America's Gun Violence

CM189191

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

mandatory gun insurance

That’s dumb 

how so?  

Because I said so...isn’t that the way things work around here?

don't you wish

mandatory gun insurance is a market-based way to ensure that firearms owners embrace the duty of ownership along with the right, while also providing compensation for those who are harmed by gun-related accident and abuse. The NRA already offers liability insurance as a service to their members.

I don't like the idea of having insurance on a firearm.  You already have people trying to sue gun manufacturers for deaths of people.  That's like suing a car maker for making it go over the speed limit and me injuring someone while doing it.

All it will lead to is more litigation.

the litigation is already there.  you think families of shooting victims don't sue for wrongful death?

gun insurance would lead to timely resolution

And it's more like suing the car owner/driver for going over the speed limit and injuring someone, not the manufacturer.

I did mention the above...

I'm sure the insurance companies are salivating over the thought of having "gun insurance" go into law.  It's a bad practice to start.

I'd start with background checks first.  Leave the insurance to the automobiles.

sorry, to clarify, I wasn't referring to the gun manufacturers.  They'll get off scot free.  

The school, the police, they are already being sued by students.  Who pays for that? The taxpayer.  

People are talking about arming teachers, installing bulletproof walls and windows in schools.  That's crazy talk.  Any idea how expensive that is?  And who pays for it?  The taxpayer.

Where does it stop?  Does every employer need to have a bulletproof secure building with armed guards now?
And every store?
And every apartment building?
And every public park?
Who the fuck is going to pay for society to gun-proof itself against itself?  It's madness.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Once the schools have their armed forces protecting them... where do the psychopaths go to kill people with their assault rifles they have bought from the sporting goods store?

Daycare centers. Malls. Concerts. Etc.

Might have to start thinking about placing soldiers on every street corner. Beginning the process of removing guns seems too logical.

PJPOWER

PJ_Soul said:

^^ Well I would support them lining classroom closets with something bullet proof. Safe rooms in classrooms? That would be fine in my book. It wouldn't mean placing the children into a police state atmosphere or leave room for horrible gun accidents at schools, which would be inevitable if teachers were armed IMO.

One thing that has largely been ignored with the most recent event is that the hurricane windows in the school did actually saved numerous others from getting shot.  No real point to me posting this except that your post made me remember;
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/02/27/florida-school-shooting-update/

HesCalledDyer

If anything, mandatory gun insurance would most likely result in a tax deduction when you file yearly.

PJPOWER

HesCalledDyer said:

If anything, mandatory gun insurance would most likely result in a tax deduction when you file yearly.

So would you prefer Democrats or Republicans take the lead on writing this mandatory insurance bill?

my2hands

CM189191 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

mandatory gun insurance

That’s dumb 

how so?  

Because I said so...isn’t that the way things work around here?

don't you wish

mandatory gun insurance is a market-based way to ensure that firearms owners embrace the duty of ownership along with the right, while also providing compensation for those who are harmed by gun-related accident and abuse. The NRA already offers liability insurance as a service to their members.

I don't like the idea of having insurance on a firearm.  You already have people trying to sue gun manufacturers for deaths of people.  That's like suing a car maker for making it go over the speed limit and me injuring someone while doing it.

All it will lead to is more litigation.

the litigation is already there.  you think families of shooting victims don't sue for wrongful death?

gun insurance would lead to timely resolution

And it's more like suing the car owner/driver for going over the speed limit and injuring someone, not the manufacturer.

I did mention the above...

I'm sure the insurance companies are salivating over the thought of having "gun insurance" go into law.  It's a bad practice to start.

I'd start with background checks first.  Leave the insurance to the automobiles.

sorry, to clarify, I wasn't referring to the gun manufacturers.  They'll get off scot free.  

The school, the police, they are already being sued by students.  Who pays for that? The taxpayer.  

People are talking about arming teachers, installing bulletproof walls and windows in schools.  That's crazy talk.  Any idea how expensive that is?  And who pays for it?  The taxpayer.

Where does it stop?  Does every employer need to have a bulletproof secure building with armed guards now?
And every store?
And every apartment building?
And every public park?
Who the fuck is going to pay for society to gun-proof itself against itself?  It's madness.

Exactly

It's madness

my2hands

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Once the schools have their armed forces protecting them... where do the psychopaths go to kill people with their assault rifles they have bought from the sporting goods store?

Daycare centers. Malls. Concerts. Etc.

Might have to start thinking about placing soldiers on every street corner. Beginning the process of removing guns seems too logical.

At least some people get it... 

Does Canada still accept Americans? My country has become a gun addicted shithole

HesCalledDyer

PJPOWER said:

HesCalledDyer said:

If anything, mandatory gun insurance would most likely result in a tax deduction when you file yearly.

So would you prefer Democrats or Republicans take the lead on writing this mandatory insurance bill?

Yes.

PJPOWER

HesCalledDyer said:

PJPOWER said:

HesCalledDyer said:

If anything, mandatory gun insurance would most likely result in a tax deduction when you file yearly.

So would you prefer Democrats or Republicans take the lead on writing this mandatory insurance bill?

Yes.

Lol

HesCalledDyer

Thought you might get a kick out of that.

PJPOWER

HesCalledDyer said:

Thought you might get a kick out of that.

Touché 

HesCalledDyer

It was a serious answer, however, in that yes I would prefer my elected politicians (be they republican, democrat, whig, federalist, tea, green, independant, etc) listen to their electors and write the bill in their interests vs it be written by the NRA, the CEOs of gun/ammo manufacturers, or any other billionaire lobbyist only looking to get laws passed to line their own pockets with even more money while citizens continue to suffer.

my2hands

rgambs said:

my2hands said:

Let me say this clearly...

Arming teachers is literally the dumbest idea ive heard in my 39 years on this planet... I'm shocked at how many Americans think it's a good idea, or even debatable... it's lunacy!!!

It's ok, there are George Zimmermans out there teaching, it's only a matter of time. Blood won't be on my hands

If I had a kid and his school allowed armed teachers, I would pull my kid out so fast their head would spin. I question any parent that wouldn't do the same

Guns suck, nothing positive comes from them. Nothing. 

This sounds like head in the sand talk to me.
The guns are out there, hundreds of millions of them.  They are walking into schools and concerts and nightclubs and malls and they are murdering people in scores.  At what point does being the only person without a gun become the dumbest thing you've ever heard.
I don't think the solution to guns is more guns, it's working to get guns out of the wrong hands and working to get guns into the right hands.

Leaving kids with closet doors as their only protection sounds pretty fucking dumb to me.

Made it 39 years without owning a gun, no problem at all... and I will NEVER own a gun personally... because i'm not scared... I'll be totally fine being the only American without a gun, don't need it

The love of my life carries a gun for work, and I fear for her safety every day.

Never liked guns, never will... they are only made to destroy... not impressed with gun owners that thinks it's awesome either... had a younger dipshit cousin bragging about buying an AR-15 at Christmas 2 years ago... he's never been hunting... lives in a suburban neighborhood...can bsrely keep a job... nice kid,  but he has no fucking clue... and he's bragging about owning an assault rifle... good job America, bravo 

Pathetic times in the USA

my2hands

And I stand by my statement... arming teachers is the dumbest idea ive ever heard in my entire life... it's flat out lunacy... but what do I expect from a shithole country that cast 60,000,000+ votes for Donald F'n Trump

These answers are all short-sighted... we need to take a 50-100 year look at this, simply because America is littered with hundreds of millions of guns as mentioned... even if all guns were banned t mw we would still gave lots of issues in the coming years... take action now so maybe your grandchildren will live in a better place, because your kids are fucked

HughFreakingDillon

rgambs said:

my2hands said:

Let me say this clearly...

Arming teachers is literally the dumbest idea ive heard in my 39 years on this planet... I'm shocked at how many Americans think it's a good idea, or even debatable... it's lunacy!!!

It's ok, there are George Zimmermans out there teaching, it's only a matter of time. Blood won't be on my hands

If I had a kid and his school allowed armed teachers, I would pull my kid out so fast their head would spin. I question any parent that wouldn't do the same

Guns suck, nothing positive comes from them. Nothing. 

This sounds like head in the sand talk to me.
The guns are out there, hundreds of millions of them.  They are walking into schools and concerts and nightclubs and malls and they are murdering people in scores.  At what point does being the only person without a gun become the dumbest thing you've ever heard.
I don't think the solution to guns is more guns, it's working to get guns out of the wrong hands and working to get guns into the right hands.

Leaving kids with closet doors as their only protection sounds pretty fucking dumb to me.

NEVER as dumb as making teachers pack heat. 

my2hands

I see a Florida senator with an A+ rating from the NRA says the only thing that can stop massacres is "thoughts and prayers"...

She is an idiot. An idiot that is bought and paid for. 

Thoughts & prayers... What a f'n joke

PJPOWER

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

my2hands said:

Let me say this clearly...

Arming teachers is literally the dumbest idea ive heard in my 39 years on this planet... I'm shocked at how many Americans think it's a good idea, or even debatable... it's lunacy!!!

It's ok, there are George Zimmermans out there teaching, it's only a matter of time. Blood won't be on my hands

If I had a kid and his school allowed armed teachers, I would pull my kid out so fast their head would spin. I question any parent that wouldn't do the same

Guns suck, nothing positive comes from them. Nothing. 

This sounds like head in the sand talk to me.
The guns are out there, hundreds of millions of them.  They are walking into schools and concerts and nightclubs and malls and they are murdering people in scores.  At what point does being the only person without a gun become the dumbest thing you've ever heard.
I don't think the solution to guns is more guns, it's working to get guns out of the wrong hands and working to get guns into the right hands.

Leaving kids with closet doors as their only protection sounds pretty fucking dumb to me.

NEVER as dumb as making teachers pack heat. 

Who is calling for “making” teachers pack heat?  I am in support of “allowing” them to if they meet certain requirements, but I would never be in favor of making anyone “pack heat”.  

rgambs

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

my2hands said:

Let me say this clearly...

Arming teachers is literally the dumbest idea ive heard in my 39 years on this planet... I'm shocked at how many Americans think it's a good idea, or even debatable... it's lunacy!!!

It's ok, there are George Zimmermans out there teaching, it's only a matter of time. Blood won't be on my hands

If I had a kid and his school allowed armed teachers, I would pull my kid out so fast their head would spin. I question any parent that wouldn't do the same

Guns suck, nothing positive comes from them. Nothing. 

This sounds like head in the sand talk to me.
The guns are out there, hundreds of millions of them.  They are walking into schools and concerts and nightclubs and malls and they are murdering people in scores.  At what point does being the only person without a gun become the dumbest thing you've ever heard.
I don't think the solution to guns is more guns, it's working to get guns out of the wrong hands and working to get guns into the right hands.

Leaving kids with closet doors as their only protection sounds pretty fucking dumb to me.

NEVER as dumb as making teachers pack heat. 

Easy to say when you don't have kids going to school in America.

rgambs

my2hands said:

rgambs said:

my2hands said:

Let me say this clearly...

Arming teachers is literally the dumbest idea ive heard in my 39 years on this planet... I'm shocked at how many Americans think it's a good idea, or even debatable... it's lunacy!!!

It's ok, there are George Zimmermans out there teaching, it's only a matter of time. Blood won't be on my hands

If I had a kid and his school allowed armed teachers, I would pull my kid out so fast their head would spin. I question any parent that wouldn't do the same

Guns suck, nothing positive comes from them. Nothing. 

This sounds like head in the sand talk to me.
The guns are out there, hundreds of millions of them.  They are walking into schools and concerts and nightclubs and malls and they are murdering people in scores.  At what point does being the only person without a gun become the dumbest thing you've ever heard.
I don't think the solution to guns is more guns, it's working to get guns out of the wrong hands and working to get guns into the right hands.

Leaving kids with closet doors as their only protection sounds pretty fucking dumb to me.

Made it 39 years without owning a gun, no problem at all... and I will NEVER own a gun personally... because i'm not scared... I'll be totally fine being the only American without a gun, don't need it

The love of my life carries a gun for work, and I fear for her safety every day.

Never liked guns, never will... they are only made to destroy... not impressed with gun owners that thinks it's awesome either... had a younger dipshit cousin bragging about buying an AR-15 at Christmas 2 years ago... he's never been hunting... lives in a suburban neighborhood...can bsrely keep a job... nice kid,  but he has no fucking clue... and he's bragging about owning an assault rifle... good job America, bravo 

Pathetic times in the USA

You don't have to be scared to be dead.

It is pathetic, that's for sure.

HughFreakingDillon

rgambs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

my2hands said:

Let me say this clearly...

Arming teachers is literally the dumbest idea ive heard in my 39 years on this planet... I'm shocked at how many Americans think it's a good idea, or even debatable... it's lunacy!!!

It's ok, there are George Zimmermans out there teaching, it's only a matter of time. Blood won't be on my hands

If I had a kid and his school allowed armed teachers, I would pull my kid out so fast their head would spin. I question any parent that wouldn't do the same

Guns suck, nothing positive comes from them. Nothing. 

This sounds like head in the sand talk to me.
The guns are out there, hundreds of millions of them.  They are walking into schools and concerts and nightclubs and malls and they are murdering people in scores.  At what point does being the only person without a gun become the dumbest thing you've ever heard.
I don't think the solution to guns is more guns, it's working to get guns out of the wrong hands and working to get guns into the right hands.

Leaving kids with closet doors as their only protection sounds pretty fucking dumb to me.

NEVER as dumb as making teachers pack heat. 

Easy to say when you don't have kids going to school in America.

no it isn't. I can't seriously fathom being for arming teachers even if I lived there. I have family in Texas and Wisconsin that have kids in elementary and middle and high school. it scares the fuck out of me that this may happen to one of them at some point. and I can't imagine any of my relatives are pro-arming teachers either.