so those who refuse to defend themselves, you are ready to let a foul bastard murder you & your loved ones because you refuse to take a stand because you strongly religious?
Yes, I refuse to kill another human being, to defend myself or my loved ones. I strongly believes in fighting with words and arguments! I see using physical violence as a weakness, and I will not lower my own standards by using it. The use of physical violence only leads to more violence, it is an downward spiral, the use of physical violence leads to more physical violence.
And I don't believe in any God, because I would hate the bastard if he existed, because all the suffering and grief he puts his world trough. A dictatorship doesn't work in this world so why would it work in any heaven. I also think that in all humans are some good and bad parts, so it isn't possible to have a heaven or hell, cause all people have both sides in them, and do act out both sides.
The greatest problem I have with any religion is the believe that those who don't believe in the same values as the religious person, has lesser value to him, he's a lesser person. I think every person has equal value, no matter what his or her believe system is.
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"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
People with gods (ahem!... and OIL....*cough cough*) kill people
Not like your trying to be racist or anything. lol
haha. well i knew oil fit in there somewhere. even though i wasn't trying to be racist, it doezzzzzzz have a hint of racism in there.... just can't......quite...... pinpoint where,
Aafke.... i like you.
but i'd kill another human if it meant my ass or his. let's assume in my case, my potential assailant is the most wanted murderer in the world; everytime he kills, he ruins a happy family for life... he kills dogs, kittens, babies, kids, teenagers, mothers, fathers, elders and panda bears.... everyone he approaches to kill, just let's him kill them because they think it's better for them not to fight for their own life or to step infront of his gun or axe when it's aimed down upon their daughter. He just keeps killing and ruining lives. He's killed 5,000 great people.... now he's at my door. I hear the door creak open as he enters my house. I'm startled and I head for the closet to grab my shotgun... no screw that... my rifle... oh heck, that aint any fun...so I grab my missile launcher and take the safety off. I walk over towards him as he's standing infront of my creaky door. I blast that asshole away without hesitation. And now my door doesn't squeak anymore. It's WIN-WIN.
Aafke, if you won't do it... I will. You don't have to worry. I'll blast em all! Boondock Saints, yaya.
Aafke, if you won't do it... I will. You don't have to worry. I'll blast em all! Boondock Saints, yaya.
You would, but no, I would NOT. He might be a killer and a true son off a bitch. But also he has some good left into him. No man is all bad. So i would try to start a conversation with him, to look for that good in him, and try to convince him with arguments to stop the killing spree... I'm sure it has a very little chance of being effective, but there always is that chance...
I've worked as an therapist in the forensic Psychiatry and have delt, with a lot of bastards out there, but have also seen the pain and grief most of those people are going trough. People don't become bastards out of joy. All of them have traumatic pasts... They just took that next step into their own downward spiral...
By killing them you lower yourself to there standards, instead of helping them chance there ways. Maybe my look on this substance is different than most Americans, because I live in a country where people don't have the right to own a gun, but I am glad to, because in my country, where there are living 17 million people, the amount off persons killed by guns is less than 100 a year.
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"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
not all people (if we can call them this) have good in them. please understand this & you will know truthfulness. not even the slightest tiny fraction of good is dwelling in some people. a person has every right imaginable to defend themselves & others who are being preyed upon by some sick-twisted piece of garbage.
i fully believe that if we defend each other, we are doing great work & that is that. please do not let another be violent with you or anyone in your presents. to me this is very wrong & weak. even a 2 year old child will keep kicking the bad guy in the shins when the terrible guy or gal is beating the child's mother. as in the mcdonald's work scene where she beats this tiny mother badly. the small child knows this is out of order & he knows his mother needs help desperately & so the little boy goes for the shins of the crazed goofy ass gal
let me ask you folks a question - do you swat flies, step on spiders & so on?
not all people (if we can call them this) have good in them. please understand this & you will know truthfulness. not even the slightest tiny fraction of good is dwelling in some people. a person has every right imaginable to defend themselves & others who are being preyed upon by some sick-twisted piece of garbage.
i fully believe that if we defend each other, we are doing great work & that is that. please do not let another be violent with you or anyone in your presents. to me this is very wrong & weak. even a 2 year old child will keep kicking the bad guy in the shins when the terrible guy or gal is beating the child's mother. as in the mcdonald's work scene where she beats this tiny mother badly. the small child knows this is out of order & he knows his mother needs help desperately & so the little boy goes for the shins of the crazed goofy ass gal
let me ask you folks a question - do you swat flies, step on spiders & so on?
I don't say that I'll not defend myself or my loved ones, I only use other means than psychical violence. I know how to protect myself and restrain others without hurting them, because by hurting the other you only feed his/her rage... Have you ever worked or met these kind of people?
And i know that the power of my words is stronger than my physical powers, so that's my weapon of choice. I'm convinced that in every person is some good, and I'm sorry, you don't agree with me. But everyone has the right to his or her own opinion...
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"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Flies swatters yes, they annoy me. Heavy boots for spiders no, I put them outside to help the flies stay out... saves me a lot of time and work.
What about the rest of my answer?
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"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
"Have you ever worked or met these kind of people?" sure i have met monsters & i am saddened often i never threw them off a cliff. i never met but a few of the many i know of, mostly stories from dad & his buddies who worked at the prison. do you believe a nasty, disgusting guy can eat, sleep & dream evil acts 24x7 & only wish to torture others the entire time he is alive?
if you can kill a fly for the fly only doing as a fly does then isn't it possible to defend yourself against a violent rapist or what have you? your words & defensive-holds are nothing against this dangerous maniac. words & choke holds? not hardly
& i love words a great deal. i write myself silly & own more dictionaries than most people i know. my creative tongue & defensive tactics mean nothing to a real dangerous freakshow
Well, killing a fly, takes a lot less physical strength, than killing a human being. And I know I don't have a lot of physical strength, So if you don't have a lot of strength, you have to be smart. I know true pacifist won't allow any killing from happening, and if you can kill a harmless little bug, who can't defend himself against you, is more cruel than killing an equal, so you may interpreted as weak, and maybe I am. I also eat meat, and don't have the strength of killing it myself, so yes I am a hypocrite.
I know myself, in situations where I've been physically attacked, and I've learned that I don't have a fighting spirit, I simply frees, in the first instant, and in second instant I flee.
But I always try to imagine what drives people to act like they do. I try to understand them. In my own experience identifying with people, brings a lot less aggression than, physical force... Cause people are still animals and can feel the aggression, and become out of defense. aggressive themselves. As kindness calms people down... Even the most aggresive bastard...
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"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
"By killing them you lower yourself to there standards, instead of helping them chance there ways."
Not in my story. this psychotic woman needs no helping. She's killed 5,000 4 year old kids at a children's fair while they were in line to get a picture taken with Santa. Then this bitch came to my door to attack my fridge for a pepsi. Well, that pepsi was MINE... Bazooka to the head. Not one more child needs to die. I have not lowered myself to that standard of this psychopath by eliminating her. I have prevented an obvious trend of mass murder. To not see that, aafke (although I respect you) is fucking insane. You are insane Kill that bitch with a bazooka! Pull the trigger. You're doing more good than harm. Don't talk to her - she's going to steal your Pepsi, then head to the next Children's fair where 6 year old's are lined up to meet the tooth fairy.
Waste her away. She has earned her place in the grave. Failure to see that is a failure in humanity! I mean, Come onnnnnnnnnnn. Wake up and smell the coffee! If you can't beat them, join them! If you can't kill them with kindness, just kill them! You'll be alright The society will be saved from a Maniac and you'll probably be given a big fat juicy private island as token of appreciation.
oh damn, I didn't even reference a god in here... ummmmmmmmm Phonoi and Kratos approve this message.
"By killing them you lower yourself to there standards, instead of helping them chance there ways."
Not in my story. this psychotic woman needs no helping. She's killed 5,000 4 year old kids at a children's fair while they were in line to get a picture taken with Santa. Then this bitch came to my door to attack my fridge for a pepsi. Well, that pepsi was MINE... Bazooka to the head. Not one more child needs to die. I have not lowered myself to that standard of this psychopath by eliminating her. I have prevented an obvious trend of mass murder. To not see that, aafke (although I respect you) is fucking insane. You are insane Kill that bitch with a bazooka! Pull the trigger. You're doing more good than harm. Don't talk to her - she's going to steal your Pepsi, then head to the next Children's fair where 6 year old's are lined up to meet the tooth fairy.
Waste her away. She has earned her place in the grave. Failure to see that is a failure in humanity! I mean, Come onnnnnnnnnnn. Wake up and smell the coffee! If you can't beat them, join them! If you can't kill them with kindness, just kill them! You'll be alright The society will be saved from a Maniac and you'll probably be given a big fat juicy private island as token of appreciation.
oh damn, I didn't even reference a god in here... ummmmmmmmm Phonoi and Kratos approve this message.
And how the F*** are you so sure you killed the right woman, huh? Did you once saw a blurry picture of her in the newspaper? Maybe a woman came to your house looking very much like her, maybe I show a great resemblance with her. and I would know someone who invited me to your place to have a Pepsi, In a blink off an eye you think you recognize the "crazy bitch" and blow my brains out... You get your island, as reward, because externally I show great resemblance with this woman, while inside I don't have a need for violence, and therefor don't use it. You only saw "me/her" walking to your fridge to have a Pepsi, what a hero you are.... Every God would be proud of you!
In my opinion, you Americans are so damn sure that you're right all the time. Every evil life that has been lost doesn't add up to one innocent life you took by "defending" yourself or your loved ones. Look how many gun violence takes place in your country, sure some bastards have been killed with it, but how many innocent lives has it cost. By your second amendment your society approves of violence. In my society, we don't have that right, hell we don't even have the death penalty anymore, because we believe in the point which I stated before If a society allows killing for one reason, who are we to judge an other killer, you lower yourself to there standards. I don't say we don't have our share of bastards in my country, every society has that, but by raising those bastards in a society that upholds physical violence that high, you encourage it and give it room to develop, and take excessive form...
I know I will get a lot of shit coming my way, because some of you aren't very open minded about criticism on Americans,... but this is how I feel.
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"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
i may be going out on a limb here but i believe evsgjamm is canadian & not american. also, many americans on this exact site give plenty of criticisms towards the united states, it is done so much that it becomes overwhelming on a daily basis even. i would also wager that americans critiize their country more than most countries... we have the choice to do so. does it help? not always. many americans are not fucking stupid, lazy cowards who stand around twittling their thumbs because our leaders can be bullshit artists. yes it could be better, that is for sure. often it is an uphill battle
"By killing them you lower yourself to there standards, instead of helping them chance there ways."
Not in my story. this psychotic woman needs no helping. She's killed 5,000 4 year old kids at a children's fair while they were in line to get a picture taken with Santa. Then this bitch came to my door to attack my fridge for a pepsi. Well, that pepsi was MINE... Bazooka to the head. Not one more child needs to die. I have not lowered myself to that standard of this psychopath by eliminating her. I have prevented an obvious trend of mass murder. To not see that, aafke (although I respect you) is fucking insane. You are insane Kill that bitch with a bazooka! Pull the trigger. You're doing more good than harm. Don't talk to her - she's going to steal your Pepsi, then head to the next Children's fair where 6 year old's are lined up to meet the tooth fairy.
Waste her away. She has earned her place in the grave. Failure to see that is a failure in humanity! I mean, Come onnnnnnnnnnn. Wake up and smell the coffee! If you can't beat them, join them! If you can't kill them with kindness, just kill them! You'll be alright The society will be saved from a Maniac and you'll probably be given a big fat juicy private island as token of appreciation.
oh damn, I didn't even reference a god in here... ummmmmmmmm Phonoi and Kratos approve this message.
And how the F*** are you so sure you killed the right woman, huh? Did you once saw a blurry picture of her in the newspaper? Maybe a woman came to your house looking very much like her, maybe I show a great resemblance with her. and I would know someone who invited me to your place to have a Pepsi, In a blink off an eye you think you recognize the "crazy bitch" and blow my brains out... You get your island, as reward, because externally I show great resemblance with this woman, while inside I don't have a need for violence, and therefor don't use it. You only saw "me/her" walking to your fridge to have a Pepsi, what a hero you are.... Every God would be proud of you!
In my opinion, you Americans are so damn sure that you're right all the time. Every evil life that has been lost doesn't add up to one innocent life you took by "defending" yourself or your loved ones. Look how many gun violence takes place in your country, sure some bastards have been killed with it, but how many innocent lives has it cost. By your second amendment your society approves of violence. In my society, we don't have that right, hell we don't even have the death penalty anymore, because we believe in the point which I stated before If a society allows killing for one reason, who are we to judge an other killer, you lower yourself to there standards. I don't say we don't have our share of bastards in my country, every society has that, but by raising those bastards in a society that upholds physical violence that high, you encourage it and give it room to develop, and take excessive form...
I know I will get a lot of shit coming my way, because some of you aren't very open minded about criticism on Americans,... but this is how I feel.
I'm not American.
I think people are completely out of their mind if they would sit there like a Tibetan monk and accept imminent violence for their family.
There is a case in Calgary right now where we have grandparents and a 5 year old boy missing. It appears from what has been released that they were forcibly taken from their home. The parents are pleading for the safe return of their lost family members. We don't know exactly what has occurred yet so I wont speculate any further than that other than to say my father and I had a discussion about this event while painting yesterday. We both agreed: if some bastard was intending harm for one of our children... we would both respond with corresponding and heightened force. I wouldn't be 'inching my way up' to possibly stop the intended harm. I'd be busting an ass and ensuring nothing occurred. I don't think this makes me a beast. I think this makes me responsible.
I feel nothing for people who harm innocents. And when these innocents are women and children... I become outraged. If the Calgary story proves to be awful... I hope the people responsible die painfully.
You 're right Chadwick, many people around here are give plenty of criticism towards the United States. Hereby I will give you my sincere apologies. My prejudice got the best of me I think.
About the story of Calgary, it sounds horrible, and I hope the grandparents and child will return safely. But I think people don't fully understand the point I'm trying to make. I don't think you have to sit there like a Tibetan monk, and do nothing. Certainly not, but I think there are more ways to react in those situations than to grab a gun and shoot. I know that is not my way for certain.
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"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
One of my best friends daughter was abducted, raped then murdered. She was six years old, the terror and pain she went through is unforgivable and her family is left with a lifetime of trauma. Often times, in my line of work as child advocate, I have seen therapists, psychologists, and all the other "experts" ,believe they can "fix" these type of people, a dangerous trend in today's court systems.
One of my best friends daughter was abducted, raped then murdered. She was six years old, the terror and pain she went through is unforgivable and her family is left with a lifetime of trauma. Often times, in my line of work as child advocate, I have seen therapists, psychologists, and all the other "experts" ,believe they can "fix" these type of people, a dangerous trend in today's court systems.
Brutal.
This is the 'classic' tale that makes me seethe. We relegate the survivors to the bleachers and place the offender in the front row- allotting resources, time and energy into our collective social 'project' for rehabilitating such an obscenity.
I simply couldn't imagine the pain your friend and related (even you) feels.
And your comment speaks to the heart of the matter for me: the terror and pain she went through is unforgivable. Absolutely unforgivable. Don't come 'hat in hand' to us with a tear in your eye after such cruel and twisted depravity.
One of my best friends daughter was abducted, raped then murdered. She was six years old, the terror and pain she went through is unforgivable and her family is left with a lifetime of trauma. Often times, in my line of work as child advocate, I have seen therapists, psychologists, and all the other "experts" ,believe they can "fix" these type of people, a dangerous trend in today's court systems.
I'm sorry about your best friends daughter. Not everyone is "fixable" for sure. I know that as an "expert". Some people are so dangerous they are best locked up for life, but I think that in a society where the right of having a gun is so highly appreciated, and common, it's not strange that this society has also excessive gun violence.
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Well said ,Thirty Bills Unpaid! I have no sympathy for the SOB that killed her, she was a very sweet, innocent child. Her killer had been in and out of prison, then released after the "experts" claimed he was rehabilitated, before he killed her. Now he has life with the possibility of parole???? WTF
You 're right Chadwick, many people around here are give plenty of criticism towards the United States. Hereby I will give you my sincere apologies. My prejudice got the best of me I think.
About the story of Calgary, it sounds horrible, and I hope the grandparents and child will return safely. But I think people don't fully understand the point I'm trying to make. I don't think you have to sit there like a Tibetan monk, and do nothing. Certainly not, but I think there are more ways to react in those situations than to grab a gun and shoot. I know that is not my way for certain.
I think a few posts have suggested the idea about not raising a finger to defend themselves. Such a notion is tough for me to get my head around, but each to their own I guess.
For the record, I'm not talking about tuning some guy who fingers you in traffic. If someone breaks into my home, they are going to get close and personal with my 3 iron. I'm not sure if I would offer the opportunity to leave first or not? Would doing so heighten the intruder's awareness level for aggression and make him more difficult to deal with- leaving less of an opportunity to protect my family who is depending on me?
Everything is situational of course. But overall, I think we are talking about the morality of using violence to stop violence. In some cases, its necessary, forced, and hardly immoral.
You 're right Chadwick, many people around here are give plenty of criticism towards the United States. Hereby I will give you my sincere apologies. My prejudice got the best of me I think.
About the story of Calgary, it sounds horrible, and I hope the grandparents and child will return safely. But I think people don't fully understand the point I'm trying to make. I don't think you have to sit there like a Tibetan monk, and do nothing. Certainly not, but I think there are more ways to react in those situations than to grab a gun and shoot. I know that is not my way for certain.
I think a few posts have suggested the idea about not raising a finger to defend themselves. Such a notion is tough for me to get my head around, but each to their own I guess.
For the record, I'm not talking about tuning some guy who fingers you in traffic. If someone breaks into my home, they are going to get close and personal with my 3 iron. I'm not sure if I would offer the opportunity to leave first or not? Would doing so heighten the intruder's awareness level for aggression and make him more difficult to deal with- leaving less of an opportunity to protect my family who is depending on me?
Everything is situational of course. But overall, I think we are talking about the morality of using violence to stop violence. In some cases, its necessary, forced, and hardly immoral.
On this last point I strongly disagree with you. I don't think you can stop violence with violence, ever!
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
You 're right Chadwick, many people around here are give plenty of criticism towards the United States. Hereby I will give you my sincere apologies. My prejudice got the best of me I think.
About the story of Calgary, it sounds horrible, and I hope the grandparents and child will return safely. But I think people don't fully understand the point I'm trying to make. I don't think you have to sit there like a Tibetan monk, and do nothing. Certainly not, but I think there are more ways to react in those situations than to grab a gun and shoot. I know that is not my way for certain.
I think a few posts have suggested the idea about not raising a finger to defend themselves. Such a notion is tough for me to get my head around, but each to their own I guess.
For the record, I'm not talking about tuning some guy who fingers you in traffic. If someone breaks into my home, they are going to get close and personal with my 3 iron. I'm not sure if I would offer the opportunity to leave first or not? Would doing so heighten the intruder's awareness level for aggression and make him more difficult to deal with- leaving less of an opportunity to protect my family who is depending on me?
Everything is situational of course. But overall, I think we are talking about the morality of using violence to stop violence. In some cases, its necessary, forced, and hardly immoral.
On this last point I strongly disagree with you. I don't think you can stop violence with violence, ever!
So allow the home intruder to do what he pleases as you kneel and pray?
First I don't kneel or pray to any God, but that's beside the point. Second of all, can't you defend your home without a gun? I know I can, and done so, by grabbing the intruder in the neck, and put him in a locked room until the police came.
Besides, no, I never would kill an intruder, my own belonging are certainly not as valuable as a human life! Belongings are replaceable a Human isn't.
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"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
First I don't kneel or pray to any God, but that's beside the point. Second of all, can't you defend your home without a gun? I know I can, and done so, by grabbing the intruder in the neck, and put him in a locked room until the police came.
Besides, no, I never would kill an intruder, my own belonging are certainly not as valuable as a human life! Belongings are replaceable a Human isn't.
A choke hold is violence. You've solved violence with violence!
And the intruder you speak of... was he all of 105 pounds? If it is as simple as picking a 'toddler' up and locking them in a room until the cops came then fair enough. In many cases though, the intruder is capable of a little more fight.
And, for the record, I spoke of using a golf club to defend your home- more than ample. However, for the gun enthusiasts... if someone is breaking into their home and you are unsure of their intent... I have no problem with people using their weapons to stop the intrusion. Expecting people to be patient with people breaking into their homes is highly unreasonable.
Homeowners do not need to ascertain intent before they should feel the need to defend themselves. In fact, I think it is prudent to fear the worst when some idiot is breaking into your home.
We digress though. We should probably let the thread regain its integrity with regards to larger scale violence in the name of religion.
I didn't use a choke hold, but a defense technique i learned at my work where you can restrain a person without harming him. And yes this man was no toddler, but a full grown heavy male. You are right let this treat regain to the subject of violence in the name of religion...
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"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
im not looking for a arguement just a bit of whatever it is i am doing.
put me in a choke hold, run me to a room, lock me in it & call the cops to come arrest me. this is not going to happen like this. you will wrap your arms, legs & feet around my neck & head, i then walk around either bashing you into the corner of a wall while beating you terribly like a punching bag & or body slamming you into your fireplace.
if i am locked in any given room, chances are i could plow my way through the wall or simply go through the door. imagine doing this to a very insane & dangerous individual
they will laugh at you & beat you to death w/ their two hands
One of my best friends daughter was abducted, raped then murdered. She was six years old, the terror and pain she went through is unforgivable and her family is left with a lifetime of trauma. Often times, in my line of work as child advocate, I have seen therapists, psychologists, and all the other "experts" ,believe they can "fix" these type of people, a dangerous trend in today's court systems.
i am sorry & sad
another reason these monsters should be thrown off a cliff
im not looking for a arguement just a bit of whatever it is i am doing.
put me in a choke hold, run me to a room, lock me in it & call the cops to come arrest me. this is not going to happen like this. you will wrap your arms, legs & feet around my neck & head, i then walk around either bashing you into the corner of a wall while beating you terribly like a punching bag & or body slamming you into your fireplace.
if i am locked in any given room, chances are i could plow my way through the wall or simply go through the door. imagine doing this to a very insane & dangerous individual
they will laugh at you & beat you to death w/ their two hands
Well, It did happen, and I'm still writing this, so I haven't been beaten to death. My advantage was, probable the element of surprise. This intruder thought no one was home, and there I was. He was scared as hell... Therefor I could overpower him.
Afterwards I had to clean his shit up, which he dropped when I caught him by surprise..
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
im not looking for a arguement just a bit of whatever it is i am doing.
put me in a choke hold, run me to a room, lock me in it & call the cops to come arrest me. this is not going to happen like this. you will wrap your arms, legs & feet around my neck & head, i then walk around either bashing you into the corner of a wall while beating you terribly like a punching bag & or body slamming you into your fireplace.
if i am locked in any given room, chances are i could plow my way through the wall or simply go through the door. imagine doing this to a very insane & dangerous individual
they will laugh at you & beat you to death w/ their two hands
Well, It did happen, and I'm still writing this, so I haven't been beaten to death. My advantage was, probable the element of surprise. This intruder thought no one was home, and there I was. He was scared as hell... Therefor I could overpower him.
Afterwards I had to clean his shit up, which he dropped when I caught him by surprise..
Nobody's doubting you, but let's be serious: this scenario you describe could just as easily gone sideways on you and you could have been in a fight for your life. I cant recall if you said you had a family behind you that was relying on you. If so... the stakes were pretty high to be so patient with an intruder.
I'm saying that if presented with any scenario where you and your family are facing a threat... I strongly advise anyone to gain the upper hand on the situation and not place yourself in a position where you are regretting not taking aggressive and firm action when the opportunity was afforded to you.
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And I don't believe in any God, because I would hate the bastard if he existed, because all the suffering and grief he puts his world trough. A dictatorship doesn't work in this world so why would it work in any heaven. I also think that in all humans are some good and bad parts, so it isn't possible to have a heaven or hell, cause all people have both sides in them, and do act out both sides.
The greatest problem I have with any religion is the believe that those who don't believe in the same values as the religious person, has lesser value to him, he's a lesser person. I think every person has equal value, no matter what his or her believe system is.
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Aafke.... i like you.
but i'd kill another human if it meant my ass or his. let's assume in my case, my potential assailant is the most wanted murderer in the world; everytime he kills, he ruins a happy family for life... he kills dogs, kittens, babies, kids, teenagers, mothers, fathers, elders and panda bears.... everyone he approaches to kill, just let's him kill them because they think it's better for them not to fight for their own life or to step infront of his gun or axe when it's aimed down upon their daughter. He just keeps killing and ruining lives. He's killed 5,000 great people.... now he's at my door. I hear the door creak open as he enters my house. I'm startled and I head for the closet to grab my shotgun... no screw that... my rifle... oh heck, that aint any fun...so I grab my missile launcher and take the safety off. I walk over towards him as he's standing infront of my creaky door. I blast that asshole away without hesitation. And now my door doesn't squeak anymore. It's WIN-WIN.
Aafke, if you won't do it... I will. You don't have to worry. I'll blast em all! Boondock Saints, yaya.
2010 WATCH IT GO TO FIRE!!
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
i fully believe that if we defend each other, we are doing great work & that is that. please do not let another be violent with you or anyone in your presents. to me this is very wrong & weak. even a 2 year old child will keep kicking the bad guy in the shins when the terrible guy or gal is beating the child's mother. as in the mcdonald's work scene where she beats this tiny mother badly. the small child knows this is out of order & he knows his mother needs help desperately & so the little boy goes for the shins of the crazed goofy ass gal
let me ask you folks a question - do you swat flies, step on spiders & so on?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
And i know that the power of my words is stronger than my physical powers, so that's my weapon of choice. I'm convinced that in every person is some good, and I'm sorry, you don't agree with me. But everyone has the right to his or her own opinion...
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
What about the rest of my answer?
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
sure i have met monsters & i am saddened often i never threw them off a cliff. i never met but a few of the many i know of, mostly stories from dad & his buddies who worked at the prison. do you believe a nasty, disgusting guy can eat, sleep & dream evil acts 24x7 & only wish to torture others the entire time he is alive?
if you can kill a fly for the fly only doing as a fly does then isn't it possible to defend yourself against a violent rapist or what have you? your words & defensive-holds are nothing against this dangerous maniac. words & choke holds? not hardly
& i love words a great deal. i write myself silly & own more dictionaries than most people i know. my creative tongue & defensive tactics mean nothing to a real dangerous freakshow
i wish all of you all the best with your lives,
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I know true pacifist won't allow any killing from happening, and if you can kill a harmless little bug, who can't defend himself against you, is more cruel than killing an equal, so you may interpreted as weak, and maybe I am. I also eat meat, and don't have the strength of killing it myself, so yes I am a hypocrite.
I know myself, in situations where I've been physically attacked, and I've learned that I don't have a fighting spirit, I simply frees, in the first instant, and in second instant I flee.
But I always try to imagine what drives people to act like they do. I try to understand them. In my own experience identifying with people, brings a lot less aggression than, physical force... Cause people are still animals and can feel the aggression, and become out of defense. aggressive themselves. As kindness calms people down... Even the most aggresive bastard...
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Not in my story. this psychotic woman needs no helping. She's killed 5,000 4 year old kids at a children's fair while they were in line to get a picture taken with Santa. Then this bitch came to my door to attack my fridge for a pepsi. Well, that pepsi was MINE... Bazooka to the head. Not one more child needs to die. I have not lowered myself to that standard of this psychopath by eliminating her. I have prevented an obvious trend of mass murder. To not see that, aafke (although I respect you) is fucking insane. You are insane
Waste her away. She has earned her place in the grave. Failure to see that is a failure in humanity! I mean, Come onnnnnnnnnnn. Wake up and smell the coffee! If you can't beat them, join them! If you can't kill them with kindness, just kill them! You'll be alright
oh damn, I didn't even reference a god in here... ummmmmmmmm Phonoi and Kratos approve this message.
2010 WATCH IT GO TO FIRE!!
Who would Jesus bomb?
In my opinion, you Americans are so damn sure that you're right all the time. Every evil life that has been lost doesn't add up to one innocent life you took by "defending" yourself or your loved ones. Look how many gun violence takes place in your country, sure some bastards have been killed with it, but how many innocent lives has it cost. By your second amendment your society approves of violence. In my society, we don't have that right, hell we don't even have the death penalty anymore, because we believe in the point which I stated before If a society allows killing for one reason, who are we to judge an other killer, you lower yourself to there standards. I don't say we don't have our share of bastards in my country, every society has that, but by raising those bastards in a society that upholds physical violence that high, you encourage it and give it room to develop, and take excessive form...
I know I will get a lot of shit coming my way, because some of you aren't very open minded about criticism on Americans,... but this is how I feel.
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I think people are completely out of their mind if they would sit there like a Tibetan monk and accept imminent violence for their family.
There is a case in Calgary right now where we have grandparents and a 5 year old boy missing. It appears from what has been released that they were forcibly taken from their home. The parents are pleading for the safe return of their lost family members. We don't know exactly what has occurred yet so I wont speculate any further than that other than to say my father and I had a discussion about this event while painting yesterday. We both agreed: if some bastard was intending harm for one of our children... we would both respond with corresponding and heightened force. I wouldn't be 'inching my way up' to possibly stop the intended harm. I'd be busting an ass and ensuring nothing occurred. I don't think this makes me a beast. I think this makes me responsible.
I feel nothing for people who harm innocents. And when these innocents are women and children... I become outraged. If the Calgary story proves to be awful... I hope the people responsible die painfully.
My prejudice got the best of me I think.
About the story of Calgary, it sounds horrible, and I hope the grandparents and child will return safely.
But I think people don't fully understand the point I'm trying to make. I don't think you have to sit there like a Tibetan monk, and do nothing. Certainly not, but I think there are more ways to react in those situations than to grab a gun and shoot. I know that is not my way for certain.
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
This is the 'classic' tale that makes me seethe. We relegate the survivors to the bleachers and place the offender in the front row- allotting resources, time and energy into our collective social 'project' for rehabilitating such an obscenity.
I simply couldn't imagine the pain your friend and related (even you) feels.
And your comment speaks to the heart of the matter for me: the terror and pain she went through is unforgivable. Absolutely unforgivable. Don't come 'hat in hand' to us with a tear in your eye after such cruel and twisted depravity.
Some things are inexcusable.
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
For the record, I'm not talking about tuning some guy who fingers you in traffic. If someone breaks into my home, they are going to get close and personal with my 3 iron. I'm not sure if I would offer the opportunity to leave first or not? Would doing so heighten the intruder's awareness level for aggression and make him more difficult to deal with- leaving less of an opportunity to protect my family who is depending on me?
Everything is situational of course. But overall, I think we are talking about the morality of using violence to stop violence. In some cases, its necessary, forced, and hardly immoral.
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Second of all, can't you defend your home without a gun? I know I can, and done so, by grabbing the intruder in the neck, and put him in a locked room until the police came.
Besides, no, I never would kill an intruder, my own belonging are certainly not as valuable as a human life! Belongings are replaceable a Human isn't.
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
And the intruder you speak of... was he all of 105 pounds? If it is as simple as picking a 'toddler' up and locking them in a room until the cops came then fair enough. In many cases though, the intruder is capable of a little more fight.
And, for the record, I spoke of using a golf club to defend your home- more than ample. However, for the gun enthusiasts... if someone is breaking into their home and you are unsure of their intent... I have no problem with people using their weapons to stop the intrusion. Expecting people to be patient with people breaking into their homes is highly unreasonable.
Homeowners do not need to ascertain intent before they should feel the need to defend themselves. In fact, I think it is prudent to fear the worst when some idiot is breaking into your home.
We digress though. We should probably let the thread regain its integrity with regards to larger scale violence in the name of religion.
You are right let this treat regain to the subject of violence in the name of religion...
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
put me in a choke hold, run me to a room, lock me in it & call the cops to come arrest me. this is not going to happen like this. you will wrap your arms, legs & feet around my neck & head, i then walk around either bashing you into the corner of a wall while beating you terribly like a punching bag & or body slamming you into your fireplace.
if i am locked in any given room, chances are i could plow my way through the wall or simply go through the door. imagine doing this to a very insane & dangerous individual
they will laugh at you & beat you to death w/ their two hands
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
another reason these monsters should be thrown off a cliff
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Afterwards I had to clean his shit up, which he dropped when I caught him by surprise..
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
I'm saying that if presented with any scenario where you and your family are facing a threat... I strongly advise anyone to gain the upper hand on the situation and not place yourself in a position where you are regretting not taking aggressive and firm action when the opportunity was afforded to you.
Pretty chancy.