America's Gun Violence

josevolution

mace1229 said:

I didn't ask for stereotypes of jobs for illegal immigrants

You asked how does an illegal law abiding immigrants look like and I told , what’s wrong you don’t believe it or only want to believe since they are here illegally they must be criminals or look different than the legal immigrants..

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

I think my point was missed.
I just see it as ironic to call an illegal immigrant "law-abiding." The comparison was made that legal gun owners say "don't punish the law-abiding gun owners," I think the proper equivalent would be "don't punish the legal immigrants." Which we don't. Or maybe to say "we should punish the illegal gun owners" which we do. Mixing those two statements together is not a fair comparisson.

Don't get me wrong, I feel terrible for many of these families that come. But that doesn't mean I believe in open boarders. If there are no consequences for traveling here illegally, then that is what we have.
And to put it into perspective, there are about 4 times as many people who die crossing the border than die from school shootings. So there is a major safety issue. All this cry for gun control after every school shooting (and I am for more gun control by the way), but then we want to turn our heads to illegal immigration that kills even more.

I just don't get how we are painted as such evil people for wanting to secure our borders. 

400 deal in school shootings in 5 years since Sandy Hook
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/15/us/school-shootings-sandy-hook-parkland.html

300 dead last year alone from boarder crossing. And that numbe rhas to be way low, no telling how many are just missing and never found.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migrant_deaths_along_the_Mexico–United_States_border

no one has issues with immigration policies done right. securing borders is fine. but a bunch of racist assholes emboldened by their leader because he confirms their biases by stating publicly that mexico is sending their rapists and murderers is where the "painting" comes in. 

josevolution

mace1229 said:

I think my point was missed.
I just see it as ironic to call an illegal immigrant "law-abiding." The comparison was made that legal gun owners say "don't punish the law-abiding gun owners," I think the proper equivalent would be "don't punish the legal immigrants." Which we don't. Or maybe to say "we should punish the illegal gun owners" which we do. Mixing those two statements together is not a fair comparisson.

Don't get me wrong, I feel terrible for many of these families that come. But that doesn't mean I believe in open boarders. If there are no consequences for traveling here illegally, then that is what we have.
And to put it into perspective, there are about 4 times as many people who die crossing the border than die from school shootings. So there is a major safety issue. All this cry for gun control after every school shooting (and I am for more gun control by the way), but then we want to turn our heads to illegal immigration that kills even more.

I just don't get how we are painted as such evil people for wanting to secure our borders. 

400 deal in school shootings in 5 years since Sandy Hook
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/15/us/school-shootings-sandy-hook-parkland.html

300 dead last year alone from boarder crossing. And that numbe rhas to be way low, no telling how many are just missing and never found.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migrant_deaths_along_the_Mexico–United_States_border

Pathetic attempt at trying to equate these two issues , 1st of all to me 1 kid getting shot dead at schools is enough for more gun control .

mrussel1

@mace1229 - I don't disagree at all with the safety issues you are bringing up related to border crossings.  But this, like the abortion debate, is a non-sequitur argument in my opinion.  One thing has nothing to do with the other.  You said "but then we want to turn our heads to illegal immigration that kills even more..."  I'm not sure anyone has said that.  

1. It's certainly possible to care about two things.  This gun issue is front and center.  If you said we would close the borders and really eliminate border crossings AND eliminate AR's from our society, I'd say "good compromise".  Yes these have nothing to do with each other but I'd give up one to get the other frankly.  Obviously this isn't going to happen so that's what I say the argument is disingenuous.  

2. I have never heard Trump, Anne Coulter, Breitbart, or anyone make a serious argument that the reason we should tighten up the border and deport people is for 'safety of the crossers".  You know that is not part of the argument. 

october22

josevolution said:

october22 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

october22 said:

mrussel1 said:

The strawman is that "liberals" have an issue with police (aka people with real professional training) having weapons and an increased presence.  I can speak for myself only, but it seems to be in line with most, that I have an issue with semi automatic weapons in the hands of John Q. Public and arming teachers in a classroom. 

I am not in favor of arming teachers, so I'm with you there.

Are you in favor of removing or restricting the public's access to all semi-automatic weapons? I only ask because that's a more radical view than we've been discussing so it's important to make the distinction. 

how is it more radical? 

Because it broadens the scope of this recent conversation from rifles to almost all guns. It also affirms pro-second amendment advocates' fears that a rifle ban is really the left's sneaky way of coming after all guns eventually (same with mag capacity). That's often why any talk of a ban on any weapon never gets anywhere.

So can you answer why these massacres don’t happen in other countries heck even our northern neighbors don’t have to deal with these kinds of issues, so tell us why only in this so called most advanced nation in the world these occurred ..

"Fiction can be fun! But I find the reference section much more enlightening." - Ace Ventura

 https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

I can't answer your question because it makes no goddamn sense.

You might find the above link handy. Admittedly, it's a few years old, but it may clear up some of your ignorance. Be sure to note where our cute neighbors from the north rank on issues that "only" happen in the US. Check out Europe while you're at it. How's that gun control working out? Dive a little deeper into US state-by-state, or county-by-county gun deaths. How's that gun control working out?

We absolutely have a problem with gun violence in the US, but we're certainly not alone. If you would take a moment to do your own research rather than parrot liars and social manipulators like Obama, Vox, CNN or wherever else you get your "information", you'll soon find that you're on the factually incorrect side of the argument.

That said, this will be my last post in this thread. I realize I'm dealing with the same type of ignorance here that I run into in real life. After 340 pages in a thread about gun violence, some of you who'd like to infringe upon the rights of others don't even know what the fuck a semi-automatic firearm even is!

AND YET YOU SEEK TO BAN THEM

Peace

Halifax2TheMax

october22 said:

josevolution said:

october22 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

october22 said:

mrussel1 said:

The strawman is that "liberals" have an issue with police (aka people with real professional training) having weapons and an increased presence.  I can speak for myself only, but it seems to be in line with most, that I have an issue with semi automatic weapons in the hands of John Q. Public and arming teachers in a classroom. 

I am not in favor of arming teachers, so I'm with you there.

Are you in favor of removing or restricting the public's access to all semi-automatic weapons? I only ask because that's a more radical view than we've been discussing so it's important to make the distinction. 

how is it more radical? 

Because it broadens the scope of this recent conversation from rifles to almost all guns. It also affirms pro-second amendment advocates' fears that a rifle ban is really the left's sneaky way of coming after all guns eventually (same with mag capacity). That's often why any talk of a ban on any weapon never gets anywhere.

So can you answer why these massacres don’t happen in other countries heck even our northern neighbors don’t have to deal with these kinds of issues, so tell us why only in this so called most advanced nation in the world these occurred ..

"Fiction can be fun! But I find the reference section much more enlightening." - Ace Ventura

 https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

I can't answer your question because it makes no goddamn sense.

You might find the above link handy. Admittedly, it's a few years old, but it may clear up some of your ignorance. Be sure to note where our cute neighbors from the north rank on issues that "only" happen in the US. Check out Europe while you're at it. How's that gun control working out? Dive a little deeper into US state-by-state, or county-by-county gun deaths. How's that gun control working out?

We absolutely have a problem with gun violence in the US, but we're certainly not alone. If you would take a moment to do your own research rather than parrot liars and social manipulators like Obama, Vox, CNN or wherever else you get your "information", you'll soon find that you're on the factually incorrect side of the argument.

That said, this will be my last post in this thread. I realize I'm dealing with the same type of ignorance here that I run into in real life. After 340 pages in a thread about gun violence, some of you who'd like to infringe upon the rights of others don't even know what the fuck a semi-automatic firearm even is!

AND YET YOU SEEK TO BAN THEM

Peace

Nice source, that John Lott.

https://thinkprogress.org/debunking-john-lott-5456e83cf326/

 And his quasi statistical analysis that you cite.

Shyner

Humans are advancing in intelligence 
They are learning to love one another
Soon like a thief Jesus will appear in the sky
Huge. 
All the animals will be saved from our mouths
Blood thirsty demons teeth will fall out
These issues are for a short time so debate nicely and love brothers and sisters. 

my2hands

Pass what your smoking, homie

CM189191

october22 said:

josevolution said:

october22 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

october22 said:

mrussel1 said:

The strawman is that "liberals" have an issue with police (aka people with real professional training) having weapons and an increased presence.  I can speak for myself only, but it seems to be in line with most, that I have an issue with semi automatic weapons in the hands of John Q. Public and arming teachers in a classroom. 

I am not in favor of arming teachers, so I'm with you there.

Are you in favor of removing or restricting the public's access to all semi-automatic weapons? I only ask because that's a more radical view than we've been discussing so it's important to make the distinction. 

how is it more radical? 

Because it broadens the scope of this recent conversation from rifles to almost all guns. It also affirms pro-second amendment advocates' fears that a rifle ban is really the left's sneaky way of coming after all guns eventually (same with mag capacity). That's often why any talk of a ban on any weapon never gets anywhere.

So can you answer why these massacres don’t happen in other countries heck even our northern neighbors don’t have to deal with these kinds of issues, so tell us why only in this so called most advanced nation in the world these occurred ..

"Fiction can be fun! But I find the reference section much more enlightening." - Ace Ventura

 https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

I can't answer your question because it makes no goddamn sense.

You might find the above link handy. Admittedly, it's a few years old, but it may clear up some of your ignorance. Be sure to note where our cute neighbors from the north rank on issues that "only" happen in the US. Check out Europe while you're at it. How's that gun control working out? Dive a little deeper into US state-by-state, or county-by-county gun deaths. How's that gun control working out?

We absolutely have a problem with gun violence in the US, but we're certainly not alone. If you would take a moment to do your own research rather than parrot liars and social manipulators like Obama, Vox, CNN or wherever else you get your "information", you'll soon find that you're on the factually incorrect side of the argument.

That said, this will be my last post in this thread. I realize I'm dealing with the same type of ignorance here that I run into in real life. After 340 pages in a thread about gun violence, some of you who'd like to infringe upon the rights of others don't even know what the fuck a semi-automatic firearm even is!

AND YET YOU SEEK TO BAN THEM

Peace

Which militia do you belong to, Felicia?

Bentleyspop

Shyner said:

Humans are advancing in intelligence 
They are learning to love one another
Soon like a thief Jesus will appear in the sky
Huge. 
All the animals will be saved from our mouths
Blood thirsty demons teeth will fall out
These issues are for a short time so debate nicely and love brothers and sisters. 

I'm guessing indica

josevolution

october22 said:

josevolution said:

october22 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

october22 said:

mrussel1 said:

The strawman is that "liberals" have an issue with police (aka people with real professional training) having weapons and an increased presence.  I can speak for myself only, but it seems to be in line with most, that I have an issue with semi automatic weapons in the hands of John Q. Public and arming teachers in a classroom. 

I am not in favor of arming teachers, so I'm with you there.

Are you in favor of removing or restricting the public's access to all semi-automatic weapons? I only ask because that's a more radical view than we've been discussing so it's important to make the distinction. 

how is it more radical? 

Because it broadens the scope of this recent conversation from rifles to almost all guns. It also affirms pro-second amendment advocates' fears that a rifle ban is really the left's sneaky way of coming after all guns eventually (same with mag capacity). That's often why any talk of a ban on any weapon never gets anywhere.

So can you answer why these massacres don’t happen in other countries heck even our northern neighbors don’t have to deal with these kinds of issues, so tell us why only in this so called most advanced nation in the world these occurred ..

"Fiction can be fun! But I find the reference section much more enlightening." - Ace Ventura

 https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

I can't answer your question because it makes no goddamn sense.

You might find the above link handy. Admittedly, it's a few years old, but it may clear up some of your ignorance. Be sure to note where our cute neighbors from the north rank on issues that "only" happen in the US. Check out Europe while you're at it. How's that gun control working out? Dive a little deeper into US state-by-state, or county-by-county gun deaths. How's that gun control working out?

We absolutely have a problem with gun violence in the US, but we're certainly not alone. If you would take a moment to do your own research rather than parrot liars and social manipulators like Obama, Vox, CNN or wherever else you get your "information", you'll soon find that you're on the factually incorrect side of the argument.

That said, this will be my last post in this thread. I realize I'm dealing with the same type of ignorance here that I run into in real life. After 340 pages in a thread about gun violence, some of you who'd like to infringe upon the rights of others don't even know what the fuck a semi-automatic firearm even is!

AND YET YOU SEEK TO BAN THEM

Peace

I asked you why these events only happen here on a regular basis you failed to answer   I’d say you are the one on the wrong side ! We are talking about stopping Kids from getting fucking shot at schools damn !

The Juggler

josevolution said:

october22 said:

josevolution said:

october22 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

october22 said:

mrussel1 said:

The strawman is that "liberals" have an issue with police (aka people with real professional training) having weapons and an increased presence.  I can speak for myself only, but it seems to be in line with most, that I have an issue with semi automatic weapons in the hands of John Q. Public and arming teachers in a classroom. 

I am not in favor of arming teachers, so I'm with you there.

Are you in favor of removing or restricting the public's access to all semi-automatic weapons? I only ask because that's a more radical view than we've been discussing so it's important to make the distinction. 

how is it more radical? 

Because it broadens the scope of this recent conversation from rifles to almost all guns. It also affirms pro-second amendment advocates' fears that a rifle ban is really the left's sneaky way of coming after all guns eventually (same with mag capacity). That's often why any talk of a ban on any weapon never gets anywhere.

So can you answer why these massacres don’t happen in other countries heck even our northern neighbors don’t have to deal with these kinds of issues, so tell us why only in this so called most advanced nation in the world these occurred ..

"Fiction can be fun! But I find the reference section much more enlightening." - Ace Ventura

 https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

I can't answer your question because it makes no goddamn sense.

You might find the above link handy. Admittedly, it's a few years old, but it may clear up some of your ignorance. Be sure to note where our cute neighbors from the north rank on issues that "only" happen in the US. Check out Europe while you're at it. How's that gun control working out? Dive a little deeper into US state-by-state, or county-by-county gun deaths. How's that gun control working out?

We absolutely have a problem with gun violence in the US, but we're certainly not alone. If you would take a moment to do your own research rather than parrot liars and social manipulators like Obama, Vox, CNN or wherever else you get your "information", you'll soon find that you're on the factually incorrect side of the argument.

That said, this will be my last post in this thread. I realize I'm dealing with the same type of ignorance here that I run into in real life. After 340 pages in a thread about gun violence, some of you who'd like to infringe upon the rights of others don't even know what the fuck a semi-automatic firearm even is!

AND YET YOU SEEK TO BAN THEM

Peace

I asked you why these events only happen here on a regular basis you failed to answer   I’d say you are the one on the wrong side ! We are talking about stopping Kids from getting fucking shot at schools damn !

In fairness, he answered with a link to a shady website featuring a huge picture of Larry Elder on it's homepage. I stupidly clicked on it and immediately got a pop up ad. I'm sure it's reliable and not manipulating the numbers at all.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Shyner said:

Humans are advancing in intelligence 
They are learning to love one another
Soon like a thief Jesus will appear in the sky
Huge. 
All the animals will be saved from our mouths
Blood thirsty demons teeth will fall out
These issues are for a short time so debate nicely and love brothers and sisters. 

Weird.

I heard 'blood thirsty demons peckers will fall off'? Teeth... peckers... whatever. Just something though.

And I'd be careful calling the big guy's son a 'thief'. Guy'll freaking shoot a bolt of lightning at you.

Shyner

Thanks

rgambs

Bentleyspop said:

Shyner said:

Humans are advancing in intelligence 
They are learning to love one another
Soon like a thief Jesus will appear in the sky
Huge. 
All the animals will be saved from our mouths
Blood thirsty demons teeth will fall out
These issues are for a short time so debate nicely and love brothers and sisters. 

I'm guessing indica

I am guessing peyote lol

CM189191

Keep fighting it, gun nuts. As it is now, you could pass some 'easy' legislation; expanded background checks, for example, which is something the vast majority of the country supports, would weaken the anger against you somewhat (although it may be too late for that now), and wouldn't hurt the gun manufacturers much.

But you resist, clinging to an interpretation of the Constitution that's about as accurate as your interpretation of Christianity and capitalism.  Keeping it up just ensures that, when the time comes, you won't have a seat at the table, and the restrictions will be tougher.

/not stolen
//borrowed with pride

HughFreakingDillon

october22 said:

josevolution said:

october22 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

october22 said:

mrussel1 said:

The strawman is that "liberals" have an issue with police (aka people with real professional training) having weapons and an increased presence.  I can speak for myself only, but it seems to be in line with most, that I have an issue with semi automatic weapons in the hands of John Q. Public and arming teachers in a classroom. 

I am not in favor of arming teachers, so I'm with you there.

Are you in favor of removing or restricting the public's access to all semi-automatic weapons? I only ask because that's a more radical view than we've been discussing so it's important to make the distinction. 

how is it more radical? 

Because it broadens the scope of this recent conversation from rifles to almost all guns. It also affirms pro-second amendment advocates' fears that a rifle ban is really the left's sneaky way of coming after all guns eventually (same with mag capacity). That's often why any talk of a ban on any weapon never gets anywhere.

So can you answer why these massacres don’t happen in other countries heck even our northern neighbors don’t have to deal with these kinds of issues, so tell us why only in this so called most advanced nation in the world these occurred ..

"Fiction can be fun! But I find the reference section much more enlightening." - Ace Ventura

 https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

I can't answer your question because it makes no goddamn sense.

You might find the above link handy. Admittedly, it's a few years old, but it may clear up some of your ignorance. Be sure to note where our cute neighbors from the north rank on issues that "only" happen in the US. Check out Europe while you're at it. How's that gun control working out? Dive a little deeper into US state-by-state, or county-by-county gun deaths. How's that gun control working out?

We absolutely have a problem with gun violence in the US, but we're certainly not alone. If you would take a moment to do your own research rather than parrot liars and social manipulators like Obama, Vox, CNN or wherever else you get your "information", you'll soon find that you're on the factually incorrect side of the argument.

That said, this will be my last post in this thread. I realize I'm dealing with the same type of ignorance here that I run into in real life. After 340 pages in a thread about gun violence, some of you who'd like to infringe upon the rights of others don't even know what the fuck a semi-automatic firearm even is!

AND YET YOU SEEK TO BAN THEM

Peace

I always love these exit posts. 

PJPOWER

CM189191 said:

Keep fighting it, gun nuts. As it is now, you could pass some 'easy' legislation; expanded background checks, for example, which is something the vast majority of the country supports, would weaken the anger against you somewhat (although it may be too late for that now), and wouldn't hurt the gun manufacturers much.

But you resist, clinging to an interpretation of the Constitution that's about as accurate as your interpretation of Christianity and capitalism.  Keeping it up just ensures that, when the time comes, you won't have a seat at the table, and the restrictions will be tougher.

/not stolen
//borrowed with pride

That’s dumb

CM189191

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

Keep fighting it, gun nuts. As it is now, you could pass some 'easy' legislation; expanded background checks, for example, which is something the vast majority of the country supports, would weaken the anger against you somewhat (although it may be too late for that now), and wouldn't hurt the gun manufacturers much.

But you resist, clinging to an interpretation of the Constitution that's about as accurate as your interpretation of Christianity and capitalism.  Keeping it up just ensures that, when the time comes, you won't have a seat at the table, and the restrictions will be tougher.

/not stolen
//borrowed with pride

That’s dumb

Exhibit A

It's ok, the adults will clean up the mess you created.  Again.  Now go run along and play out back.

PJPOWER

CM189191 said:

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

Keep fighting it, gun nuts. As it is now, you could pass some 'easy' legislation; expanded background checks, for example, which is something the vast majority of the country supports, would weaken the anger against you somewhat (although it may be too late for that now), and wouldn't hurt the gun manufacturers much.

But you resist, clinging to an interpretation of the Constitution that's about as accurate as your interpretation of Christianity and capitalism.  Keeping it up just ensures that, when the time comes, you won't have a seat at the table, and the restrictions will be tougher.

/not stolen
//borrowed with pride

That’s dumb

Exhibit A

It's ok, the adults will clean up the mess you created.  Again.  Now go run along and play out back.

Cool if I eat a few paint chips?  I need a morning snack