America's Gun Violence

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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,147
    In the hours before the Dayton shooting, the Twitter account "liked" several tweets about a shooting in El Paso that left 22 dead, including one supporting gun control and others that called the El Paso shooting suspect a "terrorist," and a "white supremacist."
    The account retweeted messages supporting Sens. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, as well as posts against ICE agents, including one that said, "these people are monsters," and multiple posts condemning police, and supporting Antifa protesters, who often use violent tactics.
    There were also many tweets of selfies, photos with a friend and ordinary memes and nonpolitical content.
    The account was suspended by Twitter on Sunday evening. A Twitter spokesperson would not comment on the account, only saying in a statement, "We're proactively removing content that violates our policies and will be engaged with law enforcement, as appropriate."


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    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
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  • KatKat Posts: 4,866
    mrussel1 said:
    Kat said:
    I did hear some discussion while watching MSNBC. It appears the Ohio tragedy may not have been political but they are still investigating. I'd like to see more coverage on all networks of the protests. I've seen a little but if they aren't covered, it's not going to help. The People Need To Be Heard......
    Be safe.

    I am wondering if it was a domestic issue...his sister was one of the first he murdered...
    Yeah, he actually went there with his sister and killed her right away.  Seems targeted.  I can't even imagine what the parents are feeling right now.  Beyond comprehension.  
    Also, his sister's companion was also one of the first killed as well...

    This one is best left to the police to figure out and I'm sure we'll know soon enough.  El Paso is obvious.  
    Has the companion now died? The last I heard, he was recovering and I imagine sharing what he knows, if possible. He may have the answers.

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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,147
    My link says that he killed his sister and eight "seemingly random" bystanders
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    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    Kat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Kat said:
    I did hear some discussion while watching MSNBC. It appears the Ohio tragedy may not have been political but they are still investigating. I'd like to see more coverage on all networks of the protests. I've seen a little but if they aren't covered, it's not going to help. The People Need To Be Heard......
    Be safe.

    I am wondering if it was a domestic issue...his sister was one of the first he murdered...
    Yeah, he actually went there with his sister and killed her right away.  Seems targeted.  I can't even imagine what the parents are feeling right now.  Beyond comprehension.  
    Also, his sister's companion was also one of the first killed as well...

    This one is best left to the police to figure out and I'm sure we'll know soon enough.  El Paso is obvious.  
    Has the companion now died? The last I heard, he was recovering and I imagine sharing what he knows, if possible. He may have the answers.

    I did not realize he was still alive.  That is good news.  Yes, maybe he has the answers.  No doubt the shooter had a troubled past.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,969
    mrussel1 said:
    Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 
    Apparently, we cannot discuss other shootings here unless it's considered a mass shooting...at least that's the impression I got when some dude was flapping his gums after I posted all the Chicago shootings.
    I think the difficulty is conflating the two issues.  While gun violence is a problem, mass shootings are a very specific problem that are perpetrated in a very specific way.  I believe when we try to discuss them in tandem, it's easy for the 2A nutjobs to say "See, banning assault rifles isn't going to solve this problem, look at Chicago".  When to me, the solutions are incremental.  Gang violence and domestic violence seem to be the most difficult ones, whereas banning high capacity clips, ARs, etc. can help alleviate the carnage in the mass shootings.  
    Tee hee, hee, hee, you said, “clips.”
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,147
    Kat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Kat said:
    I did hear some discussion while watching MSNBC. It appears the Ohio tragedy may not have been political but they are still investigating. I'd like to see more coverage on all networks of the protests. I've seen a little but if they aren't covered, it's not going to help. The People Need To Be Heard......
    Be safe.

    I am wondering if it was a domestic issue...his sister was one of the first he murdered...
    Yeah, he actually went there with his sister and killed her right away.  Seems targeted.  I can't even imagine what the parents are feeling right now.  Beyond comprehension.  
    Also, his sister's companion was also one of the first killed as well...

    This one is best left to the police to figure out and I'm sure we'll know soon enough.  El Paso is obvious.  
    Has the companion now died? The last I heard, he was recovering and I imagine sharing what he knows, if possible. He may have the answers.

    I did not realize he was still alive.  That is good news.  Yes, maybe he has the answers.  No doubt the shooter had a troubled past.
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/04/us/dayton-shooting-victims/index.html

    yes...companion still alive and talking to police
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    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,147
    mrussel1 said:
    Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 
    Apparently, we cannot discuss other shootings here unless it's considered a mass shooting...at least that's the impression I got when some dude was flapping his gums after I posted all the Chicago shootings.
    I think the difficulty is conflating the two issues.  While gun violence is a problem, mass shootings are a very specific problem that are perpetrated in a very specific way.  I believe when we try to discuss them in tandem, it's easy for the 2A nutjobs to say "See, banning assault rifles isn't going to solve this problem, look at Chicago".  When to me, the solutions are incremental.  Gang violence and domestic violence seem to be the most difficult ones, whereas banning high capacity clips, ARs, etc. can help alleviate the carnage in the mass shootings.  
    Tee hee, hee, hee, you said, “clips.”
    let me guess...it wasn't an "assault" rifle either right?
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,969
    mrussel1 said:
    Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 
    Apparently, we cannot discuss other shootings here unless it's considered a mass shooting...at least that's the impression I got when some dude was flapping his gums after I posted all the Chicago shootings.
    I think the difficulty is conflating the two issues.  While gun violence is a problem, mass shootings are a very specific problem that are perpetrated in a very specific way.  I believe when we try to discuss them in tandem, it's easy for the 2A nutjobs to say "See, banning assault rifles isn't going to solve this problem, look at Chicago".  When to me, the solutions are incremental.  Gang violence and domestic violence seem to be the most difficult ones, whereas banning high capacity clips, ARs, etc. can help alleviate the carnage in the mass shootings.  
    Tee hee, hee, hee, you said, “clips.”
    let me guess...it wasn't an "assault" rifle either right?
    You’ve been around these parts, a while, I reckon?
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,147
    mrussel1 said:
    Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 
    Apparently, we cannot discuss other shootings here unless it's considered a mass shooting...at least that's the impression I got when some dude was flapping his gums after I posted all the Chicago shootings.
    I think the difficulty is conflating the two issues.  While gun violence is a problem, mass shootings are a very specific problem that are perpetrated in a very specific way.  I believe when we try to discuss them in tandem, it's easy for the 2A nutjobs to say "See, banning assault rifles isn't going to solve this problem, look at Chicago".  When to me, the solutions are incremental.  Gang violence and domestic violence seem to be the most difficult ones, whereas banning high capacity clips, ARs, etc. can help alleviate the carnage in the mass shootings.  
    Tee hee, hee, hee, you said, “clips.”
    let me guess...it wasn't an "assault" rifle either right?
    You’ve been around these parts, a while, I reckon?
    I live in red meat Indiana
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 6,950
    Chicago is a very big city. The heavy majority of these shootings take place in a few neighborhoods that are completely overtaken by gangs and drug dealers. Nothing new in these areas. 
  • Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 



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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,480
    Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 



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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,514
    mcgruff10 said:
    Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 



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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,969
    mcgruff10 said:
    Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 



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  • vaggar99vaggar99 Posts: 3,427
    Kat said:
    I've played video games most of my life and not once, not even a little bit, did I think I should go out and kill people.
    Other countries have people with mental illness but the U.S. is the only one with gun carnage like we have.
    Why is that, I wonder? Is it too obvious to think it's because there are too many guns...military weapons? I think not. It's slaughter now. We have to vote out the people blocking possible solutions. We have to keep trying to get it right. Have a safe evening.
    What type of games though?  I do feel like certain games desensitize people who are already predisposed to sociopathic behavior to the idea of killing.
  • vaggar99 said:
    Kat said:
    I've played video games most of my life and not once, not even a little bit, did I think I should go out and kill people.
    Other countries have people with mental illness but the U.S. is the only one with gun carnage like we have.
    Why is that, I wonder? Is it too obvious to think it's because there are too many guns...military weapons? I think not. It's slaughter now. We have to vote out the people blocking possible solutions. We have to keep trying to get it right. Have a safe evening.
    What type of games though?  I do feel like certain games desensitize people who are already predisposed to sociopathic behavior to the idea of killing.

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  • vaggar99vaggar99 Posts: 3,427
    vaggar99 said:
    Kat said:
    I've played video games most of my life and not once, not even a little bit, did I think I should go out and kill people.
    Other countries have people with mental illness but the U.S. is the only one with gun carnage like we have.
    Why is that, I wonder? Is it too obvious to think it's because there are too many guns...military weapons? I think not. It's slaughter now. We have to vote out the people blocking possible solutions. We have to keep trying to get it right. Have a safe evening.
    What type of games though?  I do feel like certain games desensitize people who are already predisposed to sociopathic behavior to the idea of killing.

    but in South Korea, are they into the first person shooters?
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,480
    edited August 2019
    vaggar99 said:
    Kat said:
    I've played video games most of my life and not once, not even a little bit, did I think I should go out and kill people.
    Other countries have people with mental illness but the U.S. is the only one with gun carnage like we have.
    Why is that, I wonder? Is it too obvious to think it's because there are too many guns...military weapons? I think not. It's slaughter now. We have to vote out the people blocking possible solutions. We have to keep trying to get it right. Have a safe evening.
    What type of games though?  I do feel like certain games desensitize people who are already predisposed to sociopathic behavior to the idea of killing.

    South Korea does have a lot of suicides. Don’t pick and chose the data you use to fit your own narrative.  Show the whole picture.
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
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    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    mcgruff10 said:
    Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 



    Even a broken clock is right two Times a day.  
    No he's implying that I'm parroting Ivanka, or that I agree with Ivanka. He does this whenever someone posts something that's critical of the left or can construed as right-wing. Apparently he follows Ivanka Trump on twitter? Ugh...

    Truth be told, I didn't even know about this Chicago shooting (due to lack of coverage I guess) until this morning when I was talking to someone about the Texas and Ohio shootings, and they brought up Chicago. And I thought that a death toll of seven and over forty people wounded would fit in with the other shootings, so I posted this. And yeah, I did imply with my rhetorical questions that the media doesn't care about shootings like this because there's no white supremacy angle to take like in El Paso (which is a case where that angle SHOULD be brought up), and no "assault-style" rifles. 
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  • "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,435
    mcgruff10 said:
    Weird, I expected Swedish Women to have the highest rate.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 
    Discuss away.



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    Stop the straw purchasing of firearms in the shangra la of indianer and you’ll see a drop in gun violence in Chicago. Fully fund the ATF to investigate and prosecute straw buyers and gun shops and start holding those “responsible” gun owners accountable and you’ll see a drop in gun violence. But Moscow Mitchy Baby is a wholly owned subsidiary of the NRA. Nothing can be done.
    I want this just like you do. And yes, McConnell is the fucking worst. Frankly, he might be the single worst senator of my lifetime. 
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,504
    edited August 2019
    mcgruff10 said:
    Weird, I expected Swedish Women to have the highest rate.
    You really need to step up whatever you are doing a notch.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 
    Politicize?  How is discussing ways to reduce violent mass murders politicizing?  I realize that is how the right wing wants to frame it but get real.
    No discussing ways to reduce mass murder isn’t politicizing, and really should be done more often, not just when there are mass shootings. But from a media coverage standpoint, this was still a mass shooting but didn’t get much coverage. And this shit happens in Chicago all the time. So is it just normalized now in Chicago and not worth the time to talk about how to fix the most violent city in the country? 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,969
    Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 
    Politicize?  How is discussing ways to reduce violent mass murders politicizing?  I realize that is how the right wing wants to frame it but get real.
    No discussing ways to reduce mass murder isn’t politicizing, and really should be done more often, not just when there are mass shootings. But from a media coverage standpoint, this was still a mass shooting but didn’t get much coverage. And this shit happens in Chicago all the time. So is it just normalized now in Chicago and not worth the time to talk about how to fix the most violent city in the country? 
    It’s normalized in ‘Murica. The gun control crowd has been concerned with all gun violence since Rayguns was shot. That inner city gun violence where minorities are the majority victims doesn’t get more press coverage, public concern or attention from elected representatives, particularly repubs, shouldn’t surprise you. Kinda like crack versus powder cocaine, drug overdoses and prison sentences. 4 people were killed in Wisconsin the same day as the garlic festival and it didn’t even get a mention. Pretty soon you won’t even hear about a mass shooting where 9 or 10 are killed in 30 seconds so common it’ll be.And you can thank Moscow Mitchy Baby,the NRA and repubs in general.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,662
    mcgruff10 said:
    Weird, I expected Swedish Women to have the highest rate.
    You really need to step up whatever you are doing a notch.
    No, the subtlety is just perfect.  
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,504
    edited August 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Weird, I expected Swedish Women to have the highest rate.
    You really need to step up whatever you are doing a notch.
    No, the subtlety is just perfect.  
    At least they have the right to maternal leave. And the right to abortions. And don't have to marry at 12. And are not like in the US being held back by you and your 'murican brothers.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,969
    And for the record, I have posted article after article about what is wrong with ‘Murica and it’s gun laws, or lack or weakening thereof, everything from “responsible” gun shop owners not hardening their stores to prevent theft (waaaa, too expensive), to the ATF’s defunding of their enforcement capability, to “responsible” gun owners shooting shit, killing innocents and not suffering any consequences. So yea, ‘Murica is numb to it. Quick, without looking it up, how long ago was Vegas?
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    Two years ago. But I only know that because I was reading up on it the other day. 
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