America's Gun Violence

my2hands

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Armed guards on every street corner lol.

If the schools with armed teachers and seals are impenetrable... then psychos will go to a senior centre or daycare. With assault rifles no less.

Just goofy. Even the most ardent second amendment supporter must be questioning the logic behind trying to maintain the status quo and ensuring public safety.

The tail wags the dog.

I had a seminar with our pd the other day and one statistic shows that mass shootings in schools are down percentage wise because of the fact that they are more secure.  Criminals aren't stupid, you make schools more secure then they go for something less secure like open air concerts or this vet hospital. Craziness.

I would really like to see those statistics. Mass school shootings are statistically very rare, even though each one captures our attention, so I have trouble believing that there are any valid stats around shootings being reduced because schools are “more secure”. 

First chance I get I will email him and ask him for his footnotes. 

Please post any data that you can get.

To be honest, I'm already highly skeptical of this claim. Putting it into perspective, it is considered to be very difficult to research effectiveness of interventions to prevent completed suicide, because it is considered a statistically rare event. A properly constructed study may still end up with no or such a small number of completed suicides that no conclusions can be drawn from the data. Instead, proxy measures like suicidal ideation or suicide attempts are used, though these are inaccurate. Thus, population based data is sometimes used, but in those cases generally only correlations can be made, without clear causation.

In the USA, there are roughly 45,000 suicides a year. Roughly 123 every day. And that's considered rare.

Compare that to any school shooting (let alone "mass school shootings"), of which there have been 291 since 2013. An average of one per week. In one day there are more deaths by suicide than the number of school shootings in an entire year. What is the likelihood that anyone has valid data yet on whether any particular intervention reliably reduces school shootings?

And I'l say it again, though I've said it before - school shootings aren't random acts of violence. These individuals target the school, with its students and teachers, precisely because it is/was their school. The ones that want to shoot up a school are not the ones that are just going to pick another target.

And... on the 'rarer' occasion where some f**king idiot wants to grab his handy dandy weapon of war and kill a bunch of kids in a school that isn't his school (Lanza and Sandy Hook)... he can easily do so.

"Anything... and I mean aaaaanything outside of removing these types of guns and all their related cool features I am completely in favour of!" says the guy who pretends to really care. "Arm the teachers. Place armed guards in the schools. Give kids bulletproof vests. Theeeeese are the real answers!"

When they know nobody is there to stop them...

You do know that almost all of these shooters go into the situation expecting to die, right? That prospect isn’t a deterrent. 

Please stop making sense

Halifax2TheMax

my2hands said:

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Armed guards on every street corner lol.

If the schools with armed teachers and seals are impenetrable... then psychos will go to a senior centre or daycare. With assault rifles no less.

Just goofy. Even the most ardent second amendment supporter must be questioning the logic behind trying to maintain the status quo and ensuring public safety.

The tail wags the dog.

I had a seminar with our pd the other day and one statistic shows that mass shootings in schools are down percentage wise because of the fact that they are more secure.  Criminals aren't stupid, you make schools more secure then they go for something less secure like open air concerts or this vet hospital. Craziness.

I would really like to see those statistics. Mass school shootings are statistically very rare, even though each one captures our attention, so I have trouble believing that there are any valid stats around shootings being reduced because schools are “more secure”. 

First chance I get I will email him and ask him for his footnotes. 

Please post any data that you can get.

To be honest, I'm already highly skeptical of this claim. Putting it into perspective, it is considered to be very difficult to research effectiveness of interventions to prevent completed suicide, because it is considered a statistically rare event. A properly constructed study may still end up with no or such a small number of completed suicides that no conclusions can be drawn from the data. Instead, proxy measures like suicidal ideation or suicide attempts are used, though these are inaccurate. Thus, population based data is sometimes used, but in those cases generally only correlations can be made, without clear causation.

In the USA, there are roughly 45,000 suicides a year. Roughly 123 every day. And that's considered rare.

Compare that to any school shooting (let alone "mass school shootings"), of which there have been 291 since 2013. An average of one per week. In one day there are more deaths by suicide than the number of school shootings in an entire year. What is the likelihood that anyone has valid data yet on whether any particular intervention reliably reduces school shootings?

And I'l say it again, though I've said it before - school shootings aren't random acts of violence. These individuals target the school, with its students and teachers, precisely because it is/was their school. The ones that want to shoot up a school are not the ones that are just going to pick another target.

And... on the 'rarer' occasion where some f**king idiot wants to grab his handy dandy weapon of war and kill a bunch of kids in a school that isn't his school (Lanza and Sandy Hook)... he can easily do so.

"Anything... and I mean aaaaanything outside of removing these types of guns and all their related cool features I am completely in favour of!" says the guy who pretends to really care. "Arm the teachers. Place armed guards in the schools. Give kids bulletproof vests. Theeeeese are the real answers!"

When they know nobody is there to stop them...

You do know that almost all of these shooters go into the situation expecting to die, right? That prospect isn’t a deterrent. 

Please stop making sense

David Byrne is touring, so there is that.

oftenreading

Halifax2TheMax said:

my2hands said:

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Armed guards on every street corner lol.

If the schools with armed teachers and seals are impenetrable... then psychos will go to a senior centre or daycare. With assault rifles no less.

Just goofy. Even the most ardent second amendment supporter must be questioning the logic behind trying to maintain the status quo and ensuring public safety.

The tail wags the dog.

I had a seminar with our pd the other day and one statistic shows that mass shootings in schools are down percentage wise because of the fact that they are more secure.  Criminals aren't stupid, you make schools more secure then they go for something less secure like open air concerts or this vet hospital. Craziness.

I would really like to see those statistics. Mass school shootings are statistically very rare, even though each one captures our attention, so I have trouble believing that there are any valid stats around shootings being reduced because schools are “more secure”. 

First chance I get I will email him and ask him for his footnotes. 

Please post any data that you can get.

To be honest, I'm already highly skeptical of this claim. Putting it into perspective, it is considered to be very difficult to research effectiveness of interventions to prevent completed suicide, because it is considered a statistically rare event. A properly constructed study may still end up with no or such a small number of completed suicides that no conclusions can be drawn from the data. Instead, proxy measures like suicidal ideation or suicide attempts are used, though these are inaccurate. Thus, population based data is sometimes used, but in those cases generally only correlations can be made, without clear causation.

In the USA, there are roughly 45,000 suicides a year. Roughly 123 every day. And that's considered rare.

Compare that to any school shooting (let alone "mass school shootings"), of which there have been 291 since 2013. An average of one per week. In one day there are more deaths by suicide than the number of school shootings in an entire year. What is the likelihood that anyone has valid data yet on whether any particular intervention reliably reduces school shootings?

And I'l say it again, though I've said it before - school shootings aren't random acts of violence. These individuals target the school, with its students and teachers, precisely because it is/was their school. The ones that want to shoot up a school are not the ones that are just going to pick another target.

And... on the 'rarer' occasion where some f**king idiot wants to grab his handy dandy weapon of war and kill a bunch of kids in a school that isn't his school (Lanza and Sandy Hook)... he can easily do so.

"Anything... and I mean aaaaanything outside of removing these types of guns and all their related cool features I am completely in favour of!" says the guy who pretends to really care. "Arm the teachers. Place armed guards in the schools. Give kids bulletproof vests. Theeeeese are the real answers!"

When they know nobody is there to stop them...

You do know that almost all of these shooters go into the situation expecting to die, right? That prospect isn’t a deterrent. 

Please stop making sense

David Byrne is touring, so there is that.

Some people can’t seem to face up to the facts. 

Halifax2TheMax

oftenreading said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

my2hands said:

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Armed guards on every street corner lol.

If the schools with armed teachers and seals are impenetrable... then psychos will go to a senior centre or daycare. With assault rifles no less.

Just goofy. Even the most ardent second amendment supporter must be questioning the logic behind trying to maintain the status quo and ensuring public safety.

The tail wags the dog.

I had a seminar with our pd the other day and one statistic shows that mass shootings in schools are down percentage wise because of the fact that they are more secure.  Criminals aren't stupid, you make schools more secure then they go for something less secure like open air concerts or this vet hospital. Craziness.

I would really like to see those statistics. Mass school shootings are statistically very rare, even though each one captures our attention, so I have trouble believing that there are any valid stats around shootings being reduced because schools are “more secure”. 

First chance I get I will email him and ask him for his footnotes. 

Please post any data that you can get.

To be honest, I'm already highly skeptical of this claim. Putting it into perspective, it is considered to be very difficult to research effectiveness of interventions to prevent completed suicide, because it is considered a statistically rare event. A properly constructed study may still end up with no or such a small number of completed suicides that no conclusions can be drawn from the data. Instead, proxy measures like suicidal ideation or suicide attempts are used, though these are inaccurate. Thus, population based data is sometimes used, but in those cases generally only correlations can be made, without clear causation.

In the USA, there are roughly 45,000 suicides a year. Roughly 123 every day. And that's considered rare.

Compare that to any school shooting (let alone "mass school shootings"), of which there have been 291 since 2013. An average of one per week. In one day there are more deaths by suicide than the number of school shootings in an entire year. What is the likelihood that anyone has valid data yet on whether any particular intervention reliably reduces school shootings?

And I'l say it again, though I've said it before - school shootings aren't random acts of violence. These individuals target the school, with its students and teachers, precisely because it is/was their school. The ones that want to shoot up a school are not the ones that are just going to pick another target.

And... on the 'rarer' occasion where some f**king idiot wants to grab his handy dandy weapon of war and kill a bunch of kids in a school that isn't his school (Lanza and Sandy Hook)... he can easily do so.

"Anything... and I mean aaaaanything outside of removing these types of guns and all their related cool features I am completely in favour of!" says the guy who pretends to really care. "Arm the teachers. Place armed guards in the schools. Give kids bulletproof vests. Theeeeese are the real answers!"

When they know nobody is there to stop them...

You do know that almost all of these shooters go into the situation expecting to die, right? That prospect isn’t a deterrent. 

Please stop making sense

David Byrne is touring, so there is that.

Some people can’t seem to face up to the facts. 

Some are tense and nervous and can’t relax.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Lol

Nice Talking Heads tie ins. 

Degeneratefk

My right and my families right to live and not be shot by any psychopath with a machine gun supersedes your "right" to own an assault rifle. Period. 

Halifax2TheMax

Don’t touch him, he’s a real live wire.

oftenreading

Don't worry, you can always run run run away

unsung

11 kids die a day from texting while driving.

Anyone know when that illegal walkout is scheduled?

Halifax2TheMax

unsung said:

11 kids die a day from texting while driving.

Anyone know when that illegal walkout is scheduled?

Got a link?

unsung

https://www.edgarsnyder.com/car-accident/cause-of-accident/cell-phone/cell-phone-statistics.html

unsung

Ban cell phones for those under 21.  Clearly this is a public health crisis if it exceeds, by far, the amount of people killed in school shootings.   

The evil AR15 is what, about under 1%, of the amount of annual deaths by comparison?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung said:

Ban cell phones for those under 21.  Clearly this is a public health crisis if it exceeds, by far, the amount of people killed in school shootings.   

The evil AR15 is what, about under 1%, of the amount of annual deaths by comparison?

Stairs too and the nasty falls they induce!

Are you trying to equate accidents that occur using items designed for daily use... to successful incidents which have occurred as a result of an item working exactly as it was intended? The AR15 is designed for death. 

This is what your argument has become lol? Basically, it seems as if you are saying, "Come on... if we can live with slippery sidewalks and cell phones creating distracted drivers... we can live with a few mass slaughters. Don't punish the guys who really like to shoot shit because a few maniacs go crazy every now and then."

my2hands

pathetic

HughFreakingDillon

unsung said:

Ban cell phones for those under 21.  Clearly this is a public health crisis if it exceeds, by far, the amount of people killed in school shootings.   

The evil AR15 is what, about under 1%, of the amount of annual deaths by comparison?

since heart disease is the leading cause of death among males, we should just forget all about cancer. fuck cancer research. it's a waste of time since it kills fewer people than heart disease. 

unsung

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

Ban cell phones for those under 21.  Clearly this is a public health crisis if it exceeds, by far, the amount of people killed in school shootings.   

The evil AR15 is what, about under 1%, of the amount of annual deaths by comparison?

since heart disease is the leading cause of death among males, we should just forget all about cancer. fuck cancer research. it's a waste of time since it kills fewer people than heart disease. 

Let me know when the globalist Bloomberg pumps in $2M to do research on any of that the way he buys political candidates and white suburban soccer moms to be the face of his agenda.

I'm taking a not wild guess to say that he outspends the NRA when it comes to buying people.

Here is the link so nobody has to look this one up either.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-20/news/ct-met-2nd-district-democrats-focus-20130220_1_alderman-anthony-beale-longtime-handgun-ban

Halifax2TheMax

unsung said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

Ban cell phones for those under 21.  Clearly this is a public health crisis if it exceeds, by far, the amount of people killed in school shootings.   

The evil AR15 is what, about under 1%, of the amount of annual deaths by comparison?

since heart disease is the leading cause of death among males, we should just forget all about cancer. fuck cancer research. it's a waste of time since it kills fewer people than heart disease. 

Let me know when the globalist Bloomberg pumps in $2M to do research on any of that the way he buys political candidates and white suburban soccer moms to be the face of his agenda.

I'm taking a not wild guess to say that he outspends the NRA when it comes to buying people.

Here is the link so nobody has to look this one up either.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-20/news/ct-met-2nd-district-democrats-focus-20130220_1_alderman-anthony-beale-longtime-handgun-ban

Globalist? Is that like a statist? Or a soroist? Or just someone who spends more money on a cause that you oppose? Maybe a Kochist?

my2hands

"Globalism" has lead to the safest/most peaceful time on modern earth and helps provide our cushy American lifestyle that you enjoy

But feel free to keep sucking down that nationalist propaganda

You going to round up those bad hombres or what?

Bentleyspop

Globalists,  leftists, commies, oh my

unsung

Just admit it has nothing to do with protecting kids.  Just admit the real agenda.  Stand up, be proud.  Own it.