Thanks for posting PJHawks.That article is on the money and has mirrored my whole stance on the BLM movement.I couldn't be in more agreement.
That community needs to look deep in the mirror and start to fix from within.First and foremost.
This is what Dan- o has been saying for months here,but he gets called a racist and a dirty cop.Its not rascist if you look at the numbers and data and try to find solutions based on fact not emotion over media sensationalized hyperbole.Time for a little less PC and more common sense
It's not Black on Black crime. It's poor and uneducated crime against poor and uneducated.
Shit schools, discrimination, loss of manufacturing jobs, etc etc.
We are all products of our environment. We aren't special. Just lucky.
Thanks for posting PJHawks.That article is on the money and has mirrored my whole stance on the BLM movement.I couldn't be in more agreement.
That community needs to look deep in the mirror and start to fix from within.First and foremost.
This is what Dan- o has been saying for months here,but he gets called a racist and a dirty cop.Its not rascist if you look at the numbers and data and try to find solutions based on fact not emotion over media sensationalized hyperbole.Time for a little less PC and more common sense
It's not Black on Black crime. It's poor and uneducated crime against poor and uneducated.
Shit schools, discrimination, loss of manufacturing jobs, etc etc.
We are all products of our environment. We aren't special. Just lucky.
that's too easy of an excuse and not fair to the people who do grow up poor and uneducated who aren't criminals and achieve to change their environment for the good of themselves and their families. the stats are the stats.
Thanks for posting PJHawks.That article is on the money and has mirrored my whole stance on the BLM movement.I couldn't be in more agreement.
That community needs to look deep in the mirror and start to fix from within.First and foremost.
This is what Dan- o has been saying for months here,but he gets called a racist and a dirty cop.Its not rascist if you look at the numbers and data and try to find solutions based on fact not emotion over media sensationalized hyperbole.Time for a little less PC and more common sense
It's not Black on Black crime. It's poor and uneducated crime against poor and uneducated.
Shit schools, discrimination, loss of manufacturing jobs, etc etc.
We are all products of our environment. We aren't special. Just lucky.
that's too easy of an excuse and not fair to the people who do grow up poor and uneducated who aren't criminals and achieve to change their environment for the good of themselves and their families. the stats are the stats.
It's not an excuse. Think it's a coincidence that humans growing up in affluent areas do better than those who grow up in the projects? I say your position is an excuse to hate AND elevate yourself to a position of being better when you had nothing to do with your success or lack of.
Thanks for posting PJHawks.That article is on the money and has mirrored my whole stance on the BLM movement.I couldn't be in more agreement.
That community needs to look deep in the mirror and start to fix from within.First and foremost.
This is what Dan- o has been saying for months here,but he gets called a racist and a dirty cop.Its not rascist if you look at the numbers and data and try to find solutions based on fact not emotion over media sensationalized hyperbole.Time for a little less PC and more common sense
It's not Black on Black crime. It's poor and uneducated crime against poor and uneducated.
Shit schools, discrimination, loss of manufacturing jobs, etc etc.
We are all products of our environment. We aren't special. Just lucky.
that's too easy of an excuse and not fair to the people who do grow up poor and uneducated who aren't criminals and achieve to change their environment for the good of themselves and their families. the stats are the stats.
It's not an excuse. Think it's a coincidence that humans growing up in affluent areas do better than those who grow up in the projects? I say your position is an excuse to hate AND elevate yourself to a position of being better when you had nothing to do with your success or lack of.
how is providing an article and said stats considered hate? it's this type of rhetoric why the problem can't be discussed rationally. you don't know me at all and yet you've labeled me as a 'hater' because i posted an article with actual verified crime statistics. as if telling the truth is somehow hateful..
do i think it is a coincidence that humans growing up in affluent areas do better? - no i do not BUT that doesn't mean that those in less affluent areas can't achieve. Having an attitude that those in those less affluent areas are destined to fail helps perpetuate the myth of helplessness. many in those same situations have achieved albeit under much harder circumstances than many others.
Think it's a cop out to say "hey if they just tried harder", Then feel free to bash the folks that have shit environment. Realize it makes one feel all warm and fuzzy but it's shit. The whole black on black crime rant is racism. We're all humans. We are all products of our environment.
Think it's a cop out to say "hey if they just tried harder", Then feel free to bash the folks that have shit environment. Realize it makes one feel all warm and fuzzy but it's shit. The whole black on black crime rant is racism. We're all humans. We are all products of our environment.
you really don't have to work very hard NOT to murder someone or commit a violent crime. not everyone in 'shit environments' as you label them does those things. We are all humans...some of us just treat other humans better than others.
Think it's a cop out to say "hey if they just tried harder", Then feel free to bash the folks that have shit environment. Realize it makes one feel all warm and fuzzy but it's shit. The whole black on black crime rant is racism. We're all humans. We are all products of our environment.
you really don't have to work very hard NOT to murder someone or commit a violent crime. not everyone in 'shit environments' as you label them does those things. We are all humans...some of us just treat other humans better than others.
The haves have not a fkn clue.
You aren't special. If you were born in that environment you would react the same.
Think it's a cop out to say "hey if they just tried harder", Then feel free to bash the folks that have shit environment. Realize it makes one feel all warm and fuzzy but it's shit. The whole black on black crime rant is racism. We're all humans. We are all products of our environment.
you really don't have to work very hard NOT to murder someone or commit a violent crime. not everyone in 'shit environments' as you label them does those things. We are all humans...some of us just treat other humans better than others.
The haves have not a fkn clue.
You aren't special. If you were born in that environment you would react the same.
they how do you explain those born in that environment that don't act the same? please enlighten us.
Think it's a cop out to say "hey if they just tried harder", Then feel free to bash the folks that have shit environment. Realize it makes one feel all warm and fuzzy but it's shit. The whole black on black crime rant is racism. We're all humans. We are all products of our environment.
you really don't have to work very hard NOT to murder someone or commit a violent crime. not everyone in 'shit environments' as you label them does those things. We are all humans...some of us just treat other humans better than others.
The haves have not a fkn clue.
You aren't special. If you were born in that environment you would react the same.
they how do you explain those born in that environment that don't act the same? please enlighten us.
and I am special.
Different experiences different results. Even within a subgroup. But overall when you start as a baby in poor projects with no jobs and shitty schools you create what you get.
No you aren't special in any way. One in how many billion? Your parents lied. Your teachers lied. Your just very lucky.
Now when one looks down on a group of people that started life with a shit sand which that makes one cruel. (Changed to "one" not "you" as I don't want to label, being better).
RR, we had very similar lives. Same generation, race, suburban lives with decent support systems. We were so lucky.
How do we make things better? Labeling and pointing fingers just makes it worse.
Think it's a cop out to say "hey if they just tried harder", Then feel free to bash the folks that have shit environment. Realize it makes one feel all warm and fuzzy but it's shit. The whole black on black crime rant is racism. We're all humans. We are all products of our environment.
you really don't have to work very hard NOT to murder someone or commit a violent crime. not everyone in 'shit environments' as you label them does those things. We are all humans...some of us just treat other humans better than others.
The haves have not a fkn clue.
You aren't special. If you were born in that environment you would react the same.
they how do you explain those born in that environment that don't act the same? please enlighten us.
and I am special.
Different experiences different results. Even within a subgroup. But overall when you start as a baby in poor projects with no jobs and shitty schools you create what you get.
I agree somewhat on the "product of your environment" but at the same time, why is personal responsibility never talked about? Why is there never any discussion about all the deadbeat dads and women who have a bunch of kids with different fathers?? (and I'm not only talking about black communities....this happens in plenty of shitty white communities as well)
When you grow up in a situation with no focus on education and family, things probably aren't going to end up very well for you. Maybe if these kids actually went to school and got the right message at home, these schools wouldn't be so shitty. But hey, let's just keep blaming the system and not hold anyone accountable for their actions.
And yes, go ahead and tell me how lucky I am that I grew up in the suburbs with parents who actually gave a shit.
Think it's a cop out to say "hey if they just tried harder", Then feel free to bash the folks that have shit environment. Realize it makes one feel all warm and fuzzy but it's shit. The whole black on black crime rant is racism. We're all humans. We are all products of our environment.
you really don't have to work very hard NOT to murder someone or commit a violent crime. not everyone in 'shit environments' as you label them does those things. We are all humans...some of us just treat other humans better than others.
The haves have not a fkn clue.
You aren't special. If you were born in that environment you would react the same.
they how do you explain those born in that environment that don't act the same? please enlighten us.
and I am special.
Different experiences different results. Even within a subgroup. But overall when you start as a baby in poor projects with no jobs and shitty schools you create what you get.
I agree somewhat on the "product of your environment" but at the same time, why is personal responsibility never talked about? Why is there never any discussion about all the deadbeat dads and women who have a bunch of kids with different fathers?? (and I'm not only talking about black communities....this happens in plenty of shitty white communities as well)
When you grow up in a situation with no focus on education and family, things probably aren't going to end up very well for you. Maybe if these kids actually went to school and got the right message at home, these schools wouldn't be so shitty. But hey, let's just keep blaming the system and not hold anyone accountable for their actions.
And yes, go ahead and tell me how lucky I am that I grew up in the suburbs with parents who actually gave a shit.
Since when is that not talked about???? Tune in to any media with even a touch of conservative lean and you will hear it allllllllllll day long.
Think it's a cop out to say "hey if they just tried harder", Then feel free to bash the folks that have shit environment. Realize it makes one feel all warm and fuzzy but it's shit. The whole black on black crime rant is racism. We're all humans. We are all products of our environment.
you really don't have to work very hard NOT to murder someone or commit a violent crime. not everyone in 'shit environments' as you label them does those things. We are all humans...some of us just treat other humans better than others.
The haves have not a fkn clue.
You aren't special. If you were born in that environment you would react the same.
they how do you explain those born in that environment that don't act the same? please enlighten us.
and I am special.
Different experiences different results. Even within a subgroup. But overall when you start as a baby in poor projects with no jobs and shitty schools you create what you get.
I agree somewhat on the "product of your environment" but at the same time, why is personal responsibility never talked about? Why is there never any discussion about all the deadbeat dads and women who have a bunch of kids with different fathers?? (and I'm not only talking about black communities....this happens in plenty of shitty white communities as well)
When you grow up in a situation with no focus on education and family, things probably aren't going to end up very well for you. Maybe if these kids actually went to school and got the right message at home, these schools wouldn't be so shitty. But hey, let's just keep blaming the system and not hold anyone accountable for their actions.
And yes, go ahead and tell me how lucky I am that I grew up in the suburbs with parents who actually gave a shit.
Since when is that not talked about???? Tune in to any media with even a touch of conservative lean and you will hear it allllllllllll day long.
True. And everyone calls them racist for talking about it. I guess my question should have been why is it not OK to talk about it?
Cal,all based on the numbers in the Philly paper story.
To be honest didn't even read it. The whole black on black crime and they need to take care if their own before talking of others just reeks to me.
Peace.
wait so you are ripping on me for posting the article with stats and you didn't even read it? come on man. that's weak
So what message did you receive from article?
that black on black crime is a huge problem that is not being adequately addressed. it's not about talking points and slogans but about facts
Again it's not black on black crime it's poor uneducated humans born into a shit life crime against poor uneducated humans born into a shit life.
The term "black on black crime" is used by humans that have need to feel superior. But they aren't, just lucky mofo's.
And why don't we discuss solutions? How do make this situation better?
Education, jobs, hope. None of this exists for many.
Things are tough so I'm going to kill someone?
Is this ultimately what you are saying?
Not saying that at all.
We are all products of our environment. It's not a race thing. Affluent blacks living in nice areas if the country don't have kids that do crime as thise in poor projects. So I'm dying blaming it on race is wrong and incorrect. Hence my strong opposition of comments made after story was presented and those got in the black on black crime chant.
Cal,all based on the numbers in the Philly paper story.
To be honest didn't even read it. The whole black on black crime and they need to take care if their own before talking of others just reeks to me.
Peace.
wait so you are ripping on me for posting the article with stats and you didn't even read it? come on man. that's weak
So what message did you receive from article?
that black on black crime is a huge problem that is not being adequately addressed. it's not about talking points and slogans but about facts
Again it's not black on black crime it's poor uneducated humans born into a shit life crime against poor uneducated humans born into a shit life.
The term "black on black crime" is used by humans that have need to feel superior. But they aren't, just lucky mofo's.
And why don't we discuss solutions? How do make this situation better?
Education, jobs, hope. None of this exists for many.
Things are tough so I'm going to kill someone?
Is this ultimately what you are saying?
Not saying that at all.
We are all products of our environment. It's not a race thing. Affluent blacks living in nice areas if the country don't have kids that do crime as thise in poor projects. So I'm dying blaming it on race is wrong and incorrect. Hence my strong opposition of comments made after story was presented and those got in the black on black crime chant.
i don't think anyone is disagreeing on the cause...but when you put down on a file the race of the victim and the race of the perpratraitor the numbers ultimately fall at much greater proportions to both being black. those are facts that are indisputable.
Cal,all based on the numbers in the Philly paper story.
To be honest didn't even read it. The whole black on black crime and they need to take care if their own before talking of others just reeks to me.
Peace.
wait so you are ripping on me for posting the article with stats and you didn't even read it? come on man. that's weak
So what message did you receive from article?
that black on black crime is a huge problem that is not being adequately addressed. it's not about talking points and slogans but about facts
Again it's not black on black crime it's poor uneducated humans born into a shit life crime against poor uneducated humans born into a shit life.
The term "black on black crime" is used by humans that have need to feel superior. But they aren't, just lucky mofo's.
And why don't we discuss solutions? How do make this situation better?
Education, jobs, hope. None of this exists for many.
Things are tough so I'm going to kill someone?
Is this ultimately what you are saying?
Not saying that at all.
We are all products of our environment. It's not a race thing. Affluent blacks living in nice areas if the country don't have kids that do crime as thise in poor projects. So I'm dying blaming it on race is wrong and incorrect. Hence my strong opposition of comments made after story was presented and those got in the black on black crime chant.
i don't think anyone is disagreeing on the cause...but when you put down on a file the race of the victim and the race of the perpratraitor the numbers ultimately fall at much greater proportions to both being black. those are facts that are indisputable.
What are the facts around the percentage of the population living in poverty, broken down by black, white, asian, hispanic, etc? Those facts are necessary before making any further assumptions, as without them you may well be looking at simple confounders rather than any causative link.
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Shit schools, discrimination, loss of manufacturing jobs, etc etc.
We are all products of our environment. We aren't special. Just lucky.
do i think it is a coincidence that humans growing up in affluent areas do better? - no i do not BUT that doesn't mean that those in less affluent areas can't achieve. Having an attitude that those in those less affluent areas are destined to fail helps perpetuate the myth of helplessness. many in those same situations have achieved albeit under much harder circumstances than many others.
You aren't special. If you were born in that environment you would react the same.
and I am special.
No you aren't special in any way. One in how many billion? Your parents lied. Your teachers lied. Your just very lucky.
Now when one looks down on a group of people that started life with a shit sand which that makes one cruel.
(Changed to "one" not "you" as I don't want to label, being better).
RR, we had very similar lives. Same generation, race, suburban lives with decent support systems. We were so lucky.
How do we make things better? Labeling and pointing fingers just makes it worse.
Peace.
When you grow up in a situation with no focus on education and family, things probably aren't going to end up very well for you. Maybe if these kids actually went to school and got the right message at home, these schools wouldn't be so shitty. But hey, let's just keep blaming the system and not hold anyone accountable for their actions.
And yes, go ahead and tell me how lucky I am that I grew up in the suburbs with parents who actually gave a shit.
Hell the phrase "personal responsibility" is the same BS.
Our discussions are viable, without article. My comments directed at post article comments.
Okay gonna read the damn article.
The term "black on black crime" is used by humans that have need to feel superior. But they aren't, just lucky mofo's.
And why don't we discuss solutions? How do make this situation better?
Education, jobs, hope. None of this exists for many.
Is this ultimately what you are saying?
We are all products of our environment. It's not a race thing. Affluent blacks living in nice areas if the country don't have kids that do crime as thise in poor projects. So I'm dying blaming it on race is wrong and incorrect. Hence my strong opposition of comments made after story was presented and those got in the black on black crime chant.