America's Gun Violence

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

Godfather. said:

I just read an article on the local news, a san diego woman was texting and driving 85 Mph on the 405 frwy and rear ended a small car killing the driver a young high school girl, she had sent 13 texts in 15 min's just before her phone rang and she answered it right at the point of impact (she was just sentanced to 6 years in prison), so Im wondering how many people are killed everyday due to texting and driving ? I know a kid who totalled his dads excursion when he was on the 5 frwy in lake elsanor he said he looked down to answer a text and that fast he was smashed up on the k-rail in the center devide.
yes you get my point right ? how many cell phones kill innocent people daily ?

Godfather.

And that's why the government is taking steps to make cell phones safer by changing the laws...just like some folks want to do with guns.

Nice patience, RG... pointing out this obvious commonality.

Some people can't see that the rules of the road- enforced by police- amount to the same thing as restrictions or guns.

In Canada, we have to have adequate insurance in the event we have an accident driving our tool designed to transport us. You would think, all things being equal, that gun owners would be required to have insurance in the event their tool designed to kill did exactly that.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Godfather. said:

I just read an article on the local news, a san diego woman was texting and driving 85 Mph on the 405 frwy and rear ended a small car killing the driver a young high school girl, she had sent 13 texts in 15 min's just before her phone rang and she answered it right at the point of impact (she was just sentanced to 6 years in prison), so Im wondering how many people are killed everyday due to texting and driving ? I know a kid who totalled his dads excursion when he was on the 5 frwy in lake elsanor he said he looked down to answer a text and that fast he was smashed up on the k-rail in the center devide.
yes you get my point right ? how many cell phones kill innocent people daily ?

Godfather.

And that's why the government is taking steps to make cell phones safer by changing the laws...just like some folks want to do with guns.

Nice patience, RG... pointing out this obvious commonality.

Some people can't see that the rules of the road- enforced by police- amount to the same thing as restrictions or guns.

In Canada, we have to have adequate insurance in the event we have an accident driving our tool designed to transport us. You would think, all things being equal, that gun owners would be required to have insurance in the event their tool designed to kill did exactly that.

It comes and goes lol, especially with da godfadda!

Licensing, insurance, liability... Seems to be common sense to anyone who isn't obsessive with their guns and butthurt at the thought of FORCED responsibility.

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2 Las vegas cops are lucky to be alive after a man walked up to their car when they were waiting to turn at a stop light and began firing into the vehicle. Luckily, only one cop was shot in the hand. The other cop was able to chase down the suspect and arrest him.

These attacks on the police are getting out of control. They are being targeted. This can't continue to go on.

PJ_Soul

Last-12-Exit said:

2 Las vegas cops are lucky to be alive after a man walked up to their car when they were waiting to turn at a stop light and began firing into the vehicle. Luckily, only one cop was shot in the hand. The other cop was able to chase down the suspect and arrest him.

These attacks on the police are getting out of control. They are being targeted. This can't continue to go on.

Yes, it's bad.... but i don't think there is much that an be done about it unless the people doing it give hints beforehand.

callen

mcgruff10 said:

callen said:

Ta

mcgruff10 said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

mcgruff10 said:

another one where the good guy ones:
Police say a Norfolk pizza delivery driver turned the tables on a teen robbery suspect.

Officers were called to the 900 block of Galt Street around 9:30 p.m. Sunday for the report of a shooting.

The investigation revealed a 15-year-old tried to rob a Chanello’s pizza delivery driver at gunpoint. But, the driver also had a gun and shot the teen.

Investigators charged the 15-year-old with robbery and use of a firearm in the commission of a felony. He will remain at Sentara Norfolk General Hospital until he recovers from his injuries.

And if this story doesn't show the rest of the civilized world just how FUCKED UP the USA is.....Then I don't know what does.

The 15 year old has a gun and is out committing armed robbery.
The pizza driver is delivering pizza while being armed.
And you think it is good guys VS bad guys.

Its just another pathetic story that shows something needs to be done...NOW

Bad guy had gun good guy thankfully had one too and defended himself. Case closed.

Eh not so fast. If only robber had gun pizza guy looses 30 bills. Not sure of exact stat but vast majority of robberies aren't violent. Give crook money and go.

If everyone had a gun or robbers thought they had guns, they would simply shoot and kill then take.

One gun likely nothing happens. Two guns and someone will get hurt.

So in this case we'll pay thousands for ass's medical bills for the 30 bills.

you assume that nothing would have happened but how can one be sure? I'm glad the good guy one this time around.

Odds. Course understand I'm the one that needs to come up with some stats. % of robberies resulting in injuries when victim doesn't resist. Will work on it.

callen

mcgruff10 said:

JUST A GIRL said:

mcgruff10 said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

mcgruff10 said:

another one where the good guy ones:
Police say a Norfolk pizza delivery driver turned the tables on a teen robbery suspect.

Officers were called to the 900 block of Galt Street around 9:30 p.m. Sunday for the report of a shooting.

The investigation revealed a 15-year-old tried to rob a Chanello’s pizza delivery driver at gunpoint. But, the driver also had a gun and shot the teen.

Investigators charged the 15-year-old with robbery and use of a firearm in the commission of a felony. He will remain at Sentara Norfolk General Hospital until he recovers from his injuries.

And if this story doesn't show the rest of the civilized world just how FUCKED UP the USA is.....Then I don't know what does.

The 15 year old has a gun and is out committing armed robbery.
The pizza driver is delivering pizza while being armed.
And you think it is good guys VS bad guys.

Its just another pathetic story that shows something needs to be done...NOW

Bad guy had gun good guy thankfully had one too and defended himself. Case closed.

Because this guy had a gun for... Wait for it..: PROTECTION! And it worked. Case closed.

bingo!!!!!!

just a girl i posted these numbers in one of the many gun threads on here lol. check them out, especially bullet one and three.

pretty crazy stats I just found: (https://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp)
* Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18]

* A 1997 U.S. Justice Department survey of 14,285 state prison inmates found that among those inmates who carried a firearm during the offense for which they were sent to jail, 0.7% obtained the firearm at a gun show, 1% at a flea market, 3.8% from a pawn shop, 8.3% from a retail store, 39.2% through an illegal/street source, and 39.6% through family or friends.[94]

* A 1994 survey conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found that Americans use guns to frighten away intruders who are breaking into their homes about 498,000 times per year.[130]

So ~80% purchased with no background check. Goes against argument of further registration.


Though understand you are for registration.

mickeyrat

Something that I think is often over looked here and elsewhere but is absolutely worthy of consideration in the debate.

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/11/9126891/gun-suicide-rate?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=voxdotcom&utm_content=thursday

Cliffy6745

Please take a minute today to remember all the guns that were lost 14 years ago today

http://www.americas1stfreedom.org/articles/2015/9/11/the-gun-that-survived-911/

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PJ_Soul

^^^ Anyone dumb enough to be waving a realistic-looking BB gun around deserves to be shot by the cops. Of course the cops need to assume that's a real gun. I don't get upset about those stories at all.

dudeman

This is worth watching, IMO: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2ef_1441756461

dankind

PJ_Soul said:

^^^ Anyone dumb enough to be waving a realistic-looking BB gun around deserves to be shot by the cops. Of course the cops need to assume that's a real gun. I don't get upset about those stories at all.

What about 12-year-old Tamir Rice?

mcgruff10

Last-12-Exit said:

the gun on the left is the bb gun. I like how they darken the barrel of that one to make it more confusing . but still....don't carry a bb gun and point it at a cop. dumb dumb dumb

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mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

the gun on the left is the bb gun. I like how they darken the barrel of that one to make it more confusing . but still....don't carry a bb gun and point it at a cop. dumb dumb dumb

I think that's the point. People do that intentionally.

mcgruff10

Last-12-Exit said:

mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

the gun on the left is the bb gun. I like how they darken the barrel of that one to make it more confusing . but still....don't carry a bb gun and point it at a cop. dumb dumb dumb

I think that's the point. People do that intentionally.

Yeah totally agree. People are idiots.

Last-12-Exit

Maybe that meme belonged in the police abuse thread. Not that those stories aren't clear cut cases of police abuse, but some of them deal directly with issues such as this.

PJfanwillneverleave1

Speaking of BB guns
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/man-shoots-dead-an-intruder-then-realises-its-his-own-father/ar-AAed9nf?li=AA59G3&ocid=mailsignoutmd

dudeman

dudeman said:

This is worth watching, IMO: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2ef_1441756461

Did anyone watch the video in this link? Thoughts?

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dudeman said:

dudeman said:

This is worth watching, IMO: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2ef_1441756461

Did anyone watch the video in this link? Thoughts?

I turned it off after 23 seconds because he annoyed me and the production was cheesy. Sorry.

PJ_Soul

dankind said:

PJ_Soul said:

^^^ Anyone dumb enough to be waving a realistic-looking BB gun around deserves to be shot by the cops. Of course the cops need to assume that's a real gun. I don't get upset about those stories at all.

What about 12-year-old Tamir Rice?

Hmm. Well, good question - there is certainly an age limit to what I said (nothing is black and white). Though I'm not sure 12 years old is under that limit. I guess that depends on what he knew about the world. Some 12 year olds are a lot more wise than others. A 12 year old could be innocently playing and never even connected a BB gun to a real gun in his own head (maybe he's not too bright). Then again, a 12 year old could also be fully aware that a real-looking BB gun could be used as an intimidation tactic, depending on the kid and what kind of environment he's been in, and would be well aware that cops react to people holding guns. I don't think you need to be very old to know that. Either way, if the cops knew nothing except for the fact that a kid was pointing a gun at them, I wouldn't blame them for shooting him (I do think cops should go for the leg more though... I think they are trained to always use lethal force in those cases, but I'm not convinced that's always the greatest idea).

That said, from what I can tell in that particular case, the cops were irresponsible with their use of firearms and how they responded to the 911 call anyway, failing to assess the situation properly. That kid wasn't waving that gun around or pointing it at anyone when they pulled up and killed him, AND the person who called 911 specifically said that it could be a fake gun and that it seemed to be a kid, which the cops definitely should have taken into account.