^^^ I'm envious of the world you live in, Aafke- a place where rarely do people walk around with guns a place where non-violence is more the norm. My heart aches to be somewhere like that.
It'd be nice for sure but here, just not realistic.
Aafke - I don't live in fear of violence, by the way. But should it find me, I can't see passively responding to an attack.
Hedonist,never in fear ,but vigilant and not naive about what potentially could be issues,yeah?
^^^ I'm envious of the world you live in, Aafke- a place where rarely do people walk around with guns a place where non-violence is more the norm. My heart aches to be somewhere like that.
Uh Isnt pot also legal??
That's a difficult one... It's not legal to sell... but it's legal to smoke... They call it a "gedoogbeleid", which translated means something like "policy of tolerance", which means, somewhere between legal and illegal. But the think of more restrictions every day, not selling to tourists is one of the proposals, because of the drugs tourism, Less places in town to sell, etc, etc.
I think it's stupid to do it in this half way manner. The producers are still criminals, and cost the state a lot of many and police time. Also the amount of THC in the pot is so high at the moment that you count question the term soft drug. If it was legal, the state could, ban out the criminals, and take over the business, Earning money on the dope instead of spending money on it, and at the same time, control the amount of THC and keep it safe for users...
But the state is afraid for repercussions of the surrounding counties so they stay with this, lame law...
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"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Hedonist I don;t say any of you is walking around paranoid of fear, it's just my observation, that most of you go into fight mode as soon as is suggested that you are under attack. Most of us don't have that reaction as quickly as you, we just react differently, we don't act passively on every attack but maybe more pacifically, as I stated before, we are more likely to use words than fists...
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
^^^ I'm envious of the world you live in, Aafke- a place where rarely do people walk around with guns a place where non-violence is more the norm. My heart aches to be somewhere like that.
Uh Isnt pot also legal??
Yeah, don't get me wrong, there are plenty of good things about this country but it sure feels like the ground keeps getting shakier and I don't feel like this country is as safe a place as it once was. I wish and hope I was/am wrong about that. Thirty, forty years ago very few people walked around packing heat, only law enforcement people carried pepper spray (it used to be called "mace"), women were more free to walk to there car at night, kids could play out on the street and the term "road rage" had not entered our vocabulary.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Hedonist I don;t say any of you is walking around paranoid of fear, it's just my observation, that most of you go into fight mode as soon as is suggested that you are under attack. Most of us don't have that reaction as quickly as you, we just react differently, we don't act passively on every attack but maybe more pacifically, as I stated before, we are more likely to use words than fists...
Not suggested I'm under attack but actually under attack. I'm aware of my surroundings and the people around me. Common sense and instinct.
Eyes being open is in no way tantamount to having a hard heart or being aggressive (though sometimes certain situations call for it; may I rise to that occasion should it ever happen).
Also, speaking of pot - nice little aside. Went to my local MM dispensary after work (TRYING, to no avail, to avoid the Obama trafficblocks - he's staying literally next door to where we live). So I get rung up, the total seems too low and I say so. Miscalculation on their part, and I got a free J for my honesty. Kinda sad that honesty is so rare to be rewarded, but hell - wasn't gonna refuse
Lastly, I really appreciate how respectful such a passionate and potentially-heated subject has gone. Always other roads for debate can be taken, and I'm glad this one isn't a war of words and thoughts.
Just jet found this article about the differences between the US and Dutch societies. Dutch society has had for ages one ground rule: Live and Let live Wilders tries to ruin this, but as stated in the article when tragedy strikes, differences disappear, and we become one, we mourn together without making much fuss out of it...
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Well, lets get back on topic, Gods and Killing... Does anyone has a reasonable answer for this question off a God...?
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Yes, I know, it;s a silly account, but the question: If all religions advocate peace, Why do the ones who claim to be true believers, all fight, the most horrific wars in the name off their Gods, is a valid one in my opinion. Are extremist no matter what religion they have, who fight wars, true believers if the religion advocates peace?
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
I also think it has something to do with setting boundaries between religions which have grown out of the same roots. By focusing on the differences, the founders where able to separate themselves from the main religion. Accept when they became a formal religion, they still focused on the differences, and all three religions claim to have the one true God,
Sure, everyone has the right to belief what he or she feels most related to, but being part of one religion does make you in the eyes of that religion, better than other humans from a different belief system, maybe it's human to focus on the differences, give everything a specific value...
But I think this is the reason why I don't like organised religions at all...
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Well, I can see how some think and live that way if that's all they know, or choose to know. By the same token, I also know the environment in which I was raised never espoused superiority. The opposite, in fact - in humility, open-mindedness, and the ability to accept when wrong (and hopefully learn from it). How life is a path to be found and explored, but never imposed.
The thing with extremists is they get face-time. They're the ones we hear about and shake our collective heads at their actions and hate and insistence others see and live life exactly as they deem. Most reasonable people reject that.
There are so many more who go about their business, who are charitable, polite, hard-working...those who live by the tenets of their religion but not frothing over them...understanding, accepting, their fallibility and trying to become better parents, friends, sisters, etc., without pointing fingers or damning their neighbors to hell.
It provides those who need it a sense of community.A place to go to be around like minded people who share similar views of the world and their place in it.
Yes, I know, it;s a silly account, but the question: If all religions advocate peace, Why do the ones who claim to be true believers, all fight, the most horrific wars in the name off their Gods, is a valid one in my opinion. Are extremist no matter what religion they have, who fight wars, true believers if the religion advocates peace?
Get what your saying. Think religions aren't though about peace. They're about recruiting as any members to become the dominant religion. And add the threats if one doesn't conform and not much peace. Sad.
It's too bad, the painting of religions (and by proxy, those who practice) as devious and indoctrinators.
I've met, even know, some people who think all Muslims are controlling, evil. Those who think Latinos are typically lazy...that black people are violent, out for themselves.
No different than the closed mindsets attached to religion...strikes me as prejudice as well.
I don't know...I just wish those who harbor those views could separate the decent from the assholes like Westboro. Seems that luxury is afforded to most groups, why not to Jews, Christians, Muslims, etc.?
I know a lot of open-minded Jews, Christians and Muslims in my family and friends, I know not every religious person, is a power lusted maniac. and many of the ones with no religious belief at all are. But what I see happening in my society is that very open-minded friends of mine, with different religious backgrounds, are at each others throats all of a sudden, about the conflict in Gaza, people who before the outburst of publicity about this war, where good friends... The religions are polarizing this war. and that scares me...
Personally, I don't believe in any God, because I strongly object against authority. Dictatorships don't work on earth, and men are created in the likeness of God, why would it work in Heaven? Besides every human has some good and some bad in them, and no human is pure good or evil, so why would any human get an eternal punishment or eternal peace? But these are my personal ideas, It doesn't mean at all that those who believe in waht ever religion are less in my opinion, just different, in there religious views...
Live and let live...
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
It's too bad, the painting of religions (and by proxy, those who practice) as devious and indoctrinators.
I've met, even know, some people who think all Muslims are controlling, evil. Those who think Latinos are typically lazy...that black people are violent, out for themselves.
No different than the closed mindsets attached to religion...strikes me as prejudice as well.
I don't know...I just wish those who harbor those views could separate the decent from the assholes like Westboro. Seems that luxury is afforded to most groups, why not to Jews, Christians, Muslims, etc.?
And acknowledge there is good in religion and most members that are peaceful. It's though the goal of religions to convert and plays on humans need of security.
And acknowledge there is good in religion and most members that are peaceful. It's though the goal of religions to convert and plays on humans need of security.
I think, maybe hope, that once the goal of religions was to give people comfort and release, and a sense of community! I think that can be a great gift .. If that's what it provides to you, I'm happy for you, as long as the members are peaceful.... But most religions, or at least some members of these religions, use their religion to feel better about themselves and to look down on humans with a different belief system.
Why do humans have the tendency to focus on the differences between people and proclaim them unequal in value? Why can't we just focus on the things we have in common? Or is just the need to separate the sign of humanity we all have in common? Can we only be part of a community if there is a common opponent?
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"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
And acknowledge there is good in religion and most members that are peaceful. It's though the goal of religions to convert and plays on humans need of security.
I think, maybe hope, that once the goal of religions was to give people comfort and release, and a sense of community! I think that can be a great gift .. If that's what it provides to you, I'm happy for you, as long as the members are peaceful.... But most religions, or at least some members of these religions, use their religion to feel better about themselves and to look down on humans with a different belief system.
Why do humans have the tendency to focus on the differences between people and proclaim them unequal in value? Why can't we just focus on the things we have in common? Or is just the need to separate the sign of humanity we all have in common? Can we only be part of a community if there is a common opponent?
I can't find it now, but I remember reading something Annie Dillard once wrote about moving to a small community where she found it important and valuable to be a part of that community so she started attending a church there not for religious purposes but for the purpose of being a part of helping promote the concept of community. When I read that I thought seriously about doing the same only my past experiences of church going always got in the way. That may be unfortunate, I'm really not sure. Maybe this is church for me.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
And acknowledge there is good in religion and most members that are peaceful. It's though the goal of religions to convert and plays on humans need of security.
I think, maybe hope, that once the goal of religions was to give people comfort and release, and a sense of community! I think that can be a great gift .. If that's what it provides to you, I'm happy for you, as long as the members are peaceful.... But most religions, or at least some members of these religions, use their religion to feel better about themselves and to look down on humans with a different belief system.
Why do humans have the tendency to focus on the differences between people and proclaim them unequal in value? Why can't we just focus on the things we have in common? Or is just the need to separate the sign of humanity we all have in common? Can we only be part of a community if there is a common opponent?
I think, that at one point in time, religion was used to placate the people and allow fat cats to live high on the hog. I speak mostly towards Christianity when I make this statement, but this religion is hardly exclusive with regards to this notion.
The commoners toiled in the soil looking forward to the 'next life' which promised to be so awesome. Most, if not all, took the bait and while they did... the 'elite' (which included church officials) indulged themselves.
Hopefully, there actually is a Heaven and a next life. That way, all those people that looked so forward to death and the afterlife were rewarded for doing so. If not, well, then I guess they were duped.
I know a lot of open-minded Jews, Christians and Muslims in my family and friends, I know not every religious person, is a power lusted maniac. and many of the ones with no religious belief at all are. But what I see happening in my society is that very open-minded friends of mine, with different religious backgrounds, are at each others throats all of a sudden, about the conflict in Gaza, people who before the outburst of publicity about this war, where good friends... The religions are polarizing this war. and that scares me...
Personally, I don't believe in any God, because I strongly object against authority. Dictatorships don't work on earth, and men are created in the likeness of God, why would it work in Heaven? Besides every human has some good and some bad in them, and no human is pure good or evil, so why would any human get an eternal punishment or eternal peace? But these are my personal ideas, It doesn't mean at all that those who believe in waht ever religion are less in my opinion, just different, in there religious views...
Live and let live...
But there is no such thing as religious leadership that isn't corrupt and out for power, so don't you see a problem with people - even good people - following a corrupt leadership and supporting that religious government with both their money and faith? Even the kindest Catholic, Baptist, Muslim, Jew, etc, is a part of the problem. If they would all separate themselves from organized religion, then fine. But anyone who is a practicing member of an organized faith is guilty on some level of aiding, abetting, and propagating a corrupt entity IMO. Not that that means they can't also be good people. It seems to me that they are also completely brainwashed by said entity or unwilling or unable to acknowledge or recognize the corruption of their faith. Of course, in other cases, people seem to know it but just don't seem to give a shit.
O:-)
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
buddhists are corrupt & out for power? let's exam this. can you put up a link for clicking that shows information on buddhism being corrupt & hungry for power?
buddhists are corrupt & out for power? let's exam this. can you put up a link for clicking that shows information on buddhism being corrupt & hungry for power?
I don't consider Buddhism a religion.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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I think it's stupid to do it in this half way manner. The producers are still criminals, and cost the state a lot of many and police time. Also the amount of THC in the pot is so high at the moment that you count question the term soft drug. If it was legal, the state could, ban out the criminals, and take over the business, Earning money on the dope instead of spending money on it, and at the same time, control the amount of THC and keep it safe for users...
But the state is afraid for repercussions of the surrounding counties so they stay with this, lame law...
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Eyes being open is in no way tantamount to having a hard heart or being aggressive (though sometimes certain situations call for it; may I rise to that occasion should it ever happen).
Also, speaking of pot - nice little aside. Went to my local MM dispensary after work (TRYING, to no avail, to avoid the Obama trafficblocks - he's staying literally next door to where we live). So I get rung up, the total seems too low and I say so. Miscalculation on their part, and I got a free J for my honesty. Kinda sad that honesty is so rare to be rewarded, but hell - wasn't gonna refuse
Lastly, I really appreciate how respectful such a passionate and potentially-heated subject has gone. Always other roads for debate can be taken, and I'm glad this one isn't a war of words and thoughts.
Live and Let live
Wilders tries to ruin this, but as stated in the article when tragedy strikes, differences disappear, and we become one, we mourn together without making much fuss out of it...
http://time.com/3025307/malaysia-flight-17-netherlands-dutch-mourning/
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Does anyone has a reasonable answer for this question off a God...?
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Honestly, it's a silly question from a sillier "account".
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Then there are those who practice peacefully but are willing to fight to protect that right.
Sure, everyone has the right to belief what he or she feels most related to, but being part of one religion does make you in the eyes of that religion, better than other humans from a different belief system, maybe it's human to focus on the differences, give everything a specific value...
But I think this is the reason why I don't like organised religions at all...
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
The thing with extremists is they get face-time. They're the ones we hear about and shake our collective heads at their actions and hate and insistence others see and live life exactly as they deem. Most reasonable people reject that.
There are so many more who go about their business, who are charitable, polite, hard-working...those who live by the tenets of their religion but not frothing over them...understanding, accepting, their fallibility and trying to become better parents, friends, sisters, etc., without pointing fingers or damning their neighbors to hell.
I've met, even know, some people who think all Muslims are controlling, evil. Those who think Latinos are typically lazy...that black people are violent, out for themselves.
No different than the closed mindsets attached to religion...strikes me as prejudice as well.
I don't know...I just wish those who harbor those views could separate the decent from the assholes like Westboro. Seems that luxury is afforded to most groups, why not to Jews, Christians, Muslims, etc.?
Personally, I don't believe in any God, because I strongly object against authority. Dictatorships don't work on earth, and men are created in the likeness of God, why would it work in Heaven? Besides every human has some good and some bad in them, and no human is pure good or evil, so why would any human get an eternal punishment or eternal peace? But these are my personal ideas, It doesn't mean at all that those who believe in waht ever religion are less in my opinion, just different, in there religious views...
Live and let live...
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Why do humans have the tendency to focus on the differences between people and proclaim them unequal in value? Why can't we just focus on the things we have in common? Or is just the need to separate the sign of humanity we all have in common? Can we only be part of a community if there is a common opponent?
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
The commoners toiled in the soil looking forward to the 'next life' which promised to be so awesome. Most, if not all, took the bait and while they did... the 'elite' (which included church officials) indulged themselves.
Hopefully, there actually is a Heaven and a next life. That way, all those people that looked so forward to death and the afterlife were rewarded for doing so. If not, well, then I guess they were duped.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
O:-)
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce