Didn't read through the comments, but my opinion is yeah, he is not the greatest President, but Congress has been fucking terrible and they and him are not working together. I am just glad he had Osama killed (I know he didn't do it personally, but he gave the order) and he pulled most troops out of Iraq and ended a stupid war that was a waste of American lives.
Right about congress. - Obama had Usama executed, a trial, that would of been something.
and what 'war' did Obama end? Pulling troops out, then replacing many of them with black water type groups, now sending more US troops back cause things are going crazy in Iraq.
The war is not over, its just on another level, a new front perhaps.
Didn't read through the comments, but my opinion is yeah, he is not the greatest President, but Congress has been fucking terrible and they and him are not working together. I am just glad he had Osama killed (I know he didn't do it personally, but he gave the order) and he pulled most troops out of Iraq and ended a stupid war that was a waste of American lives.
Right about congress. - Obama had Usama executed, a trial, that would of been something.
and what 'war' did Obama end? Pulling troops out, then replacing many of them with black water type groups, now sending more US troops back cause things are going crazy in Iraq.
The war is not over, its just on another level, a new front perhaps.
the hunt for bin laden started long before obama got in,he had to o.k the hit on him or he would have been labeled a trater......come to think of it he has been anyway.
Some of the posts are just baffling. I mean I remember how much I thought Bush was an idiot and can see how some feel same way about Obama but to clearly distort reality to fit ones agenda and needs just blows me away.
Perhaps...But regardless, we should have some standards, follow some law, not just go around invading countries, bombing people, supporting crazy folks, executions.
Perhaps...But regardless, we should have some standards, follow some law, not just go around invading countries, bombing people, supporting crazy folks, executions.
These things matter, it all matters.
You are lumping quite a few other things in with the execution of Osama bin Laden.
Perhaps...But regardless, we should have some standards, follow some law, not just go around invading countries, bombing people, supporting crazy folks, executions.
These things matter, it all matters.
You are lumping quite a few other things in with the execution of Osama bin Laden.
There aren't enough options in this poll. Obama has done some very good things, some very bad things, and some things that are pretty okay to so-so.
Obama is a LOT better than Bush was though.
Give examples of what you think. Obama's done that's been bad?
No not you GF or Unsung you both have blurred realities on Obama.
IMHO, the worst things that Obama has done is defend the NSA and support a witch hunt of NSA whistle blowers, and to continue support of Israel. Also allowing the increase of the use of drones, both overseas and domestically.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
There aren't enough options in this poll. Obama has done some very good things, some very bad things, and some things that are pretty okay to so-so.
Obama is a LOT better than Bush was though.
Give examples of what you think. Obama's done that's been bad?
No not you GF or Unsung you both have blurred realities on Obama.
IMHO, the worst things that Obama has done is defend the NSA and support a witch hunt of NSA whistle blowers, and to continue support of Israel. Also allowing the increase of the use of drones, both overseas and domestically.
Mass data collection,spying, dropping bombs on people. Those are really bad things,
There aren't enough options in this poll. Obama has done some very good things, some very bad things, and some things that are pretty okay to so-so.
Obama is a LOT better than Bush was though.
Give examples of what you think. Obama's done that's been bad?
No not you GF or Unsung you both have blurred realities on Obama.
IMHO, the worst things that Obama has done is defend the NSA and support a witch hunt of NSA whistle blowers, and to continue support of Israel. Also allowing the increase of the use of drones, both overseas and domestically.
Mass data collection,spying, dropping bombs on people. Those are really bad things,
Still not sure how he is a LOT better than Bush.
Because Bush did all of those thing plus a bunch of other very terrible things the Obama doesn't do (hello, Iraq war! Hello religion running the white house! Hello being against gay rights and the right of women to choose, not to mention that he's a fucking moron and complete joke to pretty much everyone in the world), and oversaw the near total collapse of the US economy, while Obama has overseen a fairly extraordinary economic recovery considering where he had to start. I also happen to support Obamacare as a good first step in making the US Healthcare system a humane one.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
There aren't enough options in this poll. Obama has done some very good things, some very bad things, and some things that are pretty okay to so-so.
Obama is a LOT better than Bush was though.
Give examples of what you think. Obama's done that's been bad?
No not you GF or Unsung you both have blurred realities on Obama.
IMHO, the worst things that Obama has done is defend the NSA and support a witch hunt of NSA whistle blowers, and to continue support of Israel. Also allowing the increase of the use of drones, both overseas and domestically.
Mass data collection,spying, dropping bombs on people. Those are really bad things,
Still not sure how he is a LOT better than Bush.
Because Bush did all of those thing plus a bunch of other very terrible things the Obama doesn't do (hello, Iraq war! Hello religion running the white house! Hello being against gay rights and the right of women to choose, not to mention that he's a fucking moron and complete joke to pretty much everyone in the world), and oversaw the near total collapse of the US economy, while Obama has overseen a fairly extraordinary economic recovery considering where he had to start. I also happen to support Obamacare as a good first step in making the US Healthcare system a humane one.
Obama is responsible for other terrible things as well. So what difference does it make? The one child killer is no higher than the other.
Obama has expanded the U.S.Empire, invaded other nations, set up Military Command centers in other lands, The build up of AFRICOM, in 10 years you will see the seeds Obama has planted, you will see what they have grown into.
Even if Obama gave everyone in the US health care, still does not take away all the destruction he has caused/supported. Doing something good, and then doing a whole bunch of really bad things, sorry.
Obama is upholding the Status quo, I do not give him a pass. He is no better than Bush.
There aren't enough options in this poll. Obama has done some very good things, some very bad things, and some things that are pretty okay to so-so.
Obama is a LOT better than Bush was though.
Give examples of what you think. Obama's done that's been bad?
No not you GF or Unsung you both have blurred realities on Obama.
IMHO, the worst things that Obama has done is defend the NSA and support a witch hunt of NSA whistle blowers, and to continue support of Israel. Also allowing the increase of the use of drones, both overseas and domestically.
Mass data collection,spying, dropping bombs on people. Those are really bad things,
Still not sure how he is a LOT better than Bush.
Because Bush did all of those thing plus a bunch of other very terrible things the Obama doesn't do (hello, Iraq war! Hello religion running the white house! Hello being against gay rights and the right of women to choose, not to mention that he's a fucking moron and complete joke to pretty much everyone in the world), and oversaw the near total collapse of the US economy, while Obama has overseen a fairly extraordinary economic recovery considering where he had to start. I also happen to support Obamacare as a good first step in making the US Healthcare system a humane one.
Obama is responsible for other terrible things as well. So what difference does it make? The one child killer is no higher than the other.
Obama has expanded the U.S.Empire, invaded other nations, set up Military Command centers in other lands, The build up of AFRICOM, in 10 years you will see the seeds Obama has planted, you will see what they have grown into.
Even if Obama gave everyone in the US health care, still does not take away all the destruction he has caused/supported. Doing something good, and then doing a whole bunch of really bad things, sorry.
Obama is upholding the Status quo, I do not give him a pass. He is no better than Bush.
It's all relative. And relatively, Obama wins. That doesn't mean he gets a pass. It just means that he is better than Bush was based on my own values and expectations. That's hardly a compliment! But incompletely disagree that anything good a president does or stands for is wiped out by the bad.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
There aren't enough options in this poll. Obama has done some very good things, some very bad things, and some things that are pretty okay to so-so.
Obama is a LOT better than Bush was though.
Give examples of what you think. Obama's done that's been bad?
No not you GF or Unsung you both have blurred realities on Obama.
IMHO, the worst things that Obama has done is defend the NSA and support a witch hunt of NSA whistle blowers, and to continue support of Israel. Also allowing the increase of the use of drones, both overseas and domestically.
Mass data collection,spying, dropping bombs on people. Those are really bad things,
Still not sure how he is a LOT better than Bush.
Because Bush did all of those thing plus a bunch of other very terrible things the Obama doesn't do (hello, Iraq war! Hello religion running the white house! Hello being against gay rights and the right of women to choose, not to mention that he's a fucking moron and complete joke to pretty much everyone in the world), and oversaw the near total collapse of the US economy, while Obama has overseen a fairly extraordinary economic recovery considering where he had to start. I also happen to support Obamacare as a good first step in making the US Healthcare system a humane one.
Obama is responsible for other terrible things as well. So what difference does it make? The one child killer is no higher than the other.
Obama has expanded the U.S.Empire, invaded other nations, set up Military Command centers in other lands, The build up of AFRICOM, in 10 years you will see the seeds Obama has planted, you will see what they have grown into.
Even if Obama gave everyone in the US health care, still does not take away all the destruction he has caused/supported. Doing something good, and then doing a whole bunch of really bad things, sorry.
Obama is upholding the Status quo, I do not give him a pass. He is no better than Bush.
It's all relative. And relatively, Obama wins. That doesn't mean he gets a pass. It just means that he is better than Bush was based on my own values and expectations. That's hardly a compliment! But incompletely disagree that anything good a president does or stands for is wiped out by the bad.
If its all 'relative' then how can u declare that Obama has won? And really, what did he win? The lesser of an evil bastard then Bush award?
Some of the worst people in history have also done 'good' things.
and because he may of done some good, does not make him better than the others. Cause, ya, in this way its all relative, cause they all have done good things, but were rightfully judged by the bad they did.
We need to really educate ourselves on Obama, see where he has troops right now, see what governments and groups he is supporting, then come back and tell me because he supports gay rights and is smarter than bush, =he is a LOT 'better'.
and this, 'Obama supports womens 'right' to choose', all those women he has killed in drone strikes and via his supports of certain governments, did he give them a choice? Yes I get what 'womens right to choose' refers to, but its really just an interesting take on the phrase.
The only 'opinion' would be is if Obama is better or worse than Bush.
But even after knowing all these bad things Obama has done/is responsible for, to still give him credit and say that he is a LOT better than Bush...I dont know, it says quite a bit.
The only 'opinion' would be is if Obama is better or worse than Bush.
But even after knowing all these bad things Obama has done/is responsible for, to still give him credit and say that he is a LOT better than Bush...I dont know, it says quite a bit.
You really don't think that opinion has something to do with how people rate political leaders and particular issues?? :-/ Yes, IMO, when comparing all the bad things and good things about Bush and those about Obama, Obama definitely wins as being a better president overall than Bush.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Wait, I agree. Obama has been a better president overall than Bush.
Better at manipulation, and more effective in his expansion of the U.S. Empire.
So Yes, I do see him as a better president than Bush, and that also does not mean that I also don't see Obama as a bad president, a murdering bully expanding the empire into Africa, a place W. could hardly touch. A place that will yield many major conflicts, the seeds Obama has planted.
There aren't enough options in this poll. Obama has done some very good things, some very bad things, and some things that are pretty okay to so-so.
Obama is a LOT better than Bush was though.
Give examples of what you think. Obama's done that's been bad?
No not you GF or Unsung you both have blurred realities on Obama.
I guess that's better than having a blurred reality on reality.
Says the guy who thinks the bin laden hit was an act
You expect me to take them for their word? That's rich.
you seem to see boogeymen everywhere you look. Of course theres shady shit happening but getting all alex jones with it isnt intelligent or productive... IDRIS. You gotta be kidding... Yes Obama has done some shit but this idea that he has caused equal destruction is LAUGHABLE!! Bush started a 10 year ground war that cost as many trillions of dollars and ruined millions of lives, and he did it for profit. You seriously think that is equal to Obamas despicable drone wars..LAUGHABLE! Clearly you are not counting lives lost and dollars spent in your analysis.
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Obama had Usama executed, a trial, that would of been something.
and what 'war' did Obama end? Pulling troops out, then replacing many of them with black water type groups, now sending more US troops back cause things are going crazy in Iraq.
The war is not over, its just on another level, a new front perhaps.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Godfather.
Obama has done some very good things, some very bad things, and some things that are pretty okay to so-so.
Obama is a LOT better than Bush was though.
Freakin Fox News works. It's affective. No doubt.
No not you GF or Unsung you both have blurred realities on Obama.
These things matter, it all matters.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
They both have been/are responsible for the death of many innocent lives. They both are = garbage, is one piece of trash really higher than the other? Yes, its all related.
Still not sure how he is a LOT better than Bush.
I guess that's better than having a blurred reality on reality.
Obama has expanded the U.S.Empire, invaded other nations, set up Military Command centers in other lands, The build up of AFRICOM, in 10 years you will see the seeds Obama has planted, you will see what they have grown into.
Even if Obama gave everyone in the US health care, still does not take away all the destruction he has caused/supported. Doing something good, and then doing a whole bunch of really bad things, sorry.
Obama is upholding the Status quo, I do not give him a pass. He is no better than Bush.
But incompletely disagree that anything good a president does or stands for is wiped out by the bad.
Some of the worst people in history have also done 'good' things.
and because he may of done some good, does not make him better than the others. Cause, ya, in this way its all relative, cause they all have done good things, but were rightfully judged by the bad they did.
We need to really educate ourselves on Obama, see where he has troops right now, see what governments and groups he is supporting, then come back and tell me because he supports gay rights and is smarter than bush, =he is a LOT 'better'.
and this, 'Obama supports womens 'right' to choose', all those women he has killed in drone strikes and via his supports of certain governments, did he give them a choice? Yes I get what 'womens right to choose' refers to, but its really just an interesting take on the phrase.
But even after knowing all these bad things Obama has done/is responsible for, to still give him credit and say that he is a LOT better than Bush...I dont know, it says quite a bit.
Yes, IMO, when comparing all the bad things and good things about Bush and those about Obama, Obama definitely wins as being a better president overall than Bush.
Better at manipulation, and more effective in his expansion of the U.S. Empire.
So Yes, I do see him as a better president than Bush, and that also does not mean that I also don't see Obama as a bad president, a murdering bully expanding the empire into Africa, a place W. could hardly touch. A place that will yield many major conflicts, the seeds Obama has planted.
Godfather.
IDRIS. You gotta be kidding... Yes Obama has done some shit but this idea that he has caused equal destruction is LAUGHABLE!! Bush started a 10 year ground war that cost as many trillions of dollars and ruined millions of lives, and he did it for profit. You seriously think that is equal to Obamas despicable drone wars..LAUGHABLE! Clearly you are not counting lives lost and dollars spent in your analysis.