America's Gun Violence

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,947
    There was a terrorist on the cover of Rolling Stone??
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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,060
    PJ_Soul said:

    There was a terrorist on the cover of Rolling Stone??

    The Boston Marathon Bomber.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,947
    dudeman said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    There was a terrorist on the cover of Rolling Stone??

    The Boston Marathon Bomber.
    Well that's stupid.
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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,060
    Anything to sell copies. That's the American way.
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  • PJ_Soul said:

    dudeman said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    There was a terrorist on the cover of Rolling Stone??

    The Boston Marathon Bomber.
    Well that's stupid.
    holy shit. I didn't know that. just reinforces my previous position of stop making these fucking guys famous.

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  • PJ_Soul said:

    dudeman said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    There was a terrorist on the cover of Rolling Stone??

    The Boston Marathon Bomber.
    Well that's stupid.
    holy shit. I didn't know that. just reinforces my previous position of stop making these fucking guys famous.

    If I recall correctly... they kind of made him appear like Jim Morrison.
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  • u got into a fight..or u hate someone..the blood is under your head..
    and in the moment,,u say..ill kill the son of the bitch....and u go home and take your gun which u have cos its legal..and easy to find..and return and u shoot the asshole..
    thats one scenario
    let take another scenario..

    u got into a fight..or u hate someone..the blood is under your head..
    and in the moment,,u say..ill kill the son of the bitch....and u go home ..and u dont have any gun..,and u cant find one,,and u dotn have money to buy one.and u are not allowed to buy one.,.and u start thinking..where to find a gun..?what to do?and if they caugh me with illigal gun before i shoot him??
    let take a moment..lets think about it...
    thats exactly the time u may need to cool things off and u not become a murderer
    was a fuckin bad moment,.lets cool itr off,,lets forget the asshole..lets calm..,no need to be fatal...
    maybe a few lifes would be saved ..just cos someone didnt have access to any gun at the heat of the moment..
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    PJ_Soul said:

    dudeman said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    There was a terrorist on the cover of Rolling Stone??

    The Boston Marathon Bomber.
    Well that's stupid.
    holy shit. I didn't know that. just reinforces my previous position of stop making these fucking guys famous.

    If I recall correctly... they kind of made him appear like Jim Morrison.
    Yes. They made him out to be a sex symbol.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,947

    u got into a fight..or u hate someone..the blood is under your head..
    and in the moment,,u say..ill kill the son of the bitch....and u go home and take your gun which u have cos its legal..and easy to find..and return and u shoot the asshole..
    thats one scenario
    let take another scenario..

    u got into a fight..or u hate someone..the blood is under your head..
    and in the moment,,u say..ill kill the son of the bitch....and u go home ..and u dont have any gun..,and u cant find one,,and u dotn have money to buy one.and u are not allowed to buy one.,.and u start thinking..where to find a gun..?what to do?and if they caugh me with illigal gun before i shoot him??
    let take a moment..lets think about it...
    thats exactly the time u may need to cool things off and u not become a murderer
    was a fuckin bad moment,.lets cool itr off,,lets forget the asshole..lets calm..,no need to be fatal...
    maybe a few lifes would be saved ..just cos someone didnt have access to any gun at the heat of the moment..

    Yes, agreed. Heat of the moment shootings would definitely go way down if fewer people had guns.
    (although that doesn't seem like the case in this particular shooting. The man went home and got his wife, and they both dressed up in combat gear. They had also dropped off their kid with family earlier in the day. That isn't behaviour that they thought of spur of the moment!)
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Remember getting copy of rolling stone(got couple issues free for ordering from place) and saw dick on cover. Happen to be trash day and threw directly in trash can.

    Think how CNN and Fox are profiting from terrorism.

    Wonder if we should ignore these events. 24 hour news sure has helped the terrorists. Have police hunt them down but brief mention.
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  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,166
    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    dudeman said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    There was a terrorist on the cover of Rolling Stone??

    The Boston Marathon Bomber.
    Well that's stupid.
    holy shit. I didn't know that. just reinforces my previous position of stop making these fucking guys famous.

    If I recall correctly... they kind of made him appear like Jim Morrison.
    Yes. They made him out to be a sex symbol.
    I cancelled my subscription right after receiving that issue.
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  • u got into a fight..or u hate someone..the blood is under your head..
    and in the moment,,u say..ill kill the son of the bitch....and u go home and take your gun which u have cos its legal..and easy to find..and return and u shoot the asshole..
    thats one scenario
    let take another scenario..

    u got into a fight..or u hate someone..the blood is under your head..
    and in the moment,,u say..ill kill the son of the bitch....and u go home ..and u dont have any gun..,and u cant find one,,and u dotn have money to buy one.and u are not allowed to buy one.,.and u start thinking..where to find a gun..?what to do?and if they caugh me with illigal gun before i shoot him??
    let take a moment..lets think about it...
    thats exactly the time u may need to cool things off and u not become a murderer
    was a fuckin bad moment,.lets cool itr off,,lets forget the asshole..lets calm..,no need to be fatal...
    maybe a few lifes would be saved ..just cos someone didnt have access to any gun at the heat of the moment..

    They had PLENTY of time to plant the 3 bomb/IED's that didn't go off or the stash of them that were in their house.

    They must have been angry for a while then...
  • PP193448PP193448 Posts: 4,281
    dudeman said:

    Anything to sell copies. That's the American way.

    I think you meant the greedy corporate way. I'd bet there are similar greedy corporate fuckers outside America too...
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  • ldent42ldent42 Posts: 7,859
    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/56608755e4b08e945fee73e5
    Regardless, the amendment meant to improve funding for services treating mental illness and substance abuse disorders failed in a 47-52 vote. The measure blocking individuals suspected of terrorism from purchasing guns and explosives failed 45-54. In what was primarily a party-line vote, a couple of senators defected. Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.) voted with Republicans against the amendment, while Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) joined Democrats in supporting it.
    The final gun control-related measure pushed by Democrats failed in a 48-50 vote. The amendment, offered by Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), would have expanded background checks for people purchasing firearms at gun shows and on the Internet. It was the same bill Manchin introduced with Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) in 2013 in the wake of the Sandy Hook shooting. Four Republicans, including Toomey, joined Democrats in voting for the measure on Thursday: Sens. Susan Collins (R-Maine), John McCain (R-Ariz.), and Mark Kirk (R-Ill.). Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) didn't vote.
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    I want gun ownership to be as boring and annoying as car ownership. I want you to go to some Department of Weapons and sit for hours. I want folks who own guns to prove their skill, their mental and physical health, and to be licensed and reviewed over the years just as happens with our driver's licenses. You earn the right to own and drive a vehicle; earn the right to own and use a gun.
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  • PP193448PP193448 Posts: 4,281
    edited December 2015
    Umm last I renewed all I needed was the fee, good hearing, and good eyesight to get my new drivers license. You only have to prove your driving skills when you're 16. That's why we have 80 year olds running people over "accidentally" hitting the gas instead of the brake... No skills review. Why not have driving tests every 5-10 years or something??
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,947

    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    dudeman said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    There was a terrorist on the cover of Rolling Stone??

    The Boston Marathon Bomber.
    Well that's stupid.
    holy shit. I didn't know that. just reinforces my previous position of stop making these fucking guys famous.

    If I recall correctly... they kind of made him appear like Jim Morrison.
    Yes. They made him out to be a sex symbol.
    I cancelled my subscription right after receiving that issue.
    Kay, I looked up the cover... It is really really wring that they put the guy on the cover, but sex symbol? Jim Morrison? Huh? It's just a photo of a guy who has longish curly hair.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    dudeman said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    There was a terrorist on the cover of Rolling Stone??

    The Boston Marathon Bomber.
    Well that's stupid.
    holy shit. I didn't know that. just reinforces my previous position of stop making these fucking guys famous.

    If I recall correctly... they kind of made him appear like Jim Morrison.
    Yes. They made him out to be a sex symbol.
    I cancelled my subscription right after receiving that issue.
    Kay, I looked up the cover... It is really really wring that they put the guy on the cover, but sex symbol? Jim Morrison? Huh? It's just a photo of a guy who has longish curly hair.
    Glamorizing a mass murderer? Yes... it's morally wrong. They can do it to sell their rag... but if people choose not to buy it or cancel their subscription... that's their right as a consumer.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html?_r=1

    How They Got Their Guns

    The guns used in 15 recent mass shootings, including the attack in San Bernardino, were bought legally. At least eight gunmen had criminal histories or documented mental health problems that did not prevent them from obtaining their weapons.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    dignin said:

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html?_r=1

    How They Got Their Guns

    The guns used in 15 recent mass shootings, including the attack in San Bernardino, were bought legally. At least eight gunmen had criminal histories or documented mental health problems that did not prevent them from obtaining their weapons.

    This is clearly a major problem and there should absolutely be legislation to stop it. A big issue now though is medical records privacy etc. Our society has really moved to a place where we try not to label people with mental health issues in a negative way. I believe the pendulum has swung to far in that direction and there has to be a reasonable way to prevent gun sales to this population.
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  • BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html?_r=1

    How They Got Their Guns

    The guns used in 15 recent mass shootings, including the attack in San Bernardino, were bought legally. At least eight gunmen had criminal histories or documented mental health problems that did not prevent them from obtaining their weapons.

    This is clearly a major problem and there should absolutely be legislation to stop it. A big issue now though is medical records privacy etc. Our society has really moved to a place where we try not to label people with mental health issues in a negative way. I believe the pendulum has swung to far in that direction and there has to be a reasonable way to prevent gun sales to this population.
    Hello Patriot act part Deux!!!
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,526
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    California has pretty strict gun laws. France even stricter. They did not prevent these attacks. Confront the ideology.

    It doesn't matter how strict their laws are...there is no border check when you enter California to make sure your weapons adhere to CA laws. Until there is national law your argument is weak.
    France had national law. So did Belgium yet it didn't stop the Paris Attacks. Also we don't know yet where the San Bernadino guns came from. Were they purchased in California? If that's the case then a Federal law would not have made a difference. Again most of you are speaking as if their is some mythical loophole that is currently not being enforced. If new laws are your agenda then someone somewhere please list one that would actually have an impact!
    You do get the fact the EU citizens have little to no checks on cross border travel within the EU? So really its a similar set up to the across state lines travel we enjoy here.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    California has pretty strict gun laws. France even stricter. They did not prevent these attacks. Confront the ideology.

    It doesn't matter how strict their laws are...there is no border check when you enter California to make sure your weapons adhere to CA laws. Until there is national law your argument is weak.
    France had national law. So did Belgium yet it didn't stop the Paris Attacks. Also we don't know yet where the San Bernadino guns came from. Were they purchased in California? If that's the case then a Federal law would not have made a difference. Again most of you are speaking as if their is some mythical loophole that is currently not being enforced. If new laws are your agenda then someone somewhere please list one that would actually have an impact!
    You do get the fact the EU citizens have little to no checks on cross border travel within the EU? So really its a similar set up to the across state lines travel we enjoy here.
    I do get that but I am pretty sure the gun laws of the two countries are relatively the same. I have assumed (but actually don't know) that all of those guns were purchased illegally.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    edited December 2015

    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html?_r=1

    How They Got Their Guns

    The guns used in 15 recent mass shootings, including the attack in San Bernardino, were bought legally. At least eight gunmen had criminal histories or documented mental health problems that did not prevent them from obtaining their weapons.

    This is clearly a major problem and there should absolutely be legislation to stop it. A big issue now though is medical records privacy etc. Our society has really moved to a place where we try not to label people with mental health issues in a negative way. I believe the pendulum has swung to far in that direction and there has to be a reasonable way to prevent gun sales to this population.
    Hello Patriot act part Deux!!!

    That is exactly the problem! Always a civil liberties trade off and I guarantee physicians will not like any "must report" criteria for good reason.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336

    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html?_r=1

    How They Got Their Guns

    The guns used in 15 recent mass shootings, including the attack in San Bernardino, were bought legally. At least eight gunmen had criminal histories or documented mental health problems that did not prevent them from obtaining their weapons.

    This is clearly a major problem and there should absolutely be legislation to stop it. A big issue now though is medical records privacy etc. Our society has really moved to a place where we try not to label people with mental health issues in a negative way. I believe the pendulum has swung to far in that direction and there has to be a reasonable way to prevent gun sales to this population.
    Hello Patriot act part Deux!!!
    Not the same thing at all. Mass surveillance of Americans vs. background checks to buy a dangerous product.
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited December 2015
    So now they are saying that these guns were bought legally in the state of California, a state with some of the most strict of gun laws... They were not shipped in from another state, sold at a gun show, they passed background checks, did not buy them online, etc... People with a motive will find a means, how do you prevent a motive??? Maybe social media is perpetuating this violence, should we do a background check before people create a Facebook account?
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  • PJPOWER said:

    So now they are saying that these guns were bought legally in the state of California, a state with some of the most strict of gun laws... They were not shipped in from another state, sold at a gun show, they passed background checks, did not buy them online, etc... People with a motive will find a means, how do you prevent a motive??? Maybe social media is perpetuating this violence, should we do a background check before people create a Facebook account?

    yes, bought legally as the laws are now. people are wanting more stringent background checks, mental health checks, etc etc.

    you should have to get a referral from your doctor before you can get one.

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