that being said, i do agree that he is upholding the status quo and does not get a pass... But this tough talk i hear about how both parties are equally bad is just out of touch. Yes the powers at the top know that dems (the supposed "softies" and repubs (the "hardliners") will do their bidding, i understand that the work together to screw us. But the tea party has taught us that if we let the hardliner mentality flourish we get it from the bottom up. We get local and state politicians who introduce insane rape bills, vote to succeed, try to bring back segregation, seek to eliminate birth control and all the other crazy things we see the Gohmert types trying to pull. There is no third option. Its a repub and a dem thats your choice...establishment candidates and thats all, campaign reform is going nowhere. Unsung i asked a while back if you considered revolution. You said something like "you act as if its never been done" Risk thousands or more lives to overturn and upset the richest, most comfortable society that has existed on this planet? I dont think so! Until humanity grows a heart or destroys itself we will always have to choose the lesser of evils.
"Bush started a 10 year ground war that cost as many trillions of dollars and ruined millions of lives, and he did it for profit. You seriously think that is equal to Obamas despicable drone wars..LAUGHABLE! Clearly you are not counting lives lost and dollars spent in your analysis" -
Bush killed 10 innocents, Obama killed 3.5, sorry.
One innocent person is too much. Well for me anyway, Just because Obama has technically slaughtered less people than Bush, does not mean he is less evil.
also many of the dems supported the patriot act and the Iraq war, so just because it was started by a Republican means nothing, many dems backed it, they are responsible for the blood as well, or have you already forgotten the history?
Wait, I agree. Obama has been a better president overall than Bush.
Better at manipulation, and more effective in his expansion of the U.S. Empire.
So Yes, I do see him as a better president than Bush, and that also does not mean that I also don't see Obama as a bad president, a murdering bully expanding the empire into Africa, a place W. could hardly touch. A place that will yield many major conflicts, the seeds Obama has planted.
Obama 10000 'a times better than W period. The world is a fucked up place. Humans suck ass and any person you choose will have to make some decisions that suck either way. It's reality.
The decisions Obama has made both for domestic and foreign affairs have been 1000 times better than Cheney presidency and that of what would be if McCain or Romney where in the White House.
To somehow think Obama is same as Bush is ludicrous.
Wait, I agree. Obama has been a better president overall than Bush.
Better at manipulation, and more effective in his expansion of the U.S. Empire.
So Yes, I do see him as a better president than Bush, and that also does not mean that I also don't see Obama as a bad president, a murdering bully expanding the empire into Africa, a place W. could hardly touch. A place that will yield many major conflicts, the seeds Obama has planted.
Obama 10000 'a times better than W period. The world is a fucked up place. Humans suck ass and any person you choose will have to make some decisions that suck either way. It's reality.
The decisions Obama has made both for domestic and foreign affairs have been 1000 times better than Cheney presidency and that of what would be if McCain or Romney where in the White House.
To somehow think Obama is same as Bush is ludicrous.
Obama's silence on what is happening in Gaza really says it all, shows where he stands. Shows who he is.
NSA spying, support of the Patriot Act to name a couple, and you say Obama has better domestic policy than Bush?
Continued blind support Of Israel and other corrupt governments around the world, Obama better?
The buildup of military bases/locations in Africa, you call that good policy? Expanding an empire is good policy?
Obama, is worse than Bush in some ways, after all that 'hope' and 'change' garbage, only to come in and keep things essentially the same, upholding the status quo.
Idris lets not for get the IRS scandel,the flooding of Ilegal immigrants into America......just so many to choose from. in my opinion Bush was a much better President although not a popular thing to say on the train it is still my opinion.
Wait, I agree. Obama has been a better president overall than Bush.
Better at manipulation, and more effective in his expansion of the U.S. Empire.
So Yes, I do see him as a better president than Bush, and that also does not mean that I also don't see Obama as a bad president, a murdering bully expanding the empire into Africa, a place W. could hardly touch. A place that will yield many major conflicts, the seeds Obama has planted.
Obama 10000 'a times better than W period. The world is a fucked up place. Humans suck ass and any person you choose will have to make some decisions that suck either way. It's reality.
The decisions Obama has made both for domestic and foreign affairs have been 1000 times better than Cheney presidency and that of what would be if McCain or Romney where in the White House.
To somehow think Obama is same as Bush is ludicrous.
Obama's silence on what is happening in Gaza really says it all, shows where he stands. Shows who he is.
1000 times better? Hardly.
Again read what I wrote about the world is fucked. How is it your pinning this on Obama when NO other president has ever been able to do squat? You can't blame Obama for everything. And yeah he's part of the machine no doubt but compared to getting us in two wars thousands of us soldiers killed and wounded and Billions of dollars pissed away saying he's worse or same as Bush is nuts with all due respect for Mr Unsung and GF. >:)
Idris lets not for get the IRS scandel,the flooding of Ilegal immigrants into America......just so many to choose from. in my opinion Bush was a much better President although not a popular thing to say on the train it is still my opinion.
Godfather.
In your opinion Bush was a better president that's fine then please tell why does this country have a current two term president in Obama?
If Bush was that much better, then why did this country stoop to your low level of electing this current president?
Am I being fair here?
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Idris lets not for get the IRS scandel,the flooding of Ilegal immigrants into America......just so many to choose from. in my opinion Bush was a much better President although not a popular thing to say on the train it is still my opinion.
Godfather.
In your opinion Bush was a better president that's fine then please tell why does this country have a current two term president in Obama?
If Bush was that much better, then why did this country stoop to your low level of electing this current president?
Am I being fair here?
Peace
fair enough my friend, to start with he sealed the black vote and the hippie vote (all the people that have waited for a black persident sence the 60's and early 70's) and I have to give dredit where credit is due...he is/was a great speaker with great promices and held himself well while running for election but unfortunatly that's all he has.. all one needs to do is look back from the start of his terms and count the blunders that he has created all the way up to today and he is not finished yet, but people on the train will keep blaming the republicans for blocking his good deeds..something every president has had to deal with but obama chose to break the law to make his actions work for him, the man is an imbaressment to our country.......as I said when he ran the first time "I have a bad feeling about this guy" and I still do.
Wait, I agree. Obama has been a better president overall than Bush.
Better at manipulation, and more effective in his expansion of the U.S. Empire.
So Yes, I do see him as a better president than Bush, and that also does not mean that I also don't see Obama as a bad president, a murdering bully expanding the empire into Africa, a place W. could hardly touch. A place that will yield many major conflicts, the seeds Obama has planted.
Obama 10000 'a times better than W period. The world is a fucked up place. Humans suck ass and any person you choose will have to make some decisions that suck either way. It's reality.
The decisions Obama has made both for domestic and foreign affairs have been 1000 times better than Cheney presidency and that of what would be if McCain or Romney where in the White House.
To somehow think Obama is same as Bush is ludicrous.
Obama's silence on what is happening in Gaza really says it all, shows where he stands. Shows who he is.
1000 times better? Hardly.
Again read what I wrote about the world is fucked. How is it your pinning this on Obama when NO other president has ever been able to do squat? You can't blame Obama for everything. And yeah he's part of the machine no doubt but compared to getting us in two wars thousands of us soldiers killed and wounded and Billions of dollars pissed away saying he's worse or same as Bush is nuts with all due respect for Mr Unsung and GF. >:)
As I said, he's like the others. No better, for sure not '1000' times better.
I blame Obama for screaming 'change' before being elected, then continuing with US Hegemony after he's elected.
Is Obama better? worse? Like that means much, they both are of the same ilk.
'Until humanity grows a heart or destroys itself we will always have to choose the lesser of evils'
rgambs, sorry but that is Not a choice, they give us two clowns and we call it choice, "guess I choose the lesser evil guy"
How unfortunate. You want change, stop supporting these people, dont be part of voting for people that are still 'evil'.
big talk but what exactly do you present as an alternative? "stop supporting these people" how does one do that? Not voting is just what they want from you, it allows them to present candidates that are less and less distinguishable. If you fail to choose between the lesser evils you will get the greater every time.
Perhaps...But regardless, we should have some standards, follow some law, not just go around invading countries, bombing people, supporting crazy folks, executions.
These things matter, it all matters.
This execution was justified.Im sorry it was so quick.
Idris lets not for get the IRS scandel,the flooding of Ilegal immigrants into America......just so many to choose from. in my opinion Bush was a much better President although not a popular thing to say on the train it is still my opinion.
Wait, I agree. Obama has been a better president overall than Bush.
Better at manipulation, and more effective in his expansion of the U.S. Empire.
So Yes, I do see him as a better president than Bush, and that also does not mean that I also don't see Obama as a bad president, a murdering bully expanding the empire into Africa, a place W. could hardly touch. A place that will yield many major conflicts, the seeds Obama has planted.
Obama 10000 'a times better than W period. The world is a fucked up place. Humans suck ass and any person you choose will have to make some decisions that suck either way. It's reality.
The decisions Obama has made both for domestic and foreign affairs have been 1000 times better than Cheney presidency and that of what would be if McCain or Romney where in the White House.
To somehow think Obama is same as Bush is ludicrous.
Obama's silence on what is happening in Gaza really says it all, shows where he stands. Shows who he is.
1000 times better? Hardly.
Every president from JFK to Obama would of kept the same silence , you can't name one that would of denounced Israel's actions none .....
Idris lets not for get the IRS scandel,the flooding of Ilegal immigrants into America......just so many to choose from. in my opinion Bush was a much better President although not a popular thing to say on the train it is still my opinion.
Godfather.
You are far from alone in this.I agree with you
So you guys are ok with the 4,000 American lives that were lost do to a bunch of made up lies about WMD's i just wanna know ....Not even counting how many Iraqi lives were destroyed
Honestly, I am more disappointed in Obama these last few weeks than I ever have been before. That said, if we are going to redebate the execution of bin Laden it will only serve to elevate Obama's stock in my eyes. Any trial would have been a circus. At best. At worst it could have been much worse. I for one am glad we were spared that.
Honestly, I am more disappointed in Obama these last few weeks than I ever have been before. That said, if we are going to redebate the execution of bin Laden it will only serve to elevate Obama's stock in my eyes. Any trial would have been a circus. At best. At worst it could have been much worse. I for one am glad we were spared that.
Idris lets not for get the IRS scandel,the flooding of Ilegal immigrants into America......just so many to choose from. in my opinion Bush was a much better President although not a popular thing to say on the train it is still my opinion.
Godfather.
You are far from alone in this.I agree with you
So you guys are ok with the 4,000 American lives that were lost do to a bunch of made up lies about WMD's i just wanna know ....Not even counting how many Iraqi lives were destroyed
Of course not(Can't speak for GF).But every president has a body count and questionable foreign interminglings.
I don't think everything either one has done is great or completely horrible
Bin laden has been dead for many years, unless they release the photos I'll continue to believe it's an act.
But if anyone else was President you'd probably believe it, right.
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~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
Idris lets not for get the IRS scandel,the flooding of Ilegal immigrants into America......just so many to choose from. in my opinion Bush was a much better President although not a popular thing to say on the train it is still my opinion.
Godfather.
You are far from alone in this.I agree with you
So you guys are ok with the 4,000 American lives that were lost do to a bunch of made up lies about WMD's i just wanna know ....Not even counting how many Iraqi lives were destroyed
But we got them Evil doers!!! And you know there were weapons. It's a conspiracy. " Amerika Fuck Yeah!!!
Reality Bites and it's much more comfortable to keep lying to oneself.
Idris lets not for get the IRS scandel,the flooding of Ilegal immigrants into America......just so many to choose from. in my opinion Bush was a much better President although not a popular thing to say on the train it is still my opinion.
Godfather.
You are far from alone in this.I agree with you
So you guys are ok with the 4,000 American lives that were lost do to a bunch of made up lies about WMD's i just wanna know ....Not even counting how many Iraqi lives were destroyed
Of course not(Can't speak for GF).But every president has a body count and questionable foreign interminglings.
I don't think everything either one has done is great or completely horrible
I'm sorry but i find it horrible that 4,000 lives were treated as extra baggage and just dismissing it as such is not something i look at lightly ...
Wait, I agree. Obama has been a better president overall than Bush.
Better at manipulation, and more effective in his expansion of the U.S. Empire.
So Yes, I do see him as a better president than Bush, and that also does not mean that I also don't see Obama as a bad president, a murdering bully expanding the empire into Africa, a place W. could hardly touch. A place that will yield many major conflicts, the seeds Obama has planted.
Obama 10000 'a times better than W period. The world is a fucked up place. Humans suck ass and any person you choose will have to make some decisions that suck either way. It's reality.
The decisions Obama has made both for domestic and foreign affairs have been 1000 times better than Cheney presidency and that of what would be if McCain or Romney where in the White House.
To somehow think Obama is same as Bush is ludicrous.
Obama's silence on what is happening in Gaza really says it all, shows where he stands. Shows who he is.
1000 times better? Hardly.
Every president from JFK to Obama would of kept the same silence , you can't name one that would of denounced Israel's actions none .....
No modern president, correct, which is why I say, Obama is like them all. No better.
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Unsung i asked a while back if you considered revolution. You said something like "you act as if its never been done"
Risk thousands or more lives to overturn and upset the richest, most comfortable society that has existed on this planet? I dont think so!
Until humanity grows a heart or destroys itself we will always have to choose the lesser of evils.
"Bush started a 10 year ground war that cost as many trillions of dollars and ruined millions of lives, and he did it for profit. You seriously think that is equal to Obamas despicable drone wars..LAUGHABLE! Clearly you are not counting lives lost and dollars spent in your analysis"
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Bush killed 10 innocents, Obama killed 3.5, sorry.
One innocent person is too much. Well for me anyway, Just because Obama has technically slaughtered less people than Bush, does not mean he is less evil.
also many of the dems supported the patriot act and the Iraq war, so just because it was started by a Republican means nothing, many dems backed it, they are responsible for the blood as well, or have you already forgotten the history?
rgambs, sorry but that is Not a choice, they give us two clowns and we call it choice, "guess I choose the lesser evil guy"
How unfortunate. You want change, stop supporting these people, dont be part of voting for people that are still 'evil'.
The decisions Obama has made both for domestic and foreign affairs have been 1000 times better than Cheney presidency and that of what would be if McCain or Romney where in the White House.
To somehow think Obama is same as Bush is ludicrous.
1000 times better? Hardly.
Continued blind support Of Israel and other corrupt governments around the world, Obama better?
The buildup of military bases/locations in Africa, you call that good policy? Expanding an empire is good policy?
Obama, is worse than Bush in some ways, after all that 'hope' and 'change' garbage, only to come in and keep things essentially the same, upholding the status quo.
in my opinion Bush was a much better President although not a popular thing to say on the train it is still my opinion.
Godfather.
If Bush was that much better, then why did this country stoop to your low level of electing this current president?
Am I being fair here?
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
and I have to give dredit where credit is due...he is/was a great speaker with great promices and held himself well while running for election but unfortunatly that's all he has..
all one needs to do is look back from the start of his terms and count the blunders that he has created all the way up to today and he is not finished yet, but people on the train will keep blaming the republicans for blocking his good deeds..something every president has had to deal with but obama chose to break the law to make his actions work for him,
the man is an imbaressment to our country.......as I said when he ran the first time "I have a bad feeling about this guy" and I still do.
Godfather.
I blame Obama for screaming 'change' before being elected, then continuing with US Hegemony after he's elected.
Is Obama better? worse? Like that means much, they both are of the same ilk.
There's your alternative.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I don't think everything either one has done is great or completely horrible
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
Reality Bites and it's much more comfortable to keep lying to oneself.
Instead you continue to vote in the same people you complain about. Hilarity ensues.