Police abuse

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Watch your video. He never threw his shoulder. He never moved out of the way is what he did and he was there first. He shouldn't have been forced to move because skater boy was blitzing through.

When you post shit videos like this it reveals your inherent bias.

brianlux

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Watch your video. He never threw his shoulder. He never moved out of the way is what he did and he was there first. He shouldn't have been forced to move because skater boy was blitzing through.

When you post shit videos like this it reveals your inherent bias.

Why do you say that, Thirty?  If you look closely, the cop does move toward the skater, sending him flying and the the caption does say "Police officer attacked" which is incorrect.  Not saying the skater wasn't being foolish, but what unsung said I don't think warrants a "You're full of shit". (Actually, I'm not sure we're supposed to say that to another forum member anyway but I'm not the thread cop.)

JC29856

I'll settle this, the officer did slightly move into the skateboarder. Not the conduct we should expect.
If you look at the slow motion you can see the officer brace himself by pulling his hands down and elbows in while leaning into the skater.

brianlux

JC29856 said:

I'll settle this, the officer did slightly move into the skateboarder. Not the conduct we should expect. 

Exactly. 

JC29856

not sure how fast skaterboi was going but that is pretty dangerous "oops I didn't mean to clip you" move. head first into patrol car or awkward landing and bye bye skaterboi.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

JC29856 said:

I'll settle this, the officer did slightly move into the skateboarder. Not the conduct we should expect.
If you look at the slow motion you can see the officer brace himself by pulling his hands down and elbows in while leaning into the skater.

Yes.

He braced for impact.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

brianlux said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Watch your video. He never threw his shoulder. He never moved out of the way is what he did and he was there first. He shouldn't have been forced to move because skater boy was blitzing through.

When you post shit videos like this it reveals your inherent bias.

Why do you say that, Thirty?  If you look closely, the cop does move toward the skater, sending him flying and the the caption does say "Police officer attacked" which is incorrect.  Not saying the skater wasn't being foolish, but what unsung said I don't think warrants a "You're full of shit". (Actually, I'm not sure we're supposed to say that to another forum member anyway but I'm not the thread cop.)

I looked closely. I watched the video several times which repeatedly showed the moment of impact.

At first, I couldn't even see what happened. It took several watches to note what is obvious: the skater foolishly and brazenly flew through the scene where he had no business being. Then... the impact occurred.

You guys are saying the cop should have gotten out of the idiot's way. I'm saying he was in his spot first, the skater should not have been wheeling through there anyways. The cop didn't 'have' to move. The responsibility was with the skater to avoid the collision.

While we are scouring the internet to splash videos of horrible cops... let's not 'reach' for interactions and all eagerly agree enthusiastically when times are slow.

And don't start playing dad, Brian. Unsung is a big boy. He's likely not weeping over his keyboard right now.

JC29856

sees it coming for at least 3 seconds...

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/Tm6qfPa

brianlux

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

brianlux said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Watch your video. He never threw his shoulder. He never moved out of the way is what he did and he was there first. He shouldn't have been forced to move because skater boy was blitzing through.

When you post shit videos like this it reveals your inherent bias.

Why do you say that, Thirty?  If you look closely, the cop does move toward the skater, sending him flying and the the caption does say "Police officer attacked" which is incorrect.  Not saying the skater wasn't being foolish, but what unsung said I don't think warrants a "You're full of shit". (Actually, I'm not sure we're supposed to say that to another forum member anyway but I'm not the thread cop.)

I looked closely. I watched the video several times which repeatedly showed the moment of impact.

At first, I couldn't even see what happened. It took several watches to note what is obvious: the skater foolishly and brazenly flew through the scene where he had no business being. Then... the impact occurred.

You guys are saying the cop should have gotten out of the idiot's way. I'm saying he was in his spot first, the skater should not have been wheeling through there anyways. The cop didn't 'have' to move. The responsibility was with the skater to avoid the collision.

While we are scouring the internet to splash videos of horrible cops... let's not 'reach' for interactions and all eagerly agree enthusiastically when times are slow.

And don't start playing dad, Brian. Unsung is a big boy. He's likely not weeping over his keyboard right now.

Ok, no dadism.  Not even dadaism!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

JC29856 said:

sees it coming for at least 3 seconds...

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/Tm6qfPa

Yup. Confirms everything. 

The skater wheeled through the scene on a collision course with an officer that was doing police work. It was his responsibility to avoid the officer... not the officer's responsibility to leap out of the way.

The cop never moved and you expected him to. Or... the cop should have went limp and not steadied himself for the impact sonthe skater could successfully whiz through and maybe get some rad cheers. Got it.

I think differently. I think the punk shouldn't have been whizzing through the scene trying somewhat to intimidate the cop with his fly by antic. I think given the fact he did make the decision to be the anti-establishment hero of the hour... at a very minimum he should have taken a wider path around the cop.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

brianlux said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

brianlux said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

You're full of shit.

Watch your video. He never threw his shoulder. He never moved out of the way is what he did and he was there first. He shouldn't have been forced to move because skater boy was blitzing through.

When you post shit videos like this it reveals your inherent bias.

Why do you say that, Thirty?  If you look closely, the cop does move toward the skater, sending him flying and the the caption does say "Police officer attacked" which is incorrect.  Not saying the skater wasn't being foolish, but what unsung said I don't think warrants a "You're full of shit". (Actually, I'm not sure we're supposed to say that to another forum member anyway but I'm not the thread cop.)

I looked closely. I watched the video several times which repeatedly showed the moment of impact.

At first, I couldn't even see what happened. It took several watches to note what is obvious: the skater foolishly and brazenly flew through the scene where he had no business being. Then... the impact occurred.

You guys are saying the cop should have gotten out of the idiot's way. I'm saying he was in his spot first, the skater should not have been wheeling through there anyways. The cop didn't 'have' to move. The responsibility was with the skater to avoid the collision.

While we are scouring the internet to splash videos of horrible cops... let's not 'reach' for interactions and all eagerly agree enthusiastically when times are slow.

And don't start playing dad, Brian. Unsung is a big boy. He's likely not weeping over his keyboard right now.

Ok, no dadism.  Not even dadaism!

I think you've just invented a new term!

unsung

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Watch your video. He never threw his shoulder. He never moved out of the way is what he did and he was there first. He shouldn't have been forced to move because skater boy was blitzing through.

When you post shit videos like this it reveals your inherent bias.

Yeah, you're right.  He braced himself by leaning into it.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Watch your video. He never threw his shoulder. He never moved out of the way is what he did and he was there first. He shouldn't have been forced to move because skater boy was blitzing through.

When you post shit videos like this it reveals your inherent bias.

Yeah, you're right.  He braced himself by leaning into it.

How would you brace yourself? Get back on your heels? Maybe you wouldn't have needed to... you likely would have pulled back your trench coat, revealed your 44 magnum, and tapped your fingers on it. Then skater punk boy would have stopped in his tracks, tucked his tail between his legs, and ran off yelping.

OnWis97

It's not the best video to make a definitive call off of, but I tend to think the cop had the choice to step out of the way and instead gave him a little shoulder or forearm.  And whatever the extent that it was wrong for the skateboarder to be doing that at that time, I can't defend the cop's decision.  Sometimes it seems like they are looking for an excuse... 

CM189191

OnWis97 said:

It's not the best video to make a definitive call off of, but I tend to think the cop had the choice to step out of the way and instead gave him a little shoulder or forearm.  And whatever the extent that it was wrong for the skateboarder to be doing that at that time, I can't defend the cop's decision.  Sometimes it seems like they are looking for an excuse... 

once again, cop had an opportunity to deescalate a situation and decided to do the opposite

I was a bouncer at a shiatty bar in college and the first thing they taught us was how to deescalate a situation

this is basic stuff..... can't understand why it isn't an essential part of their training

brianlux

CM189191 said:

OnWis97 said:

It's not the best video to make a definitive call off of, but I tend to think the cop had the choice to step out of the way and instead gave him a little shoulder or forearm.  And whatever the extent that it was wrong for the skateboarder to be doing that at that time, I can't defend the cop's decision.  Sometimes it seems like they are looking for an excuse... 

once again, cop had an opportunity to deescalate a situation and decided to do the opposite

I was a bouncer at a shiatty bar in college and the first thing they taught us was how to deescalate a situation

this is basic stuff..... can't understand why it isn't an essential part of their training

"shiatty"  Another invented term besides my "dadism".

We're on a roll!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

OnWis97 said:

It's not the best video to make a definitive call off of, but I tend to think the cop had the choice to step out of the way and instead gave him a little shoulder or forearm.  And whatever the extent that it was wrong for the skateboarder to be doing that at that time, I can't defend the cop's decision.  Sometimes it seems like they are looking for an excuse... 

This is fair.

The cop could have gotten out of the way. I agree with this. He chose not to and I don't necessarily disagree with his choice. The reason I don't necessarily disagree with his choice is that ultimately, the skater was responsible for moving off the collision course. Clearly, the skateboarder was looking for some type of interaction with the police unless he's just a plain idiot. His plan was to brush by the officer and really demonstrate something. The cop never played his game and it seems people do not like the fact that he never played along.

HesCalledDyer

What I see is the cop walking to his right then stopping in the path of the skater when he sees him.

oftenreading

The essence of the argument that the cop was in the right because he didn't have to move even though he could have is the same as "......but he started it!"  Police should be better than that. Many are. Those that let their egos get in the way cause problems that didn't need to happen. 

OnWis97

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

OnWis97 said:

It's not the best video to make a definitive call off of, but I tend to think the cop had the choice to step out of the way and instead gave him a little shoulder or forearm.  And whatever the extent that it was wrong for the skateboarder to be doing that at that time, I can't defend the cop's decision.  Sometimes it seems like they are looking for an excuse... 

This is fair.

The cop could have gotten out of the way. I agree with this. He chose not to and I don't necessarily disagree with his choice. The reason I don't necessarily disagree with his choice is that ultimately, the skater was responsible for moving off the collision course. Clearly, the skateboarder was looking for some type of interaction with the police unless he's just a plain idiot. His plan was to brush by the officer and really demonstrate something. The cop never played his game and it seems people do not like the fact that he never played along.

I recently damn near got hit by a bicyclist on a sidewalk.  I stepped out from (from his point of view) around the corner of a building and wizzzzz.  It was his job to get out of the way.  In fact, it was his job not be be riding 10-15 MPH on a damn sidewalk.  I stepped back because I could.  The cop coulda too.  The difference, of course, was that unlike the cop, I would have been the one to be injured, so clinging to my "right-of-way" would have been plain stupid. (Actually...the truth is he whizzed by me probably a split second before we could have made contact...I probably could have kicked him and injured him badly if I'd been really quick to react...that would be analogous to what the cop did.)

Or put another way, when some un-alert pedestrian crosses a street and interrupts my right-of-way, I choose not to hit them, even if they are in the wrong.