Imagine That -- I’m Still Anti-War

Luckytwn1

badbrains said:

It's genocide and what if u were on the other side? America would be there right now freeing u. Bottom line is u feel the way u do because you live there, the side with everything. But if u were on the other side, you wouldn't even be able to post anything on this forum.

And the reason you ain't doing it instantly is because then you'd MOST DEF get a reaction from the world. But I dnt think it would be actions involving words...

A perfect example of what I was just saying above.

badbrains

Luckytwn1 said:

SivanMerili said:

Man, if it was genocide, belive me Israel have the means to do it in few hours if that was their purpose..
Stop with the genocide bulls. Its so so so not true that no one is takking it seriously..
Even the famos 'goldstone report' ended with goldstones regret about it.

Seriously, nobody can look dumber than claiming Israel is conducting genocide. Words actually have meaning and either you'd have to have no understanding of the word or just be really stupid to say that.

As you point out, Israel could literally destroy Gaza in its entirety in an afternoon. All civilian deaths are tragic but the fact is that the care taken by Israel to avoid civilian casualties is why the death toll so far is low considering the density of the population and the size of the operation.

You no what, you keep talking shit and talking down to people who dnt agree with what you're saying. Are you trying to be a complete asshole or are you doing it by mistake? I've gotten a few pm messages telling me not to get into with u so I dnt get suspended. I'm trying real hard. But your posts are very attacking, like you're waiting for a response so you can run and tell and get me/whoever banned. Bro, stop being an asshole and post whatever you want and be respectful. I may not agree with u and the lady from Israel, but I'm not sitting here calling u dumb or her stupid. You're doing a fine job taking care of that for us.

Thanks for the pms guys, appreciate you guys reaching out. You have no idea what your words mean to me. Again, thanks!

badbrains

If people want to see what it's like in Palestine, plz watch the movie by John Pilger called Palestine is still the Issue. He filmed it there, you can pretty much see what it's like. Watch the film, make your own opinions.

Luckytwn1

badbrains said:

Luckytwn1 said:

SivanMerili said:

Man, if it was genocide, belive me Israel have the means to do it in few hours if that was their purpose..
Stop with the genocide bulls. Its so so so not true that no one is takking it seriously..
Even the famos 'goldstone report' ended with goldstones regret about it.

Seriously, nobody can look dumber than claiming Israel is conducting genocide. Words actually have meaning and either you'd have to have no understanding of the word or just be really stupid to say that.

As you point out, Israel could literally destroy Gaza in its entirety in an afternoon. All civilian deaths are tragic but the fact is that the care taken by Israel to avoid civilian casualties is why the death toll so far is low considering the density of the population and the size of the operation.

You no what, you keep talking shit and talking down to people who dnt agree with what you're saying. Are you trying to be a complete asshole or are you doing it by mistake? I've gotten a few pm messages telling me not to get into with u so I dnt get suspended. I'm trying real hard. But your posts are very attacking, like you're waiting for a response so you can run and tell and get me/whoever banned. Bro, stop being an asshole and post whatever you want and be respectful. I may not agree with u and the lady from Israel, but I'm not sitting here calling u dumb or her stupid. You're doing a fine job taking care of that for us.

Thanks for the pms guys, appreciate you guys reaching out. You have no idea what your words mean to me. Again, thanks!

It would never even remotely occur to me to spend even a second getting you banned. I don't want ignorance banned. I want it out in the open where we can expose it. I am simply responding as I see fit to someone who is posting untruths and doesn't have command of the facts as it pertains to Israel. If you're going to make silly statements like Israel is conducting genocide, then you should expect a response.

JimmyV

backseatLover12 said:

It's nice to see that this thread supposedly about peace has been brought down to this debate. I guess...

Eddie was clearly talking about armed conflicts all over the world - not one conflict in general. Yet partisans on both sides of this issue continue to make it entirely about Israel and Palestine. When you think about it, that is a common ground that they share. So Eddie's call for peace is, in a way, bringing people together.

That's about all the positivity I can muster at this point.

badbrains

Luckytwn1 said:

badbrains said:

Luckytwn1 said:

SivanMerili said:

Man, if it was genocide, belive me Israel have the means to do it in few hours if that was their purpose..
Stop with the genocide bulls. Its so so so not true that no one is takking it seriously..
Even the famos 'goldstone report' ended with goldstones regret about it.

Seriously, nobody can look dumber than claiming Israel is conducting genocide. Words actually have meaning and either you'd have to have no understanding of the word or just be really stupid to say that.

As you point out, Israel could literally destroy Gaza in its entirety in an afternoon. All civilian deaths are tragic but the fact is that the care taken by Israel to avoid civilian casualties is why the death toll so far is low considering the density of the population and the size of the operation.

You no what, you keep talking shit and talking down to people who dnt agree with what you're saying. Are you trying to be a complete asshole or are you doing it by mistake? I've gotten a few pm messages telling me not to get into with u so I dnt get suspended. I'm trying real hard. But your posts are very attacking, like you're waiting for a response so you can run and tell and get me/whoever banned. Bro, stop being an asshole and post whatever you want and be respectful. I may not agree with u and the lady from Israel, but I'm not sitting here calling u dumb or her stupid. You're doing a fine job taking care of that for us.

Thanks for the pms guys, appreciate you guys reaching out. You have no idea what your words mean to me. Again, thanks!

It would never even remotely occur to me to spend even a second getting you banned. I don't want ignorance banned. I want it out in the open where we can expose it. I am simply responding as I see fit to someone who is posting untruths and doesn't have command of the facts as it pertains to Israel. If you're going to make silly statements like Israel is conducting genocide, then you should expect a response.

See, and there u are again talking shit. Again. Hey Einstein, got news for you, just because I dnt agree with the bullshit you're spewing doesn't mean I'm ignorant or silly or whatever the fuck you want to call me. What's silly is you're sitting here trying to have a big dick contest behind the screen of a computer. People have been posting all kinds of links and they're all lies right? Everything u say is god and kosher right? We should all stop because god (you) said we are all ignorant or I'm ignorant or blah blah blah. Whatever. Get off your high holy horse and get the fuck off my back. Post whatever you want but dnt call us stupid or ignorant or whatever's clever for you. In reality, all you're doing is making yourself look like an ignorant asshole. And I dnt need to post a link for that.

SivanMerili

badbrains said:

SivanMerili said:

Man, if it was genocide, belive me Israel have the means to do it in few hours if that was their purpose..
Stop with the genocide bulls. Its so so so not true that no one is takking it seriously..
Even the famos 'goldstone report' ended with goldstones regret about it.

It's genocide and what if u were on the other side? America would be there right now freeing u. Bottom line is u feel the way u do because you live there, the side with everything. But if u were on the other side, you wouldn't even be able to post anything on this forum.

And the reason you ain't doing it instantly is because then you'd MOST DEF get a reaction from the world. But I dnt think it would be actions involving words...

Do you realy think the world can stop someone from comiting genocide?
Realty check- Syria.
Every day (!!!) thousands are being murderd in Syria by Asaads people, and the world stands silente..
Till now millions were murderd. Still, the world proves it impotence.

badbrains

Oh so now there's 1,000,000 dead I syria? Wow. Let's deflect the chaos in gaza and push it to syria now?

I'm done with this thread tonight. Fucken self polluting myself in here. Gonna take a break before I say something to get banned. I need a sedative right now. We all do.

Luckytwn1

badbrains said:

Luckytwn1 said:

badbrains said:

Luckytwn1 said:

SivanMerili said:

Man, if it was genocide, belive me Israel have the means to do it in few hours if that was their purpose..
Stop with the genocide bulls. Its so so so not true that no one is takking it seriously..
Even the famos 'goldstone report' ended with goldstones regret about it.

Seriously, nobody can look dumber than claiming Israel is conducting genocide. Words actually have meaning and either you'd have to have no understanding of the word or just be really stupid to say that.

As you point out, Israel could literally destroy Gaza in its entirety in an afternoon. All civilian deaths are tragic but the fact is that the care taken by Israel to avoid civilian casualties is why the death toll so far is low considering the density of the population and the size of the operation.

You no what, you keep talking shit and talking down to people who dnt agree with what you're saying. Are you trying to be a complete asshole or are you doing it by mistake? I've gotten a few pm messages telling me not to get into with u so I dnt get suspended. I'm trying real hard. But your posts are very attacking, like you're waiting for a response so you can run and tell and get me/whoever banned. Bro, stop being an asshole and post whatever you want and be respectful. I may not agree with u and the lady from Israel, but I'm not sitting here calling u dumb or her stupid. You're doing a fine job taking care of that for us.

Thanks for the pms guys, appreciate you guys reaching out. You have no idea what your words mean to me. Again, thanks!

It would never even remotely occur to me to spend even a second getting you banned. I don't want ignorance banned. I want it out in the open where we can expose it. I am simply responding as I see fit to someone who is posting untruths and doesn't have command of the facts as it pertains to Israel. If you're going to make silly statements like Israel is conducting genocide, then you should expect a response.

See, and there u are again talking shit. Again. Hey Einstein, got news for you, just because I dnt agree with the bullshit you're spewing doesn't mean I'm ignorant or silly or whatever the fuck you want to call me. What's silly is you're sitting here trying to have a big dick contest behind the screen of a computer. People have been posting all kinds of links and they're all lies right? Everything u say is god and kosher right? We should all stop because god (you) said we are all ignorant or I'm ignorant or blah blah blah. Whatever. Get off your high holy horse and get the fuck off my back. Post whatever you want but dnt call us stupid or ignorant or whatever's clever for you. In reality, all you're doing is making yourself look like an ignorant asshole. And I dnt need to post a link for that.

Blah blah blah, that's all nice gobbledygook, I will say it again, make reckless and wrong statements like "Israel is committing genocide" and I will respond. If you don't like my response then my suggestion would be to understand what genocide is before making those kinds of statements. As Sivan points out, there actually is genocide going on in Syria at the moment but we don't hear a peep out of people like you about that.

SivanMerili

BadBrains,
If you have something to say, say it,
But please stop with the 'words laundery'.
If you see Hamas as a legitimate organization, something is realy disturbed with you..
And the 'i dont hate israelis' is losing it credibillity.
Just be true to your self for once and say what you realy think.

PJ_Soul

badbrains said:

Luckytwn1 said:

badbrains said:

Luckytwn1 said:

SivanMerili said:

Man, if it was genocide, belive me Israel have the means to do it in few hours if that was their purpose..
Stop with the genocide bulls. Its so so so not true that no one is takking it seriously..
Even the famos 'goldstone report' ended with goldstones regret about it.

Seriously, nobody can look dumber than claiming Israel is conducting genocide. Words actually have meaning and either you'd have to have no understanding of the word or just be really stupid to say that.

As you point out, Israel could literally destroy Gaza in its entirety in an afternoon. All civilian deaths are tragic but the fact is that the care taken by Israel to avoid civilian casualties is why the death toll so far is low considering the density of the population and the size of the operation.

You no what, you keep talking shit and talking down to people who dnt agree with what you're saying. Are you trying to be a complete asshole or are you doing it by mistake? I've gotten a few pm messages telling me not to get into with u so I dnt get suspended. I'm trying real hard. But your posts are very attacking, like you're waiting for a response so you can run and tell and get me/whoever banned. Bro, stop being an asshole and post whatever you want and be respectful. I may not agree with u and the lady from Israel, but I'm not sitting here calling u dumb or her stupid. You're doing a fine job taking care of that for us.

Thanks for the pms guys, appreciate you guys reaching out. You have no idea what your words mean to me. Again, thanks!

It would never even remotely occur to me to spend even a second getting you banned. I don't want ignorance banned. I want it out in the open where we can expose it. I am simply responding as I see fit to someone who is posting untruths and doesn't have command of the facts as it pertains to Israel. If you're going to make silly statements like Israel is conducting genocide, then you should expect a response.

See, and there u are again talking shit. Again. Hey Einstein, got news for you, just because I dnt agree with the bullshit you're spewing doesn't mean I'm ignorant or silly or whatever the fuck you want to call me. What's silly is you're sitting here trying to have a big dick contest behind the screen of a computer. People have been posting all kinds of links and they're all lies right? Everything u say is god and kosher right? We should all stop because god (you) said we are all ignorant or I'm ignorant or blah blah blah. Whatever. Get off your high holy horse and get the fuck off my back. Post whatever you want but dnt call us stupid or ignorant or whatever's clever for you. In reality, all you're doing is making yourself look like an ignorant asshole. And I dnt need to post a link for that.

I sympathize with the frustration here, I really do, but you guys are going to get this thread locked if you don't cut it out. I would be sad to see THIS thread locked. Please, if you want to call each other names and shit, please pm one another and let us keep this thread.

brianlux

backseatLover12 said:

It's nice to see that this thread supposedly about peace has been brought down to this debate. I guess...

Yes, exactly! And every effort to return the flow of this thread back to peace is outright ignored. Sad, very sad. If Ed were to read this thread I think that is precisely what he would say- "sad".

PJ_Soul

brianlux said:

backseatLover12 said:

It's nice to see that this thread supposedly about peace has been brought down to this debate. I guess...

Yes, exactly! And every effort to return the flow of this thread back to peace is outright ignored. Sad, very sad. If Ed were to read this thread I think that is precisely what he would say- "sad".

On the other hand, I bet Eddie really enjoys a good debate! I think it's good that people are are talking and debating about peace, why we (or they) don't have it, what might be done to find it, etc... There is always more to learn and consider. Just keep it civil.

rr165892

brianlux said:

backseatLover12 said:

It's nice to see that this thread supposedly about peace has been brought down to this debate. I guess...

Yes, exactly! And every effort to return the flow of this thread back to peace is outright ignored. Sad, very sad. If Ed were to read this thread I think that is precisely what he would say- "sad".

Brian,Im beginning to think you walk the earth barefoot in long flowing robes like a mix of Yoda and the Dali lama sprinkling flower pedals and chanting peace hymns.Am I close?lol

freshymad

Can you guys come over to the Gaza thread on AMT?

Please move your conversation to this thread. You have no idea how damaging it is for those of us who came to this thread after reading Eddie's plea for peace, looking for love and understanding, to read your hateful exchange that is ultimately only about who is right. Do any of you have a lover? Is this how your evenings unfold? Sivan, I'm not talking about you. Your firsthand experiences have enlightened me to your pain and hardship, which we in America cannot possibly fathom. Thank you so much for your words and your courage. I hope strongly for your country's peace.

Why you who are hating feel the need to have this argument on a public forum and not take it to a PM or call each other on the phone is beyond me. You have lost sight of those around you. 10 pages of it. You have drowned Eddie's original message and any feelings of hope I have that people can live in peace. I wish I could reach across this digital space and hold you in my arms and let you know there are millions of people out here who only want to be right about one thing: LOVE.

Imagine all the people ...

brianlux

rr165892 said:

brianlux said:

backseatLover12 said:

It's nice to see that this thread supposedly about peace has been brought down to this debate. I guess...

Yes, exactly! And every effort to return the flow of this thread back to peace is outright ignored. Sad, very sad. If Ed were to read this thread I think that is precisely what he would say- "sad".

Brian,Im beginning to think you walk the earth barefoot in long flowing robes like a mix of Yoda and the Dali lama sprinkling flower pedals and chanting peace hymns.Am I close?lol

Hahaha rr! That would be a sight!

No, I like to think of myself in a way Jimi Hendrix once suggested: "Instead of walking the street with, you guns and weapons, why don't we walk down the streets with, ah, electric guitars!" ... and fire off riffs of peace and love I might add. ;-)

brianlux

freshymad said:

Can you guys come over to the Gaza thread on AMT?

Please move your conversation to this thread. You have no idea how damaging it is for those of us who came to this thread after reading Eddie's plea for peace, looking for love and understanding, to read your hateful exchange that is ultimately only about who is right. Do any of you have a lover? Is this how your evenings unfold? Sivan, I'm not talking about you. Your firsthand experiences have enlightened me to your pain and hardship, which we in America cannot possibly fathom. Thank you so much for your words and your courage. I hope strongly for your country's peace.

Why you who are hating feel the need to have this argument on a public forum and not take it to a PM or call each other on the phone is beyond me. You have lost sight of those around you. 10 pages of it. You have drowned Eddie's original message and any feelings of hope I have that people can live in peace. I wish I could reach across this digital space and hold you in my arms and let you know there are millions of people out here who only want to be right about one thing: LOVE.

Imagine all the people ...

I couldn't agree more. This thread has lost what I'm guessing was Kat's original intent- to start a conversation about promoting peace and being optimistic about ending war. I share your feeling about how this conversation in this context feels damaging. If someone hands you a flower, do you throw it on the ground and pull a weed out of your pocket? Well, maybe, if it's good stuff and you share it.

Peace, people. Peace and love.

Leezestarr313

It is good that people are starting to educate themselves and become aware of what is going on. What I don't like is that especially discussions about this conflict, no matter what original topic they stem from, always get to a point where you want to step out of the convo and just not read anything about it anymore. And if you don't take a side and just say "I'm for peace, I want love in the world, not hate and bloodshed and violence" then you get drawn into debates and people try to force you onto their side. Wars are horrible, for everybody involved. How can a plea for peace and love and understanding, even on a music forum, spawn so much aggression?

Love one another. Be glad you can.

brianlux said:

Let's be a propaganda machine for Peace!

I'm on board with this.

JWPearl

At least im crazy for all the right reasons, im for peace but piss on my tyer I will make you sorry by just letting you think you got away with it lol
But I agree with ED...

Luckytwn1

PJ_Soul said:

badbrains said:

Luckytwn1 said:

badbrains said:

Luckytwn1 said:

SivanMerili said:

Man, if it was genocide, belive me Israel have the means to do it in few hours if that was their purpose..
Stop with the genocide bulls. Its so so so not true that no one is takking it seriously..
Even the famos 'goldstone report' ended with goldstones regret about it.

Seriously, nobody can look dumber than claiming Israel is conducting genocide. Words actually have meaning and either you'd have to have no understanding of the word or just be really stupid to say that.

As you point out, Israel could literally destroy Gaza in its entirety in an afternoon. All civilian deaths are tragic but the fact is that the care taken by Israel to avoid civilian casualties is why the death toll so far is low considering the density of the population and the size of the operation.

You no what, you keep talking shit and talking down to people who dnt agree with what you're saying. Are you trying to be a complete asshole or are you doing it by mistake? I've gotten a few pm messages telling me not to get into with u so I dnt get suspended. I'm trying real hard. But your posts are very attacking, like you're waiting for a response so you can run and tell and get me/whoever banned. Bro, stop being an asshole and post whatever you want and be respectful. I may not agree with u and the lady from Israel, but I'm not sitting here calling u dumb or her stupid. You're doing a fine job taking care of that for us.

Thanks for the pms guys, appreciate you guys reaching out. You have no idea what your words mean to me. Again, thanks!

It would never even remotely occur to me to spend even a second getting you banned. I don't want ignorance banned. I want it out in the open where we can expose it. I am simply responding as I see fit to someone who is posting untruths and doesn't have command of the facts as it pertains to Israel. If you're going to make silly statements like Israel is conducting genocide, then you should expect a response.

See, and there u are again talking shit. Again. Hey Einstein, got news for you, just because I dnt agree with the bullshit you're spewing doesn't mean I'm ignorant or silly or whatever the fuck you want to call me. What's silly is you're sitting here trying to have a big dick contest behind the screen of a computer. People have been posting all kinds of links and they're all lies right? Everything u say is god and kosher right? We should all stop because god (you) said we are all ignorant or I'm ignorant or blah blah blah. Whatever. Get off your high holy horse and get the fuck off my back. Post whatever you want but dnt call us stupid or ignorant or whatever's clever for you. In reality, all you're doing is making yourself look like an ignorant asshole. And I dnt need to post a link for that.

I sympathize with the frustration here, I really do, but you guys are going to get this thread locked if you don't cut it out. I would be sad to see THIS thread locked. Please, if you want to call each other names and shit, please pm one another and let us keep this thread.

I don't see any reason to lock the thread and certainly I've provided none but if it gets locked, so be it. I may be a 10C member since 1994 but I have been also active in supporting and defending Israel since well before I ever heard of Pearl Jam. I'm sorry but there have been things said in this thread that should not be allowed to stand without response.