those examples are hollow and weak at best... anyone can youtube search human shields... where are the reports from independent fact finders, where are the pics and videos of civilians dead along with massive cache of artillery? hardy convincing... i cant even give you a nice try since all you did was search youtube.
surprised they haven't said "kidnapped", just to skew it further.
They have used that word.
Captured, an ducted, kidnapped... that really all means the same thing to me. That a soldier was taken. I don't give a shit which word is used. It changes nothing. Are people really gullible enough to allow those different words to influence their impression of what happened? That's pathetic.
Are you not aware of how media works? Different words elicit different emotions from readers/viewers...
Of course I am aware of how the media works. My point is that people who fall for it are being idiots.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
surprised they haven't said "kidnapped", just to skew it further.
They have used that word.
Captured, abducted, kidnapped... that really all means the same thing to me. That a soldier was taken. I don't give a shit which word is used. It changes nothing. Are people really gullible enough to allow those different words to influence their impression of what happened? That's pathetic.
Of course there is a difference: Abduct: to seize or take away by force Kidnap: to take away by force in order to keep a person a prisoner and demand money for the return of that person Capture: the act of taking and holding someone as a prisoner
The term capture, most of the time, is used in war. POW's from Vietnam or Iraq aren't referred to as kidnapped or abducted. They were captured. This is a war so if the reports are accurate, this Israeli soldier was captured in a war and is a POW.
I know it is small, but there is a difference. That is why the the news channels are using the terms kidnap and abducted. It just supports Israel's side of the mean, terrible Palestinians breaking the "cease fire."
surprised they haven't said "kidnapped", just to skew it further.
They have used that word.
Captured, abducted, kidnapped... that really all means the same thing to me. That a soldier was taken. I don't give a shit which word is used. It changes nothing. Are people really gullible enough to allow those different words to influence their impression of what happened? That's pathetic.
Of course there is a difference: Abduct: to seize or take away by force Kidnap: to take away by force in order to keep a person a prisoner and demand money for the return of that person Capture: the act of taking and holding someone as a prisoner
The term capture, most of the time, is used in war. POW's from Vietnam or Iraq aren't referred to as kidnapped or abducted. They were captured. This is a war so if the reports are accurate, this Israeli soldier was captured in a war and is a POW.
I know it is small, but there is a difference. That is why the the news channels are using the terms kidnap and abducted. It just supports Israel's side of the mean, terrible Palestinians breaking the "cease fire."
Kay everyone, I get it. I actually have a degree in English lit and do understand the subtleties of language, lol. What I meant is that I think it takes a very gullible fool to not understand that in this situation "kidnapped" is no different than "captured".
Although as it turns out, from what I just read in the Times, the Israelis now think the soldier was killed in battle and not taken at all.... that said, still sounds like the truce was broken by Palestinian militants (or Hamas, or maybe those are the same thing or not... who knows).
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Do you think the the UN cares about schools and hospitals because of the bricks and mortar of the buildings? No, it is because there are innocent people that are in those buildings. So using a school to store weapons is in fact using people as a shield and is putting innocent people at risk who may go to that school after it has been turned into a target by Hamas.
Anyway, after 5 posts of deflecting, I can only conclude you are okay with Hamas storing weapons in schools. No one is going to think you support Israel if you are critical of Hamas. They might actually respect you for being thoughtful instead of close-minded to anything that doesn't support your view.
For example: It is not okay for Hamas to kidnap a soldier during an agreed upon ceasefire, but that doesn't make it right for Israel to retaliate and kill 50+ civilians in Palestine. If you can't admit that it makes you sound like you just don't like Israel instead of supporting Palestinians.
When UNRWA workers entered those two schools they were empty of people. They'd already been abandoned. Therefore, no human shields were used. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? The UNRWA workers reported that they'd discovered weapons in those two schools, and at the same time they reported that both schools were empty at the time. You choose to believe one part of their report whilst dismissing the other. Why is that?
And no, I'm not o.k with Hamas using schools to store weapons, if the schools are empty or otherwise. According to Hamas the Israeli's began shelling Rafah before they moved through the tunnel and kidnapped the soldier. But that's current;y open to question,
This video is entitled 'Hamas using children as human shield', yet it shows nothing of the sort. What it shows is some fighters carrying children out of dangerously open spaces, away from harms reach.
Israeli airstrike massacres family of prominent physician and author 08/02/2014
An Israeli airstrike on Khan Younis in southern Gaza massacred nine members of the El-Farra family, including five children, early Friday morning.
The El-Farra family are relatives of physician Dr. Mona El-Farra, who has been frequently updating The Electronic Intifada on the ever worsening situation there.
“The house was hit with a rocket, and the whole neighborhood started leaving, running in the street,” she told The Electronic Intifada in an interview on Saturday. “Another rocket, or missile, struck the children and the women who were running outside of the house.”
Yara Abed Al Salam El-Farra, 8 years old, was killed in an Israeli airstrike on Friday in Khan Younis.
Six members of the El-Farra family who were killed in their home Friday.
Testimony at US Congress
Dr. El-Farra is the aunt of author and journalist Laila El-Haddad, who testified about the massacre during a Congressional briefing Friday on US complicity in Israel’s onslaught on Gaza, which at the time of publication had claimed nearly 1,700 lives there.
“I woke up this morning and I learned that my tax dollars killed eight of my family members in Gaza. They were given an eight-second warning,” El-Haddad stated to members of Congress.
Dr. El-Farra works at the Palestine Red Crescent Society and is the director of Gaza projects at the Middle East Children’s Alliance. She has been working around the clock treating patients — even after receiving Friday’s devastating news — and she and her colleagues receive hundreds of people needing treatment every day as medical supplies continue to run low or are completely depleted.
Last week, Dr. El-Farra warned that the situation in Gaza was going to worsen dramatically because of the dwindling availability of water, electricity, basic medications and medical supplies.
...According to Mohammed Omer reporting for Al Jazeera English, “At least 1,680 Palestinians have been killed and 8,500 others hurt in Gaza since Israel’s military offensive began” on 7 July.
“On Friday, an Israeli tank shell struck an ambulance in Rafah, killing three medical crew members: Yousef Elshiekh Eid, Yousef Darabeh, and Atef Alzamli. Meanwhile, the city’s only hospital, Abu Yousef Al Najjar, has been under constant Israeli artillery shelling, forcing doctors to evacuate their patients and the dead bodies,” he added.
...Israeli daily Haaretz reported that according to the United Nations children’s agency UNICEF, by Saturday morning at least 296 children had been killed in the Gaza Strip since the operation began — approximately one third of the fatalities. UNICEF says that of these 296 children, 187 are boys and 109 are girls, with at least 203 of the victims under the age of 12.
The UN says it gave the school's co-ordinates to Israel 17 times. 17 times it gave Israel the co-ordinates and said the building was housing children and displaced civilians. And yet Israel bombed it. They bombed it and killed every civilian inside.
Seriously? "Rockets are launched here from the Gazan side into Israel." Therefore we're supposed to assume that she means rockets are launched from the hospital she happens to be standing outside of.
It's almost comical.
I feel even more proud now that this rafie person despises me. It tells me that I'm doing something right.
Ten people killed and dozens wounded in new missile attack on UN-run school in Rafah, according to witnesses
theguardian.com, 3 August 2014
An Israeli air strike has killed at least 10 people and wounded about 30 others in a UN-run school in the southern Gaza Strip, witnesses and medics said, as dozens died in renewed Israeli shelling of the enclave.
The Israeli military declined immediate comment on the attack, the second to hit a UN school in less than a week.
A missile launched by an aircraft struck the entrance to the school in Rafah, the witnesses and medics said.
Witnesses said there was an explosion at about 10.30am just outside the gates of the Rafah Preparatory A Boys school.
A group of children and some adults were buying sweets and biscuits from hawkers.
There have been a considerable number of air strikes in the area overnight and on Sunday morning. Witnesses said there was a deep hole in the ground about eight metres from the school gates that was new, and blood on the floor was being cleaned up.
More than 2,000 people were thought to be seeking refuge in the school, many of them from the east of Rafah where there has been very heavy bombing since Friday, with at least 100 people thought to have been killed in the last few days.
Last Wednesday, at least 15 Palestinians who sought refuge in a UN-run school in Jabalya refugee camp were killed during fighting, and the UN said it appeared that Israeli artillery had hit the building.
Netanyahu warns US not to try to force Israel into a Gaza ceasefire
• Israel PM tells US ‘not to ever second-guess me again’ • US and UN called naive over failed ceasefire with Hamas
Associated Press in Washington theguardian.com, Saturday 2 August 2014
Following the quick collapse of the ceasefire in Gaza, the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, told the White House not to force a truce with Palestinian militants.
...The Obama administration on Friday condemned “outrageous” violations of an internationally brokered Gaza ceasefire by Palestinian militants and called the apparent capture of an Israeli soldier a “barbaric” action.
The strong reaction came as top Israeli officials questioned the effort to forge the truce, accusing the US and the United Nations of being naive in assuming Hamas would adhere to its terms. The officials also blamed the Gulf state of Qatar for not forcing the militants to comply.
...Obama and other US officials did not directly blame Hamas for the abduction. But they made clear they hold Hamas responsible for, or having influence over, the actions of all factions in the Gaza Strip. The language was a distinct change from Thursday, when Washington was focused on the deaths of Palestinian civilians.
Netanyahu told Shapiro the Obama administration was “not to ever second-guess me again” and that Washington should trust his judgment on how to deal with Hamas, according to the people. Netanyahu added that he now “expected” the US and other countries to fully support Israel’s offensive in Gaza, according to those familiar with the call. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorised to discuss the matter by name.
You mean you didn't know that any us elected president takes it in the ash from Israel? Second guessing means no lube next time. 99.9% of us elected officials suck Israeli di(k. Now you know...
Israeli air and artillery strikes and Hamas mortars and rockets are often presented as if they balanced each other out in terms of lethality. But the most important statistic here is that some 1,500 Palestinians have been killed as opposed to 3 civilians in Israel. Since 2001, 27 Israeli civilians have been killed by rockets fired from Palestine.
My representative is even worse. A freshman Democrat from a politically connected family (I'm from Massachusetts so you can probably guess which one) who has taken to posting AIPAC scripted Facebook updates and who is running unopposed in November.
More of Israel's precision bombing. Note the care taken to avoid civilian casualties. Plus, I'm sure they were leafleted, and given the ol' roof knock....that 5-20 seconds would have given them plenty of time to get to safety.
circus monkey... President Obama, in his press conference on Friday, said ”it is heartbreaking to see what’s happening there,” referring to the weeks of civilian deaths in Gaza – “as if he’s just a bystander, watching it all unfold,” observed Brooklyn College Professor Corey Robin. Robin added: ”Obama talks about Gaza as if it were a natural disaster, an uncontrollable biological event.”
Each time Israel attacks Gaza and massacres its trapped civilian population – at the end of 2008, in the fall of 2012, and now again this past month – the same process repeats itself in both U.S. media and government circles: the U.S. government feeds Israel the weapons it uses and steadfastly defends its aggression both publicly and at the U.N.; the U.S. Congress unanimously enacts one resolution after the next to support and enable Israel; and then American media figures pretend that the Israeli attack has nothing to do with their country, that it’s just some sort of unfortunately intractable, distant conflict between two equally intransigent foreign parties in response to which all decent Americans helplessly throw up their hands as though they bear no responsibility.
Laughable...anyone with half a brain and common sense can debunk that article in 4 minutes. I read it as I'm waking up, i wasn't even done scratching my balls and i pick it apart, easily. My favorite....the images coming from Gaza of dead babies are mainly from Syria as if some internet sleuthing body is reviewing all the images coming from Gaza and determining which are authentic. Retweeting images in this guy's mind is journalism. That is right out of the playbook that was posted here earlier. Here is another... 1 Israeli dummy writes an article then another dummy writes another article and references the first dummy then a third dummy writes an article and references the first two dummies and so on and so on.
Tell that that WARPIG Netanyahu we will never second guess him again as soon as he stops taking 4 billion in welfare payments per year from our tax payers and returns the iron dome and all the abram tanks. The nerve of these people.
I just called Rabbi Echstein and asked how can I send money to the poor palestinians kids who are being hunted down by israel. They didnt have an answer.
It was another illustration of Israel’s absolute disregard for the safety of civilians. At least three-quarters of the more than 1,700 Palestinians killed so far have been non-combatants, while almost all Israeli casualties have been soldiers. Another UN school was hit on Sunday, killing at least 10 Palestinians seeking refuge from Israeli shelling.
So easy sitting wherever you are (guess it's no where near the middle east) and see whatever it is you choose. Life is much more complicated. The whole confilct is much more complicated. Try walking in my shoes. This sucks. Living this war sucks. I am 8th generation here in Israel, so this whole occupation theory doesnt really suit my family story, since as much as we go back we are from Jerusalem. I have my grand grandmother passport who was born in Jerusalem in 1888. There are endless sides to this. No winners, only losers, both sides.
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hardy convincing... i cant even give you a nice try since all you did was search youtube.
Abduct: to seize or take away by force
Kidnap: to take away by force in order to keep a person a prisoner and demand money for the return of that person
Capture: the act of taking and holding someone as a prisoner
The term capture, most of the time, is used in war. POW's from Vietnam or Iraq aren't referred to as kidnapped or abducted. They were captured. This is a war so if the reports are accurate, this Israeli soldier was captured in a war and is a POW.
I know it is small, but there is a difference. That is why the the news channels are using the terms kidnap and abducted. It just supports Israel's side of the mean, terrible Palestinians breaking the "cease fire."
Although as it turns out, from what I just read in the Times, the Israelis now think the soldier was killed in battle and not taken at all.... that said, still sounds like the truce was broken by Palestinian militants (or Hamas, or maybe those are the same thing or not... who knows).
And no, I'm not o.k with Hamas using schools to store weapons, if the schools are empty or otherwise.
According to Hamas the Israeli's began shelling Rafah before they moved through the tunnel and kidnapped the soldier. But that's current;y open to question,
Are you really this desperate?
Israeli airstrike massacres family of prominent physician and author
08/02/2014
An Israeli airstrike on Khan Younis in southern Gaza massacred nine members of the El-Farra family, including five children, early Friday morning.
The El-Farra family are relatives of physician Dr. Mona El-Farra, who has been frequently updating The Electronic Intifada on the ever worsening situation there.
“The house was hit with a rocket, and the whole neighborhood started leaving, running in the street,” she told The Electronic Intifada in an interview on Saturday. “Another rocket, or missile, struck the children and the women who were running outside of the house.”
Yara Abed Al Salam El-Farra, 8 years old, was killed in an Israeli airstrike on Friday in Khan Younis.
Six members of the El-Farra family who were killed in their home Friday.
Testimony at US Congress
Dr. El-Farra is the aunt of author and journalist Laila El-Haddad, who testified about the massacre during a Congressional briefing Friday on US complicity in Israel’s onslaught on Gaza, which at the time of publication had claimed nearly 1,700 lives there.
“I woke up this morning and I learned that my tax dollars killed eight of my family members in Gaza. They were given an eight-second warning,” El-Haddad stated to members of Congress.
Dr. El-Farra works at the Palestine Red Crescent Society and is the director of Gaza projects at the Middle East Children’s Alliance. She has been working around the clock treating patients — even after receiving Friday’s devastating news — and she and her colleagues receive hundreds of people needing treatment every day as medical supplies continue to run low or are completely depleted.
Last week, Dr. El-Farra warned that the situation in Gaza was going to worsen dramatically because of the dwindling availability of water, electricity, basic medications and medical supplies.
...According to Mohammed Omer reporting for Al Jazeera English, “At least 1,680 Palestinians have been killed and 8,500 others hurt in Gaza since Israel’s military offensive began” on 7 July.
“On Friday, an Israeli tank shell struck an ambulance in Rafah, killing three medical crew members: Yousef Elshiekh Eid, Yousef Darabeh, and Atef Alzamli. Meanwhile, the city’s only hospital, Abu Yousef Al Najjar, has been under constant Israeli artillery shelling, forcing doctors to evacuate their patients and the dead bodies,” he added.
...Israeli daily Haaretz reported that according to the United Nations children’s agency UNICEF, by Saturday morning at least 296 children had been killed in the Gaza Strip since the operation began — approximately one third of the fatalities. UNICEF says that of these 296 children, 187 are boys and 109 are girls, with at least 203 of the victims under the age of 12.
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/shows/earlyedition/highlights/rachel-smalley-1aug2014
It's almost comical.
I feel even more proud now that this rafie person despises me. It tells me that I'm doing something right.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/matthewtucker/before-and-after-satellite-images-of-israels-operation-prote?utm_source=digg&utm_medium=twitter&s=mobile
Israeli air strike hits UN school in Gaza
Ten people killed and dozens wounded in new missile attack on UN-run school in Rafah, according to witnesses
theguardian.com, 3 August 2014
An Israeli air strike has killed at least 10 people and wounded about 30 others in a UN-run school in the southern Gaza Strip, witnesses and medics said, as dozens died in renewed Israeli shelling of the enclave.
The Israeli military declined immediate comment on the attack, the second to hit a UN school in less than a week.
A missile launched by an aircraft struck the entrance to the school in Rafah, the witnesses and medics said.
Witnesses said there was an explosion at about 10.30am just outside the gates of the Rafah Preparatory A Boys school.
A group of children and some adults were buying sweets and biscuits from hawkers.
There have been a considerable number of air strikes in the area overnight and on Sunday morning. Witnesses said there was a deep hole in the ground about eight metres from the school gates that was new, and blood on the floor was being cleaned up.
More than 2,000 people were thought to be seeking refuge in the school, many of them from the east of Rafah where there has been very heavy bombing since Friday, with at least 100 people thought to have been killed in the last few days.
Last Wednesday, at least 15 Palestinians who sought refuge in a UN-run school in Jabalya refugee camp were killed during fighting, and the UN said it appeared that Israeli artillery had hit the building.
Netanyahu in cabinet commenting on Obama in 2009: "This guy doesn't get it, does he?"
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/02/netanyahu-warns-us-israel-gaza-ceasefire-second-guess
Netanyahu warns US not to try to force Israel into a Gaza ceasefire
• Israel PM tells US ‘not to ever second-guess me again’
• US and UN called naive over failed ceasefire with Hamas
Associated Press in Washington
theguardian.com, Saturday 2 August 2014
Following the quick collapse of the ceasefire in Gaza, the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, told the White House not to force a truce with Palestinian militants.
...The Obama administration on Friday condemned “outrageous” violations of an internationally brokered Gaza ceasefire by Palestinian militants and called the apparent capture of an Israeli soldier a “barbaric” action.
The strong reaction came as top Israeli officials questioned the effort to forge the truce, accusing the US and the United Nations of being naive in assuming Hamas would adhere to its terms. The officials also blamed the Gulf state of Qatar for not forcing the militants to comply.
...Obama and other US officials did not directly blame Hamas for the abduction. But they made clear they hold Hamas responsible for, or having influence over, the actions of all factions in the Gaza Strip. The language was a distinct change from Thursday, when Washington was focused on the deaths of Palestinian civilians.
Netanyahu told Shapiro the Obama administration was “not to ever second-guess me again” and that Washington should trust his judgment on how to deal with Hamas, according to the people. Netanyahu added that he now “expected” the US and other countries to fully support Israel’s offensive in Gaza, according to those familiar with the call. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorised to discuss the matter by name.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Since 2001, 27 Israeli civilians have been killed by rockets fired from Palestine.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
What were u expecting? Him to really be any different?
Nothing is really shocking, you got what u voted for, a circus monkey.
President Obama, in his press conference on Friday, said ”it is heartbreaking to see what’s happening there,” referring to the weeks of civilian deaths in Gaza – “as if he’s just a bystander, watching it all unfold,” observed Brooklyn College Professor Corey Robin. Robin added: ”Obama talks about Gaza as if it were a natural disaster, an uncontrollable biological event.”
Each time Israel attacks Gaza and massacres its trapped civilian population – at the end of 2008, in the fall of 2012, and now again this past month – the same process repeats itself in both U.S. media and government circles: the U.S. government feeds Israel the weapons it uses and steadfastly defends its aggression both publicly and at the U.N.; the U.S. Congress unanimously enacts one resolution after the next to support and enable Israel; and then American media figures pretend that the Israeli attack has nothing to do with their country, that it’s just some sort of unfortunately intractable, distant conflict between two equally intransigent foreign parties in response to which all decent Americans helplessly throw up their hands as though they bear no responsibility.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-a-rizvi/picking-a-side-in-israel-palestine_b_5602701.html
My favorite....the images coming from Gaza of dead babies are mainly from Syria as if some internet sleuthing body is reviewing all the images coming from Gaza and determining which are authentic. Retweeting images in this guy's mind is journalism.
That is right out of the playbook that was posted here earlier.
Here is another... 1 Israeli dummy writes an article then another dummy writes another article and references the first dummy then a third dummy writes an article and references the first two dummies and so on and so on.
I just called Rabbi Echstein and asked how can I send money to the poor palestinians kids who are being hunted down by israel. They didnt have an answer.
The logic was deeply flawed. Israel is occupying and besieging Gaza, conferring on its inhabitants a right under international law to fight for their freedom. How does the oppressor, the lawbreaker have a right to self-defence? ***If Israel objects to being scratched and bruised, it should stop choking its victim.*** - See more at: http://www.jonathan-cook.net/2014-08-03/how-a-kidnapped-soldier-illustrates-israels-deception/#sthash.JDnCslrs.dpuf
It was another illustration of Israel’s absolute disregard for the safety of civilians. At least three-quarters of the more than 1,700 Palestinians killed so far have been non-combatants, while almost all Israeli casualties have been soldiers. Another UN school was hit on Sunday, killing at least 10 Palestinians seeking refuge from Israeli shelling.
Try walking in my shoes.
This sucks. Living this war sucks. I am 8th generation here in Israel, so this whole occupation theory doesnt really suit my family story, since as much as we go back we are from Jerusalem. I have my grand grandmother passport who was born in Jerusalem in 1888. There are endless sides to this. No winners, only losers, both sides.
im certain that is they just dig alittle deeper under more little terrorist girls and boys they will find the stored weapons, im sure of it