Gods and killing...

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  • Aafke
    Aafke Posts: 1,219
    edited June 2014
    I think almost every war starts about resources and the the power and control they provide, but they (The mighty and powerful) claim it's about religious differences because people tent to get more in to fighting when their believes are at stack. And yes it doesn't seem appealing to read that on a button or bumper sticker.
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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    With or without religion you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. -Steven Weinberg
  • Aafke
    Aafke Posts: 1,219
    In to many wars God becomes the reason for killing for the common soldier. God justifies those killings. Far to often these soldiers become proud of killing in the name of God, this offends me.. For me there is no good reason for killing an other human being and God has been proven to be a perfect excuse for doing so. ..
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    "The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
    "Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    I'd say that stands true for current conflicts in the middle east.
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  • evsgjamm
    evsgjamm Posts: 2,108

    People with gods (ahem!... and OIL....*cough cough*) kill people
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  • JWPearl
    JWPearl Posts: 19,893
    evsgjamm said:


    People with gods (ahem!... and OIL....*cough cough*) kill people

    Not like your trying to be racist or anything. lol

  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,768
    JWPearl said:



    evsgjamm said:


    People with gods (ahem!... and OIL....*cough cough*) kill people

    Not like your trying to be racist or anything. lol

    People with Gods ( and who want to sell Oil) kill people.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    so those who refuse to defend themselves, you are ready to let a foul bastard murder you & your loved ones because you refuse to take a stand because you strongly religious?

    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • JWPearl
    JWPearl Posts: 19,893
    Better to be the killed than the killer because a killer has no everlasting life left in him but the killed will live on.. but each to their own
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    JWPearl said:

    Better to be the killed than the killer because a killer has no everlasting life left in him but the killed will live on.. but each to their own

    You're sure about this?

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  • Aafke
    Aafke Posts: 1,219
    edited July 2014
    chadwick said:

    so those who refuse to defend themselves, you are ready to let a foul bastard murder you & your loved ones because you refuse to take a stand because you strongly religious?

    Yes, I refuse to kill another human being, to defend myself or my loved ones. I strongly believes in fighting with words and arguments! I see using physical violence as a weakness, and I will not lower my own standards by using it. The use of physical violence only leads to more violence, it is an downward spiral, the use of physical violence leads to more physical violence.

    And I don't believe in any God, because I would hate the bastard if he existed, because all the suffering and grief he puts his world trough. A dictatorship doesn't work in this world so why would it work in any heaven. I also think that in all humans are some good and bad parts, so it isn't possible to have a heaven or hell, cause all people have both sides in them, and do act out both sides.

    The greatest problem I have with any religion is the believe that those who don't believe in the same values as the religious person, has lesser value to him, he's a lesser person. I think every person has equal value, no matter what his or her believe system is.
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    "Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
  • evsgjamm
    evsgjamm Posts: 2,108
    edited July 2014
    JWPearl said:



    evsgjamm said:


    People with gods (ahem!... and OIL....*cough cough*) kill people

    Not like your trying to be racist or anything. lol

    haha. well i knew oil fit in there somewhere. even though i wasn't trying to be racist, it doezzzzzzz have a hint of racism in there.... just can't......quite...... pinpoint where, :p

    Aafke.... i like you.

    but i'd kill another human if it meant my ass or his. let's assume in my case, my potential assailant is the most wanted murderer in the world; everytime he kills, he ruins a happy family for life... he kills dogs, kittens, babies, kids, teenagers, mothers, fathers, elders and panda bears.... everyone he approaches to kill, just let's him kill them because they think it's better for them not to fight for their own life or to step infront of his gun or axe when it's aimed down upon their daughter. He just keeps killing and ruining lives. He's killed 5,000 great people.... now he's at my door. I hear the door creak open as he enters my house. I'm startled and I head for the closet to grab my shotgun... no screw that... my rifle... oh heck, that aint any fun...so I grab my missile launcher and take the safety off. I walk over towards him as he's standing infront of my creaky door. I blast that asshole away without hesitation. And now my door doesn't squeak anymore. It's WIN-WIN.

    Aafke, if you won't do it... I will. You don't have to worry. I'll blast em all! Boondock Saints, yaya.
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  • Aafke
    Aafke Posts: 1,219
    edited July 2014
    evsgjamm said:



    Aafke, if you won't do it... I will. You don't have to worry. I'll blast em all! Boondock Saints, yaya.

    You would, but no, I would NOT. He might be a killer and a true son off a bitch. But also he has some good left into him. No man is all bad. So i would try to start a conversation with him, to look for that good in him, and try to convince him with arguments to stop the killing spree... I'm sure it has a very little chance of being effective, but there always is that chance...

    I've worked as an therapist in the forensic Psychiatry and have delt, with a lot of bastards out there, but have also seen the pain and grief most of those people are going trough. People don't become bastards out of joy. All of them have traumatic pasts... They just took that next step into their own downward spiral...

    By killing them you lower yourself to there standards, instead of helping them chance there ways.
    Maybe my look on this substance is different than most Americans, because I live in a country where people don't have the right to own a gun, but I am glad to, because in my country, where there are living 17 million people, the amount off persons killed by guns is less than 100 a year.

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    "The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
    "Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited July 2014
    not all people (if we can call them this) have good in them. please understand this & you will know truthfulness. not even the slightest tiny fraction of good is dwelling in some people. a person has every right imaginable to defend themselves & others who are being preyed upon by some sick-twisted piece of garbage.

    i fully believe that if we defend each other, we are doing great work & that is that. please do not let another be violent with you or anyone in your presents. to me this is very wrong & weak. even a 2 year old child will keep kicking the bad guy in the shins when the terrible guy or gal is beating the child's mother. as in the mcdonald's work scene where she beats this tiny mother badly. the small child knows this is out of order & he knows his mother needs help desperately & so the little boy goes for the shins of the crazed goofy ass gal

    let me ask you folks a question - do you swat flies, step on spiders & so on?
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    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Aafke
    Aafke Posts: 1,219
    edited July 2014
    chadwick said:

    not all people (if we can call them this) have good in them. please understand this & you will know truthfulness. not even the slightest tiny fraction of good is dwelling in some people. a person has every right imaginable to defend themselves & others who are being preyed upon by some sick-twisted piece of garbage.

    i fully believe that if we defend each other, we are doing great work & that is that. please do not let another be violent with you or anyone in your presents. to me this is very wrong & weak. even a 2 year old child will keep kicking the bad guy in the shins when the terrible guy or gal is beating the child's mother. as in the mcdonald's work scene where she beats this tiny mother badly. the small child knows this is out of order & he knows his mother needs help desperately & so the little boy goes for the shins of the crazed goofy ass gal

    let me ask you folks a question - do you swat flies, step on spiders & so on?

    I don't say that I'll not defend myself or my loved ones, I only use other means than psychical violence. I know how to protect myself and restrain others without hurting them, because by hurting the other you only feed his/her rage... Have you ever worked or met these kind of people?

    And i know that the power of my words is stronger than my physical powers, so that's my weapon of choice. I'm convinced that in every person is some good, and I'm sorry, you don't agree with me. But everyone has the right to his or her own opinion...
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    "The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
    "Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    fly swatters & quick heavy shoes for spiders, yes/no?
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Aafke
    Aafke Posts: 1,219
    edited July 2014
    Flies swatters yes, they annoy me. Heavy boots for spiders no, I put them outside to help the flies stay out... saves me a lot of time and work.

    What about the rest of my answer?
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    "The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
    "Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    "Have you ever worked or met these kind of people?"
    sure i have met monsters & i am saddened often i never threw them off a cliff. i never met but a few of the many i know of, mostly stories from dad & his buddies who worked at the prison. do you believe a nasty, disgusting guy can eat, sleep & dream evil acts 24x7 & only wish to torture others the entire time he is alive?

    if you can kill a fly for the fly only doing as a fly does then isn't it possible to defend yourself against a violent rapist or what have you? your words & defensive-holds are nothing against this dangerous maniac. words & choke holds? not hardly

    & i love words a great deal. i write myself silly & own more dictionaries than most people i know. my creative tongue & defensive tactics mean nothing to a real dangerous freakshow

    i wish all of you all the best with your lives,

    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Aafke
    Aafke Posts: 1,219
    edited July 2014
    Well, killing a fly, takes a lot less physical strength, than killing a human being. And I know I don't have a lot of physical strength, So if you don't have a lot of strength, you have to be smart.
    I know true pacifist won't allow any killing from happening, and if you can kill a harmless little bug, who can't defend himself against you, is more cruel than killing an equal, so you may interpreted as weak, and maybe I am. I also eat meat, and don't have the strength of killing it myself, so yes I am a hypocrite.

    I know myself, in situations where I've been physically attacked, and I've learned that I don't have a fighting spirit, I simply frees, in the first instant, and in second instant I flee.

    But I always try to imagine what drives people to act like they do. I try to understand them. In my own experience identifying with people, brings a lot less aggression than, physical force... Cause people are still animals and can feel the aggression, and become out of defense. aggressive themselves. As kindness calms people down... Even the most aggresive bastard...
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    "The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
    "Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
  • evsgjamm
    evsgjamm Posts: 2,108
    "By killing them you lower yourself to there standards, instead of helping them chance there ways."

    Not in my story. this psychotic woman needs no helping. She's killed 5,000 4 year old kids at a children's fair while they were in line to get a picture taken with Santa. Then this bitch came to my door to attack my fridge for a pepsi. Well, that pepsi was MINE... Bazooka to the head. Not one more child needs to die. I have not lowered myself to that standard of this psychopath by eliminating her. I have prevented an obvious trend of mass murder. To not see that, aafke (although I respect you) is fucking insane. You are insane :) Kill that bitch with a bazooka! Pull the trigger. You're doing more good than harm. Don't talk to her - she's going to steal your Pepsi, then head to the next Children's fair where 6 year old's are lined up to meet the tooth fairy.

    Waste her away. She has earned her place in the grave. Failure to see that is a failure in humanity! I mean, Come onnnnnnnnnnn. Wake up and smell the coffee! If you can't beat them, join them! If you can't kill them with kindness, just kill them! You'll be alright :) The society will be saved from a Maniac and you'll probably be given a big fat juicy private island as token of appreciation.

    oh damn, I didn't even reference a god in here... ummmmmmmmm Phonoi and Kratos approve this message.
    Vancouver '03, Paramount Theatre '05, Saskatoon '05, Calgary '05, Edmonton '05, Saskatoon '11, Calgary '11, Calgary '13

    2010 WATCH IT GO TO FIRE!!

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