America's Gun Violence

october22

my2hands said:

And I stand by my statement... arming teachers is the dumbest idea ive ever heard in my entire life... it's flat out lunacy... but what do I expect from a shithole country that cast 60,000,000+ votes for Donald F'n Trump

These answers are all short-sighted... we need to take a 50-100 year look at this, simply because America is littered with hundreds of millions of guns as mentioned... even if all guns were banned t mw we would still gave lots of issues in the coming years... take action now so maybe your grandchildren will live in a better place, because your kids are fucked

Man, I agree with a lot of what you say except the shithole part. Arming teachers is ridiculous, and your sentiment about your cousin makes a lot of sense. We've got problems here for sure. We rank above and below other countries on all kinds of metrics, but I'd argue that we haven't hit "shithole" level by a long shot. It's obviously a nebulous argument, but I'm just saying things aren't that bad yet.

And yeah, I returned because even though I may argue with some of you dickheads, I still consider this place a home after so many years and many of you guys my friends. And I appreciate the passion here even when I disagree with you.

unsung

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

Here is another reason.  There were 800 warrants issued for this action.  The Mayor was more concerned with protecting illegal alien criminals over the honest and hard working citizens of the community.  That is over 500 outstanding warrants.  If she isn't willing to protect her community then don't complain when people are forced to protect themselves.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/libby-schaaf-ice-raid-oakland-tip-off-justice-department-investigating/

whatabout whatabout whatabout

Undocumented immigrants less likely to commit crimes than U.S. citizens

These had warrants issued.  The Mayor should be arrested for aiding and abetting.

unsung

HughFreakingDillon said:

thing is, he has made several other statements in different contexts in direct contrast to that, but everyone focuses on that one statement and ignores the rest. 

Saying someone is hard working and honest...tell me how that applies to only white people?  Sometimes this forum creates and implies statements to suit an agenda, this is one of them.  Vivid imaginations.

Bottom line 800 arrest warrants were issued.  The WHITE Mayor warned people that had warrants issued.  Over 500 warrants were not executed because of this WHITE Mayor.

my2hands

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

Here is another reason.  There were 800 warrants issued for this action.  The Mayor was more concerned with protecting illegal alien criminals over the honest and hard working citizens of the community.  That is over 500 outstanding warrants.  If she isn't willing to protect her community then don't complain when people are forced to protect themselves.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/libby-schaaf-ice-raid-oakland-tip-off-justice-department-investigating/

whatabout whatabout whatabout

Undocumented immigrants less likely to commit crimes than U.S. citizens

These had warrants issued.  The Mayor should be arrested for aiding and abetting.

And you having an AR-15 does what about this situation?

unsung

HughFreakingDillon said:

thing is, he has made several other statements in different contexts in direct contrast to that, but everyone focuses on that one statement and ignores the rest. 

Yep.  It is ok though I left my feelings at the door.

ponytd

Found this article and found it very fascinating. I've been one of those people saying we need to keep guns out of mentally ill, but have also thought, they're probably not the main cause of mass shootings. According to this, they're not. It's people who have been bullied, or picked on or feel like everything is against them. It also talks about how the media shouldn't give the perpetrators  any attention, since many people that commit these crimes want to mimic those and outdo those before them. I also noticed the article never mentions any shooter by name so good to see they followed their own advice.

It's somewhat long, but a good read and encourage everyone to read it. (it should open as a PDF)
https://psychiatryonline.org/doi/pdf/10.5555/appi.books.9781615371099

Halifax2TheMax

HughFreakingDillon said:

thing is, he has made several other statements in different contexts in direct contrast to that, but everyone focuses on that one statement and ignores the rest. 

The dog whistle is subtle.

CM189191

unsung said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

thing is, he has made several other statements in different contexts in direct contrast to that, but everyone focuses on that one statement and ignores the rest. 

Yep.  It is ok though I left my feelings at the door.

...feelings aren't the only thing you apparently left at the door...

HughFreakingDillon

unsung said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

thing is, he has made several other statements in different contexts in direct contrast to that, but everyone focuses on that one statement and ignores the rest. 

Saying someone is hard working and honest...tell me how that applies to only white people?  Sometimes this forum creates and implies statements to suit an agenda, this is one of them.  Vivid imaginations.

Bottom line 800 arrest warrants were issued.  The WHITE Mayor warned people that had warrants issued.  Over 500 warrants were not executed because of this WHITE Mayor.

not only, but it largely implies that, as I said, a high percentage are people of colour. but I also stressed that I find it funny that hard working an honest only applies to residents. Why is that? You don't see plenty of hard working and honest immigrants?

Degeneratefk

unsung said:

my2hands said:

Unsung...

Give me an example of why you would need an AR-15 or similar type of weapon?

https://youtu.be/03BZWbi7OgI

Nothing a glock or a shotgun wouldn't take care of.

CM189191

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

thing is, he has made several other statements in different contexts in direct contrast to that, but everyone focuses on that one statement and ignores the rest. 

Saying someone is hard working and honest...tell me how that applies to only white people?  Sometimes this forum creates and implies statements to suit an agenda, this is one of them.  Vivid imaginations.

Bottom line 800 arrest warrants were issued.  The WHITE Mayor warned people that had warrants issued.  Over 500 warrants were not executed because of this WHITE Mayor.

not only, but it largely implies that, as I said, a high percentage are people of colour. but I also stressed that I find it funny that hard working an honest only applies to residents. Why is that? You don't see plenty of hard working and honest immigrants?

Does that mean tenured English professors are in the clear? Evidently not.

Augsburg University's Dr. Mzenga Wanyama, a Kenyan-born graduate of the University of Minnesota who now teaches post-colonial theory and African American literature, has just been asked to attend a meeting Friday morning at the ICE office in St. Paul to discuss his immigration status and "plans for removal."




It's a shame he wasn't from Norway

my2hands

unsung said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

thing is, he has made several other statements in different contexts in direct contrast to that, but everyone focuses on that one statement and ignores the rest. 

Saying someone is hard working and honest...tell me how that applies to only white people?  Sometimes this forum creates and implies statements to suit an agenda, this is one of them.  Vivid imaginations.

Bottom line 800 arrest warrants were issued.  The WHITE Mayor warned people that had warrants issued.  Over 500 warrants were not executed because of this WHITE Mayor.

And again, what does you owning an AR-15 have to do with this situation?

You gonna posse up and round up the bad hombres?

oftenreading

ponytd said:

Found this article and found it very fascinating. I've been one of those people saying we need to keep guns out of mentally ill, but have also thought, they're probably not the main cause of mass shootings. According to this, they're not. It's people who have been bullied, or picked on or feel like everything is against them. It also talks about how the media shouldn't give the perpetrators  any attention, since many people that commit these crimes want to mimic those and outdo those before them. I also noticed the article never mentions any shooter by name so good to see they followed their own advice.

It's somewhat long, but a good read and encourage everyone to read it. (it should open as a PDF)
https://psychiatryonline.org/doi/pdf/10.5555/appi.books.9781615371099

Yes, the issue of mental illness and violence, particularly gun violence, is a complex one. The media tends to talk about "mental illness" like it is a unitary phenomenon, but that term encompasses a whole host of different conditions and situations, most of which have little to no bearing on whether that person will be violent. 

Even though I'm in favour of pretty strict gun control, I can't say I'm in favour of gun restrictions based solely on some nebulous definition of "mental illness", because it will exclude a huge number of people who aren't likely to be violent without catching those that are. What's needed is a valid assessment of risk looking at features actually linked to violence, which includes some elements of mental illness but also many other factors, for everyone acquiring a firearm. This is possible, but I don't see it ever happening.

CM189191

Gunman Opens Fire, Holds Hostages At Yountville Veterans Home

This is an outrage, our veterans' homes are soft targets!  There needs to be armed guards at every single one of them!

They could hire retired veterans to......oh wait.....

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Armed guards on every street corner lol.

If the schools with armed teachers and seals are impenetrable... then psychos will go to a senior centre or daycare. With assault rifles no less.

Just goofy. Even the most ardent second amendment supporter must be questioning the logic behind trying to maintain the status quo and ensuring public safety.

The tail wags the dog.

mcgruff10

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Armed guards on every street corner lol.

If the schools with armed teachers and seals are impenetrable... then psychos will go to a senior centre or daycare. With assault rifles no less.

Just goofy. Even the most ardent second amendment supporter must be questioning the logic behind trying to maintain the status quo and ensuring public safety.

The tail wags the dog.

I had a seminar with our pd the other day and one statistic shows that mass shootings in schools are down percentage wise because of the fact that they are more secure.  Criminals aren't stupid, you make schools more secure then they go for something less secure like open air concerts or this vet hospital. Craziness.

oftenreading

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Armed guards on every street corner lol.

If the schools with armed teachers and seals are impenetrable... then psychos will go to a senior centre or daycare. With assault rifles no less.

Just goofy. Even the most ardent second amendment supporter must be questioning the logic behind trying to maintain the status quo and ensuring public safety.

The tail wags the dog.

I had a seminar with our pd the other day and one statistic shows that mass shootings in schools are down percentage wise because of the fact that they are more secure.  Criminals aren't stupid, you make schools more secure then they go for something less secure like open air concerts or this vet hospital. Craziness.

I would really like to see those statistics. Mass school shootings are statistically very rare, even though each one captures our attention, so I have trouble believing that there are any valid stats around shootings being reduced because schools are “more secure”. 

mcgruff10

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Armed guards on every street corner lol.

If the schools with armed teachers and seals are impenetrable... then psychos will go to a senior centre or daycare. With assault rifles no less.

Just goofy. Even the most ardent second amendment supporter must be questioning the logic behind trying to maintain the status quo and ensuring public safety.

The tail wags the dog.

I had a seminar with our pd the other day and one statistic shows that mass shootings in schools are down percentage wise because of the fact that they are more secure.  Criminals aren't stupid, you make schools more secure then they go for something less secure like open air concerts or this vet hospital. Craziness.

I would really like to see those statistics. Mass school shootings are statistically very rare, even though each one captures our attention, so I have trouble believing that there are any valid stats around shootings being reduced because schools are “more secure”. 

First chance I get I will email him and ask him for his footnotes. 

stuckinline

The National Rifle Association has reportedly filed a lawsuit over Florida gun legislation that was signed into law Friday, according to the Associated Press.

Florida lawmakers passed a bill this week that raises the minimum age for purchasing firearms from 18 to 21, and implements a three-day waiting period for purchase of most long guns. The bill came just weeks after the shooting that left 17 dead and more than a dozen injured at a South Florida high school.

Florida GOP Gov. Rick Scott signed the bill into law on Friday in a sharp break from the NRA.

The new law also creates new mental health programs for schools, and allows some trained school personnel to carry concealed handguns on school campuses.

The NRA harshly criticized the bill after Scott signed it, saying the new measure "punishes law-abiding gun owners for the criminal acts of a deranged individual."

http://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/377694-nra-sues-over-new-florida-gun-legislation-report

Halifax2TheMax

stuckinline said:

The National Rifle Association has reportedly filed a lawsuit over Florida gun legislation that was signed into law Friday, according to the Associated Press.

Florida lawmakers passed a bill this week that raises the minimum age for purchasing firearms from 18 to 21, and implements a three-day waiting period for purchase of most long guns. The bill came just weeks after the shooting that left 17 dead and more than a dozen injured at a South Florida high school.

Florida GOP Gov. Rick Scott signed the bill into law on Friday in a sharp break from the NRA.

The new law also creates new mental health programs for schools, and allows some trained school personnel to carry concealed handguns on school campuses.

The NRA harshly criticized the bill after Scott signed it, saying the new measure "punishes law-abiding gun owners for the criminal acts of a deranged individual."

http://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/377694-nra-sues-over-new-florida-gun-legislation-report

Yup. And people wonder why nothing changes.