America's Gun Violence

RiotZact

mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

RiotZact said:

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.

More folks should be like you it sounds to me like you are super responsible with your weapons ...

Yep, I live in western PA where guns are huge. Almost every family I know, including my own, has guns and not a single one of them is this careful with them. My stepdad leaves his handgun on the kitchen table loaded many times, with my 11 and 12 year old sisters running around, and he's been doing it since they were much younger.

That is an example of an irresponsible gun owner in my opinion.

Totally agree. That s nuts

Yep, most of the people I know are more responsible than that but still not as much as you.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.

I figured as much. Good for you. Your confidence comes from your knowledge and understanding. You're not the person that has people lamenting gun ownership.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

RiotZact said:

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.

More folks should be like you it sounds to me like you are super responsible with your weapons ...

Yep, I live in western PA where guns are huge. Almost every family I know, including my own, has guns and not a single one of them is this careful with them. My stepdad leaves his handgun on the kitchen table loaded many times, with my 11 and 12 year old sisters running around, and he's been doing it since they were much younger.

Thanks for being open with this. Good for you for recognizing the problem versus accepting and defending it.

mcgruff10

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.

I figured as much. Good for you. Your confidence comes from your knowledge and understanding. You're not the person that has people lamenting gun ownership.

2nd time we agreed in twenty four hours!!!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.

I figured as much. Good for you. Your confidence comes from your knowledge and understanding. You're not the person that has people lamenting gun ownership.

2nd time we agreed in twenty four hours!!!

I was a little beer giddy last night. Today my guard is back up. I'm cautious right now thinking it might have just been a blip for us two adversaries. Time will tell... but I'm treading very carefully.

mcgruff10

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.

I figured as much. Good for you. Your confidence comes from your knowledge and understanding. You're not the person that has people lamenting gun ownership.

2nd time we agreed in twenty four hours!!!

I was a little beer giddy last night. Today my guard is back up. I'm cautious right now thinking it might have just been a blip for us two adversaries. Time will tell... but I'm treading very carefully.

I see how it is. Ok truce is over.

mcgruff10

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

Not to mention the fact that it has been proven to INCREASE the chance of gun death for the owner of the gun.

I hope all anti gunners are non smokers and hit the gym three to four times a week!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

Not to mention the fact that it has been proven to INCREASE the chance of gun death for the owner of the gun.

I hope all anti gunners are non smokers and hit the gym three to four times a week!

Non smoker. Work out every day but one. Eat oatmeal every morning except on weekends.

Do drink. No drugs. Never drive when drinking. Never drink to 'great' excess.

Crave Big Macs, but never give in to the cravings knowing how brutal they are (from the plant processing phase to the digestion phase).

I'd be one of the 'anti gunners', but I'm not really. I just wish your country could implement some common sense legislation that, in 20 years, might reflect a profound change in the amount of gun violence your country features per annum.

rgambs

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

Not to mention the fact that it has been proven to INCREASE the chance of gun death for the owner of the gun.

I hope all anti gunners are non smokers and hit the gym three to four times a week!

That's totally a deflection and irrelevant. People don't smoke, eat bad, and laze out of a misguided attempt to protect themselves.

mcgruff10

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

Not to mention the fact that it has been proven to INCREASE the chance of gun death for the owner of the gun.

I hope all anti gunners are non smokers and hit the gym three to four times a week!

Non smoker. Work out every day but one. Eat oatmeal every morning except on weekends.

Do drink. No drugs. Never drive when drinking. Never drink to 'great' excess.

Crave Big Macs, but never give in to the cravings knowing how brutal they are (from the plant processing phase to the digestion phase).

I'd be one of the 'anti gunners', but I'm not really. I just wish your country could implement some common sense legislation that, in 20 years, might reflect a profound change in the amount of gun violence your country features per annum.

Thirty bills I d call you by your first name but you never shared it with me so I ll call you joe.
Joe, wjere are you from?!?!
Mike

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

Not to mention the fact that it has been proven to INCREASE the chance of gun death for the owner of the gun.

I hope all anti gunners are non smokers and hit the gym three to four times a week!

Non smoker. Work out every day but one. Eat oatmeal every morning except on weekends.

Do drink. No drugs. Never drive when drinking. Never drink to 'great' excess.

Crave Big Macs, but never give in to the cravings knowing how brutal they are (from the plant processing phase to the digestion phase).

I'd be one of the 'anti gunners', but I'm not really. I just wish your country could implement some common sense legislation that, in 20 years, might reflect a profound change in the amount of gun violence your country features per annum.

Thirty bills I d call you by your first name but you never shared it with me so I ll call you joe.
Joe, wjere are you from?!?!
Mike

It's Del.

I'm from British Columbia, Canada.

RiotZact

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

RiotZact said:

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.

More folks should be like you it sounds to me like you are super responsible with your weapons ...

Yep, I live in western PA where guns are huge. Almost every family I know, including my own, has guns and not a single one of them is this careful with them. My stepdad leaves his handgun on the kitchen table loaded many times, with my 11 and 12 year old sisters running around, and he's been doing it since they were much younger.

Thanks for being open with this. Good for you for recognizing the problem versus accepting and defending it.

Thanks, this is one of the reasons that I want much stricter gun control. For every mcgruff there is a Riotzact's stepdad. My stepdad has no criminal record, isn't particularly crazy or anything like that. He's all I could ask for in a stepdad and is a great father to my sisters, he just shows very little responsibility when it comes to guns. I have no worry about his hunting rifles upstairs, they are unloaded and in the closet, but his semi automatic handgun that he needs for "protection" is always loaded and in a place it shouldn't be.

But how are we supposed to differentiate people like mcgruff from my stepdad? I hate to let a few assholes ruin something for responsible people but sometimes it's the only way.

rr165892

RiotZact said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

RiotZact said:

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.

More folks should be like you it sounds to me like you are super responsible with your weapons ...

Yep, I live in western PA where guns are huge. Almost every family I know, including my own, has guns and not a single one of them is this careful with them. My stepdad leaves his handgun on the kitchen table loaded many times, with my 11 and 12 year old sisters running around, and he's been doing it since they were much younger.

Thanks for being open with this. Good for you for recognizing the problem versus accepting and defending it.

Thanks, this is one of the reasons that I want much stricter gun control. For every mcgruff there is a Riotzact's stepdad. My stepdad has no criminal record, isn't particularly crazy or anything like that. He's all I could ask for in a stepdad and is a great father to my sisters, he just shows very little responsibility when it comes to guns. I have no worry about his hunting rifles upstairs, they are unloaded and in the closet, but his semi automatic handgun that he needs for "protection" is always loaded and in a place it shouldn't be.

But how are we supposed to differentiate people like mcgruff from my stepdad? I hate to let a few assholes ruin something for responsible people but sometimes it's the only way.

Has he educated your sisters/the household on proper gun safety? When parents show and share with the children how to respect the weapon.What not to do with the weapon it takes the mystery and/or sexiness away from the item.
Much like teaching children about lawn mower safety,or how to handle pool chemical or exposed wires/electrical stuff.

RiotZact

rr165892 said:

RiotZact said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

RiotZact said:

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.

More folks should be like you it sounds to me like you are super responsible with your weapons ...

Yep, I live in western PA where guns are huge. Almost every family I know, including my own, has guns and not a single one of them is this careful with them. My stepdad leaves his handgun on the kitchen table loaded many times, with my 11 and 12 year old sisters running around, and he's been doing it since they were much younger.

Thanks for being open with this. Good for you for recognizing the problem versus accepting and defending it.

Thanks, this is one of the reasons that I want much stricter gun control. For every mcgruff there is a Riotzact's stepdad. My stepdad has no criminal record, isn't particularly crazy or anything like that. He's all I could ask for in a stepdad and is a great father to my sisters, he just shows very little responsibility when it comes to guns. I have no worry about his hunting rifles upstairs, they are unloaded and in the closet, but his semi automatic handgun that he needs for "protection" is always loaded and in a place it shouldn't be.

But how are we supposed to differentiate people like mcgruff from my stepdad? I hate to let a few assholes ruin something for responsible people but sometimes it's the only way.

Has he educated your sisters/the household on proper gun safety? When parents show and share with the children how to respect the weapon.What not to do with the weapon it takes the mystery and/or sexiness away from the item.
Much like teaching children about lawn mower safety,or how to handle pool chemical or exposed wires/electrical stuff.

Yeah he has, anytime I question him about it he says "they know better, hey girls, what happens if you touch my gun?" and they say "we die". But that's still not nearly good enough for me.

rr165892

How old are they?

mcgruff10

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

Not to mention the fact that it has been proven to INCREASE the chance of gun death for the owner of the gun.

I hope all anti gunners are non smokers and hit the gym three to four times a week!

That's totally a deflection and irrelevant. People don't smoke, eat bad, and laze out of a misguided attempt to protect themselves.

Yeah but smoking, eating bad and not exercising increases your chances of dying. So what s the difference? Why do you care if I or any citizen has a gun in their home? It s my home. Just like I could give a rats ass if you smoke.
Thirty bills we could be brothers! I go to the gym five times a week, Don t smoke, drink but no drugs and eat oatmeal everyday too!!!

Last-12-Exit

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

Not to mention the fact that it has been proven to INCREASE the chance of gun death for the owner of the gun.

I hope all anti gunners are non smokers and hit the gym three to four times a week!

That's totally a deflection and irrelevant. People don't smoke, eat bad, and laze out of a misguided attempt to protect themselves.

Yeah but smoking, eating bad and not exercising increases your chances of dying. So what s the difference? Why do you care if I or any citizen has a gun in their home? It s my home. Just like I could give a rats ass if you smoke.
Thirty bills we could be brothers! I go to the gym five times a week, Don t smoke, drink but no drugs and eat oatmeal everyday too!!!

Did you really say whats the difference between smoking and over eating to leaving a hand gun laying around the house with children in it?

callen

So let me ask you gun proponents a question. Hypothetically speaking would you rather have status quo, easy access to guns or if you could wave a magical wand, and all guns gone from private parties?

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

Not to mention the fact that it has been proven to INCREASE the chance of gun death for the owner of the gun.

I hope all anti gunners are non smokers and hit the gym three to four times a week!

That's totally a deflection and irrelevant. People don't smoke, eat bad, and laze out of a misguided attempt to protect themselves.

Yeah but smoking, eating bad and not exercising increases your chances of dying. So what s the difference? Why do you care if I or any citizen has a gun in their home? It s my home. Just like I could give a rats ass if you smoke.
Thirty bills we could be brothers! I go to the gym five times a week, Don t smoke, drink but no drugs and eat oatmeal everyday too!!!

Because I'm in control of what I digest. Proliferation of guns by others affects my safety.

But we'll go round and round.

So what do we do now?

Keep the status quo. Anyone with a pulse easily getting a gun?

Register all guns and holding owners responsible in event they are stolen and used in a crime?

Banning certain guns?

Or do as Australia and get rid of them?

I don't know. Just sucks that humans that say they are civilized just give it all up when it comes to killin.

mcgruff10

Last-12-Exit said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

Not to mention the fact that it has been proven to INCREASE the chance of gun death for the owner of the gun.

I hope all anti gunners are non smokers and hit the gym three to four times a week!

That's totally a deflection and irrelevant. People don't smoke, eat bad, and laze out of a misguided attempt to protect themselves.

Yeah but smoking, eating bad and not exercising increases your chances of dying. So what s the difference? Why do you care if I or any citizen has a gun in their home? It s my home. Just like I could give a rats ass if you smoke.
Thirty bills we could be brothers! I go to the gym five times a week, Don t smoke, drink but no drugs and eat oatmeal everyday too!!!

Did you really say whats the difference between smoking and over eating to leaving a hand gun laying around the house with children in it?

Dude where do you get that from? Did you not read how I secure my firearms?
My point was, how does having a gun in my house directly effect you and why do you care? If you don't want one fine.

callen

mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.

Not to mention the fact that it has been proven to INCREASE the chance of gun death for the owner of the gun.

I hope all anti gunners are non smokers and hit the gym three to four times a week!

That's totally a deflection and irrelevant. People don't smoke, eat bad, and laze out of a misguided attempt to protect themselves.

Yeah but smoking, eating bad and not exercising increases your chances of dying. So what s the difference? Why do you care if I or any citizen has a gun in their home? It s my home. Just like I could give a rats ass if you smoke.
Thirty bills we could be brothers! I go to the gym five times a week, Don t smoke, drink but no drugs and eat oatmeal everyday too!!!

Did you really say whats the difference between smoking and over eating to leaving a hand gun laying around the house with children in it?

Dude where do you get that from? Did you not read how I secure my firearms?
My point was, how does having a gun in my house directly effect you and why do you care? If you don't want one fine.

Unfortunately we have to put rules in place for the average Joe. And they don't secure their guns. How the criminals get their guns. Stolen.