I said if "I" were to go into Mexico illegally. It's a hypothetical statement to use as an example. It's a very good example because of the irony. I said you can try to enter any other country illegally because it wouldn't matter what country because the result would be the same. Comprende? While we are at it we should just tear up the constitution and pretend that never existed because lately the constitution appears to not exist. What's up with all the "you conservative" bullshit? I voted for Obama in 08 fyi. I don't like tying myself down to a particular party. I dont vote for someone only because they are democrat or republican. I'm not afraid to admit when we have a serious problem in washington. I don't care what party anyone is associated with. I recognize bullshit regardless of the Party and call them out. Is this president infallible? It seems to some he is.
oh cute how you say comprende when referring to crossing into mexico illegally.
serious question. why would anybody seek to enter mexico illegally, even in your hypothetical scenario?
and another serious question, why does it seem like the constitution does not exist? what has specifically been violated lately? what amendment has been violated? what part of it has been torn up?
for your information, i do not vote for people based only on party affiliation. sometimes i vote to prevent somebody from taking office. i voted for kerry to keep bush from winning. i voted for obama to keep palin out of the white house. and as long as you are going on about me calling out conservatives, name me one single thing that the conservatives have gotten right about anything in the last 5 years. just one thing, and you win a cigar at the next show. one thing.
and no, this president is not infallible. if anything, he is just a survivor because he has managed to stay in office and get a small part of his agenda accomplished in the face of congressional opposition that has not been seen in my lifetime. he won in a landslide twice, and he has only managed to get a small part of the agenda that the american people voted for done solely because of conservative opposition.
http://tisaboutfreedom.wordpress.com/2013/03/27/a-list-of-obamas-constitutional-violations/ You say you don't vote based on party affiliation and then your very next sentence is your voting to vote against another party!?! Based on reading many of your posts you clearly have a disdain for anything and everything conservative. Fyi there needs to be a middle ground. Not far right and not far left. Bill Clinton understood that and that's why he got a lot accomplished and was our last good president. Our current one is way too far left. It's his way or no way thus all the Executive Orders. Fyi the Dems control the white house for the last 6 years and the Senate for the last 8 and from 2009-2011 had complete control of president, Congress, and Senate.. So your real question should be: what have the DEMS gotten right in the last 5 years?
Stock market all time high
Unemployment pre recession
Repeal DADT
Stayed out if Libya and Syria and now Iraq.
Healthcare for all no preexisting conditions.
Staying out of Colorado and Washington's voters decisions.
You won the lottery of life. Screw everyone else- it's their tough luck for being born in an inferior country.
See that's funny, I'm not denying a single person the ability to come here, I just expect them to go the legal way.
You might not know this, but the legal way isn't user friendly. Minus an exception here and an exception there... your country doesn't exactly embrace immigrants unless they've got something really special to offer.
This sounds cold, but tough shit. Life isn't fair. Should the US just let anyone in the world come here who wants to? Where do you draw the line??
It has often been stated that we rely on illegal immigrants for labor so much that to turn them away is hypocritical. Thoughts on how to address that?
yes ,remove the problem and the demand for immigrant labor will stop and this country will do as it has done many times in the past "adjust" and move on.
It has often been stated that we rely on illegal immigrants for labor so much that to turn them away is hypocritical. Thoughts on how to address that?
yes ,remove the problem and the demand for immigrant labor will stop and this country will do as it has done many times in the past "adjust" and move on.
Godfather.
Only problem, GF, is good luck finding people to do that kind of work. I did picking for a few few summers once- killer hard work, low pay.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Modern Marvles, technology is and will continue to keep moving forward,I'm sure there is enough machinery out ther to pick what ever it is growing on the farms. honestly Bro I think this argument for pickers is a little crazy,it like the supporters for immigration are grasping for straws and coming up with anything they can real or not to defend their cause and even at that they can get seasonal work permits can't they ? insted of coming here ilegally .
It has often been stated that we rely on illegal immigrants for labor so much that to turn them away is hypocritical. Thoughts on how to address that?
yes ,remove the problem and the demand for immigrant labor will stop and this country will do as it has done many times in the past "adjust" and move on.
Godfather.
Adjustment could have catastrophic results. May be good in the end as lazy teens would have to again cut the grass.
Construction would be severely affected. Restaurants. Far reaching aspects.
Course this won't happen as big donors to both parties benefit from cheap un-represented labor. It's all a farce people.
Imagine if 11 million people suddenly left the US.
Modern Marvles, technology is and will continue to keep moving forward,I'm sure there is enough machinery out ther to pick what ever it is growing on the farms. honestly Bro I think this argument for pickers is a little crazy,it like the supporters for immigration are grasping for straws and coming up with anything they can real or not to defend their cause and even at that they can get seasonal work permits can't they ? insted of coming here ilegally .
Godfather.
I agree.
Enough of everyone reflecting on how much produce might cost if the US was successful at preventing Mexicans from crossing the border. People are talking of the Mexican immigrants as if all they are good for is picking fruit.
The entire situation is a difficult one, but two things keep getting neglected in this discussion:
1. The US is largely responsible for the illegal drug industry that has gutted Mexico. Some of the same people that get high on drugs produced and imported from Mexico are the ones that wish for a higher and more resilient wall. This is a pretty callous and selfish attitude. You likely can't see the blood on the drugs you take, but trust me when I say it's there.
2. The legal channels do not offer much- if any- promise at all for Mexican people looking to seek refuge from a country that offers them very little hope outside of changing sheets in an all-inclusive resort or joining one side of the drug war or the other. By stating, "Immigrants looking to enter America need to do so as the law provides for"... people are propping up their position with unfair legal backing that supports their attitudes very well, but fails to take into account the compassion and understanding necessary to support every individual potential immigrant situation as a unique and isolated situation.
It has often been stated that we rely on illegal immigrants for labor so much that to turn them away is hypocritical. Thoughts on how to address that?
yes ,remove the problem and the demand for immigrant labor will stop and this country will do as it has done many times in the past "adjust" and move on.
Godfather.
Adjustment could have catastrophic results. May be good in the end as lazy teens would have to again cut the grass.
Construction would be severely affected. Restaurants. Far reaching aspects.
Course this won't happen as big donors to both parties benefit from cheap un-represented labor. It's all a farce people.
Imagine if 11 million people suddenly left the US.
I grew up in the construction trades, the illegal immigrants you speak of did not come here to do jobs in the construction field that Americans did not want,anybody who believes that has no clue, they came in working for in many cases less than half of the going hourly wage and in fact they used to say Americans want too much money to work. Illegal immigration has ruined the construction trades for Americans and that my friend is cold hard fact.
It has often been stated that we rely on illegal immigrants for labor so much that to turn them away is hypocritical. Thoughts on how to address that?
yes ,remove the problem and the demand for immigrant labor will stop and this country will do as it has done many times in the past "adjust" and move on.
Godfather.
Adjustment could have catastrophic results. May be good in the end as lazy teens would have to again cut the grass.
Construction would be severely affected. Restaurants. Far reaching aspects.
Course this won't happen as big donors to both parties benefit from cheap un-represented labor. It's all a farce people.
Imagine if 11 million people suddenly left the US.
I grew up in the construction trades, the illegal immigrants you speak of did not come here to do jobs in the construction field that Americans did not want,anybody who believes that has no clue, they came in working for in many cases less than half of the going hourly wage and in fact they used to say Americans want too much money to work. Illegal immigration has ruined the construction trades for Americans and that my friend is cold hard fact.
Godfather.
Agree and this is a problem. Has caused huge shift in available jobs for blue collar skilled Americans. Affecting me as well. But most Americans benefit from cheaper housing. And overall would argue our GDP is higher with illegals, rightly or not. BUT at least in Texas it's the republican owned construction companies that hire them. Blaming illegals is skirting the real issue.
Lol at the "come here legally" argument... I think I already said this here once, but here it goes again: I own a house, 2 cars and have a pretty decent job in IT. I'm half French, half Mexican...so I don't look like your common fruit picker. I'm not rich, but I do OK. A few years ago I tried, for the first time, to get a tourist american visa, so I could attend a job conference (it was in Orlando, I think). Well, it was rejected. I tried again 6 months later... rejected again.... Apparently there was not enough evidence I would be coming back. I can only imagine what happens when Jesus in rags and sandals, with 3 pesos in his pockets tries to apply for one...
You guys can be all you want against illegal immigration, but stop fooling yourselves with that "feel good" argument. It's not real, and just doesn't work.
Mexico City - July 17th 2003
Mexico City - July 18th 2003
Mexico City - July 19th 2003
Monterrey - December 7th 2005
Mexico City - December 9th 2005
Mexico City - December 10th 2005
Mexico City - November 24th 2011
It has often been stated that we rely on illegal immigrants for labor so much that to turn them away is hypocritical. Thoughts on how to address that?
yes ,remove the problem and the demand for immigrant labor will stop and this country will do as it has done many times in the past "adjust" and move on.
Godfather.
Adjustment could have catastrophic results. May be good in the end as lazy teens would have to again cut the grass.
Construction would be severely affected. Restaurants. Far reaching aspects.
Course this won't happen as big donors to both parties benefit from cheap un-represented labor. It's all a farce people.
Imagine if 11 million people suddenly left the US.
I grew up in the construction trades, the illegal immigrants you speak of did not come here to do jobs in the construction field that Americans did not want,anybody who believes that has no clue, they came in working for in many cases less than half of the going hourly wage and in fact they used to say Americans want too much money to work. Illegal immigration has ruined the construction trades for Americans and that my friend is cold hard fact.
Godfather.
No, the greed of the builders hiring a crew at less than going rate for same work in a given area. THAT is what the problem is. The explosion in building that was occurring up to the housing crash fed into it. Think about it, inflated housing prices, lower cost to build because of immigrant crews willing to work their asses off for quicker turn around times coupled with a lending environment that had people foolishly thinking they could handle payments.
I used to work in low voltage wiring (alarms, CCTV, data, Tv), I can recall wondering out loud just WHO it was buying all these houses back then.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
the only people profiting off those immigrant built homes was/is the contractors,in california houses sell at market value not the construction cost, and as far working their ass's off for for lower pay they have no argument to stand with,first off they should not be here and 2nd they came in offering to work for lower pay so as far as the immigrants are concerned they set them selfs up for that.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
If James Howard Kunstler, Richard Heinberg and others are right about peak oil becoming a reality, a large percentage of the population will be involved in food production and the "price of food" argument will be a moot point. Meanwhile, it does factor in. We Americans are used to getting what we want and getting it cheaply and that is definitely at least partly how we encourage illegal immigration and foreign farm workers. As a society, we're cheap and we're soft.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
yes as a society we are fucking soft, damn spoiled & catered too. in all actuality this fucking sucks & i dislike people like this. therefore i love mexicans. callen put up a link to a video, "a day without a mexican" that well off family w/ the asshole for a husband & dad & the huge ass home... yes i know it's a bit of a comedy... fuckers like that make me ill
anybody see the twitter fail by the arizona candidate who took a picture of a school bus filled with local kids headed to a ymca and tweeted that it was illegal immigrants headed to the place where they are being held??
jon stewart is probably going to have fun with that one tonight...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
If the builders werent soooo willing to employ these workers then they wouldnt have THAT work to "steal" to begin with.
that's so true,these people/contractors when cought should be arrested and charged , there is bakery in san diego close to the border that was shut down and fined because they employed illegal's they even made fake papers for them but less than a year later they are back in business. (S & S bakery in chula vista)
It has often been stated that we rely on illegal immigrants for labor so much that to turn them away is hypocritical. Thoughts on how to address that?
yes ,remove the problem and the demand for immigrant labor will stop and this country will do as it has done many times in the past "adjust" and move on.
Godfather.
Adjustment could have catastrophic results. May be good in the end as lazy teens would have to again cut the grass.
Construction would be severely affected. Restaurants. Far reaching aspects.
Course this won't happen as big donors to both parties benefit from cheap un-represented labor. It's all a farce people.
Imagine if 11 million people suddenly left the US.
I grew up in the construction trades, the illegal immigrants you speak of did not come here to do jobs in the construction field that Americans did not want,anybody who believes that has no clue, they came in working for in many cases less than half of the going hourly wage and in fact they used to say Americans want too much money to work. Illegal immigration has ruined the construction trades for Americans and that my friend is cold hard fact.
Godfather.
This is a true statement. I did residential electrical work for ten years.
It has often been stated that we rely on illegal immigrants for labor so much that to turn them away is hypocritical. Thoughts on how to address that?
yes ,remove the problem and the demand for immigrant labor will stop and this country will do as it has done many times in the past "adjust" and move on.
Godfather.
Adjustment could have catastrophic results. May be good in the end as lazy teens would have to again cut the grass.
Construction would be severely affected. Restaurants. Far reaching aspects.
Course this won't happen as big donors to both parties benefit from cheap un-represented labor. It's all a farce people.
Imagine if 11 million people suddenly left the US.
I grew up in the construction trades, the illegal immigrants you speak of did not come here to do jobs in the construction field that Americans did not want,anybody who believes that has no clue, they came in working for in many cases less than half of the going hourly wage and in fact they used to say Americans want too much money to work. Illegal immigration has ruined the construction trades for Americans and that my friend is cold hard fact.
Godfather.
Agree and this is a problem. Has caused huge shift in available jobs for blue collar skilled Americans. Affecting me as well. But most Americans benefit from cheaper housing. And overall would argue our GDP is higher with illegals, rightly or not. BUT at least in Texas it's the republican owned construction companies that hire them. Blaming illegals is skirting the real issue.
The only one that benefits is the builder, he doesn't mark his houses down because illegal aliens are building them.
It has often been stated that we rely on illegal immigrants for labor so much that to turn them away is hypocritical. Thoughts on how to address that?
yes ,remove the problem and the demand for immigrant labor will stop and this country will do as it has done many times in the past "adjust" and move on.
Godfather.
Adjustment could have catastrophic results. May be good in the end as lazy teens would have to again cut the grass.
Construction would be severely affected. Restaurants. Far reaching aspects.
Course this won't happen as big donors to both parties benefit from cheap un-represented labor. It's all a farce people.
Imagine if 11 million people suddenly left the US.
I grew up in the construction trades, the illegal immigrants you speak of did not come here to do jobs in the construction field that Americans did not want,anybody who believes that has no clue, they came in working for in many cases less than half of the going hourly wage and in fact they used to say Americans want too much money to work. Illegal immigration has ruined the construction trades for Americans and that my friend is cold hard fact.
Godfather.
Agree and this is a problem. Has caused huge shift in available jobs for blue collar skilled Americans. Affecting me as well. But most Americans benefit from cheaper housing. And overall would argue our GDP is higher with illegals, rightly or not. BUT at least in Texas it's the republican owned construction companies that hire them. Blaming illegals is skirting the real issue.
The only one that benefits is the builder, he doesn't mark his houses down because illegal aliens are building them.
In a competitive market builders do compete. Lands cheap and plentiful in a Texas and people are price conscious. Free market. Listened to story on radio and they interviewed guy that said he has to use illegals cause all his competitors do. Said easy to get around cause he hires all as independent contractors so has no legal obligations. How it's done. And these owners are republican and of course dems. I know sound like broken record but let's stop hating on illegals. They're just poor suffering humans ghat risk everything for what we take for granted. If I lived in Honduras not sure if I'd have the balls. These are hard working desperate humans.
Let me share a little story.I have a specialty Construction Firm.We have been in our market place for decades and I have built a great rep within my field.We are known for our quality and service and don't come cheap. We run a very tight ship.No one works for me without full license,Insurance,Workers Comp etc.We audit our Sub crews all the time making sure the employes of the tradesmen/company's we hire are all legal and properly covered by comp. A few years back,a sub contractor had an employee not show up.Without informing my office this dickhead went and got a laborer off a street corner and brought him on my job. He then not only had him doing basic labor but had him working on tougher things that involved the need for safety PPEs.This laborer.Not being trained or supervised proceeded to get metal in his eye.Long story short,this20 year old kid ended up losing vision in the eye.When I became aware many months later after being served papers,I found out this kid was an illegal alien who lied about his status,had no drivers license ,Dosent pay taxes,or SS but as it turns out is eligible for full government comp benefits and My company was held responsible.We got dropped by our comp carrier and now pay many thousands a year more then we did back then.Remember even with all our due diligence we still are on the hook.Even though this kid was indeed breaking the law he still gets everything at my expense.Now who pays for my increased Comp?My clients,and the cycle continues. This is just one problem with the immigration issue.And to be clear my wife is from England and it took her years to become a US citizen but she did it the proper way,
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Unemployment pre recession
Repeal DADT
Stayed out if Libya and Syria and now Iraq.
Healthcare for all no preexisting conditions.
Staying out of Colorado and Washington's voters decisions.
Liberal Supreme Court nominations.
Piss off white bigots.
Perfect of course not.
This sounds cold, but tough shit. Life isn't fair. Should the US just let anyone in the world come here who wants to? Where do you draw the line??
Was a comedy done on this but can't remember the name.
Glad I can add joy to your life.
Godfather.
honestly Bro I think this argument for pickers is a little crazy,it like the supporters for immigration are grasping for straws and coming up with anything they can real or not to defend their cause and even at that they can get seasonal work permits can't they ? insted of coming here ilegally .
Godfather.
Construction would be severely affected. Restaurants. Far reaching aspects.
Course this won't happen as big donors to both parties benefit from cheap un-represented labor. It's all a farce people.
Imagine if 11 million people suddenly left the US.
Enough of everyone reflecting on how much produce might cost if the US was successful at preventing Mexicans from crossing the border. People are talking of the Mexican immigrants as if all they are good for is picking fruit.
The entire situation is a difficult one, but two things keep getting neglected in this discussion:
1. The US is largely responsible for the illegal drug industry that has gutted Mexico. Some of the same people that get high on drugs produced and imported from Mexico are the ones that wish for a higher and more resilient wall. This is a pretty callous and selfish attitude. You likely can't see the blood on the drugs you take, but trust me when I say it's there.
2. The legal channels do not offer much- if any- promise at all for Mexican people looking to seek refuge from a country that offers them very little hope outside of changing sheets in an all-inclusive resort or joining one side of the drug war or the other. By stating, "Immigrants looking to enter America need to do so as the law provides for"... people are propping up their position with unfair legal backing that supports their attitudes very well, but fails to take into account the compassion and understanding necessary to support every individual potential immigrant situation as a unique and isolated situation.
Illegal immigration has ruined the construction trades for Americans and that my friend is cold hard fact.
Godfather.
A few years ago I tried, for the first time, to get a tourist american visa, so I could attend a job conference (it was in Orlando, I think). Well, it was rejected. I tried again 6 months later... rejected again.... Apparently there was not enough evidence I would be coming back.
I can only imagine what happens when Jesus in rags and sandals, with 3 pesos in his pockets tries to apply for one...
You guys can be all you want against illegal immigration, but stop fooling yourselves with that "feel good" argument. It's not real, and just doesn't work.
Mexico City - July 18th 2003
Mexico City - July 19th 2003
Monterrey - December 7th 2005
Mexico City - December 9th 2005
Mexico City - December 10th 2005
Mexico City - November 24th 2011
I used to work in low voltage wiring (alarms, CCTV, data, Tv), I can recall wondering out loud just WHO it was buying all these houses back then.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Godfather.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
:-?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
jon stewart is probably going to have fun with that one tonight...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Godfather.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
This is a true statement. I did residential electrical work for ten years.
A few years back,a sub contractor had an employee not show up.Without informing my office this dickhead went and got a laborer off a street corner and brought him on my job. He then not only had him doing basic labor but had him working on tougher things that involved the need for safety PPEs.This laborer.Not being trained or supervised proceeded to get metal in his eye.Long story short,this20 year old kid ended up losing vision in the eye.When I became aware many months later after being served papers,I found out this kid was an illegal alien who lied about his status,had no drivers license ,Dosent pay taxes,or SS but as it turns out is eligible for full government comp benefits and My company was held responsible.We got dropped by our comp carrier and now pay many thousands a year more then we did back then.Remember even with all our due diligence we still are on the hook.Even though this kid was indeed breaking the law he still gets everything at my expense.Now who pays for my increased Comp?My clients,and the cycle continues.
This is just one problem with the immigration issue.And to be clear my wife is from England and it took her years to become a US citizen but she did it the proper way,