...Obama also insisted that the deaths of "innocent civilians in Gaza caught in the crossfire have to weigh on our conscience and we have to do more to protect them."
So it's barbaric that Hamas fighters attack IDF soldiers, while it 'weighs on our conscience' when the Israeli's deliberately kill civilians. Interesting.
So far, 1,500 Palestinians have been killed, approx 85% of them civilians, along with 63 Israeli soldiers, and three Israeli civilians.
I don't agree with Israel's actions over the last few weeks, but don't pretend to be offended that the IDF uses human shields when you didn't care about Hamas using human shields the last two weeks.
I don't agree with Israel's actions over the last few weeks, but don't pretend to be offended that the IDF uses human shields when you didn't care about Hamas using human shields the last two weeks.
I don't agree with Israel's actions over the last few weeks, but don't pretend to be offended that the IDF uses human shields when you didn't care about Hamas using human shields the last two weeks.
you didn't care about Hamas using human shields the last two weeks.
Provide some evidence that Hamas has used human shields.
You can't, because they haven't. And if you want to mention that they stored rockets in two schools, those two schools were empty at the time. No civilians were present.
You're just spouting Israeli propaganda. The same propaganda they used during Operation Cast Lead in 2008-2008. Despite numerous investigations by all of the Worlds leading human rights organizations, no evidence has ever been found of Hamas using human shields. But there's ample evidence of the Israeli's using Palestinian civilians as human shields.
Amnesty: Israel Used Children as Human Shields in Gaza Amnesty accused Israeli forces of using children as human shields and conducting wanton attacks on civilians. July 2, 2009
Amnesty on Thursday accused Israeli forces of war crimes in Gaza, saying they used children as human shields and conducted wanton attacks on civilians, in a report rejected as "unbalanced" by Israel.
The London-based human rights group also accused Hamas of war crimes, but said it found no evidence to support Israeli claims that Gaza's Islamist rulers used civilians as human shields during Israel's massive 22-day offensive.
It reiterated its call for international arms embargoes against Israel and Hamas, and called for "criminal investigations in national courts" under universal jurisdiction wherever there is sufficient evidence of war crimes.
"Much of the destruction was wanton and resulted from direct attacks on civilian objects," Amnesty said in a report on the December-January war on the Gaza Strip.
In numerous cases, Israeli troops forced Palestinians to stay in one room of their home while turning the rest of the house into a base and sniper position, "effectively using the families, both adults and children, as human shields and putting them at risk," the group said.
"Intentionally using civilians to shield a military objective, often referred to as using 'human shields' is a war crime," Amnesty said.
One Palestinian quoted in the report said Israeli troops forced him on three occasions to go into a house to check whether gunmen holed up inside were still alive.
The report said it found no evidence Palestinian fighters directed civilians to shield military objectives from attacks, forced them to stay in buildings used by militants, or prevented them from leaving commandeered buildings.
The more & more I read, the more disgusted I am with Israel's actions, and also those of my own country for blindly supporting Israel for all these years.
Israel, GTFO of Palestine! It's really not that complicated.
you didn't care about Hamas using human shields the last two weeks.
Provide some evidence that Hamas has used human shields.
You can't, because they haven't. And if you want to mention that they stored rockets in two schools, those two schools were empty at the time. No civilians were present.
Why would I do research when you've already agreed that Hamas stores weapons at civilian facilities? As you agree, Hamas stored weapsons at schools/UN facilities. Logical conclusion:
Hamas stores weapons at school ---> school becomes target due to weapons ---> Israel attacks school ----> innocent civilians thinking they are safe because BOTH Hamas and Israel know shelters are hands off in war die
Seems like Hamas has some blood on their hand too. How about not storing weapons at a school to begin with, regardless of whether there are people there at the time or not?
I think Israel needs to stop shelling Palestine. It is totally one-sided at this point in civilians being killed. But don't act like Hamas is totally innocent in all of this. In a conflict lasting 50 years there has to be at least one bad thing both sides have done and it is tough to agree with some of you when you act like Hamas walks on water and has done no wrong ever.
Hamas stores weapons at school ---> school becomes target due to weapons ---> Israel attacks school ----> innocent civilians thinking they are safe because BOTH Hamas and Israel know shelters are hands off in war die
Those two schools were empty at the time. No civilians were present. Hence no human shields were used. The schools that the Israeli's bombed later, and in which they killed scores of civilians, had no weapons stored in them. And the children's playground also had no weapons stored in it. And neither did any of the six hospitals that Israel bombed.
I don't agree with Israel's actions over the last few weeks, but don't pretend to be offended that the IDF uses human shields when you didn't care about Hamas using human shields the last two weeks.
But white phosphorus is A OK. =D>
The point of my post was about this thread and not Israel/Palestine. Posters in this thread act like Hamas has done no wrong, and the minute a picture comes out about Israel doing the same thing they post what Israel is doing. It just seems like all of this energy is used to research one side of the conflict. It is like the Foxnews crowd who only listen to one side or viewpoint. In all the hundreds of articles posted there is not one that has a pro-Israeli acknowledgement. I just wonder if any energy was put into researching whether Hamas uses human shields from a non-Pro-Palestinian source. I doubt it because again, not one article or viewpoint that remotely supports Israel or at least discusses a wrong from Hamas is posted. It is rare that 100% of one-side is completely right, and 100% of the other side is completely wrong. But that is how this 50 year conflict is painted in this thread.
Has a Palestinian supporter posted an article about the capture soldier after the ceasefire and acknowledged that they shouldn't have done that if they wanted peace? Or is there just another article posted that somehow twists the situation to make Israel the one that broke the cease fire?
I just wonder if any energy was put into researching whether Hamas uses human shields from a non-Pro-Palestinian source.
Knock yourself out. Nobody's stopping you.
Like I said above, all of the investigations carried out by all of the Worlds major human rights organizations have found zero evidence of Hamas using human shields. Although they've found numerous examples of the IDF having done so.
Hamas stores weapons at school ---> school becomes target due to weapons ---> Israel attacks school ----> innocent civilians thinking they are safe because BOTH Hamas and Israel know shelters are hands off in war die
Those two schools were empty at the time. No civilians were present. Hence no human shields were used. The schools that the Israeli's bombed later, and in which they killed scores of civilians, had no weapons stored in them. And the children's playground also had no weapons stored in it. And neither did any of the six hospitals that Israel bombed.
I've never said Israel is innocent in all of this. You've again provided an example of the one-sided debate in this thread that I was commenting on. Twice now you've admitted that Hamas stored weapons in schools, and yet you can't even remotely admit that they shouldn't be doing that.
I'm not saying storing weapons in an empty school is the worst thing that has happened compared to everything else, but I don't see how you can properly debate an issue and find closure in a conflict if you can't for one second admit your side has done something wrong. If neither side can do that, this conflict will never end. You can't even admit that storing weapons in a school is wrong.
My question is this: Have you spent the same amount of time and energy looking at pro-Israel newsources and positions as you have pro-Palestian news sources and positions? It just seems like a tweet goes up that is anti-Israel and it is copied in this thread like it is 100% fact.
'Conflicting' reports suggest there have been documented cases of Hamas hiding behind their people in this fight- in other words, trying to take advantage of international laws to keep their munitions free from attack. This wouldn't be the first time such a tactic was employed and if true... I don't think anyone should be surprised. So, I would say if boot is offering this for perspective- he's in bounds for doing so. I don't think he offered the post to... as some others have consistently done... defend an indefensible Israel.
But ultimately, it doesn't matter. Israel's actions have far exceeded any decent person's tolerance level. Badbrains' white phosphorous link makes my blood boil. It is quite evident they care very little for the Palestinians or give a shit what the rest of the world thinks: this event, as bad as it was two weeks ago, is escalating in intensity.
At this point in time, it must be evidently clear that Israel is hell bent on an agenda, ruthlessly following through on that agenda, willing to suffer the short term consequences relevant to international perceptions and relations, and hoping for short term memories in the aftermath.
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
'Conflicting' reports suggest there have been documented cases of Hamas hiding behind their people in this fight- in other words, trying to take advantage of international laws to keep their munitions free from attack. This wouldn't be the first time such a tactic was employed and if true... I don't think anyone should be surprised. So, I would say if boot is offering this for perspective- he's in bounds for doing so. I don't think he offered the post to... as some others have consistently done... defend an indefensible Israel.
But ultimately, it doesn't matter. Israel's actions have far exceeded any decent person's tolerance level. Badbrains' white phosphorous link makes my blood boil. It is quite evident they care very little for the Palestinians or give a shit what the rest of the world thinks: this event, as bad as it was two weeks ago, is escalating in intensity.
At this point in time, it must be evidently clear that Israel is hell bent on an agenda, ruthlessly following through on that agenda, willing to suffer the short term consequences relevant to international perceptions and relations, and hoping for short term memories in the aftermath.
Looks that way. Israel doesn't give a shit right now.
And to booleggers point of hiding weapons in schools, I have posted earlier in this thread (somewhere) that Hammas has to stop that shit. Before the two Israeli attacks on the schools.
'Conflicting' reports suggest there have been documented cases of Hamas hiding behind their people in this fight- in other words, trying to take advantage of international laws to keep their munitions free from attack. This wouldn't be the first time such a tactic was employed and if true... I don't think anyone should be surprised. So, I would say if boot is offering this for perspective- he's in bounds for doing so. I don't think he offered the post to... as some others have consistently done... defend an indefensible Israel.
But ultimately, it doesn't matter. Israel's actions have far exceeded any decent person's tolerance level. Badbrains' white phosphorous link makes my blood boil. It is quite evident they care very little for the Palestinians or give a shit what the rest of the world thinks: this event, as bad as it was two weeks ago, is escalating in intensity.
At this point in time, it must be evidently clear that Israel is hell bent on an agenda, ruthlessly following through on that agenda, willing to suffer the short term consequences relevant to international perceptions and relations, and hoping for short term memories in the aftermath.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
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'Conflicting' reports suggest there have been documented cases of Hamas hiding behind their people in this fight
Then it shouldn't be hard to provide some evidence of it then.
Can I suggest that in future, if somebody wants to make such a claim, or a similar accusation, that they provide the evidence to corroborate it in the first place? That way it'll save us all a lot of time with this back-and-forth flatulence.
I have a pretty clear idea of what is right and wrong. So yeah, you bet I am judging.
Yeah, well, I suppose everybody is convinced they have that, don't we...?
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Yes, we can, what we can't is agree on the point who does it... and why it has been done, and who's to blame for it, etc, etc...
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
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'The United States placed the blame for the swift collapse of the latest Gaza ceasefire squarely at the door of Hamas on Friday, accusing the Palestinian militants of launching a "barbaric" attack.
...Obama also insisted that the deaths of "innocent civilians in Gaza caught in the crossfire have to weigh on our conscience and we have to do more to protect them."
So it's barbaric that Hamas fighters attack IDF soldiers, while it 'weighs on our conscience' when the Israeli's deliberately kill civilians. Interesting.
So far, 1,500 Palestinians have been killed, approx 85% of them civilians, along with 63 Israeli soldiers, and three Israeli civilians.
Sickening
You can't, because they haven't. And if you want to mention that they stored rockets in two schools, those two schools were empty at the time. No civilians were present.
You're just spouting Israeli propaganda. The same propaganda they used during Operation Cast Lead in 2008-2008. Despite numerous investigations by all of the Worlds leading human rights organizations, no evidence has ever been found of Hamas using human shields. But there's ample evidence of the Israeli's using Palestinian civilians as human shields.
Stop trying to turn reality on its head.
http://www.alternet.org/story/141078/amnesty:_israel_used_children_as_human_shields_in_gaza
Amnesty: Israel Used Children as Human Shields in Gaza
Amnesty accused Israeli forces of using children as human shields and conducting wanton attacks on civilians.
July 2, 2009
Amnesty on Thursday accused Israeli forces of war crimes in Gaza, saying they used children as human shields and conducted wanton attacks on civilians, in a report rejected as "unbalanced" by Israel.
The London-based human rights group also accused Hamas of war crimes, but said it found no evidence to support Israeli claims that Gaza's Islamist rulers used civilians as human shields during Israel's massive 22-day offensive.
It reiterated its call for international arms embargoes against Israel and Hamas, and called for "criminal investigations in national courts" under universal jurisdiction wherever there is sufficient evidence of war crimes.
"Much of the destruction was wanton and resulted from direct attacks on civilian objects," Amnesty said in a report on the December-January war on the Gaza Strip.
In numerous cases, Israeli troops forced Palestinians to stay in one room of their home while turning the rest of the house into a base and sniper position, "effectively using the families, both adults and children, as human shields and putting them at risk," the group said.
"Intentionally using civilians to shield a military objective, often referred to as using 'human shields' is a war crime," Amnesty said.
One Palestinian quoted in the report said Israeli troops forced him on three occasions to go into a house to check whether gunmen holed up inside were still alive.
The report said it found no evidence Palestinian fighters directed civilians to shield military objectives from attacks, forced them to stay in buildings used by militants, or prevented them from leaving commandeered buildings.
The more & more I read, the more disgusted I am with Israel's actions, and also those of my own country for blindly supporting Israel for all these years.
Israel, GTFO of Palestine! It's really not that complicated.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1eph4q_bbc-louis-theroux-ultra-zionists-pdtv-xvid_tech
Hamas stores weapons at school ---> school becomes target due to weapons ---> Israel attacks school ----> innocent civilians thinking they are safe because BOTH Hamas and Israel know shelters are hands off in war die
Seems like Hamas has some blood on their hand too. How about not storing weapons at a school to begin with, regardless of whether there are people there at the time or not?
I think Israel needs to stop shelling Palestine. It is totally one-sided at this point in civilians being killed. But don't act like Hamas is totally innocent in all of this. In a conflict lasting 50 years there has to be at least one bad thing both sides have done and it is tough to agree with some of you when you act like Hamas walks on water and has done no wrong ever.
Has a Palestinian supporter posted an article about the capture soldier after the ceasefire and acknowledged that they shouldn't have done that if they wanted peace? Or is there just another article posted that somehow twists the situation to make Israel the one that broke the cease fire?
Like I said above, all of the investigations carried out by all of the Worlds major human rights organizations have found zero evidence of Hamas using human shields. Although they've found numerous examples of the IDF having done so.
hamas stores weapons in life vest of press
hamas stores weapons in the shoes of innocent Palestinians
http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/2014/07/31/terrifying-video-shows-israeli-ambulance-attack-that-killed-palestinian-journalist-rami-rayan/
I'm not saying storing weapons in an empty school is the worst thing that has happened compared to everything else, but I don't see how you can properly debate an issue and find closure in a conflict if you can't for one second admit your side has done something wrong. If neither side can do that, this conflict will never end. You can't even admit that storing weapons in a school is wrong.
My question is this: Have you spent the same amount of time and energy looking at pro-Israel newsources and positions as you have pro-Palestian news sources and positions? It just seems like a tweet goes up that is anti-Israel and it is copied in this thread like it is 100% fact.
But ultimately, it doesn't matter. Israel's actions have far exceeded any decent person's tolerance level. Badbrains' white phosphorous link makes my blood boil. It is quite evident they care very little for the Palestinians or give a shit what the rest of the world thinks: this event, as bad as it was two weeks ago, is escalating in intensity.
At this point in time, it must be evidently clear that Israel is hell bent on an agenda, ruthlessly following through on that agenda, willing to suffer the short term consequences relevant to international perceptions and relations, and hoping for short term memories in the aftermath.
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Looks that way. Israel doesn't give a shit right now.
And to booleggers point of hiding weapons in schools, I have posted earlier in this thread (somewhere) that Hammas has to stop that shit. Before the two Israeli attacks on the schools.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Carry on...
Can I suggest that in future, if somebody wants to make such a claim, or a similar accusation, that they provide the evidence to corroborate it in the first place? That way it'll save us all a lot of time with this back-and-forth flatulence.
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
http://www.mintpressnews.com/video-term-human-shield-used-justify-state-sponsored-massacres/194760/