Imagine That -- I’m Still Anti-War

SivanMerili

No no no.. They said Hamas must disarm from their weapon.
Dont get confused..
They know, Europe lives the same threat from inside..
Egypt/Jorden alienate Hamas, islamic jihad and ISIS.
They know that the terror threatens their countrys.
The end of 'the muslim brothers' in egypt is the best thing that ever happen to them.
Unfortunetaly they are dealing with havyer threat - DAASH (look for ISIS).
You cant read about it. Google it.

Now i must sleap.
Good night for those who cherish lives.
And hoping for the people in gaza and for us for the end of Hamas soon.

Peace over our heads.

JimmyV

"I would rather be naïve, heartfelt and hopeful than resigned to say
nothing for fear of misinterpretation and retribution."

-- Eddie Vedder

josevolution

So wait the only one's at fault are the Palestinians oh ok got it ....

shortstack

JimmyV said:

"I would rather be naïve, heartfelt and hopeful than resigned to say
nothing for fear of misinterpretation and retribution."

-- Eddie Vedder

...but only as long as it's not brought up at shows, because you want to keep it about the music. right?

rr165892

badbrains said:

I just read the EU along on Hamas to disarm And in the SAME article they told Israel to the invasion to. What's your point? They said both sides need to stop, haven't we all been saying that?

And RR, now I'm really confused. One minute you're saying both sides this both sides that and now all of a sudden your holding "down" the fort in AMT in the gaza thread? Flip flopper? Confused? It's ok man, we're all a little confused lol.

BB,Gotta take a break from world affairs on my way To Def Leppard/Kiss concert.So tonight is rock,tomorrow or later I will respond.cheers

JimmyV

shortstack said:

JimmyV said:

"I would rather be naïve, heartfelt and hopeful than resigned to say
nothing for fear of misinterpretation and retribution."

-- Eddie Vedder

...but only as long as it's not brought up at shows, because you want to keep it about the music. right?

Obviously you misinterpreted that post. Eddie, much like any other artist, is free to say whatever he likes while on stage. My desire to keep it about the music regards we the fans. No, I do not want to see a peace chant and all the companion grumbling become a trademark of Pearl Jam's fall tour. I want it to be about the music. Eddie's politics are part of the show. Yours and mine aren't required.

badbrains

rr165892 said:

badbrains said:

I just read the EU along on Hamas to disarm And in the SAME article they told Israel to the invasion to. What's your point? They said both sides need to stop, haven't we all been saying that?

And RR, now I'm really confused. One minute you're saying both sides this both sides that and now all of a sudden your holding "down" the fort in AMT in the gaza thread? Flip flopper? Confused? It's ok man, we're all a little confused lol.

BB,Gotta take a break from world affairs on my way To Def Leppard/Kiss concert.So tonight is rock,tomorrow or later I will respond.cheers

Def leopard/kiss, wtf, ok now I'm officially done with you man! I have nothing left to say...............pour some sugar on the mrs )

PJ_Soul

rr165892 said:

SivanMerili said:

We will stop when we feel safe.
As long as the area will keep threting us from many reasons, we keep fighting for our right to live here in peace. We are here to stay. Thats a fact.
You want to eccept it? We find peace.
You want to deny our rights we will keep fighting. More blood, more war, more death, more sorrow, more pain, more cry, more ani-war speaches..
The cycle that will never end as long as the terror will keep their head above.

Hehehe im so happy with the europian call!

Disarm Hamas!

Your not the only one who thinks Hamas is a Terror orginazations.Welcome to the "discussion".Feel free to join us in the Gaza thread in A M T for the r rated conversation.We go in circles,but I'm pretty sure we all learn a little something.Come on down,I've kinda been holding down the fort myself.

Is there actually a debate about whether or not Hamas is a terrorist organization? I thought that was pretty much fact.

OMGkatwoman

weddingparade said:

i'm guessing i'm like a lot of people and am pretty ignorant to all the issues involved behind most wars, but i will say this. in my heart i still wonder why we haven't all come together more as a human race. i think things are getting better but i can see why ed(and myself) get pissed off about it. we are destroying ourselves, and our planet. it's sickening
ed is doing the right thing by creating conversation/awareness, which is also why i hope the internet will someday unite us all as ONE race. to coexist, and to be aware, in the moment, is where we all need to be. i think it just takes more time. i also think of how far we have come so far. slavery is not something that happened 200 years ago in the usa. it's recent history. we are all getting smarter. that is my hope.

Well said!

eldarion75

Hope they play hysteria. It'd be fitting

JimmyV

Hope they play hysteria. It'd be fitting

Perhaps a bit more apropos...

http://youtu.be/wiDC7OsRAM0

badbrains

eldarion75 said:

Hope they play hysteria. It'd be fitting

First encore!!!!! That shit was funny eldarion, bravo, funny shit my man. )

northcountrygirl

mandm621 said:

northcountrygirl said:

Sigh! All we are saying...is give peace a chance....

Best thing posted so far! thanks,

But they don't seem to hear do they? Man will always find justification for doing mad things but whatever the reasons, we all weep.....

Eddieshometown

I think Getaway as some glimpses of imagine in it. " "Sometimes you got to put all your faith in no faith. ". Is Eddie's way of saying "Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too"

2-feign-reluctance

7000! Be right back!

PP193448

I'm not taking any sides, cause I'm ignorant about the entire situation...

But I can definitely say... No matter which side... Bombing a hospital is just plain fucked up!!! Especially if those same hospitals are caring for injured civilians in the wrong place at the right time...

Luckytwn1

badbrains said:

EdsonNascimento said:

badbrains said:

SivanMerili said:

Badbrains,

I was born in Israel. This is the fact. Some of the Gazan civilianze were born here as well. Hamas is a terror cell that filtered in with a clear and loud ideology - jihad.
You can read it in their platform.

You dont know. Feading up from the media is definitely not knowing.
Knowing is living and breathing the situation daily, every second and minute.

I remind you 9/11. Please tell how it felt?
Was it fun? Did you thought that you are the one to blame and not al-quaidda? How you felt when Binnladen was wiped from earth? Millions of civilianze were killed by the us in the name of justice.
Is it because the us wanted to kill them?
You think the us should have set aside and not doing nothing?

Media? Here in America?? You're kidding right? I spoke out and continue to speak out against Iraq or Afghanistan. I also know that things aren't as simple as people say they are. I see you got to go and see pearl jam in Europe this past tour, must be nice to be able to leave Israel as you please and go travel to see pearl jam. Lucky you, shit, a Palestinian living in gaza can't even take a piss or shit without getting the ok from your regime. I told you, I feel for you for what you're going through, BUT I also feel MORE for the Palestinians who can't even breathe or look outside their window or even go out and kick a fucken soccer ball around on the beach without getting killed. See, it's horrible on the otherside too...

Do you think it's right under any circumstances to put your leaders and weapons in the middle of civilian areas, including their houses, hospitals, social areas and schools?

Listen, just because some of the "main" media are pushing this script around, doesn't mean I need to believe it. U believe what u want and I'll do the same. I'm just showing the other side. If you want I can start posting the pics of the bodies but I figured I'd leave those out to save the people the disgusting images coming out of gaza. But, we can if you want.

So the UN was lying when they announced they found Hamas missiles stashed in UN sanctioned schools for the second time?

As far as your concern for the Palestinians, many more Palestinians are being killed in Syria right this second than there are Palestinians dying in Gaza and in fact, people are spreading pictures of Palestinian dead that in many cases are actually from Syria and not Gaza. Yet, I don't see you showing any concern for those deaths. The reality is your posts show less a concern for the Palestinian people and rather a complete hatred of Israel.

The reason why the EU came out with such a strong statement of support for Israel's right to self defense today is the same reason all 535 Senators and Representatives here in the US did, it is the only sensible response by a democracy. Israel is entitled to defend itself in response to widespread attacks by a terrorist organization and it will continue to do so.

brianlux

marilor said:

hedonist said:

And the divide continues. Either/or, here/there, support/oppose.

I keep envisioning antlers entwined.

Not sure if in this or the myriad of other related (and similarly-headed) threads, I believe Brad Klausen spoke of duality, how it separates. Seems this has gone that path, at least for the most part.

So it goes. And goes.

Common sense...as usual in your posts (in my opinion)...:-)

Yeah, I'll second that,

The irony, as I see it, is that the original quote in this thread is an earnest expression of hope for and plea for peace and here we discuss whether or not it was OK to incinerate everyone in two cities with nuclear bombs. I suppose we could also argue the justification or lack thereof for the carpet bombing of other Japanese cities in WWII or the fire storm caused by unrelenting bombing of Dresden or the use of napalm in Vietnam or the dumping of tubs of boiling oil dumped over castle walls onto people's heads or any of the other myriad horrors of the history of war but why can't we talk about peace? Isn't that what this thread is about? "Give peace a chance". Can we focus on that as well?

SivanMerili

If i had the conv recorded between a israeli civilian from Sderot and a gazan civilian, i would have posted it here.
The gazan said: please dont stop. Continue. We can take it at least fir another week. The people in gaza starts to understand the horror of hamas. Please dont stop!
Im looking for the video, hoping to find it.
They ended the conv with a mutul wishes to meet again very soon, like they were back at the 80's before the terror cell took control over Gaza.

I must say, it brought me to tears.

rr165892

badbrains said:

rr165892 said:

badbrains said:

I just read the EU along on Hamas to disarm And in the SAME article they told Israel to the invasion to. What's your point? They said both sides need to stop, haven't we all been saying that?

And RR, now I'm really confused. One minute you're saying both sides this both sides that and now all of a sudden your holding "down" the fort in AMT in the gaza thread? Flip flopper? Confused? It's ok man, we're all a little confused lol.

BB,Gotta take a break from world affairs on my way To Def Leppard/Kiss concert.So tonight is rock,tomorrow or later I will respond.cheers

Def leopard/kiss, wtf, ok now I'm officially done with you man! I have nothing left to say...............pour some sugar on the mrs )

Yeah,yeah get your jabs in But Def Leppard still rocks,and Kiss still has a crazy stage show.I prefer the pre Hysteria Def Leppard thank you and Rock of Ages then Photograph was the encore, but nicely placed shot fellas,well played.The Mrs had to bail on the festivities so I took my daughter who is a College soph who does go to a lot of shows with us,she thought she was the youngest there,and said it didn't come close to being up front at a PJ show or a Foo Fighters show.Smart kid