Gods and killing...

mrussel1

I always ask myself.. "WWJB"?

Who would Jesus bomb?

Aafke

evsgjamm said:

"By killing them you lower yourself to there standards, instead of helping them chance there ways."

Not in my story. this psychotic woman needs no helping. She's killed 5,000 4 year old kids at a children's fair while they were in line to get a picture taken with Santa. Then this bitch came to my door to attack my fridge for a pepsi. Well, that pepsi was MINE... Bazooka to the head. Not one more child needs to die. I have not lowered myself to that standard of this psychopath by eliminating her. I have prevented an obvious trend of mass murder. To not see that, aafke (although I respect you) is fucking insane. You are insane Kill that bitch with a bazooka! Pull the trigger. You're doing more good than harm. Don't talk to her - she's going to steal your Pepsi, then head to the next Children's fair where 6 year old's are lined up to meet the tooth fairy.

Waste her away. She has earned her place in the grave. Failure to see that is a failure in humanity! I mean, Come onnnnnnnnnnn. Wake up and smell the coffee! If you can't beat them, join them! If you can't kill them with kindness, just kill them! You'll be alright The society will be saved from a Maniac and you'll probably be given a big fat juicy private island as token of appreciation.

oh damn, I didn't even reference a god in here... ummmmmmmmm Phonoi and Kratos approve this message.

And how the F*** are you so sure you killed the right woman, huh? Did you once saw a blurry picture of her in the newspaper? Maybe a woman came to your house looking very much like her, maybe I show a great resemblance with her. and I would know someone who invited me to your place to have a Pepsi, In a blink off an eye you think you recognize the "crazy bitch" and blow my brains out... You get your island, as reward, because externally I show great resemblance with this woman, while inside I don't have a need for violence, and therefor don't use it. You only saw "me/her" walking to your fridge to have a Pepsi, what a hero you are.... Every God would be proud of you!

In my opinion, you Americans are so damn sure that you're right all the time. Every evil life that has been lost doesn't add up to one innocent life you took by "defending" yourself or your loved ones. Look how many gun violence takes place in your country, sure some bastards have been killed with it, but how many innocent lives has it cost. By your second amendment your society approves of violence. In my society, we don't have that right, hell we don't even have the death penalty anymore, because we believe in the point which I stated before If a society allows killing for one reason, who are we to judge an other killer, you lower yourself to there standards. I don't say we don't have our share of bastards in my country, every society has that, but by raising those bastards in a society that upholds physical violence that high, you encourage it and give it room to develop, and take excessive form...

I know I will get a lot of shit coming my way, because some of you aren't very open minded about criticism on Americans,... but this is how I feel.

chadwick

i may be going out on a limb here but i believe evsgjamm is canadian & not american. also, many americans on this exact site give plenty of criticisms towards the united states, it is done so much that it becomes overwhelming on a daily basis even. i would also wager that americans critiize their country more than most countries... we have the choice to do so. does it help? not always. many americans are not fucking stupid, lazy cowards who stand around twittling their thumbs because our leaders can be bullshit artists. yes it could be better, that is for sure. often it is an uphill battle

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Aafke said:

evsgjamm said:

"By killing them you lower yourself to there standards, instead of helping them chance there ways."

Not in my story. this psychotic woman needs no helping. She's killed 5,000 4 year old kids at a children's fair while they were in line to get a picture taken with Santa. Then this bitch came to my door to attack my fridge for a pepsi. Well, that pepsi was MINE... Bazooka to the head. Not one more child needs to die. I have not lowered myself to that standard of this psychopath by eliminating her. I have prevented an obvious trend of mass murder. To not see that, aafke (although I respect you) is fucking insane. You are insane Kill that bitch with a bazooka! Pull the trigger. You're doing more good than harm. Don't talk to her - she's going to steal your Pepsi, then head to the next Children's fair where 6 year old's are lined up to meet the tooth fairy.

Waste her away. She has earned her place in the grave. Failure to see that is a failure in humanity! I mean, Come onnnnnnnnnnn. Wake up and smell the coffee! If you can't beat them, join them! If you can't kill them with kindness, just kill them! You'll be alright The society will be saved from a Maniac and you'll probably be given a big fat juicy private island as token of appreciation.

oh damn, I didn't even reference a god in here... ummmmmmmmm Phonoi and Kratos approve this message.

And how the F*** are you so sure you killed the right woman, huh? Did you once saw a blurry picture of her in the newspaper? Maybe a woman came to your house looking very much like her, maybe I show a great resemblance with her. and I would know someone who invited me to your place to have a Pepsi, In a blink off an eye you think you recognize the "crazy bitch" and blow my brains out... You get your island, as reward, because externally I show great resemblance with this woman, while inside I don't have a need for violence, and therefor don't use it. You only saw "me/her" walking to your fridge to have a Pepsi, what a hero you are.... Every God would be proud of you!

In my opinion, you Americans are so damn sure that you're right all the time. Every evil life that has been lost doesn't add up to one innocent life you took by "defending" yourself or your loved ones. Look how many gun violence takes place in your country, sure some bastards have been killed with it, but how many innocent lives has it cost. By your second amendment your society approves of violence. In my society, we don't have that right, hell we don't even have the death penalty anymore, because we believe in the point which I stated before If a society allows killing for one reason, who are we to judge an other killer, you lower yourself to there standards. I don't say we don't have our share of bastards in my country, every society has that, but by raising those bastards in a society that upholds physical violence that high, you encourage it and give it room to develop, and take excessive form...

I know I will get a lot of shit coming my way, because some of you aren't very open minded about criticism on Americans,... but this is how I feel.

I'm not American.

I think people are completely out of their mind if they would sit there like a Tibetan monk and accept imminent violence for their family.

There is a case in Calgary right now where we have grandparents and a 5 year old boy missing. It appears from what has been released that they were forcibly taken from their home. The parents are pleading for the safe return of their lost family members. We don't know exactly what has occurred yet so I wont speculate any further than that other than to say my father and I had a discussion about this event while painting yesterday. We both agreed: if some bastard was intending harm for one of our children... we would both respond with corresponding and heightened force. I wouldn't be 'inching my way up' to possibly stop the intended harm. I'd be busting an ass and ensuring nothing occurred. I don't think this makes me a beast. I think this makes me responsible.

I feel nothing for people who harm innocents. And when these innocents are women and children... I become outraged. If the Calgary story proves to be awful... I hope the people responsible die painfully.

Aafke

You 're right Chadwick, many people around here are give plenty of criticism towards the United States. Hereby I will give you my sincere apologies.
My prejudice got the best of me I think.

About the story of Calgary, it sounds horrible, and I hope the grandparents and child will return safely.
But I think people don't fully understand the point I'm trying to make. I don't think you have to sit there like a Tibetan monk, and do nothing. Certainly not, but I think there are more ways to react in those situations than to grab a gun and shoot. I know that is not my way for certain.

OMGkatwoman

One of my best friends daughter was abducted, raped then murdered. She was six years old, the terror and pain she went through is unforgivable and her family is left with a lifetime of trauma. Often times, in my line of work as child advocate, I have seen therapists, psychologists, and all the other "experts" ,believe they can "fix" these type of people, a dangerous trend in today's court systems.

chadwick

i worries, miss

Thirty Bills Unpaid

OMGkatwoman said:

One of my best friends daughter was abducted, raped then murdered. She was six years old, the terror and pain she went through is unforgivable and her family is left with a lifetime of trauma. Often times, in my line of work as child advocate, I have seen therapists, psychologists, and all the other "experts" ,believe they can "fix" these type of people, a dangerous trend in today's court systems.

Brutal.

This is the 'classic' tale that makes me seethe. We relegate the survivors to the bleachers and place the offender in the front row- allotting resources, time and energy into our collective social 'project' for rehabilitating such an obscenity.

I simply couldn't imagine the pain your friend and related (even you) feels.

And your comment speaks to the heart of the matter for me: the terror and pain she went through is unforgivable. Absolutely unforgivable. Don't come 'hat in hand' to us with a tear in your eye after such cruel and twisted depravity.

Some things are inexcusable.

Aafke

OMGkatwoman said:

One of my best friends daughter was abducted, raped then murdered. She was six years old, the terror and pain she went through is unforgivable and her family is left with a lifetime of trauma. Often times, in my line of work as child advocate, I have seen therapists, psychologists, and all the other "experts" ,believe they can "fix" these type of people, a dangerous trend in today's court systems.

I'm sorry about your best friends daughter. Not everyone is "fixable" for sure. I know that as an "expert". Some people are so dangerous they are best locked up for life, but I think that in a society where the right of having a gun is so highly appreciated, and common, it's not strange that this society has also excessive gun violence.

OMGkatwoman

Well said ,Thirty Bills Unpaid! I have no sympathy for the SOB that killed her, she was a very sweet, innocent child. Her killer had been in and out of prison, then released after the "experts" claimed he was rehabilitated, before he killed her. Now he has life with the possibility of parole???? WTF

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Aafke said:

You 're right Chadwick, many people around here are give plenty of criticism towards the United States. Hereby I will give you my sincere apologies.
My prejudice got the best of me I think.

About the story of Calgary, it sounds horrible, and I hope the grandparents and child will return safely.
But I think people don't fully understand the point I'm trying to make. I don't think you have to sit there like a Tibetan monk, and do nothing. Certainly not, but I think there are more ways to react in those situations than to grab a gun and shoot. I know that is not my way for certain.

I think a few posts have suggested the idea about not raising a finger to defend themselves. Such a notion is tough for me to get my head around, but each to their own I guess.

For the record, I'm not talking about tuning some guy who fingers you in traffic. If someone breaks into my home, they are going to get close and personal with my 3 iron. I'm not sure if I would offer the opportunity to leave first or not? Would doing so heighten the intruder's awareness level for aggression and make him more difficult to deal with- leaving less of an opportunity to protect my family who is depending on me?

Everything is situational of course. But overall, I think we are talking about the morality of using violence to stop violence. In some cases, its necessary, forced, and hardly immoral.

Aafke

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Aafke said:

You 're right Chadwick, many people around here are give plenty of criticism towards the United States. Hereby I will give you my sincere apologies.
My prejudice got the best of me I think.

About the story of Calgary, it sounds horrible, and I hope the grandparents and child will return safely.
But I think people don't fully understand the point I'm trying to make. I don't think you have to sit there like a Tibetan monk, and do nothing. Certainly not, but I think there are more ways to react in those situations than to grab a gun and shoot. I know that is not my way for certain.

I think a few posts have suggested the idea about not raising a finger to defend themselves. Such a notion is tough for me to get my head around, but each to their own I guess.

For the record, I'm not talking about tuning some guy who fingers you in traffic. If someone breaks into my home, they are going to get close and personal with my 3 iron. I'm not sure if I would offer the opportunity to leave first or not? Would doing so heighten the intruder's awareness level for aggression and make him more difficult to deal with- leaving less of an opportunity to protect my family who is depending on me?

Everything is situational of course. But overall, I think we are talking about the morality of using violence to stop violence. In some cases, its necessary, forced, and hardly immoral.

On this last point I strongly disagree with you. I don't think you can stop violence with violence, ever!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Aafke said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Aafke said:

You 're right Chadwick, many people around here are give plenty of criticism towards the United States. Hereby I will give you my sincere apologies.
My prejudice got the best of me I think.

About the story of Calgary, it sounds horrible, and I hope the grandparents and child will return safely.
But I think people don't fully understand the point I'm trying to make. I don't think you have to sit there like a Tibetan monk, and do nothing. Certainly not, but I think there are more ways to react in those situations than to grab a gun and shoot. I know that is not my way for certain.

I think a few posts have suggested the idea about not raising a finger to defend themselves. Such a notion is tough for me to get my head around, but each to their own I guess.

For the record, I'm not talking about tuning some guy who fingers you in traffic. If someone breaks into my home, they are going to get close and personal with my 3 iron. I'm not sure if I would offer the opportunity to leave first or not? Would doing so heighten the intruder's awareness level for aggression and make him more difficult to deal with- leaving less of an opportunity to protect my family who is depending on me?

Everything is situational of course. But overall, I think we are talking about the morality of using violence to stop violence. In some cases, its necessary, forced, and hardly immoral.

On this last point I strongly disagree with you. I don't think you can stop violence with violence, ever!

So allow the home intruder to do what he pleases as you kneel and pray?

Aafke

First I don't kneel or pray to any God, but that's beside the point.
Second of all, can't you defend your home without a gun? I know I can, and done so, by grabbing the intruder in the neck, and put him in a locked room until the police came.

Besides, no, I never would kill an intruder, my own belonging are certainly not as valuable as a human life! Belongings are replaceable a Human isn't.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Aafke said:

First I don't kneel or pray to any God, but that's beside the point.
Second of all, can't you defend your home without a gun? I know I can, and done so, by grabbing the intruder in the neck, and put him in a locked room until the police came.

Besides, no, I never would kill an intruder, my own belonging are certainly not as valuable as a human life! Belongings are replaceable a Human isn't.

A choke hold is violence. You've solved violence with violence!

And the intruder you speak of... was he all of 105 pounds? If it is as simple as picking a 'toddler' up and locking them in a room until the cops came then fair enough. In many cases though, the intruder is capable of a little more fight.

And, for the record, I spoke of using a golf club to defend your home- more than ample. However, for the gun enthusiasts... if someone is breaking into their home and you are unsure of their intent... I have no problem with people using their weapons to stop the intrusion. Expecting people to be patient with people breaking into their homes is highly unreasonable.

Homeowners do not need to ascertain intent before they should feel the need to defend themselves. In fact, I think it is prudent to fear the worst when some idiot is breaking into your home.

We digress though. We should probably let the thread regain its integrity with regards to larger scale violence in the name of religion.

Aafke

I didn't use a choke hold, but a defense technique i learned at my work where you can restrain a person without harming him. And yes this man was no toddler, but a full grown heavy male.
You are right let this treat regain to the subject of violence in the name of religion...

chadwick

im not looking for a arguement just a bit of whatever it is i am doing.

put me in a choke hold, run me to a room, lock me in it & call the cops to come arrest me. this is not going to happen like this. you will wrap your arms, legs & feet around my neck & head, i then walk around either bashing you into the corner of a wall while beating you terribly like a punching bag & or body slamming you into your fireplace.

if i am locked in any given room, chances are i could plow my way through the wall or simply go through the door. imagine doing this to a very insane & dangerous individual

they will laugh at you & beat you to death w/ their two hands

chadwick

OMGkatwoman said:

One of my best friends daughter was abducted, raped then murdered. She was six years old, the terror and pain she went through is unforgivable and her family is left with a lifetime of trauma. Often times, in my line of work as child advocate, I have seen therapists, psychologists, and all the other "experts" ,believe they can "fix" these type of people, a dangerous trend in today's court systems.

i am sorry & sad

another reason these monsters should be thrown off a cliff

Aafke

chadwick said:

im not looking for a arguement just a bit of whatever it is i am doing.

put me in a choke hold, run me to a room, lock me in it & call the cops to come arrest me. this is not going to happen like this. you will wrap your arms, legs & feet around my neck & head, i then walk around either bashing you into the corner of a wall while beating you terribly like a punching bag & or body slamming you into your fireplace.

if i am locked in any given room, chances are i could plow my way through the wall or simply go through the door. imagine doing this to a very insane & dangerous individual

they will laugh at you & beat you to death w/ their two hands

Well, It did happen, and I'm still writing this, so I haven't been beaten to death. My advantage was, probable the element of surprise. This intruder thought no one was home, and there I was. He was scared as hell... Therefor I could overpower him.

Afterwards I had to clean his shit up, which he dropped when I caught him by surprise..

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Aafke said:

chadwick said:

im not looking for a arguement just a bit of whatever it is i am doing.

put me in a choke hold, run me to a room, lock me in it & call the cops to come arrest me. this is not going to happen like this. you will wrap your arms, legs & feet around my neck & head, i then walk around either bashing you into the corner of a wall while beating you terribly like a punching bag & or body slamming you into your fireplace.

if i am locked in any given room, chances are i could plow my way through the wall or simply go through the door. imagine doing this to a very insane & dangerous individual

they will laugh at you & beat you to death w/ their two hands

Well, It did happen, and I'm still writing this, so I haven't been beaten to death. My advantage was, probable the element of surprise. This intruder thought no one was home, and there I was. He was scared as hell... Therefor I could overpower him.

Afterwards I had to clean his shit up, which he dropped when I caught him by surprise..

Nobody's doubting you, but let's be serious: this scenario you describe could just as easily gone sideways on you and you could have been in a fight for your life. I cant recall if you said you had a family behind you that was relying on you. If so... the stakes were pretty high to be so patient with an intruder.

I'm saying that if presented with any scenario where you and your family are facing a threat... I strongly advise anyone to gain the upper hand on the situation and not place yourself in a position where you are regretting not taking aggressive and firm action when the opportunity was afforded to you.

Pretty chancy.