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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    You're saying that on any given summer night, Chicago has 50-100 shootings with a man down? That's not at all exaggerated??
  • muskydan
    muskydan Posts: 1,013
    Last-12-Exit said:

    You're saying that on any given summer night, Chicago has 50-100 shootings with a man down? That's not at all exaggerated??

    Hell yes, but whether they are bona fide or not is another story. I'd say 20-30% are bona fide. Lots and lots of people walk or are carried into emergency rooms w/ holes in them and 95% of the time they refuse to talk 2 the Police
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/fbi-overstated-forensic-hair-matches-in-nearly-all-criminal-trials-for-decades/2015/04/18/39c8d8c6-e515-11e4-b510-962fcfabc310_story.html

    Decades of abuse, hundreds or thousands screwed, all in a day's work for the guys who can do no wrong.
    Absolute, balls to the wall insanity.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited April 2015
    double post
    sorry
    Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    rgambs said:


    Decades of abuse, hundreds or thousands screwed, all in a day's work for the guys who can do no wrong.
    Absolute, balls to the wall insanity.

    Man
    At some point you have to concede that what you say sometimes is wrong

    Decades of non-abuse from the majority of police. Hundreds, thousands, millions helped and all in a day's work from the guys that are human.

    I find it very hard to believe that you have such an adamant stance against police.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    rgambs said:


    Decades of abuse, hundreds or thousands screwed, all in a day's work for the guys who can do no wrong.
    Absolute, balls to the wall insanity.

    Man
    At some point you have to concede that what you say sometimes is wrong

    Decades of non-abuse from the majority of police. Hundreds, thousands, millions helped and all in a day's work from the guys that are human.

    I find it very hard to believe that you have such an adamant stance against police.
    I have no idea what is happening with quotes right now
    rg this is to you
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    rgambs said:


    Decades of abuse, hundreds or thousands screwed, all in a day's work for the guys who can do no wrong.
    Absolute, balls to the wall insanity.

    Man
    At some point you have to concede that what you say sometimes is wrong

    Decades of non-abuse from the majority of police. Hundreds, thousands, millions helped and all in a day's work from the guys that are human.

    I find it very hard to believe that you have such an adamant stance against police.
    What's wrong? Please point out where I need to concede.

    It is beyond obvious that millions have been helped and not abused by police. I am not claiming otherwise. The vast majority of parents don't abuse their kids, does that mean we should ignore the ones who do? The vast majority of people don't rape anyone, does that make it a non-issue?

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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    rgambs said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    rgambs said:


    Decades of abuse, hundreds or thousands screwed, all in a day's work for the guys who can do no wrong.
    Absolute, balls to the wall insanity.

    Man
    At some point you have to concede that what you say sometimes is wrong

    Decades of non-abuse from the majority of police. Hundreds, thousands, millions helped and all in a day's work from the guys that are human.

    I find it very hard to believe that you have such an adamant stance against police.
    What's wrong? Please point out where I need to concede.

    It is beyond obvious that millions have been helped and not abused by police. I am not claiming otherwise. The vast majority of parents don't abuse their kids, does that mean we should ignore the ones who do? The vast majority of people don't rape anyone, does that make it a non-issue?

    I guess I have misread my take on your cyber profile.
    I just don't see you as being this guy to advocate police abuse issues.
    I really don't see you saying and acting like this to your real life friends/associates.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    rgambs said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    rgambs said:


    Decades of abuse, hundreds or thousands screwed, all in a day's work for the guys who can do no wrong.
    Absolute, balls to the wall insanity.

    Man
    At some point you have to concede that what you say sometimes is wrong

    Decades of non-abuse from the majority of police. Hundreds, thousands, millions helped and all in a day's work from the guys that are human.

    I find it very hard to believe that you have such an adamant stance against police.
    What's wrong? Please point out where I need to concede.

    It is beyond obvious that millions have been helped and not abused by police. I am not claiming otherwise. The vast majority of parents don't abuse their kids, does that mean we should ignore the ones who do? The vast majority of people don't rape anyone, does that make it a non-issue?

    GREAT points by the new papa
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    rgambs said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    rgambs said:


    Decades of abuse, hundreds or thousands screwed, all in a day's work for the guys who can do no wrong.
    Absolute, balls to the wall insanity.

    Man
    At some point you have to concede that what you say sometimes is wrong

    Decades of non-abuse from the majority of police. Hundreds, thousands, millions helped and all in a day's work from the guys that are human.

    I find it very hard to believe that you have such an adamant stance against police.
    What's wrong? Please point out where I need to concede.

    It is beyond obvious that millions have been helped and not abused by police. I am not claiming otherwise. The vast majority of parents don't abuse their kids, does that mean we should ignore the ones who do? The vast majority of people don't rape anyone, does that make it a non-issue?

    I guess I have misread my take on your cyber profile.
    I just don't see you as being this guy to advocate police abuse issues.
    I really don't see you saying and acting like this to your real life friends/associates.
    I am a complicated fella what can I say lol
    I have various experiences on both sides of the law enforcement/criminal justice system, both good and bad.
    In real life I am absolutely a critic of police abuse/brotherhood issues. I was quite at odds with my EMT/Paramedic coworker/friends on these issues, but I don't have trouble keeping debates from getting too personal.

    I now hold the record for most slashes in a post on the AMT!
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited April 2015
    rgambs said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    rgambs said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    rgambs said:


    Decades of abuse, hundreds or thousands screwed, all in a day's work for the guys who can do no wrong.
    Absolute, balls to the wall insanity.

    Man
    At some point you have to concede that what you say sometimes is wrong

    Decades of non-abuse from the majority of police. Hundreds, thousands, millions helped and all in a day's work from the guys that are human.

    I find it very hard to believe that you have such an adamant stance against police.
    What's wrong? Please point out where I need to concede.

    It is beyond obvious that millions have been helped and not abused by police. I am not claiming otherwise. The vast majority of parents don't abuse their kids, does that mean we should ignore the ones who do? The vast majority of people don't rape anyone, does that make it a non-issue?

    I guess I have misread my take on your cyber profile.
    I just don't see you as being this guy to advocate police abuse issues.
    I really don't see you saying and acting like this to your real life friends/associates.
    I now hold the record for most slashes in a post on the AMT!
    cue hedo
    Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on
  • i_lov_it
    i_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    i_lov_it said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    i_lov_it said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    i_lov_it said:

    Yeah it is hard to watch and the footage and a bit dsgusting at first then when you really think about it what the guy was doing I mean really what did he expect and the Cop did what he had to do and atleast people lived so problem dissolved there.

    I respect this post.

    I respect it because initially I got the impression you felt differently. Now it seems upon further reflection, you have come to another point of view- it's not signalling that you have abandoned your value system.

    Many here- including myself at times- become very rigid in our positions. This is not an ideal quality. Changing your point of view after discussion demonstrates much.
    Yeah of course I see where your coming from but my point of view has not changed and I'm sorry you ***FEEL*** that way...So upon further "Reflection" of this incident I was CLEARLY just extending on what I said.
    Maybe read those two posts of yours and note the differences within them. You might then be able to understand how a reader could think you had changed your perspective.

    This post is weird given the pm you sent me.
    Just simply Thanking you for your honesty mate no "Dramas"...and that's right is your avatar pic Pike Place?
    Pike Place... correct!

    It's the Eddie Vedder solo show poster when he performed at the Benaroyal Hall.

    * With regards to the other stuff... all is good (I hope).
    Hey excellent I've been to Pike Place as well...yep all good Mate.
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    http://www.live5news.com/story/28931107/mother-19-year-old-shot-4-times-by-deputies-during-welfare-check?clienttype=generic

    I'm not sure how this is going to pan out, but I doubt there will be riots.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Is there a police brutality issue in America?
    Is there a problem with the system of investigating and punishing police malfeasance?
    This very good article seems to indicate a yea to both questions. http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2015/04/11/thousands-dead-few-prosecuted/
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    "Such testimony carries almost unequalled weight with judges and juries because police officers are considered highly credible eyewitnesses as well as experts in the proper use of force, according to prosecutors and defense attorneys. Moreover, because officers so rarely cross the “thin blue line” to testify against a colleague, their evidence can be especially powerful."

    This paragraph says a lot.

  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Last-12-Exit said:

    "Such testimony carries almost unequalled weight with judges and juries because police officers are considered highly credible eyewitnesses as well as experts in the proper use of force, according to prosecutors and defense attorneys. Moreover, because officers so rarely cross the “thin blue line” to testify against a colleague, their evidence can be especially powerful."

    This paragraph says a lot.

    It really does. It speaks volumes about that culture of protecting each other to the point of breaching the boundaries of the law and moral standards that I speak of often.
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    I suppose those of you who think the cops are trigger happy should think about this.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/04/us/new-york-police-officer-shot-dies/index.html
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,604
    Last-12-Exit said:

    I suppose those of you who think the cops are trigger happy should think about this.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/04/us/new-york-police-officer-shot-dies/index.html

    Yeah that sucks young kid 25 killed in the line of duty , but this has nothing to do with the other cases in the news No one here is advocating for police to be gunned down I respect all that 1st responders stand for ...
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    josevolution said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    I suppose those of you who think the cops are trigger happy should think about this.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/04/us/new-york-police-officer-shot-dies/index.html

    Yeah that sucks young kid 25 killed in the line of duty , but this has nothing to do with the other cases in the news No one here is advocating for police to be gunned down I respect all that 1st responders stand for ...
    When many spend much of their time trying to demonize police (whether knowingly or not)... this story does have it's place in a thread like this.

    In my opinion anyways.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Last-12-Exit said:

    I suppose those of you who think the cops are trigger happy should think about this.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/04/us/new-york-police-officer-shot-dies/index.html

    So young, what a tragedy! It's a shame there are folks out there cold enough to do something like this.
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