what do you think of America's leadership sense obama got elected ?

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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    Obama has been a boogieman for the right since January of 2009. Now they are talking themselves into impeachment. We are a divided country with one weak party and one insane party.
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    unsung said:

    All three are disasters. Seriously, stop choosing the lesser of evils.

    This
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    a nice sentiment, but what alternative is there?? The system wouldnt even give Ron Paul a chance and hes an established, rich, white politician...veteran, physician, not for sale... Never had a chance so what exactly (aside from campaign reform, which of course comes from the inside) are the other options? Revolution? Please tell me you dont take this option seriously.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    You act as if it has never happened before.

    You act as if other countries haven't successfully done it recently.

    Eh, you're probably right, 90% of this country is too lazy to worry about their future.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,286
    America's leadership has been just fine. The GOP should be very happy that the muslim world hates us more now then ever before. Criticism of Obama for world events is just illogical. Obama is exactly what I wanted...

    I think it's hilarious to see the GOP talking heads bitch about our spending and then turn around and bitch that we should be policing the world.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    I sit back and watch the talking heads from both parties point the fingers at each other and just shake my head.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,286
    I tend to as well...except in this case it's pretty hard not to see that the GOP is the true problem. Just look at how unproductive the House is....that really can't be argued.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,769
    edited July 2014

    I tend to as well...except in this case it's pretty hard not to see that the GOP is the true problem. Just look at how unproductive the House is....that really can't be argued.

    I completely agree with this.

    There was a time not so long ago where things got accomplished on Capitol Hill for the good of the American people through horse trading (making deals).

    A famous example was Tip O'neil and Ronald Regan. On opposite sides of politics but worked together to get things done.

    But not anymore. The GOP in general and the Tea Partiers in particular are to blame for the almost complete shut down on Capitol Hill.
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  • backseatLover12backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    What's going to happen is that the Republican will self implode if they don't start paying attention and attempt to fix their party. Dems will win most seats simply because Republicans have become completely laughable to the public.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    I think the Republicans are going to win the White House in 2016. Perhaps the most undeserved victory in human history, but I do think it will happen.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388

    What's going to happen is that the Republican will self implode if they don't start paying attention and attempt to fix their party. Dems will win most seats simply because Republicans have become completely laughable to the public.

    Don't count on it. Still district by district and the voters that vote like their representatives.
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  • backseatLover12backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    callen said:

    What's going to happen is that the Republican will self implode if they don't start paying attention and attempt to fix their party. Dems will win most seats simply because Republicans have become completely laughable to the public.

    Don't count on it. Still district by district and the voters that vote like their representatives.
    Eh. People are waking up. Sure there are still a lot that are still asleep at the wheel. But that's declining.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:




    dude, obama is not a fucking king. he can't just absorb territory and keep an army there because it pleases the king.

    get a grip.

    bush never had this amount of opposition in congress. i would like to see anyone else get what they want out of the last 2 do nothing congresses.

    From 2008-2010 Congress was Democrat, let's not forget that.



    even if the dems held the house, what happens when something passes the house and then gets filibustered in the senate???

    NOTHING.
    Excuses.

    excuses, no my friend, that is a fact. you don't like it that i am right. he had a veto proof majority for about 14 weeks. 14 weeks is nothing in the scheme of 2 4 year terms. nobody could get anything passed in the current climate. not even jesus himself.

    you seem to be fairly good handle on civics, but do you know what a filibuster is and how it works? nobody can get anything passed once the filibuster is enacted.

    pelosi passed a jobs bill in the house. filibustered in the senate.

    these bills all passed the house and died in the senate due to filibuster...

    H.R. 12 - Paycheck Fairness Act
    H.R. 448 -- Elder Abuse Victims Act
    H.R. 466 - Wounded Veteran Job Security Act
    H.R. 515 - Radioactive Import Deterrence Act
    H.R. 549 -- National Bombing Prevention Act
    H.R. 577 - Vision Care for Kids Act
    H.R. 626 - Federal Employees Paid Parental Leave Act
    H.R. 1029 - Alien Smuggling and Terrorism Prevention Act
    H.R. 1168 -- Veterans Retraining Act
    H.R. 1171 - Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program Reauthorization
    H.R. 1293 -- Disabled Veterans Home Improvement and Structural Alteration Grant Increase Act
    H.R. 1429 -- Stop AIDS in Prison Act
    H.R.5281 -- DREAM Act
    S.3985 -- Emergency Senior Citizens Relief Act
    S.3816 -- Creating American Jobs and Ending Offshoring Act
    S.3369 -- A bill to provide for additional disclosure requirements for corporations, labor organizations, Super PACs and other entities
    S.2237 -- Small Business Jobs and Tax Relief Act
    S.2343 -- Stop the Student Loan Interest Rate Hike Act
    S.1660 -- American Jobs Act of 2011
    S.3457 -- Veterans Jobs Corps Act
    James Zadroga 9/11 Health Bill -- seeks to provide free medical coverage for responders and survivors who were exposed to toxins after the attacks - this one passed in the House but could not get brought up in the Senate.

    keep dismissing it as an excuse. this is how our legislative branch works now. the house passes something, the senate republicans filibuster it. period, end of sentence.

    Good, looks like we saved a lot of spending.
    many of those were not necessarily "spending" bills.

    really?? you would have opposed the "small business jobs and tax relief act"??? that is right up conservative alley.

    Ok, I'm not a conservative.
    is ron paul conservative?
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    JimmyV said:

    Obama has been a boogieman for the right since January of 2009. Now they are talking themselves into impeachment. We are a divided country with one weak party and one insane party.

    BAHMMMMMMM ! NAILED IT !

    Godfather.

  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    edited July 2014


    Eh. People are waking up. Sure there are still a lot that are still asleep at the wheel. But that's declining.

    waiting on people waking up to end the Republican party will be like waiting for rip van winkle to wake up

    The guys from always sunny in Philadelphia nailed politics long ago...
    "Dennis: Who am I supposed to vote for? Am I supposed to vote for the—the Democrat who's going to blast me in the ass or the Republican who's blasting my ass?
    Mac: You see, politics is all just one big ass-blast."

    Leadership stands no chance when the crazies run the asylum. Behavior on the hill is now just about re-election. They shouldn't even call it a job, there is more campaigning done on the house and senate floors than anywhere else in politics. Its disgusting and until people quit voting for the lesser of two evils, as unsung pointed out, there will be no change and it will progressively get worse. Hard to imagine that it can get worse...but I promise you it will.

    My unsolicited advice: Quit worrying about it and just take care of you and yours the best you can while being nice to everyone else. Don't wait for the federal gov't to do anything and just start pushing for change in local behavior and gov't. I am done worrying over things I cannot control, I am done worrying about politics the game...and I do blame that on leadership, but it isn't Obama's fault, the entire country is to blame for the "leadership" in Washington.
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    JimmyV said:

    I think the Republicans are going to win the White House in 2016. Perhaps the most undeserved victory in human history, but I do think it will happen.

    If the Republicans can somehow put together a ticket with Lets say Jeb and A popular Ohio politician.they will win the White House.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,286
    edited July 2014
    rr165892 said:

    JimmyV said:

    I think the Republicans are going to win the White House in 2016. Perhaps the most undeserved victory in human history, but I do think it will happen.

    If the Republicans can somehow put together a ticket with Lets say Jeb and A popular Ohio politician.they will win the White House.
    Can't happen....Jeb is way too moderate and I don't think he is willing to sell his soul like ROmney did. ROmney was a moderate that was forced to be a Tea Partier.

    My opinion: I think the GOP is toast until someone is willing to come forward and run directly against the Tea Party. They will most likely lose an election to give the GOP time to sort out (again) but the GOP can't survive with the Tea Party tumour attached to it.

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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697

    rr165892 said:

    JimmyV said:

    I think the Republicans are going to win the White House in 2016. Perhaps the most undeserved victory in human history, but I do think it will happen.

    If the Republicans can somehow put together a ticket with Lets say Jeb and A popular Ohio politician.they will win the White House.
    Can't happen....Jeb is way too moderate and I don't think he is willing to sell his soul like ROmney did. ROmney was a moderate that was forced to be a Tea Partier.

    My opinion: I think the GOP is toast until someone is willing to come forward and run directly against the Tea Party. They will most likely lose an election to give the GOP time to sort out (again) but the GOP can't survive with the Tea Party tumour attached to it.

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    He's is a moderate,and I agree the Tea Party does hurt them on the national level.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    obama changed his tune after election, if Romney was to win 2016 I'm worried he may change his as well so he would not be getting my vote.

    Godfather.

  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Romney's running? Moderate republican ditching "real" conservative social issues could win. Be interesting.

    So GF WHO's your favorite right now?
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    There is Buzz in Fl that Jeb will run.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    rr165892 said:

    There is Buzz in Fl that Jeb will run.

    Funny Hillary against Bush.
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Actually would be a close race
  • backseatLover12backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312



    My unsolicited advice: Quit worrying about it and just take care of you and yours the best you can while being nice to everyone else. Don't wait for the federal gov't to do anything and just start pushing for change in local behavior and gov't. I am done worrying over things I cannot control, I am done worrying about politics the game...and I do blame that on leadership, but it isn't Obama's fault, the entire country is to blame for the "leadership" in Washington.

    Completely agree.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    JimmyV said:

    I think the Republicans are going to win the White House in 2016. Perhaps the most undeserved victory in human history, but I do think it will happen.

    do you have any evidence of this?

    the republican'ts have managed to alienate every single voting group that they would need to carry in order to win.

    here is a general list of people republicans have alienated.

    union workers
    latinos
    gays
    african americans
    the poor
    WOMEN
    muslims, or religious folk who identify as anything other than "christian"
    scientists
    people younger than age 50
    teachers
    service industry workers
    environmentalists
    just to name a few.

    in my mind, by looking at this list, the only people that the republicans have in the bag are rich, old, white men, and people in the above groups who are stupid enough to vote against their own interests.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    rr165892 said:

    Actually would be a close race

    With bush taking Florida ? Looking forward. Will be entertaining for sure.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388

    JimmyV said:

    I think the Republicans are going to win the White House in 2016. Perhaps the most undeserved victory in human history, but I do think it will happen.

    and people in the above groups who are stupid enough to vote against their own interests.
    There are unfortunately many in this group. Also many that may have been motivated to come out for Obama may not show for Hilary.

    Now Obama may stay active and help the dems. Will be fun.
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697

    JimmyV said:

    I think the Republicans are going to win the White House in 2016. Perhaps the most undeserved victory in human history, but I do think it will happen.

    do you have any evidence of this?

    the republican'ts have managed to alienate every single voting group that they would need to carry in order to win.

    here is a general list of people republicans have alienated.

    union workers
    latinos
    gays
    african americans
    the poor
    WOMEN
    muslims, or religious folk who identify as anything other than "christian"
    scientists
    people younger than age 50
    teachers
    service industry workers
    environmentalists
    just to name a few.

    in my mind, by looking at this list, the only people that the republicans have in the bag are rich, old, white men, and people in the above groups who are stupid enough to vote against their own interests.
    Don't agree at all.I know a lot of female republicans(Hot ones might I Add),I know a lot of young progressive thinking Republicans,And FyI Almost the entire Cuban community in Fl is Republican.Of course most people who earn a lot of jack tend to be regardless of color.I think its more Where u live.Your in St.louis right?Thats a pretty blue area isn't it?Down here in the south it's mostly republican especially along financial earning lines.
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    callen said:

    rr165892 said:

    Actually would be a close race

    With bush taking Florida ? Looking forward. Will be entertaining for sure.
    Some think Rubio also has interest but that would not be a wise move IMO
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    rr165892 said:

    callen said:

    rr165892 said:

    Actually would be a close race

    With bush taking Florida ? Looking forward. Will be entertaining for sure.
    Some think Rubio also has interest but that would not be a wise move IMO
    Yeah he's burned few bridges and Texas a lock. So how bout Christie. He's got that likability thing going. Moderate. Think republicans best shot.
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