This has to stop

strummers

There was no Wishlist party in Vienna - so, please, no Wishlist conspiracy theories on that front.

This has nothing to do with them as an organisation. There has only been one Euro Wishlist pre-party so far in Europe - so don't use this as an excuse to jump on an ill-advised Wishlist-demonising derailment.

CM189191

From the *** Berlin Fanviews Here 6/26/14 *** thread:

(after the song the audience continues to sing the bridge part. Ed joins them for a bit.
He asks the audience to take three steps back and calls out the middle section when they don’t move. “we can see you are not moving.”)

(After commenting that they like playing the fast songs Ed expresses concern that it is still too crowded up front so he asks the audience to take three steps back and tells the rest of the crowd to “watch the ones in the middle. You are like the soccer player that bites people, you think no one can see you but we can.” This time the entire crowd moves back.)

Any idea who these people might be?!?!

strummers

Berlin was brutal in 2009, lots of crushing by the whole crowd!

covered in bliss

The only arguments I've ever seen in favor of a list are: "what if the line has to move" and "it's stupid to wait in line all day". That's all they've got. Pretty weak.

Few people like confrontation and it would suck to see someone get hurt. Everyone is raking their brains trying to think of a solution when in reality, the easiest solution is simple. The list people just have to stop making a list. Seriously. This would all go away if the list just stopped existing.

Lost In Ohio

plattanz2001 said:

This is just like being in the 10c for 20 years and then having someone join the club a year ago and get better seats or rather, a seat, instead of you... hardee har har har.....

Well hey, that's what happens when someone(s) turns their back during Even Flow and Alive.

...not saying it was you who did that, but when stuff like the above situation happens, it's time to mix it up a bit.

Lost In Ohio

MayDay10 said:

So how are people scoring GA tickets for every show anyways? I cant even get one show.

Ticket buddies. Go to shows, meet new friends. Stagger your tickets with those of your friends, new and old. For example, your options for a random tour might be:
Buffalo GA
Cleveland GA
Pittsburgh GA
Detroit GA
Buffalo Reserved
Cleveland Reserved
Pittsburgh Reserved
Detroit Reserved

Their selections would be basically the exact opposite order. A third buddy might randomize that and a fourth buddy would have the opposite of the third.

If you happen to win reserved and really want the GA, ask around to swap.


OR....if they play LA two nights in row:
LA 1 Seats
LA 2 Pit
LA 2 Seats
LA 1 Pit

Knowing how the system works, it would be foolish (IMO), to put all your eggs into the basket of one night, so to speak. Likewise, get your ticket buddy to do the exact opposite of what you select.



...makes sense??

PJ_Soul

Hugh Freaking Dillon said:

10C nor the band can be responsible for what people do outside the venue before the show. they could say "don't line up" all they want. People still will. the band has no authority over this. Security at the door probably isn't the band's security, either, it's the venue's. And the venue folks don't give two shits about people lining up. so unless there's an uprising by the non-listers, nothing will change. and unfortunately, an uprising will only cause everyone's time to be ruined or people not allowed in the venue at all.

I've seen venue security doing all kinds of things at the request of the performers in terms of fan club ticket control.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

stickfig13 said:

Hugh Freaking Dillon said:

um, I don't know if calling out the Wishlist organizers out as criminals is wise or justified. Maybe it's people who attend those pre parties, but I can't see it being the organizers.

Wise? Is the Pearl Jam mafia gonna revoke the membership I have faithfully paid for since forever?

I'm not accusing Wishlist of anything. I'm saying that there is a certain group of groupies that seem to set the rules for the first ten rows of people every damn show I attend. I notice some of them at pre-parties on a consistent basis.

I think it's BS.

Wise as in making accusations against a group of people that do good. Jesus, man, take a breath. You actually did accuse the organizers directly. Look back at your post.

badbrains

Hugh Freaking Dillon said:

stickfig13 said:

Hugh Freaking Dillon said:

um, I don't know if calling out the Wishlist organizers out as criminals is wise or justified. Maybe it's people who attend those pre parties, but I can't see it being the organizers.

Wise? Is the Pearl Jam mafia gonna revoke the membership I have faithfully paid for since forever?

I'm not accusing Wishlist of anything. I'm saying that there is a certain group of groupies that seem to set the rules for the first ten rows of people every damn show I attend. I notice some of them at pre-parties on a consistent basis.

I think it's BS.

Wise as in making accusations against a group of people that do good. Jesus, man, take a breath. You actually did accuse the organizers directly. Look back at your post.

Not for nothing Hugh, but I dnt see any of them on here defending themselves from the "rumors" going around. And just because some of them are doing good work, doesn't make it right for them to dictate who goes where in the GA. If that's the case, then shit, sign me on. I'll have no problem working the preparty fundraisers at all the shows if you're telling me my place will be saved for rail and I dnt have to wait in line all day.

Again, these are rumors some of us heard. If they're not true, then I'm sure we'd all love to hear their side of it. Hard to believe that it's 2014 and people have nothing better to do with their lives then to groupie around with this band. I can understand catching 4-5 shows a tour but to make your life revolve around a rail and pearl jam, shits fucken crazy. What happens to all these people when pearl jam is done? What will they do next? Serious question.

Hugh, I hope you dnt take this as me coming at you. My problem is in no way with you.

melissachun

PJ_Soul said:

Hugh Freaking Dillon said:

10C nor the band can be responsible for what people do outside the venue before the show.

I've seen venue security doing all kinds of things at the request of the performers in terms of fan club ticket control.

They can get security or a 10c person to be out there all day, but there's a cost associated with it. Them having to pay this person will probably result in a higher ticket price or higher 10c dues. The "listers" are selfish and will probably never change. It doesn't have to get ugly or violent. The rest of us just need to refuse to accept the legitimacy of their "system." Taking a stand for fairness is very PJ-esque.

JV130312

Not much defense of the list here...where are all the people that use the list? They don't want to go public?

shortstack

Lost In Ohio said:

plattanz2001 said:

This is just like being in the 10c for 20 years and then having someone join the club a year ago and get better seats or rather, a seat, instead of you... hardee har har har.....

Well hey, that's what happens when someone(s) turns their back during Even Flow and Alive.

...not saying it was you who did that, but when stuff like the above situation happens, it's time to mix it up a bit.

i don't really think that's the reason they changed it to GA.... but ok.

and once again.... anyone have proof of this back turning?

melissachun

JV130312 said:

Not much defense of the list here...where are all the people that use the list? They don't want to go public?

They probably have their own elite forum, where the come up with their master plans and complain about the non-listers.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

badbrains said:

Hugh Freaking Dillon said:

stickfig13 said:

Hugh Freaking Dillon said:

um, I don't know if calling out the Wishlist organizers out as criminals is wise or justified. Maybe it's people who attend those pre parties, but I can't see it being the organizers.

Wise? Is the Pearl Jam mafia gonna revoke the membership I have faithfully paid for since forever?

I'm not accusing Wishlist of anything. I'm saying that there is a certain group of groupies that seem to set the rules for the first ten rows of people every damn show I attend. I notice some of them at pre-parties on a consistent basis.

I think it's BS.

Wise as in making accusations against a group of people that do good. Jesus, man, take a breath. You actually did accuse the organizers directly. Look back at your post.

Not for nothing Hugh, but I dnt see any of them on here defending themselves from the "rumors" going around. And just because some of them are doing good work, doesn't make it right for them to dictate who goes where in the GA. If that's the case, then shit, sign me on. I'll have no problem working the preparty fundraisers at all the shows if you're telling me my place will be saved for rail and I dnt have to wait in line all day.

Again, these are rumors some of us heard. If they're not true, then I'm sure we'd all love to hear their side of it. Hard to believe that it's 2014 and people have nothing better to do with their lives then to groupie around with this band. I can understand catching 4-5 shows a tour but to make your life revolve around a rail and pearl jam, shits fucken crazy. What happens to all these people when pearl jam is done? What will they do next? Serious question.

Hugh, I hope you dnt take this as me coming at you. My problem is in no way with you.

I have zero issue with how someone chooses to live their life and what they do with their time. Its all relative. Some people think im nuts just for travelling once per tour to see a band I have seen 4 times already. So i wont judge others for doing what they do. Its just the saving spots i have an issue with.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

JV130312 said:

Hugh Freaking Dillon said:

10C nor the band can be responsible for what people do outside the venue before the show. they could say "don't line up" all they want. People still will. the band has no authority over this. Security at the door probably isn't the band's security, either, it's the venue's. And the venue folks don't give two shits about people lining up. so unless there's an uprising by the non-listers, nothing will change. and unfortunately, an uprising will only cause everyone's time to be ruined or people not allowed in the venue at all.

They can get rid of the "general admission" areas.

But the north american fans have been begging for GA for years. They are only listening to their fans, which is what we all want, right?

SPEEDY MCCREADY

One thing is a fact.
Come October, we will all know who is running the line and the lists.

Im sure there will be plenty of pictures and video.

Cant wait!

badbrains

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

One thing is a fact.
Come October, we will all know who is running the line and the lists.

Im sure there will be plenty of pictures and video.

Cant wait!

Amazing how NONE of them have come forward and defended their practices of this list. Hmmmmm, they must know that they're def wrong in this matter and dnt want to show their faces around here. They MOST DEF know there are threads going around about their list. We'd all love for them to come speak out instead of hiding like cowards. So come on people, show us "who you are".....

TroubledSoul

JV130312 said:

Not much defense of the list here...where are all the people that use the list? They don't want to go public?

TSIS? maybe there's a new underground elite forum these days. private FB groups probably...

ikiT

If you see "the list", bust out that smartphone and photograph it.
Simply fire it off in an email to
tickets@tenclub.net
info@tenclub.net
Problem effing solved.

releaseNY

I think the list NON-abusers have spoken out countless times in the past. Not like this isn't the 1,000th thread on this topic, which has been debated tour after tour, here and on FB. I think they've said their piece.

And the list abusers, other than saying, "I am an asshole and I will do whatever I want and screw anyone and everyone around me to get what I want," what do you expect from them?

Personally I hate GA. I never put in for it. I also think that whole notion of "the band wants to see new faces up front" issue was solved with the row lottery years ago. I have a low number and only ever put in for reserved and avoid all this GA line kluster.