assist security guard that was over matched by twitter party invite violating pool rules of guests per tenant. Police came to assist and sure if the teens left we wouldn't be hearing of this.

There's a balance to this and I'm very critical of police and recent events. This though may be going to far.

As to racist comment like to hear more details.

The problem is that the cop had no reason to "subdue" the girl in the first place. He wasn't responding to a dangerous situation, that's bullshit, he was CREATING a dangerous situation.

Do we know what happened prior to video?

The full story hasn't been told yet, but so far there are no reports of violence.
In the quoted statement I was speaking only to the context of the asshole cop and his immediate surroundings. This wasn't a tense stand off, it was one asshole surrounded by a bunch of rubbernecking teens.

The pulling of the weapon was justified as he was being threatened at that moment, but that is a situation he created, not encountered.

rgambs

I was tailgating a Browns game one year when a 15-20 man brawl broke out, none of the responding officers acted like this asshole. Through all the shouting and crowds, the bloody noses and unruly drunks, the officers kept their cool and de-escalated the situation.
That's the difference between exemplary police work and a power tripping asshole who deserves a fist to the jaw.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

The full video is unbelievable.

While the other cops seem to act like human beings, that one cop is out of control. He does a barrel roll like he's in a war zone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R46-XTqXkzE

He tripped. He didn't do a commando barrel roll like some donkey in a Seth Rogan movie. Geezuz man.

I'm starting to think some here feel that the moment cops come to any tricky situations... they should tuck their tail between their legs and whimper off. The cops showed incredible restraint as that gaggle of idiots grabbed at their gear multiple times as they were trying to gain control of the situation.

"They're just kids..." Yah. So what? They're not exactly toddlers and are they too stupid to understand things have escalated to a point where the police have been called sooo... party over? Move along... just like me and my friends did back in our day when the cops were called by someone needing their assistance.

I guess the police should have ignored the call and allowed the party to run its course? Is this what you are saying? Maybe you are saying the police should have come in and called everyone over for a nice talk about respecting people's property and offered all the kids rides home? I'm sure the kids would have responded very well to that tactic.

You seem downright desperate to defend cops. Nobody grabbed at his gear until he assaulted a teenage girl for no reason. Power tripping asshole. She was walking away, he told them to disperse and they were complying, but because he didn't approve of her use of free speech he decided to assault her. He's lucky he didn't get knocked out. I don't care who you are, I am swinging at your face hard if you lay hands on a woman without provocation.

Look in the mirror. You seem downright desperate to condemn cops. I have been critical of cops when criticism has been warranted. In this situation, nobody was hurthurt and a situation was handled.

I notice you never said how you thought this situation should have been handled? Ignore the call? Say "pretty please" to get their gear given back to them after the children took it off them when they were performing their duties? As soon as the children became belligerent, scuttle into the cars and drive away? Call the children in for a fireside chat?

Can you please tell us the way these incompetents should have handled this in a way that produced results for the homeowners that called for their assistance?

These are the police. Someone earlier said it- they are not parents. When they are on the scene, things have gone too far. Time to grab your towels and move along- not taunt them, try and steal the equipment attached to their belt, or lunge at them.

Unfreakingbelievable.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

The full video is unbelievable.

While the other cops seem to act like human beings, that one cop is out of control. He does a barrel roll like he's in a war zone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R46-XTqXkzE

He tripped. He didn't do a commando barrel roll like some donkey in a Seth Rogan movie. Geezuz man.

I'm starting to think some here feel that the moment cops come to any tricky situations... they should tuck their tail between their legs and whimper off. The cops showed incredible restraint as that gaggle of idiots grabbed at their gear multiple times as they were trying to gain control of the situation.

"They're just kids..." Yah. So what? They're not exactly toddlers and are they too stupid to understand things have escalated to a point where the police have been called sooo... party over? Move along... just like me and my friends did back in our day when the cops were called by someone needing their assistance.

I guess the police should have ignored the call and allowed the party to run its course? Is this what you are saying? Maybe you are saying the police should have come in and called everyone over for a nice talk about respecting people's property and offered all the kids rides home? I'm sure the kids would have responded very well to that tactic.

You seem downright desperate to defend cops. Nobody grabbed at his gear until he assaulted a teenage girl for no reason. Power tripping asshole. She was walking away, he told them to disperse and they were complying, but because he didn't approve of her use of free speech he decided to assault her. He's lucky he didn't get knocked out. I don't care who you are, I am swinging at your face hard if you lay hands on a woman without provocation.

Look in the mirror. You seem downright desperate to condemn cops. I have been critical of cops when criticism has been warranted. In this situation, nobody was hurthurt and a situation was handled.

I notice you never said how you thought this situation should have been handled? Ignore the call? Say "pretty please" to get their gear given back to them after the children took it off them when they were performing their duties? As soon as the children became belligerent, scuttle into the cars and drive away? Call the children in for a fireside chat?

Can you please tell us the way these incompetents should have handled this in a way that produced results for the homeowners that called for their assistance?

These are the police. Someone earlier said it- they are not parents. When they are on the scene, things have gone too far. Time to grab your towels and move along- not taunt them, try and steal the equipment attached to their belt, or lunge at them.

Unfreakingbelievable.

Where is this stealing of the equipment you are talking about? I didn't see anything of the sort.

You want to know how I think the situation should have been handled?
It should be handled exactly as it was by all the officers on scene but the one who was on a power trip. The situation was handled well, they responded with necessary force and calmed the situation until this jagaloon got everyone worked up with his unwarranted violence.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

The full video is unbelievable.

While the other cops seem to act like human beings, that one cop is out of control. He does a barrel roll like he's in a war zone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R46-XTqXkzE

He tripped. He didn't do a commando barrel roll like some donkey in a Seth Rogan movie. Geezuz man.

I'm starting to think some here feel that the moment cops come to any tricky situations... they should tuck their tail between their legs and whimper off. The cops showed incredible restraint as that gaggle of idiots grabbed at their gear multiple times as they were trying to gain control of the situation.

"They're just kids..." Yah. So what? They're not exactly toddlers and are they too stupid to understand things have escalated to a point where the police have been called sooo... party over? Move along... just like me and my friends did back in our day when the cops were called by someone needing their assistance.

I guess the police should have ignored the call and allowed the party to run its course? Is this what you are saying? Maybe you are saying the police should have come in and called everyone over for a nice talk about respecting people's property and offered all the kids rides home? I'm sure the kids would have responded very well to that tactic.

You seem downright desperate to defend cops. Nobody grabbed at his gear until he assaulted a teenage girl for no reason. Power tripping asshole. She was walking away, he told them to disperse and they were complying, but because he didn't approve of her use of free speech he decided to assault her. He's lucky he didn't get knocked out. I don't care who you are, I am swinging at your face hard if you lay hands on a woman without provocation.

Look in the mirror. You seem downright desperate to condemn cops. I have been critical of cops when criticism has been warranted. In this situation, nobody was hurthurt and a situation was handled.

I notice you never said how you thought this situation should have been handled? Ignore the call? Say "pretty please" to get their gear given back to them after the children took it off them when they were performing their duties? As soon as the children became belligerent, scuttle into the cars and drive away? Call the children in for a fireside chat?

Can you please tell us the way these incompetents should have handled this in a way that produced results for the homeowners that called for their assistance?

These are the police. Someone earlier said it- they are not parents. When they are on the scene, things have gone too far. Time to grab your towels and move along- not taunt them, try and steal the equipment attached to their belt, or lunge at them.

Unfreakingbelievable.

Where is this stealing of the equipment you are talking about? I didn't see anything of the sort.

You want to know how I think the situation should have been handled?
It should be handled exactly as it was by all the officers on scene but the one who was on a power trip. The situation was handled well, they responded with necessary force and calmed the situation until this jagaloon got everyone worked up with his unwarranted violence.

It's hard to tell from the video, but the initial chase seemed to be two cops running after a kid who had one of the cop's flashlights. The professional officer is handed an item that he had lost- I think that might have been from when he tripped (or performed his action war zone roll as one member frothing at the mouth described).

At the 50 minute mark (or so), one of the cops (the jagaloon I believe) is wrestling his flashlight from the hands of one of the children.

It's really hard to tell what started the 'buzz'. Are you sure the 'jagaloon' jumped out of the car and roared around fanning the flames in what should have been a piece of cake? Is it possible, before you drop him from the ledge, that things got shitty because they were trying to deal with the situation in a calm manner that was met with resistance and belligerence? And things got tenser as a result?

pjhawks

rgambs said:

I was tailgating a Browns game one year when a 15-20 man brawl broke out, none of the responding officers acted like this asshole. Through all the shouting and crowds, the bloody noses and unruly drunks, the officers kept their cool and de-escalated the situation.
That's the difference between exemplary police work and a power tripping asshole who deserves a fist to the jaw.

it's much easier to sit behind a computer and 'suggest' how someone would react in a tense situation. this cop may be an asshole but he didn't do anything criminal in this case. why is this a big story?

rgambs

pjhawks said:

rgambs said:

I was tailgating a Browns game one year when a 15-20 man brawl broke out, none of the responding officers acted like this asshole. Through all the shouting and crowds, the bloody noses and unruly drunks, the officers kept their cool and de-escalated the situation.
That's the difference between exemplary police work and a power tripping asshole who deserves a fist to the jaw.

it's much easier to sit behind a computer and 'suggest' how someone would react in a tense situation. this cop may be an asshole but he didn't do anything criminal in this case. why is this a big story?

If it was your sister/wife/GF/mother/cousin/friend would you still be dismissing it as no big deal? Would you still think she got what she deserved for crashing a pool?

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

The full video is unbelievable.

While the other cops seem to act like human beings, that one cop is out of control. He does a barrel roll like he's in a war zone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R46-XTqXkzE

He tripped. He didn't do a commando barrel roll like some donkey in a Seth Rogan movie. Geezuz man.

I'm starting to think some here feel that the moment cops come to any tricky situations... they should tuck their tail between their legs and whimper off. The cops showed incredible restraint as that gaggle of idiots grabbed at their gear multiple times as they were trying to gain control of the situation.

"They're just kids..." Yah. So what? They're not exactly toddlers and are they too stupid to understand things have escalated to a point where the police have been called sooo... party over? Move along... just like me and my friends did back in our day when the cops were called by someone needing their assistance.

I guess the police should have ignored the call and allowed the party to run its course? Is this what you are saying? Maybe you are saying the police should have come in and called everyone over for a nice talk about respecting people's property and offered all the kids rides home? I'm sure the kids would have responded very well to that tactic.

You seem downright desperate to defend cops. Nobody grabbed at his gear until he assaulted a teenage girl for no reason. Power tripping asshole. She was walking away, he told them to disperse and they were complying, but because he didn't approve of her use of free speech he decided to assault her. He's lucky he didn't get knocked out. I don't care who you are, I am swinging at your face hard if you lay hands on a woman without provocation.

Look in the mirror. You seem downright desperate to condemn cops. I have been critical of cops when criticism has been warranted. In this situation, nobody was hurthurt and a situation was handled.

I notice you never said how you thought this situation should have been handled? Ignore the call? Say "pretty please" to get their gear given back to them after the children took it off them when they were performing their duties? As soon as the children became belligerent, scuttle into the cars and drive away? Call the children in for a fireside chat?

Can you please tell us the way these incompetents should have handled this in a way that produced results for the homeowners that called for their assistance?

These are the police. Someone earlier said it- they are not parents. When they are on the scene, things have gone too far. Time to grab your towels and move along- not taunt them, try and steal the equipment attached to their belt, or lunge at them.

Unfreakingbelievable.

Where is this stealing of the equipment you are talking about? I didn't see anything of the sort.

You want to know how I think the situation should have been handled?
It should be handled exactly as it was by all the officers on scene but the one who was on a power trip. The situation was handled well, they responded with necessary force and calmed the situation until this jagaloon got everyone worked up with his unwarranted violence.

It's hard to tell from the video, but the initial chase seemed to be two cops running after a kid who had one of the cop's flashlights. The professional officer is handed an item that he had lost- I think that might have been from when he tripped (or performed his action war zone roll as one member frothing at the mouth described).

At the 50 minute mark (or so), one of the cops (the jagaloon I believe) is wrestling his flashlight from the hands of one of the children.

It's really hard to tell what started the 'buzz'. Are you sure the 'jagaloon' jumped out of the car and roared around fanning the flames in what should have been a piece of cake? Is it possible, before you drop him from the ledge, that things got shitty because they were trying to deal with the situation in a calm manner that was met with resistance and belligerence? And things got tenser as a result?

I didn't make it to the 50 minute Mark, so I missed that. I did see the camera kid give him back the one he dropped.

I saw dozens of calm people and one who was fanning the flames. I don't see how you can justify assault on a teenage girl just because things are tense. That's ridiculous. He went after her to prove a point, not because he was being threatened.
Sticks and stones. Words are nevet justification for violence, some cops need to learn that kindergarten lesson.

badbrains

If a father had done what this maniac cop did to his daughter, dyfus or whatever they're called would've been called and the father would be getting blasted. Or if someone flung a dog/cat like that, the whole animal loving community would be up in arms. Heard this on one of the news channels yesterday.

pjhawks

rgambs said:

pjhawks said:

rgambs said:

I was tailgating a Browns game one year when a 15-20 man brawl broke out, none of the responding officers acted like this asshole. Through all the shouting and crowds, the bloody noses and unruly drunks, the officers kept their cool and de-escalated the situation.
That's the difference between exemplary police work and a power tripping asshole who deserves a fist to the jaw.

it's much easier to sit behind a computer and 'suggest' how someone would react in a tense situation. this cop may be an asshole but he didn't do anything criminal in this case. why is this a big story?

If it was your sister/wife/GF/mother/cousin/friend would you still be dismissing it as no big deal? Would you still think she got what she deserved for crashing a pool?

was it criminal? her actions were criminal, not his. she was trespassing at a party she wasn't supposed to be at.

JimmyV

What happened to that girl didn't happen because she crashed a pool party. It happened because she refused to obey a police officer in the midst of a situation that was spiraling out of control. Had she simply walked away she would have not been tackled or detained. The cop overreacted, but we shouldn't pretend that this girl did nothing but trespass at a pool party.

dignin

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

The full video is unbelievable.

While the other cops seem to act like human beings, that one cop is out of control. He does a barrel roll like he's in a war zone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R46-XTqXkzE

He tripped. He didn't do a commando barrel roll like some donkey in a Seth Rogan movie. Geezuz man.

I'm starting to think some here feel that the moment cops come to any tricky situations... they should tuck their tail between their legs and whimper off. The cops showed incredible restraint as that gaggle of idiots grabbed at their gear multiple times as they were trying to gain control of the situation.

"They're just kids..." Yah. So what? They're not exactly toddlers and are they too stupid to understand things have escalated to a point where the police have been called sooo... party over? Move along... just like me and my friends did back in our day when the cops were called by someone needing their assistance.

I guess the police should have ignored the call and allowed the party to run its course? Is this what you are saying? Maybe you are saying the police should have come in and called everyone over for a nice talk about respecting people's property and offered all the kids rides home? I'm sure the kids would have responded very well to that tactic.

You seem downright desperate to defend cops. Nobody grabbed at his gear until he assaulted a teenage girl for no reason. Power tripping asshole. She was walking away, he told them to disperse and they were complying, but because he didn't approve of her use of free speech he decided to assault her. He's lucky he didn't get knocked out. I don't care who you are, I am swinging at your face hard if you lay hands on a woman without provocation.

Look in the mirror. You seem downright desperate to condemn cops. I have been critical of cops when criticism has been warranted. In this situation, nobody was hurthurt and a situation was handled.

I notice you never said how you thought this situation should have been handled? Ignore the call? Say "pretty please" to get their gear given back to them after the children took it off them when they were performing their duties? As soon as the children became belligerent, scuttle into the cars and drive away? Call the children in for a fireside chat?

Can you please tell us the way these incompetents should have handled this in a way that produced results for the homeowners that called for their assistance?

These are the police. Someone earlier said it- they are not parents. When they are on the scene, things have gone too far. Time to grab your towels and move along- not taunt them, try and steal the equipment attached to their belt, or lunge at them.

Unfreakingbelievable.

Where is this stealing of the equipment you are talking about? I didn't see anything of the sort.

You want to know how I think the situation should have been handled?
It should be handled exactly as it was by all the officers on scene but the one who was on a power trip. The situation was handled well, they responded with necessary force and calmed the situation until this jagaloon got everyone worked up with his unwarranted violence.

It's hard to tell from the video, but the initial chase seemed to be two cops running after a kid who had one of the cop's flashlights. The professional officer is handed an item that he had lost- I think that might have been from when he tripped (or performed his action war zone roll as one member frothing at the mouth described).

At the 50 minute mark (or so), one of the cops (the jagaloon I believe) is wrestling his flashlight from the hands of one of the children.

Frothing at the mouth? I was making fun of this Rambo cop thirty. It's a joke. It seems like you're taking my comments personally and then try to insult as a result. If that's your game, fine, but it's childish and adds nothing to a debate. You have a habit of doing that.

And what video were you watching that was 50 minutes long and had people wrestling for a flashlight?